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Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 08:04:00 - [91] wow! i managed to fill 3 pages with my alts! thanks for reading everyone♥ Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
SoulBlythe KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.29 08:53:00 - [92] Originally by: Keorythe Whats that supposed to mean? No neutral is attacked in Providence. Which part of the well known NRDS policy dont you understand? This has nothing to do with neutrals being shