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Public Agent CP Navy Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2007.10.24 05:31:00 - [1] CVA and UK were created long ago to act as a matched pair of role players. CVA were to be the Amar slavers while UK were to be Minmatar terrorist slaves. Of COURSE they are real-life friends. Fun fun fun in Providence. This went on for a long time... till CVA took Unity. There WAS a real falling out when Unity fell. UK's main offence was cooperating with non-role players. Hmm. But still, I would think many ties remain. The RL friends must still be many. Now lets look at ENH. For one, it is full of ex-UK. For another, over 6 months of seiging and thousands of camp hours... they killed ONE CVA. They killed hundreds of non-role players. By their own account they were not paid for this service: A service to CVA. So ENH is acting NOT AS though they are a real entity. This is in VIOLATION of role playing. CVA, UK and ENH want non-role-players out of Providence. They want their playground. I have news for them. We are ALL interested in the overall arc of the story. We do not need to enter into RP convos all the time. It is the responsibility of RP players to bring us all INTO their stories. You CANNOT be isolated. I'm tired of all of this. This particular group of RP need a lesson... kill em all: CVA, UK, ENH Public Agent
Italian Wedding Soup Of The Day	Posted - 2007.10.24 05:35:00 - [2] Wait, what?
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.24 05:36:00 - [3] You're seriously bringing a roleplay violation to CAOD? Do you need some special form of clothing to carry around balls that big? Prepare your flameproof suit, and once you've learned better, take it to the proper forum (hint: look for the word "summit"). --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.10.24 05:37:00 - [4] Bet them 500mil ISK they can't succeed, Pilk. I dare you to.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 05:38:00 - [5] Edited by: Pezzle on 24/10/2007 05:38:17 Whatever your grievance, please stop. What you are saying is simply not accurate. Throwing this kind of material around the forums will not help whatever cause it is you have. In fact, posting it here might actually be harmful.
icarus braciolini Omen Incorporated CODE RED ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.10.24 05:39:00 - [6] bump for epic failure
Public Agent CP Navy Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2007.10.24 05:39:00 - [7] Edited by: Public Agent on 24/10/2007 05:40:33 Originally by: Pilk You're seriously bringing a roleplay violation to CAOD? Do you need some special form of clothing to carry around balls that big? Prepare your flameproof suit, and once you've learned better, take it to the proper forum (hint: look for the word "summit"). --P I posted in RP with great respect to the role players... this is a NON role playing forum and the issue needs to be here. RP can't talk about the game. We want to talk about the game for the rest of us. PA
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:01:00 - [8] huh? Drugs aren't good for you, ok?
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:24:00 - [9] "Buhu I'm a CVA pet that got ganked by ENH, why are they not just shooting ze Amarrians?" That's my guess at any rate. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
Sul Condbax Open Season	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:32:00 - [10] I thought Slammers were thrown out of Providence - yet you're still smacking
Adril Alatar Minmatar Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Mangold Drugs aren't good for you, ok? QFT!
barge boy Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2007.10.24 07:59:00 - [12] uuhhhh.... yep this is the right place for this post we have been just making sure there are people awake now since we have evacuated our material , we have gone on to a new phase called " oh look over there!!!!" funny tho deny? why? its not true right? so why bother denying if its not true? but , then again...lol , it was the combined efforts of star fraction , CVA , UK , and ENH that was keeping the pressure on the Slammers for the past 5 months. are we crying?? Oh hell no!!! we are damn proud of the fact to remove us the combined AZA was needed to be created.JUST to remove us. Do we link it to BoB? BoB would definetly like to have the tactical advantage of flying from behind into IAC space and not be discovered . and since we held that most vital piece of providence clean (as you can tell , currently that space is pirate free only due to our diligence) ENH has moved on , since they have fulfilled CVA"s purpose; to the other pipe, curently removing severance . Sylph is next . since they do threaten CVA and UK"s interests. of course Rogerano might get mad for exposing all of this , i should publish his letter to Alois.........tch tch tch huh , i know im missing someone , but cant remmemmber ... oh well ,in the words of a man far more eloquent then meself....."there has never been that so many owe so much to so few......" Winston , dude ; you'd love our spirit , and our panache , you are with us every day , everytime we step into our pods; we think of your ability to give us the strength to fight these most impossible odds , and yet still push the limit ever so more.... Amen , now praise Alois and pass the ammo....
Xee Gay	Posted - 2007.10.24 08:20:00 - [13] Edited by: Xee ** on 24/10/2007 08:20:15* Waaay before Unity fallen, CVA took Kerishal Defiance station in QR with the help of external NON-rplayers NOT involved in the matter. They simply put aside RP and stuff ad decided to pursue greed and sovereignity like any other alliance in EVE. So it's CVA that started the mess.
Jazzadanub	Posted - 2007.10.24 08:24:00 - [14] Please Please Please publish this 'so called' letter. I'm sure we'll have a good old laugh Quick can a CVA Roleplayer get his ass into this thread and come clean with the truth about us actually being your pet...lolzr!!!! Oh KB stats ENH VS CVA : ENH KB Feel free to look at that Pubic Agent, then tell us we arent pew pewing CVA, you'll notice that they offer a much harder challenge then anything put up by SR
Xenea Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 08:33:00 - [15]
barge boy Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2007.10.24 08:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Jazzadanub Please Please Please publish this 'so called' letter. I'm sure we'll have a good old laugh Quick can a CVA Roleplayer get his ass into this thread and come clean with the truth about us actually being your pet...lolzr!!!! Oh KB stats ENH VS CVA : ENH KB Feel free to look at that Pubic Agent, then tell us we arent pew pewing CVA, you'll notice that they offer a much harder challenge then anything put up by SR wow , i like the way you pad the KB...theres a nice mix of blackguard and enh kills...nice... so thats how its done?? kewl , i gotta remmembr that one
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.10.24 08:54:00 - [17] Well, I'm amused ---- All roads lead to Catch
Jazzadanub Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.10.24 08:54:00 - [18] Edited by: Jazzadanub on 24/10/2007 08:54:31 Originally by: barge boy wow , i like the way you pad the KB...theres a nice mix of blackguard and enh kills...nice... so thats how its done?? kewl , i gotta remember that one Wow, I like the way that SR has got the sads that they had to leave Provi....you were quite welcome to stay, and face the pew pew.....You don't actually think that if CVA really wanted your space you would have been able to hold it...come on CVA would have taken it with ease...maybe they have taken it over cause they intend to hold it a bit better then you guys could ever dream. Now please, don't hold us in suspense a minute longer, show us this damning evidence so that for once ENH/CVA & UK can have a laugh at your alliance's expense yet again
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.24 08:54:00 - [19] BLA BLA BLA BLA die already "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Biosman Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.10.24 09:00:00 - [20] fish barrel shotgun ENH KB
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.10.24 09:13:00 - [21] Originally by: barge boy uuhhhh.... its not true right? so why bother denying if its not true? lol, I love the logic there. San Matari Official forums
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.24 09:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Biosman fish barrel shotgun ENH KB Omg Lossboard. Paradox V2.0 is recruiting!
Morden Nok Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 09:23:00 - [23] Originally by: Ituralde "Buhu I'm a CVA pet that got ganked by ENH, why are they not just shooting ze Amarrians?" That's my guess at any rate. Slammers were/are not CVA friendlies, allies or pets. They were neutral entity holding space in Providence that CVA had set to neutral months ago following certain incidents. This was public fact and made the AzA's announcement about targeting them a source of mirth to all except Slammers. Of course ENH had been killing Slammers for long time at that point and I have to say Slammers lasted far longer than I ever thought they would. And yes, Kari pipe is now far more secure than it ever was under Slammers control. Oh and ENH are definetely shooting us. And we're shooting them. ENH killboard is both public and accurate so if anyone has any real doubts about it they can just go there and check it out themselves.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 09:59:00 - [24] For those interested, I have taken the liberty to complie a list of publicly known IGS facts regarding the Providence fighting so far: 1) CVA are a bunch of incompetents who can only maintain their life in Providence by using their allies (known as "pets" to some) to fight the battles for them. 2) CVA allies (still known as "pets" to some) are a bunch of incompetents who can only maintain their life in Providence by using CVA to fight the battles for them. 3) CVA are directly responsible for the demise of Slammer Republic's hold in Providence as they did not interfere in a war between two entities who both preferred to be independant of CVA. 4) CVA is in fact a covert ally of Revan Neferis in her fight to overthrow the current regime in Providence. This regime is led and controlled by: CVA. 5) CVA placing POS in unclaimed parts of Providence works in direct contrast to the CVA purpose of securing Providence for the empire. 6) Ushra Khan are CVA pets - or is it the other way round? Confused? Don't worry. You're not alone. Q: How many Amarr does it take to change a light bulb? A: None, we have Minnies to do the menial chores.
Amalas Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:24:00 - [25] Slammers, you guys are a complete joke! There was no big conspiracy against you, your diplomats just managed to **** off everybody they came into contact with!
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Jazzadanub Edited by: Jazzadanub on 24/10/2007 08:43:27 Quick can a CVA Roleplayer get his ass into this thread and come clean with the truth about us actually being your pet...lolzr!!!! Oh KB stats ENH VS CVA : ENH KB Your link only shows that there was only 875 incidents during our "strategic alliance" ... dam standings always messed up
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:47:00 - [27] Originally by: Public Agent Edited by: Public Agent on 24/10/2007 05:44:55 CVA and UK were created long ago to act as a matched pair of role players. CVA were to be the Amar slavers while UK were to be Minmatar terrorist slaves. Of COURSE they are real-life friends. Fun fun fun in Providence. This went on for a long time... till CVA took Unity. There WAS a real falling out when Unity fell. UK's main offence was cooperating with non-role players. Hmm. But still, I would think many ties remain. The RL friends must still be many. Now lets look at ENH. For one, it is full of ex-UK. For another, over 6 months of seiging and thousands of camp hours... they killed ONE CVA. They killed hundreds of non-role players. By their own account they were not paid for this service: A service to CVA. So ENH is acting NOT AS though they are a real entity. This is in VIOLATION of role playing. CVA, UK and ENH want non-role-players out of Providence. They want their playground. I have news for them. We are ALL interested in the overall arc of the story. We do not need to enter into RP convos all the time. It is the responsibility of RP players to bring us all INTO their stories. You CANNOT be isolated. I'm tired of all of this. This particular group of RP need a lesson... kill em all: CVA, UK, ENH Public Agent And I thought U'K was bitter in defeat Now Recruiting
Chungito Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Amalas Slammers, you guys are a complete joke! Then they are a joke who held on to space longer than us, with fewer allies. As it seems Slammer's truly believe U'k and CVA are opperating on out of character terms to have them removed from their space, I'll address this seriously, without trying to laugh in your face as others in this thread have. I can't put this anymore simply: we are not working with CVA.
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:00:00 - [29] Comedy gold. Originally by: Public Agent CVA and UK were created long ago to act as a matched pair of role players. Last time i checked CVA outnumbered us (not counting pets) 2:1 by pilots and 37:1 by veterancy, 100:0 by space claimed at least today, there is nothing that "matches" Originally by: Public Agent CVA were to be the Amar slavers while UK were to be Minmatar terrorist slaves. a) We are free pilots, not slaves. (how could slaves do raids in t2 ships, use capital fleets, and claim more than a constellation for yrs? b) we are no terrorists:) thats what THEY name us. c) "minmatar" was partially correct, we always had a small number or other races in our ranks. Originally by: Public Agent Of COURSE they are real-life friends. Fun fun fun in Providence. This went on for a long time... till CVA took Unity. of course.. yeah.. oO? To honor the truth some of our veterans had some kind of a friendly ooc wire to "some" of ther veterans we talk about 0,2% of people or less. the friendlyness officially ended with the attack on unity using third party OOC - allies without need (they could easily have done it alone imo) still we do not support low style betrayal - insider information from within the other entity , such as offlining towers or other ways of infiltration. call it a sentimental basic level of honor in memory of the good old times Originally by: Public Agent There WAS a real falling out when Unity fell. UK's main offence was cooperating with non-role players. Hmm. You dont even get that right. Youre a laugh. CVA called in severance who are according to own admittance not interested into roleplay. Severance help was massive - at one time their cap ship count exceeded CVA's. UNITY is bitter about that fact, and about other stuff that has been chewed in caod and everywhere else to hell and back. This bitterness is not just a show unfortunately it is some kind of a wound that would eliminate a large deal of OOC friendly behaviour. There is some respect left amongst individuals - but also the exact opposite amongst other individuals. it ranges from blind ooc hate to - lets get over it, they did what they had to do Originally by: Public Agent Now lets look at ENH. For one, it is full of ex-UK. For another, over 6 months of seiging and thousands of camp hours... they killed ONE CVA. They killed hundreds of non-role players. By their own account they were not paid for this service: A service to CVA. there are some UK in it, and some UK are also in other more or less famous groups and alliances. This is part of normal fluktuation. Lucky that they decided to remain in the area. what did they kill, non roleplayers? well yeah - they kill just everything thats not blue to them. i am sure CVA is on their menu, but it makes sense to sort out the minor distractions first. (no offense slammers.. but..) Originally by: Public Agent So ENH is acting NOT AS though they are a real entity. This is in VIOLATION of role playing. CVA, UK and ENH want non-role-players out of Providence. They want their playground. So a non roleplayer is explaining on CAOD , a non roleplayer forum, what would be a violation to roleplay? Thank you for the lesson master. We all want our playground, dont we? If slammers would have sticked to us, as we sticked to them - if BOS would have sticked to us as we sticked to them... maybe then you would still have your piece of the space. Originally by: Public Agent I have news for them. We are ALL interested in the overall arc of the story. We do not need to enter into RP convos all the time. It is the responsibility of RP players to bring us all INTO their stories. You CANNOT be isolated. ..if a non RPer joins the roleplay, or not is really not within our powers. You did so by posting on summit, it was in ur powers to make a clown of yourself.
Chungito Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Eddie Gordo And I thought U'K was bitter in defeat You know what it feels like to be in their place, and your still laughing? But your right, being bitter after defeat is something we know alot about.
Chungito Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:14:00 - [31] Edited by: Chungito on 24/10/2007 11:37:00 Originally by: zoolkhan Comedy gold. What's funny is that your close to turning this into another U'K whine thread about how we lost UNITY station due blobbage and pos spamming. You don't see the irony in you laughing at slammers for thinking they lost their space due to an ooc alliance while we cried endlessly about the same thing from cva and their allies? To put it in your words from this thread: "lets get over it." EDIT: Aside from being perplexed why you would mention CVA outnumbering us and using non-roleplay allies against us, I agree with your post, Zool.
Baron vonDoom	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:10:00 - [32] Just one important point that's being missed here I would like to point out: ENH never has been and never will be an RPing corp. We never RP'd with CVA, UK, SR, or anyone else. So this argument about RPers taking over provi and not letting anyone else play is silly and moot.
Chungito Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:18:00 - [33] My thoughts exactly, Baron, but I didn't want to put words in ENH's mouths.
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.24 13:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Chungito My thoughts exactly, Baron, but I didn't want to put words in ENH's mouths. dont speak to that amarr chungito
Chungito Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.24 13:03:00 - [35] D'oh. /Chungito goes to blow up an Amarrian school bus to make up for it.
Lowanaera Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 13:10:00 - [36] Edited by: Lowanaera on 24/10/2007 13:11:50 I can confirm that all this is true. Yes, exactly as Slammers has been ranting about for some time and sending eve-mails about to every single one of our allies to warn them of, CVA, U'K, and ENH are in fact allies and/or alts. We have been working together since the start of our entry into Providence, and the bloody sieges of QR and 9UY were just because we got bored and decided to throw away billions in ISK. All the forum bitterness and discussion following those sieges has just been a very elaborate cover, we're that hardcore. Also, the nightly raids ENH conducted against CVA for a while were really just a single person multi-boxing both gangs against each other, he's kind of nuts, but lots of fun to have around. But it goes much deeper than that. You see, we're not just alts/allies of each other, we're all BoB/MC alts. Aralis is really SirMolle. Maggot is really Seleene. The reason Providence has never been seriously invaded despite MC helping U'K in the past and BoB attacking a few key systems to secure their cynojam network is not because Providence is horrible worthless space that nobody but a few RPers and loonies wants, it's because this is the sandbox playground that all of BoB and MC have alts in to take a break from the major 0.0 wars. We've just been fighting to keep BoB out of their cyno network systems to keep us on our toes on both our accounts, Molle feels we're aren't getting enough action. Now you have the truth. Now you can see it all for the sham it really is. Sorry, I could not live with the burden of this awful truth any longer!
Cythrawl Caldari Central Defiance	Posted - 2007.10.24 13:43:00 - [37] Far as I know, when U'K first ran into ENH in any numbers, they were hostiles. (seeing as they were in d2 at the time and would come down to provi for some pvp away from the actual war front in the north) Then again, what would I know seeing as we were only in U'K for about 3 months, and in U'K space for 6. Epic trollage from someone with no idea of the past. .:. Originally by: Krazy Bitsch Originally by: Virtuality In before the first troll. i do believe you are too late for this....
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.24 14:18:00 - [38] conspiracy of the year award?
Eshestun Caldari The Mavericks Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:03:00 - [39] "And I thought U'K was bitter in defeat" What does a minmi do when he gets turfed? Grab a Hac gang and do guerrilla attacks. What does a slammer do when he gets turfed? Grab a gang and go flame the forums. C'mon slammers :S you had the possibility to step away from this looking half intelligent, why ruin it now
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:44:00 - [40] Posting in yet another pointless thread about Providence lest anyone forgets the might of the ABYSS Alliance... Yes...I admit it, secretly I've been dropping mind controlling drugs in Aralis' coffee for 2 years... Muhahahar for the puppet masters... Err... I mean Muppet = ME! Bye bye Slammers. I never got to know you much, but from the forum exploits of Alois and Public Agent I'm not too sorry about that. Rock on Providence... - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Drykor Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Lowanaera Edited by: Lowanaera on 24/10/2007 13:11:50 I can confirm that all this is true. Yes, exactly as Slammers has been ranting about for some time and sending eve-mails about to every single one of our allies to warn them of, CVA, U'K, and ENH are in fact allies and/or alts. We have been working together since the start of our entry into Providence, and the bloody sieges of QR and 9UY were just because we got bored and decided to throw away billions in ISK. All the forum bitterness and discussion following those sieges has just been a very elaborate cover, we're that hardcore. Also, the nightly raids ENH conducted against CVA for a while were really just a single person multi-boxing both gangs against each other, he's kind of nuts, but lots of fun to have around. But it goes much deeper than that. You see, we're not just alts/allies of each other, we're all BoB/MC alts. Aralis is really SirMolle. Maggot is really Seleene. The reason Providence has never been seriously invaded despite MC helping U'K in the past and BoB attacking a few key systems to secure their cynojam network is not because Providence is horrible worthless space that nobody but a few RPers and loonies wants, it's because this is the sandbox playground that all of BoB and MC have alts in to take a break from the major 0.0 wars. We've just been fighting to keep BoB out of their cyno network systems to keep us on our toes on both our accounts, Molle feels we're aren't getting enough action. Now you have the truth. Now you can see it all for the sham it really is. Sorry, I could not live with the burden of this awful truth any longer! I was gonna say something but I'm not gonna be able to top this ^^
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:29:00 - [42] That is just because you are Lowa's alt. Or vice versa. All part of the plot. Amarr Mineral Index
Drykor Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:32:00 - [43] Hah, to think that I would have a Minmatar alt named Drykor! Oh sorry used the wrong account
Lowanaera Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:21:00 - [44] Hah, to think that I would have a Minmatar alt named Drykor!
Calypso's Wrath Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:21:00 - [45] You guys do realize that all these slammers posts are Alois right? Alois, Instead of blaming everyone else for slammers going downà They should be blaming you and your smack talking. Its why you guys get into so much trouble. (that and NemisisisisisisÆs poor poor poor use of the written word.
Ugleb Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:40:00 - [46] Originally by: Public Agent Edited by: Public Agent on 24/10/2007 05:44:55 CVA and UK were created long ago to act as a matched pair of role players. CVA were to be the Amar slavers while UK were to be Minmatar terrorist slaves. Of COURSE they are real-life friends. Fun fun fun in Providence. This went on for a long time... till CVA took Unity. There WAS a real falling out when Unity fell. UK's main offence was cooperating with non-role players. Hmm. But still, I would think many ties remain. The RL friends must still be many. Now lets look at ENH. For one, it is full of ex-UK. For another, over 6 months of seiging and thousands of camp hours... they killed ONE CVA. They killed hundreds of non-role players. By their own account they were not paid for this service: A service to CVA. So ENH is acting NOT AS though they are a real entity. This is in VIOLATION of role playing. CVA, UK and ENH want non-role-players out of Providence. They want their playground. I have news for them. We are ALL interested in the overall arc of the story. We do not need to enter into RP convos all the time. It is the responsibility of RP players to bring us all INTO their stories. You CANNOT be isolated. I'm tired of all of this. This particular group of RP need a lesson... kill em all: CVA, UK, ENH Public Agent Take a seat folks, I'm replying to a CAOD thread with a history lesson. It's even OOC. Some of you might like to frame this as it doesn't happen often. CAOD makes a vein on the side of my head throb. CVA and UK were created long ago. Well we were both founded by two different sets of RP'ers and our RP goals happened to be opposites. There was no actual collaboration, it just happened. Being like-minded people playing for something other than an epeen extension we of course have much in common as players, so there was mutual respect. To say we were all friends is pushing it, I for one haven't met any of the other side in person other than one bloke from Aegis Milita at last years fan fest. There was no plan to it beyond both groups basing their approach to the game on EVE's prime fiction. There was one thing that might lead to your view of us, and that is the fabled 'rules of engagement' between the two groups. This was not a 'treaty' or 'deal', it has no clauss and isn't written down anywhere. It was really a matter of sportsmanship where both groups apply rules to themselves. We do not use spies against each other (in fact ushra doesn't use spies full stop), we try not to use chessy game mechanics agains each other such as log in traps etc. It's basic fair play stuff. The approach to the game (for UK, I'll let CVA speak for themselves) was that RP should come first ahead of killboards or other ingame success. This is of course all very vague and subjective, despite the opinions of many our fighting has always been real and fluid, no less so than the Alliance/Coalition stuff that usually dominates CAOD. It just had sportsmanship as a central feature, so certain things aren't done, and that stuff is pretty much all 'meta gaming' anyway so doesn't affect real PVP. The change was not Unity Station, it was Karishal's Defiance, now called Karishal's Folly. This was the first of our two stations to fall. The issue was not that CVA attacked it, CVA long before made it public that their goal was to rule Providence. Our issue was the CVA's use of allies whom we had never even heard of to secure their victory. The battle was extremely one-sided (for more reasons than blobbage I admit) and short. Towers went up, sov flipped on cue, station fell, end of story. We were not so upset over the loss of the station as of the way it was done. Sev3rance were the key figure in this as we had never heard of them until their dreads cyno'ed in to hit our towers.
Ugleb Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:41:00 - [47] Sev is/was not an RP group, so the only credible explanation from our point of view for their involvement was to secure the victory. This hurt, and breaks the spirit of that fabled ROE of sportsmanship. The battle for Unity Station took place later, only this time we knew what was coming. Now we come to our æmain offenceÆ you refer to of co-operating with non-rpÆers. Two things to consider here. Firstly, every single one of our allies today approached us. We asked none of them to sign on with us, they all offered to do so. Secondly, we turned several of them down on more than one occasion prior to KarishalÆs. ENH were one such group. Following KarishalÆs we knew that Unity Station was facing attack and we knew the same forces would come again and again we wouldnÆt stand a snowflake in hells chance against it. We also looked at our then-allies in Providence and knew that most were neutral in our war and would not help. So we accepted the other offers of help and assembled a rogues gallery of resistance to CVA and itÆs allies. Our Provi-allies (neutral in the RP war) turned on us despite the fact we left them as neutral and imposed restrictions on our new allies to protect the neutrals around us. After Unity fell a number of our pilots joined ENH. Before Unity fell I donÆt think that any former Ushra were in ENH. ENH went to work in the Kari pipe against Slammers while Ushra operated primarily in the G-5 and KBP pipes. UshraÆs goal today has been publicly stated many times and I shall again explain it. Following the betrayal (IC and OOC in most cases) of alliances we had actively supported in the past turning against us we declared Providence to be an NBSI zone for our pilots and took the gloves off our allies. We attack anyone in Providence who is not actively attacking the CVA or its allies in Providence. Many like Sev3rance, Cold Steel Alliance, Sylph, and at one time Slammers are not themselves RP groups. From an RPÆers perspective, their status as an RP organisation is irrelevant. They are allied to my RP enemy and supporting him. That is why we are attacking them and that is why we want them out of Providence. To remove their support of our greatest enemy. Regardless of whether or not we are on good terms with CVA out of game (and at present we as a group are not) the CVA still proclaims itself to hold to an RP objective. That objective is the opposite of our own, therefore we attack. Should the CVA renounce slavery I imagine our work would be done and weÆd move on. Who knows. Throughout it all Ushra has kept our RP goals and heritage in mind. We attack everyone in Providence because it is what our RP demands we do, if you are being targeted by an UshraÆKhan pilot it is because you have made yourself a target of our RP. That makes you involved in our RP, what you do next in response is your own choice to roleplay back. We are not driving out non-rpÆers, we are involving them. The simple fact I have taken the time to reply to you should be an indication of that. Everyone should RP and everyone can, the only thing stopping you is in fact you. Take up our policies on IGS, in character, and we shall respond, in character. Providence is not the RP playground of EVE, the whole damn map is. So involve yourself already.
LadyAmarus	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:34:00 - [48] seriously slammers , pls get me some of that stuf. you guy's are tripping so hard , i really wanna get on that ride. ffs don't slammers have anything better to do??
xXHeRoInERaBBiTXx Minmatar Canadia Security Institute	Posted - 2007.10.24 19:00:00 - [49] slammers.... you folks did this to yourself... the forces that attacked you didnt kill you.... they just handed you the gun whilst you shot yourself For All that has been said and done, you will suffer...
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.24 19:09:00 - [50] Im a freedomfighter, and wear a bandana, in RL. ----------------------------------------------
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.10.24 19:19:00 - [51] Originally by: Gaius Kador Im a freedomfighter, and wear a bandana, in RL. Free the whales o/
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.10.24 19:41:00 - [52] Heh, I'll try to post the Slammer's Republic Campaign AAR later today. Seems like the only fitting reply.
Blafbeest Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.24 19:44:00 - [53] Originally by: zoolkhan Originally by: Chungito My thoughts exactly, Baron, but I didn't want to put words in ENH's mouths. dont speak to that amarr chungito I'm gonna come down to kbp7 this weekend and kick the living crap out of you, and all your cloaking buddies, Karn included. Then I will go and kick the **** out of those -7- and CVA candy asses and all this in a t2 fitted Bantam. How about that zoo, you blithering idiot?
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 20:17:00 - [54] This thread is epic failure.
Graff Spee Amarr The Phoenix Rising	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:38:00 - [55] This thread is entertaining if only to see people whine about nothing. A role player/alliabnce can be as much or as little into RP as they want. To complain outside of the roleplay forums would be "violating Roleplay rules" wouldn't it? People shouldn't post in CAOD thinking they are actually going to get some good PR out of it.
Didier Oriol Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:10:00 - [56] /me Points this Way
Commodore Atari The Black Cartel	Posted - 2007.10.25 00:05:00 - [57] Edited by: Commodore Atari on 25/10/2007 00:06:20 Originally by: Blafbeest Originally by: zoolkhan Originally by: Chungito My thoughts exactly, Baron, but I didn't want to put words in ENH's mouths. dont speak to that amarr chungito I'm gonna come down to kbp7 this weekend and kick the living crap out of you, and all your cloaking buddies, Karn included. Then I will go and kick the **** out of those -7- and CVA candy asses and all this in a t2 fitted Bantam. How about that zoo, you blithering idiot? Get out of my previous home....KBP7 ftw, IO Forever lol btw, I'm kind of insulted, not really, that IO had no honorable mention from UK...we only held those systems for over a year.
Varheg Xan The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.10.25 03:33:00 - [58] I'm seriously loving the whole Providence / Catch sub-plots and drama bombs that are going on in CAOD. Please keep reporting on them. =VX= (ex-Providence resident)
Gaogan Gallente Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.10.25 04:58:00 - [59] Wow... this conspiracy theory is hilariously stupid. The OP really should seek professional help. Oh, and Gallente > both Amarr and Minmatar... and Caldari ;)
Jin So Gallente Red Mercury Incorporated The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.10.25 05:03:00 - [60] Wow, now this is interesting, I may need to pay attention to this. IO Forever
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.10.25 05:37:00 - [61] As anyone made a "like a bisexual" joke yet?
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:27:00 - [62] Originally by: Ugleb Sev is/was not an RP group, so the only credible explanation from our point of view for their involvement was to secure the victory. This hurt, and breaks the spirit of that fabled ROE of sportsmanship. The battle for Unity Station took place later, only this time we knew what was coming. Now we come to our æmain offenceÆ you refer to of co-operating with non-rpÆers. Two things to consider here. Firstly, every single one of our allies today approached us. We asked none of them to sign on with us, they all offered to do so. Secondly, we turned several of them down on more than one occasion prior to KarishalÆs. ENH were one such group. Just for the record, before myself and my corp joined Sev were were neutral entities living on the CVA side of providence. When the push for Karshial's started to happen alot of neutrals wanted to get in on the fight and approached CVA. This included Severance. CVA never asked anyone for help but they had plenty of petitioners requesting to be added to their groups. Some of this stemmed from various pirate or KOS groups that assumed or declared affiliation with UK but weren't really accepted by you guys. Much of it was a general feeling of association with CVA and dislike for UK in general (I imagine you had this on your side of Provi as well). Needless to say it wasn't always easy to get involved as we were often added as an afterthought. Despite being involved in every major event during the conquering of Provi including the siege of the Folly and Unity station we were never contacted by CVA. Getting intel on when something was going down was mind-wracking although it makes sense for security reasons. While many of the alliances like Severance or Cold Steel are not officially RP alliances they hold a great deal of RP members. It is alot easier to RP an Amarr slaver or a Minnie terrorist and stand out than it is to RP a Caldari cutthroat businessman or lewd Gallente courtesan.
pershphanie Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:31:00 - [63] Originally by: Public Agent CVA and UK were created long ago to act as a matched pair of role players. CVA were to be the Amar slavers while UK were to be Minmatar terrorist slaves. /roleplays Paris Hilton. That's Hot ------>PҼſϚի<------
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.25 09:00:00 - [64] Originally by: Blafbeest Originally by: zoolkhan Originally by: Chungito My thoughts exactly, Baron, but I didn't want to put words in ENH's mouths. dont speak to that amarr chungito I'm gonna come down to kbp7 this weekend and kick the living crap out of you, and all your cloaking buddies, Karn included. Then I will go and kick the **** out of those -7- and CVA candy asses and all this in a t2 fitted Bantam. How about that zoo, you blithering idiot? Sound pretty cool, may i suggest to start with CVA first? So myself and my cloaking buddies can see it first hand and learn from it? :o) .oO(i love caod, may the mods continue their winter hibernation)
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.25 09:05:00 - [65] Originally by: Commodore Atari btw, I'm kind of insulted, not really, that IO had no honorable mention from UK...we only held those systems for over a year. Yeah. true. for a while you have been real cool neigbours, also a bit instable due to some RL facts mainly. Then at a point in time CVA has pushed you out and there is no hard feelings about that. You held the place quiet a while. respect where it is due.
Emrod Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.25 10:46:00 - [66] Originally by: Italian Wedding Wait, what? this. COAD is for morons.......hey...wait a minute 0o !!!
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 11:40:00 - [67] CVA = ex - Pheonix Fleet TDZK yo! eve w/o graphix
Hardin Amarr Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2007.10.25 13:57:00 - [68] I have been away from EVE due to a couple of RL holidays over the past month and as a response have not been able to keep up to date with the unusual meanderings of CAOD. A FEW PROVIDENCE FACTS 1) CVA and Ushra'khan don't work together 2) CVA and Enh/AzA don't work together 3) Contrary to popular opinion not everyone who holds space in Providence is: a) A CVA 'holder' or b) Under our protection 4) Slammers were not a CVA Holder nor were they under our protection. Other groups in Providence have through their actions proved 'worthy'* and do indeed qualify as 'Holders' and receive our assistance as and when necessary. A prime example of this is Paxton. 5) Slammers did help CVA in the siege of 9UY - for their own reasons - primarily because UK had recruited enemies such as Enh / Evoke / BUM and others in their effort to hold onto the station. 6) Because CVA has always allowed 'neutral' entities to operate in Providence (in the same way that neutrals can operate in Amarr space) we recognised Slammers claim on their part of Providence and indeed for a short period assisted them to maintain that claim. 7) Regular displays of incompetence, lack of communication and downright stupidity from Slammers led to an internal CVA decision to withdraw CVA protection from Slammers (which had never been officially provided at any rate). This preceeded the AzA campaign and happened many months ago. 8) While it may be cold hearted our view was that we were not going to put our assets on the line for Slammers when they demonstrated no appreciable diplomatic or PvP capabilities. The view was that if Slammers wanted to hold on to a chunk of Providence then they would have to do so on their own. 9) When AzA decided to launch its campaign on Slammers we were unconcerned. Our HONEST opinion was that Slammers could: a) Successfully hold onto their space - in which case good luck to them. or b) Lose their space to our enemies. While this on the face of it looks like a stupid option it would give CVA the freedom to turf the enemies out and reclaim those systems properly. This would allow us to provide the level of security and protection that is provided elsewhere in Providence, which we could not implement properly while Slammers held Sov and simply didn't cooperate with us at a worthwhile level. While the CVA is by no means fans of Enh/UK/AzA I have to admit internally we were more than happy to see them push Slammers out. Slammers had proved themselves incapable, incoherent and unworthy of our assistance and we were more than happy to see them replaced by enemies who we could 'legitimately' remove and replace. So from our viewpoint AzA/Enh/UK have actually done us a favour whether they wanted to or not... I suppose taken in that context you could say that we were actually working together - even if that was by no means an agreed or planned consequence. 'Worthy' does not = rent. Worthy means playing an active role in Providence vs those who would seek to engender chaos in the area. Being active and 'worthy' involves the regular and neighbourly sharing of information, intelligence, and in general working with both CVA and other Holders to protect their space and keep the spacelanes clear for neutral and friendly traffic. Good examples of the worthy are Sylph, Paxton, s3verance, Cold Steel, Aegis Militia. ------------------------------ snip* Don't discuss moderation. -Rauth
LastTraitorStanding Amarr The Imperial Assassins	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:42:00 - [69] PA, I respect you man. But you're getting into "tinfoil hat" territory. Bottom line: you got spanked and you had to leave. Move on. Don't burn the natives on the way out. CVA and UK will continue to do their thing until the end of time. Sure Slammers' didn't get the support from CVA that they wanted. But for the way CVA appears to have been treated for not providing support in Slammers' sov systems I don't blame them. Chalk it up to "**** happens." Get on with life. You guys will find a new territory and settle it. It may take time but everything will be alright. No need to light every bridge you cross on the way out. -------------------------------- Semper ubi sub ubi
Camar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:33:00 - [70] Even though I hate it, or no wait, I don't anymore since a few days ago () <Insert what Hardin just said> MINMATART STRIPS! VIKING LOST...
Occasus Vim Minmatar Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.10.26 06:44:00 - [71] Originally by: Hardin 5) Slammers did help CVA in the siege of 9UY - for their own reasons - primarily because UK had recruited enemies such as Enh / Evoke / BUM and others in their effort to hold onto the station. For the sake of historical accuracy, Slammers were the first to turn on Ushra'Khan, and this took place before Unity station was in any way under attack. This was due to the NAP with ENH. Slammers took sovereignty of BR-, at the time a U'K system, and then only after this action did they come to the diplomatic table with U'K, not with an intent to discuss their grievance, but with a threat: Either allow us to keep the sovereignty we have taken from you as compensation for your new non-aggression pact with ENH, or we will join with CVA in kicking you out of Providence. Which brings us to your seventh and eighth points: Quote: 7) Regular displays of incompetence, lack of communication and downright stupidity from Slammers led to an internal CVA decision to withdraw CVA protection from Slammers (which had never been officially provided at any rate). This preceeded the AzA campaign and happened many months ago. 8) While it may be cold hearted our view was that we were not going to put our assets on the line for Slammers when they demonstrated no appreciable diplomatic or PvP capabilities. The view was that if Slammers wanted to hold on to a chunk of Providence then they would have to do so on their own. Similarly, Ushra'Khan's decision to enter into a NAP with ENH was based on identical reasoning, with a heavy emphasis on lack of communication, followed closely by the absence of diplomatic or PvP capabilities. With the Imperial Order driven off, the rest of Ushra'Khan's at-the-time-allies were either napped with their enemies, or constantly putting inadequately defended assets in jeopardy with poor decision making. Ushra'Khan initially put many of their assets on the line trying to defend these assets (capital ships, POS) but consistently took the heaviest brunt of the losses in battles with ENH. So, the ever unofficial defense of non-UK systems was withdrawn, and NRDS was negotiated with ENH for one of the most used access routes to empire. But the slight had been felt, and the ability to capitalize on the revenge the slight demanded existed. I firmly believe that if Slammers thought there was an entity around that could best CVA and had the desire to do it, they would probably be trying to orchestrate their downfall in a similar fashion. In the end, every move has boiled down to one common decision: What is believed to be best for your own alliance. Both U'K and CVA came to the same conclusion that it is simply not smart to put effort into defending entities who truly make themselves difficult to defend. After that, only strength really determines the 'morality' of such decisions. That is part of what makes this game truly interesting. It is not just the decision that can determine the fate of an alliance, but also the environment in which it is made.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.26 12:28:00 - [72] Originally by: Occasus Vim ...After that, only strength really determines the 'morality' of such decisions. That is part of what makes this game truly interesting. It is not just the decision that can determine the fate of an alliance, but also the environment in which it is made. Some pretty wise words there mate. Ugleb also did a sterling job with the historical recap. I have to say I think it's great that enough time has passed that the facts and thought processes from both sides in the conflict can be laid out. I'll be honest I still have some strong opinions about some of the stuff CVA did but I am making an active choice to to bring that to the table here. My time with my Brothers in the Ushra'Khan, especially in Providence has been, and continues to be, one of the most rewarding experiences of my gaming life. The politics and history of this tiny and almost worthless region are fascinating and it is pure player driven. Eve at it's best! 'Living' through the events of the last couple of years has given me a more profound undertanding of all manner of things from the Fremen in Dune to Hannibal's invasion of Rome. It has been and continues to be great. The irony that a pure flamebait post has inspired an interesting OOC discussion of one of the games longest running wars is not lost on me either. Anyways, cya in space
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.26 14:18:00 - [73] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Originally by: Occasus Vim ...After that, only strength really determines the 'morality' of such decisions. That is part of what makes this game truly interesting. It is not just the decision that can determine the fate of an alliance, but also the environment in which it is made. Some pretty wise words there mate. Ugleb also did a sterling job with the historical recap. I have to say I think it's great that enough time has passed that the facts and thought processes from both sides in the conflict can be laid out. I'll be honest I still have some strong opinions about some of the stuff CVA did but I am making an active choice to to bring that to the table here. My time with my Brothers in the Ushra'Khan, especially in Providence has been, and continues to be, one of the most rewarding experiences of my gaming life. The politics and history of this tiny and almost worthless region are fascinating and it is pure player driven. Eve at it's best! 'Living' through the events of the last couple of years has given me a more profound undertanding of all manner of things from the Fremen in Dune to Hannibal's invasion of Rome. It has been and continues to be great. The irony that a pure flamebait post has inspired an interesting OOC discussion of one of the games longest running wars is not lost on me either. Anyways, cya in space If someday I find myself experiencing the setbacks that has befallen U'K over the last year or so, I just hope I will have the character to behave with as much dignity as these guys do. That may sound very "corny", but I seriously can't think of any other way to describe what I feel when reading these posts. I guess the only thing I can really say is this: STOP PLAYING WITH MATCHES OR DADDY WILL BE FORCED TO USE HIS BELT ON YOU. Q: How many Amarr does it take to change a light bulb? A: None, we have Minnies to do the menial chores.
Kipper Deeplung Elewaitor	Posted - 2007.10.26 23:26:00 - [74] Edited by: Kipper Deeplung on 26/10/2007 23:30:23 You CVA guys are full of it. Your own membership have referred to other alliances in and around catch as pets. You treat locals as dung if they try to do stuff on their own accord and without the CVA blessing. Those who have proven 'worth' in your eyes but decide to move away for some time to try and better themselves as a corp or alliance also get treated like cow chips when they return. You are gangsters like the other big alliances and it's time for your control over Providence to be removed in my opinion. It's time for all the large and longterm alliances to be removed and I hope everyone realizes this. it's these alliances that impede the growth of 0.0 by over claiming space. The hopes of the new sovereignty system have missed by a long shot. A change has to be made to how it's done and especially to POS warfare.
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 00:03:00 - [75] Originally by: Kipper Deeplung Edited by: Kipper Deeplung on 26/10/2007 23:30:23 You CVA guys are full of it. ETC. I respectfully disagree. TE OCCIDERE POSSUNT SED TE EDERE NON POSSUNT NEFAS EST
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 00:05:00 - [76] Originally by: Kipper Deeplung Your own membership have referred to other alliances in and around catch as pets. In Catch? Are you serious? As for our allies in Providence, I would challenge you to provide evidence of us ever talking down to the allies whom we rely on as much as they rely on us. Originally by: Kipper Deeplung You treat locals as dung if they try to do stuff on their own accord and without the CVA blessing. If "do stuff on their own accord" includes "putting up towers in CVA sovereign systems without permission" you're quite correct. Particularly if they refuse to remove them when contacted through diplomatic means. I can't think of an alliance out there that wouldn't do the same. Originally by: Kipper Deeplung Those who have proven 'worth' in your eyes but decide to move away for some time to try and better themselves as a corp or alliance also get treated like cow chips when they return. We have CVA member corporations who have done what you describe. Originally by: Kipper Deeplung it's these alliances that impede the growth of 0.0 by over claiming space. CVA directly supported the now mostly-defunct Huzzah Federation before their rise to power in Catch. CVA has also directly supported IAC prior to their rise to power. The CVA's efforts in Providence has given many corporations and alliances a taste for 0.0, experience in 0.0, and those folks have often moved on to bigger and better things...because Providence is, frankly, not the place to go if you want to be powerful, popular and cool. It is, however, the exact opposite of what you describe. It's a great place to learn the harsh realities of 0.0 life (and some of the benefits) under an umbrella of cooperative alliances who work to keep the place "as safe as possible" under a tolerant "not red, don't shoot" policy.
Ms DaisyMae Burning Bush Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.27 01:32:00 - [77] The OP is da bestest poster on the interweb
Kipper Deeplung Elewaitor	Posted - 2007.10.27 02:47:00 - [78] Edited by: Kipper Deeplung on 27/10/2007 02:50:10 Ah yes.. Garreck, the great smoke pusher. Aralis, Hardin and yourself are master word spinners. I would first like to say I had a mis-thought in my second line of text. it should read "... in and around providence and catch." Your very own alliance mates in The Legion of Spoon have said the "pet" line on numerous occasions in local and in private communication. There are other members of corporations like Imperial Dreams who have also stated such. members of those corporations also like to place blame of loses on local corporations and alliances as well. It is also known that the production of any evidence will be construed as fictitious, falsified, or fake. there are names I can give of people who have read or conversed with your membership on just this topic but I will not destroy the confidence of my sources to give you a smile. Let me just say this intel comes from those close to, have had dealings with, and those who are part of your alliance. Originally by: Garreck It is, however, the exact opposite of what you describe. It's a great place to learn the harsh realities of 0.0 life (and some of the benefits) under an umbrella of cooperative alliances who work to keep the place "as safe as possible" under a tolerant "not red, don't shoot" policy. CVA's effort to help populate Providence and it's surrounding areas is to give them a meat-shield not unlike that of other major alliances. You just had Burn Eden in your 0.0 chokepoint for close to two weeks. During that time you guys could not even kill them. BE had almost 1000 kills in 11 days while only losing 10-15 during that time. Where was CVA to give your locals that freedom of movement within it's space? Station hugging? or maybe too busy ratting or mining in your carriers because that seems to be very common if I recall. Your definition of cooperation is a joke as CVA only cooperates with those who suck your toes. Anyone who stands up to you or says 'NO' is treated like cow chips unless members of your 'brotherhood'. Your umbrella is the worst social club known to man. Tribute to CVA is signing away your own freedom. I hope Outbreak comes back this time and lights you up like a bonfire. Heck, I'm even cheering for BoB to come in and give you guys a run for your money, but we all know they too have seen the fail-cat as of lately. I have said what i wanted to say. You feel free to spin it however you would like because int he end quite a few know it's true and that is enough for me.
Lowanaera Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 03:16:00 - [79] Originally by: Kipper Deeplung You just had Burn Eden in your 0.0 chokepoint for close to two weeks. During that time you guys could not even kill them. BE had almost 1000 kills in 11 days while only losing 10-15 during that time. Where was CVA to give your locals that freedom of movement within it's space? This exemplifies the mentality of "CVA should spawn like CONCORD and save us" that earned Slammers our ire. We strive to make Providence as safe as reasonably possible, but no 0.0 is safe, and those who cannot take adequate precautions to minimize risk are doomed to unnecessary and repeated deaths. When a group like BE decides to camp R3 taking absolute minimal risks and avoiding engagement whenever possible, we broadcast it loud and clear in our intel channels to not jump into R3 without scouting, preferably not at all, because it is simply not possible to entirely shut them down without a 23/7 camp of substantial force, a poor use of resources. They can be killed, and we do so when the opportunity presents itself, but most of the time they simply don't uncloak if they think there might even be a hint of a trap. So, we rightly ignore them most of the time, as they are only a threat to that single system and we have an entire region to take care of. Providence has four direct Empire entrances and several routes in via Catch, if despite repeated warnings people are unwilling to make use of those and choose to blindly jump into R3 anyway, simply put they deserve to die. Those who expect CVA to turn 0.0 into 1.0 for them do die.
Kipper Deeplung Elewaitor	Posted - 2007.10.27 04:08:00 - [80] Edited by: Kipper Deeplung on 27/10/2007 04:09:35 yeah but Lowanaera.... not everyone is allowed into your precious deliverance intel channel. (thecitadel)
Lowanaera Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 04:27:00 - [81] Any corp wishing to move to the area and be productive citizens is welcome to apply for access, in most cases it is granted. Access is revoked however if corps/alliances attack neutrals or cooperate with enemies. Slammer's access was revoked after paying BUM for a NAP combined with a history of non-contribution. In fact, part of the clearly stated and available rules for our area specifically includes that if you pay ransoms you will be made KOS, technically more should have happened than just revoking your access but we felt that was excessive for this specific case. Our rules are not difficult to follow, hard to find, or arbitrarily enforced. Those who fall on the wrong side of them and lose their access have none but themselves to blame.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.27 05:23:00 - [82] Originally by: Kipper Deeplung ...Tribute to CVA is signing away your own freedom... You make them sound like slavers or something.
General StarScream THE DECEPTIC0NS	Posted - 2007.10.27 05:35:00 - [83] Uk is Cva ***** we all know that, if it where in prison Uk would carry the soap. Sig Removed. Dont use inappropriate language in sigs -Kaemonn
SoulBlythe KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.27 06:23:00 - [84] Edited by: SoulBlythe on 27/10/2007 06:24:50 So when CVA or it's members puts products on the market or on contract and a known bad guy purchases them, is that member/corp kicked for selling to them? I mean that is cooperating with the enemy by providing them ships, modules and ammo. I should also state that getting a reply for deliverance access is like pulling teeth. Seems that the communication chain is a failure. Took me weeks of persistent pestering to find out that my corp, when requestingaccess, had to "prove themselves again" even after 2 years of dedicated assistance and listening to the trash spewed by the CVA membership. If I was you, I'd quit trying to sell CVA as you are. I think quite a few can agree you spin as much as a water wheel on a paddle boat. ====================== CEO - KVA Noble Inc. Split Infinity Radio DJ Host of the EvE Online show, Singularity (Wednesdays 4pm-7pm est / 9pm - Midnight bst)
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.27 07:08:00 - [85] Originally by: Lowanaera Edited by: Lowanaera on 24/10/2007 13:11:50 I can confirm that all this is true. Yes, exactly as Slammers has been ranting about for some time and sending eve-mails about to every single one of our allies to warn them of, CVA, U'K, and ENH are in fact allies and/or alts. We have been working together since the start of our entry into Providence, and the bloody sieges of QR and 9UY were just because we got bored and decided to throw away billions in ISK. All the forum bitterness and discussion following those sieges has just been a very elaborate cover, we're that hardcore. Also, the nightly raids ENH conducted against CVA for a while were really just a single person multi-boxing both gangs against each other, he's kind of nuts, but lots of fun to have around. But it goes much deeper than that. You see, we're not just alts/allies of each other, we're all BoB/MC alts. Aralis is really SirMolle. Maggot is really Seleene. The reason Providence has never been seriously invaded despite MC helping U'K in the past and BoB attacking a few key systems to secure their cynojam network is not because Providence is horrible worthless space that nobody but a few RPers and loonies wants, it's because this is the sandbox playground that all of BoB and MC have alts in to take a break from the major 0.0 wars. We've just been fighting to keep BoB out of their cyno network systems to keep us on our toes on both our accounts, Molle feels we're aren't getting enough action. Now you have the truth. Now you can see it all for the sham it really is. Sorry, I could not live with the burden of this awful truth any longer! You're all CVA. You just don't know it yet. Personal Library
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 15:03:00 - [86] Originally by: SoulBlythe If I was you, I'd quit trying to sell CVA as you are. I think quite a few can agree you spin as much as a water wheel on a paddle boat. I don't have to sell CVA. CVA sells itself, Providence sells itself. That Burn Eden can roll in and camp one (of four off the top of my head) of the jokepoints into Providence from Empire and average 100 kills a day is evidence enough of that. People are so happy to point out the flaws in Providence and say the system doesn't work. Then they indirectly refer to how many people use the space by quoting kill stats. Which is it? Does the CVA treat the locals like crap and discourage their presence, or do we provide a welcoming enough atmosphere that our spacelanes are packed with soft targets for gankers? Who's spinning what here?
SoulBlythe KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.27 18:11:00 - [87] Edited by: SoulBlythe on 27/10/2007 18:13:15 By Kipper's showing and from my personal knowledge of the region, the locals are cannon fodder for CVA. Now you mention four entry points into providence but 2-3 of them are perma-camped by your opposing alliance and enemies. The R3 gate is the best and most common access point as well as the easiest access into that region. People only come to South Central Eve (that ghetto called Providence) because it's a good starting ground. That starting ground is nothing but a form of ancillary indentured servitude to CVA. Trust me Garreck when I say I would rather shoot you guys then to be tolerant neighbors, but my corp-mates have some deep rooted civility toward your lot, and I have to respect the wishes of my fellow corp-mates. I should toss in here that I have no love for U'K and any of the other entities in that region as well. ====================== CEO - KVA Noble Inc. Split Infinity Radio DJ Host of the EvE Online show, Singularity (Wednesdays 4pm-7pm est / 9pm - Midnight bst)
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 19:19:00 - [88] If people get tired of Providence, they'll up and leave. And they'll be wished well. In the mean time, they're welcome to stay in Providence, and they're wished well. CVA's "true intent" or whatever in Providence can be twisted and turned and scrutinized and criticized...but those are the facts and have been the facts for years. Providence is a good starting ground because for those who don't wish to work with the CVA, they're allowed to be in our space and carry on with their business, no questions asked, no demands levied (care to name another region where that's the case?) and those who do wish to work with the CVA benefit from direct strategic support. It's pretty thankless, as this thread nicely illustrates, but it's a fun project and presents a unique gaming challenge.
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.10.27 19:51:00 - [89] Originally by: Lowanaera When a group like BE decides to camp R3 taking absolute minimal risks and avoiding engagement whenever possible Well I can think of atleast 858 engagements we failed to avoid..... Just sayin
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.10.29 05:36:00 - [90] Originally by: SoulBlythe By Kipper's showing and from my personal knowledge of the region, the locals are cannon fodder for CVA. Whats that supposed to mean? No neutral is attacked in Providence. Which part of the well known NRDS policy dont you understand? Originally by: SoulBlythe That starting ground is nothing but a form of ancillary indentured servitude to CVA. Uh...indentured servitude? Does anyone pay rent there? Are you trying to say that dropping a POS in someone else's territory should be allowed whenever they feel like it? Sorry dude, but your arguement has no real weight to it. Mostly I'm seeing chatter from whiny kids who dont get their way but sure as hell wont get it in any other region. Try dropping a POS in RAGoon territory out of the blue. How long do you think it will last? Originally by: SoulBlythe Trust me Garreck when I say I would rather shoot you guys then to be tolerant neighbors, but my corp-mates have some deep rooted civility toward your lot, and I have to respect the wishes of my fellow corp-mates. I think its in your best interest to leave the area then. You sure dont like being here so maybe you should just leave. I'm sure there are other alliances in 0.0 who are willing to let you do as you please...for a small fee.
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 08:04:00 - [91] wow! i managed to fill 3 pages with my alts! thanks for reading everyone♥ Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
SoulBlythe KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.29 08:53:00 - [92] Originally by: Keorythe Whats that supposed to mean? No neutral is attacked in Providence. Which part of the well known NRDS policy dont you understand? This has nothing to do with neutrals being shot by CVA and yes, even the locals shoot neutrals but then again, how are those living in the area suppose to know who is red, neutral and blue unless your in the "good ol' boyz' club. This information should be openly published and no done by choice access. SO, if I do not know who is red to the great deliverance area, I go by my own alliance's standings which has few blues or reds since we are merchants and service providers. This also has to do with locals having to be the militia for the big bad brother of providence and yet they poorly give back to the community around them, even if they have proven over and over they are "worthy" of kissing the great CVA's ring. And before you go asking, yes we have requested access over and over from Aralis, Sydious, and even asked for help via others we know within whom where once members of my corp. Then again, it was an ex-member of my corp that joined TLoS who frakked us over in the first place speaking out of place before knowing the facts and having proper discussion between entities. A year later even after a 'reach around' and major sucking off, someone still has a grudge for something which did not happen as they think because they will not admit their own fault in the matter. Originally by: Keorythe Uh...indentured servitude? Does anyone pay rent there? Are you trying to say that dropping a POS in someone else's territory should be allowed whenever they feel like it? Sorry dude, but your argument has no real weight to it. Mostly I'm seeing chatter from whiny kids who dont get their way but sure as hell wont get it in any other region. Try dropping a POS in RAGoon territory out of the blue. How long do you think it will last? First off, I never said anything about dropping a POS so I have no idea where that idea popped into your head. I have had many POS within CVA space over the past couple of years. Secondly, I guess you have no idea what indentured servants where and are so I will define it for you. An indentured servant is a laborer under contract of the employer in exchange for an extension to the period of their indenture, which could thereby continue indefinitely. In other cases, indentured servants were subject to violence at the hands of their employers in the homes or fields in which they worked. In the case of CVA you have to follow the rules they set forth. All alliances who allow others to live in their space force an indentured servitude on those players who live with them. The violence at the hands of said employers is their enemies. The enemies listed for the Deliverance area is intensively long and sadly poorly maintained with some of those being listed out of spite and not for good cause. What if I had business with those enemies? I couldn't care who you are so long as you purchase my products good, bad, or ugly. I guess you are not allowed to make an income outside of ratting and mining in providence which honestly is not the best. Originally by: Keorythe I think its in your best interest to leave the area then. You sure don't like being here so maybe you should just leave. I'm sure there are other alliances in 0.0 who are willing to let you do as you please...for a small fee. Ah you see, we are deeply rooted in the area and moving is not an option right now. I just want to be able to conduct my business my way and not have a big brother telling me what i can and can not do. Trust me when said I would rather leave then stay, but the option is not mine alone, I'm just a chairman, it's a decision of my community. My commitment to my community is greater then all and always comes first. I guess I'm not allowed to voice my opinions so I'll hush up now since you seem to be the fountain of knowledge in the area. ====================== CEO - KVA Noble Inc. Split Infinity Radio DJ Host of the EvE Online show, Singularity (Wednesdays 4pm-7pm est / 9pm - Midnight bst)
Hardin Amarr Iron Eagles The Red Light District	Posted - 2007.10.29 12:59:00 - [93] Originally by: SoulBlythe This has nothing to do with neutrals being shot by CVA and yes, even the locals shoot neutrals but then again, how are those living in the area suppose to know who is red, neutral and blue unless your in the "good ol' boyz' club. This information should be openly published and not done by choice access. Most people who live in the Deliverance area and prove to be good citizens get access over time to the shared intel channel. While we know that this channel is compromised (hence the advice never to detail the location/disposition of friendly forces) we still try and keep it secure to the best of our abilities and do this by restricting it to corporations that have been around for a while. It's not 100% foolproof but it is better than nothing. KVA Noble were at one stage included in the Deliverance intel channel but were removed when we discovered that one of your members was also a member of Outbreak who were at that time operating in our area. Various circumstancial happenings indicated that Outbreak were indeed being passed information from the channel (whether or not this was from the alt in your corp or not could be discussed, neverthless on principle we will not allow non-enemy alts into our channels even if they promise to behave). As a result the decision was taken to remove your corp from the intel channel. That was back in February. If the offending alt has been removed then it is possible that you could get your access back. It is not about 'kissing CVA's ring' it IS about trying to keep our intel channels secure. Originally by: SoulBlythe This also has to do with locals having to be the militia for the big bad brother of providence and yet they poorly give back to the community around them, even if they have proven over and over they are "worthy" of kissing the great CVA's ring. When CVA first launched 'Operation Deliverance' over three years ago now and moved down to Southern Domain/North Western Providence there were virtually no locals in the area due to the fact that the whole region was one big pirate party. Over the course of time CVA started 'civilising' the area in line with our roleplay objectives to bring law and order to Amarrian space. Of course as the region became safer more people started to move down here. These new residents enjoyed CVA protection but the CVA has NEVER guaranteed anyone's safety - we are after all limited in size and cannot be everywhere at once. As a result many of the new residents of the region took an active interest in providing their own security under the auspices of our NRDS policies. These people became the 'militia' not because CVA asked them to - but because the Deliverance Region is their home too and it is in their interests to protect it against the forces of anarchy. We have never asked anyone to fight for us or threatened them for not doing so. The Deliverance Region is ALWAYS OPEN FOR ANYONE who wants to come here provided they don't pirate. No one is forced to assist the CVA but they do because CVA assists them in return. If someone moves here and decides that they want nothing to do with CVA then they don't have to have anything to do with us - they just run more chance of getting ganked by pirates if they do. ------------------------------ snip Don't discuss moderation. -Rauth
Hardin Amarr Iron Eagles The Red Light District	Posted - 2007.10.29 13:00:00 - [94] Originally by: SoulBlythe And before you go asking, yes we have requested access over and over from Aralis, Sydious, and even asked for help via others we know within whom where once members of my corp. Then again, it was an ex-member of my corp that joined TLoS who frakked us over in the first place speaking out of place before knowing the facts and having proper discussion between entities. A year later even after a 'reach around' and major sucking off, someone still has a grudge for something which did not happen as they think because they will not admit their own fault in the matter. To be honest apart from the thread detailing the reasons for your removal from our intel channel I have seen no evidence of a 'reach around' or 'major sucking off'. Usually all diplomatic approaches are posted on our internal boards for discussion and I have not seen any such discussion in this case. That is not to say that you haven't contacted someone but it certainly hasn't progressed internally. As far as I am aware there is no reason that you would not be allowed back into the intel channel if you confirm that the alt which was causing us concern has been removed, which I think is a perfectly reasonable request. It might also help your cause if you toned down the anti-CVA rhetoric somewhat too! If you have issues with this then contact me. I certainly have no axe to grind. Originally by: SoulBlythe In the case of CVA you have to follow the rules they set forth. All alliances who allow others to live in their space force an indentured servitude on those players who live with them. The violence at the hands of said employers is their enemies. The enemies listed for the Deliverance area is intensively long and sadly poorly maintained with some of those being listed out of spite and not for good cause. What if I had business with those enemies? I couldn't care who you are so long as you purchase my products good, bad, or ugly. I guess you are not allowed to make an income outside of ratting and mining in providence which honestly is not the best. The CVA KOS list is 'intensively' long because we operate NRDS and because we do not remove people from our KOS list until they provide an apology and compensation for their sins. We still have people on our KOS list who were first added over 3 years ago. EVE is a game about responsibility and we will not remove people from KOS even if they have long forgotten their crime (or their membership of an offending organisation). Is that wrong? We do not add people for grudges or spite. EVERYONE on the CVA KOS list has been added for either shooting CVA or for shooting neutrals in the Deliverance area. That is it. The vast majority are pirates or members of alliances that NBSI and do not behave in Providence. If you think the list is poorly maintained that is your right. I am sure from an outsiders perspective it can look like that sometimes. However a HUGE amount of work is put into the CVA KOS list by a number of individuals and while it could be slicker sometimes it is probably the best maintained, managed and monitored KOS listing in EVE. You complain about the CVA KOS list restricting your customer base and that I couldn't care who you are so long as you purchase my products good, bad, or ugly. Fine by me... We don't tell you who you can sell to or what you can sell them. However we will shoot our KOS enemies if they enter our space. Surely it is not to hard to ship your products out of low-sec and sell them to whoever you like there? If that is too much of an inconvenience then why in gods name are you still here? ------------------------------ snip Don't discuss moderation. -Rauth
Hardin Amarr Iron Eagles The Red Light District	Posted - 2007.10.29 13:00:00 - [95] Originally by: SoulBlythe Ah you see, we are deeply rooted in the area and moving is not an option right now. Okay so you want to live here and *** about us at the same time? You know this is a perfect example of why CVA space is actually a good place to live - because anywhere else the controlling alliance would have kicked you out the moment you started to criticise them. You say you don't want a 'big brother' telling you what to do, fine go off and claim your own chunk of EVE real estate then. If the CVA is a 'big brother' then its a damn benevolent one. Go visit another region and let me know where you get a better deal. Originally by:** SoulBlythe I guess I'm not allowed to voice my opinions and have some bitterness I can sort of understand why you are ***ed off - clearly there has been a breakdown of communication somewhere. I am happy for you to contact me and have a convo to straighten this out and hopefully restore some bridges before they are completely burn down. ------------------------------ snip* Don't discuss moderation. -Rauth
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:43:00 - [96] I've live in Providence for close to half of my EvE lifetime. There are two simple rules which you pretty much have to follow or you end up KOS. Follow the NRDS policy. Dont drop POS's in 0.0 space without permission. Even by the definition of indentured servitude you listed we are far from that. We pay no rent. We put stuff on the open market to sell as we please. Some of those materials even get bought by the enemy which we have no control over. We rat and manufacture as we please. Myself and my corp served in the providence militia long after we were granted access to the citadel channel or even joined S3verance. Gaining access isn't that hard at all. The providence milita was in every citizen's interest since it was primarily for taking out hostiles and pirate but it was never required. Yes there are some problems. Yes you are still on your own much of the time. No CVA isn't going to hold your hand on every little thing. Yes the KOS list is slow to be updated with NEW kos people (plus it lags trying to bring it up) but often is quickly fixed for those removed. Yes sometimes neutrals will shoot others due to previous corp kos standing. I doesn't take much to let everyone know the situations (jump into misaba, say in local) or to correct those issue. Ethi, post with more UK or ENH alts to make the post more colorful. Hardin,....are you making ANOTHER alliance for profit?
SoulBlythe KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:23:00 - [97] Yes Harden but that member never had access to the intel channel or knowledge of it till that TLoS member mentioned it. There is no evidence that that character was ever in the channel when Ram lost his ratting capital (or was he mining in it, I forget). No one but my field commanders and knowing KVA Noble veterans had knowledge of this channel because we took it as a tool. This is something other ex-members who left for TLoS could attest to. How am I to pass-up a productive member who earned us over three billion in mineral and module trade in the four months he was with us? He was part of KVA Noble as we came back from Fountain and we left Fountain because of the whole Big Brother bull BoB like to swing. (that crap is worth a whole thread on it's own and it was already beaten like a dead horse a year ago so no need to rehash that pile of crap.) That is why we came back knowing the Deliverance area was basicly free space and we where back among people we know and enjoy playing this game with and have had some grand times as well. I see the Deliverance area the same as any other free nation, I can disagree and talk about it openly and still live peacefully within it's borders. That is/was the best part of the whole region in my opinion. i will contact you this week hardin so we can properly discuss everything as I do not want to burn our bridges and come back to terms with those we enjoy being with. ====================== CEO - KVA Noble Inc. Split Infinity Radio DJ Host of the EvE Online show, Singularity (Wednesdays 4pm-7pm est / 9pm - Midnight bst)
Hardin Amarr Iron Eagles The Red Light District	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:15:00 - [98] I look forward to a chat! ------------------------------ snip Don't discuss moderation. -Rauth
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:48:00 - [99] if anything bad happens in cva refer it to deaduck . it's always his fault signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) why dont you just tell me ?
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:04:00 - [100] Edited by: Reash on 29/10/2007 21:04:32 Originally by: prathe if anything bad happens in cva refer it to deaduck . it's always his fault You are clearly not a CVA member, otherwise you would know it is ALWAYS Forsch's fault. Always. We Amarrians like our traditions...keeping slaves, prayers and blaming Forsch. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:30:00 - [101] Edited by: Pezzle on 29/10/2007 21:30:38 The KOS list is reviewed frequently. I am sorry that we do not have the time to go through it and contact every entity on a regular basis and ask if they are still the enemy. Wait! No I am not! If someone has a problem being on the list (general indicated by hordes of residents chasing them around Providence shooting at them)they can always initiate diplomacy. This is their responsibility, not ours, though we do make contacts on first incidents and the like. One further note. Look everyone, Hardin is back and making up for lost forum posting time!! =)
SoulBlythe KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.29 22:20:00 - [102] Originally by: Pezzle Edited by: Pezzle on 29/10/2007 21:30:38 The KOS list is reviewed frequently. I am sorry that we do not have the time to go through it and contact every entity on a regular basis and ask if they are still the enemy. Wait! No I am not! If someone has a problem being on the list (general indicated by hordes of residents chasing them around Providence shooting at them)they can always initiate diplomacy. This is their responsibility, not ours, though we do make contacts on first incidents and the like. One further note. Look everyone, Hardin is back and making up for lost forum posting time!! =) See Pez, I have been trying to contact some, anyone to figure out what can be done (no we are not KOS) to fix these current issues. I have been trying for over 6 months now. I get passed around, ignored, give the same kind off cookie cutter answers we see from the GM's in-game (no offense but great reference fact), and pretty much treated as a flea on the bottom of a dog's ********. thanks to people like Hardin, resolution is close at hand. ====================== CEO - KVA Noble Inc. Split Infinity Radio DJ Host of the EvE Online show, Singularity (Wednesdays 4pm-7pm est / 9pm - Midnight bst)
Holocost	Posted - 2007.10.30 00:17:00 - [103] what ever happened to PIE inc?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:51:00 - [104] Originally by: Holocost what ever happened to PIE inc? We're still around, doing the Amarrian thing. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Conlin Gallente Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.31 16:25:00 - [105] Originally by: Hardin I have been away from EVE due to a couple of RL holidays over the past month and as a response have not been able to keep up to date with the unusual meanderings of CAOD. A FEW PROVIDENCE FACTS 1) CVA and Ushra'khan don't work together 2) CVA and Enh/AzA don't work together 3) Contrary to popular opinion not everyone who holds space in Providence is: a) A CVA 'holder' or b) Under our protection 4) Slammers were not a CVA Holder nor were they under our protection. Other groups in Providence have through their actions proved 'worthy'* and do indeed qualify as 'Holders' and receive our assistance as and when necessary. A prime example of this is Paxton. 5) Slammers did help CVA in the siege of 9UY - for their own reasons - primarily because UK had recruited enemies such as Enh / Evoke / BUM and others in their effort to hold onto the station. 6) Because CVA has always allowed 'neutral' entities to operate in Providence (in the same way that neutrals can operate in Amarr space) we recognised Slammers claim on their part of Providence and indeed for a short period assisted them to maintain that claim. 7) Regular displays of incompetence, lack of communication and downright stupidity from Slammers led to an internal CVA decision to withdraw CVA protection from Slammers (which had never been officially provided at any rate). This preceeded the AzA campaign and happened many months ago. 8) While it may be cold hearted our view was that we were not going to put our assets on the line for Slammers when they demonstrated no appreciable diplomatic or PvP capabilities. The view was that if Slammers wanted to hold on to a chunk of Providence then they would have to do so on their own. 9) When AzA decided to launch its campaign on Slammers we were unconcerned. Our HONEST opinion was that Slammers could: a) Successfully hold onto their space - in which case good luck to them. or b) Lose their space to our enemies. While this on the face of it looks like a stupid option it would give CVA the freedom to turf the enemies out and reclaim those systems properly. This would allow us to provide the level of security and protection that is provided elsewhere in Providence, which we could not implement properly while Slammers held Sov and simply didn't cooperate with us at a worthwhile level. While the CVA is by no means fans of Enh/UK/AzA I have to admit internally we were more than happy to see them push Slammers out. Slammers had proved themselves incapable, incoherent and unworthy of our assistance and we were more than happy to see them replaced by enemies who we could 'legitimately' remove and replace. So from our viewpoint AzA/Enh/UK have actually done us a favour whether they wanted to or not... I suppose taken in that context you could say that we were actually working together - even if that was by no means an agreed or planned consequence. *'Worthy' does not = rent. Worthy means playing an active role in Providence vs those who would seek to engender chaos in the area. Being active and 'worthy' involves the regular and neighbourly sharing of information, intelligence, and in general working with both CVA and other Holders to protect their space and keep the spacelanes clear for neutral and friendly traffic. Good examples of the worthy are Sylph, Paxton, s3verance, Cold Steel, Aegis Militia. Well we did ya favour , do us one get back on holiday !!
Alois Hammer Minmatar Hammers Slammers Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2007.11.01 06:58:00 - [106] wow , and i haven't even posted yet!! 4 pages??? sheesh.....ok well here goes.... we are re-organising atmm . we just had a Slamm-Con (many thanks to the owners of the local strip-joint for providing the location and the countless pitchers of beer... ) Providence has been our home since our inception , and since the begining of our aliance , we have been in a fight on a daily basis. we have more hours logged in fights than any other alliance .As a industrial alliance , i myself am damn proud to have the name Slammers republic on the side of our ships , to be able to display such tenacity and courage; to go back into the fires day after day , only to be finaly overwhelmed by superior numbers that this chosen few has been resisting since day one. This fight has just began , Slammers dont die , we just go to hell to regroup . P.S to all the Slammers that have lost their underware at Slamm-con , i am happy to say the girls have them hanging on their "kill-boards" Alois Hammer humble leader of the True and Right
Darc Kaahar I threw petrol on the fire and now I have no arms	Posted - 2007.11.01 07:59:00 - [107] Originally by: Alois Hammer wow , and i haven't even posted yet!! 4 pages??? sheesh.....ok well here goes.... we are re-organising atmm . we just had a Slamm-Con (many thanks to the owners of the local strip-joint for providing the location and the countless pitchers of beer... ) Providence has been our home since our inception , and since the begining of our aliance , we have been in a fight on a daily basis. we have more hours logged in fights than any other alliance .As a industrial alliance , i myself am damn proud to have the name Slammers republic on the side of our ships , to be able to display such tenacity and courage; to go back into the fires day after day , only to be finaly overwhelmed by superior numbers that this chosen few has been resisting since day one. This fight has just began , Slammers dont die , we just go to hell to regroup . P.S to all the Slammers that have lost their underware at Slamm-con , i am happy to say the girls have them hanging on their "kill-boards" Alois Hammer humble leader of the True and Right D.P.'s got that crazy ** We keep it crunked-up, John Blazed and You would rather have a Lexus? or justice? a dream? or some substance? A Beamer? a necklace? or freedom? Still a *** like me don't playa-hate, I just stay awake
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:05:00 - [108] OK just to add my own 2 cents for all it is worth. For one it took us 2 years of hard work to get into CVA and well no ones perfect but your not gonna find another group anywere that is gonna say ok your nuetral go on through most will just blow you outta the sky as quick as you entered so setting here whining about CVA on that account is just stupid. As for BE we did try to stop them from killing us and nuetrals, but to give them thier dues as they did us they are some smart guys with a very good idea (thanks for that idea btw ) As for slammers well i think Hardin, and Low said that well enough as did the UK guys. I give UK props btw for being stand up guys in this post I was really surprised. But O'well i stand on the grounds of If you dont like nrds or CVA well i guess you dont need to be in prov. other than that i think ive said my peace So everyone fly safe and those who are KOS see you on the battlefield

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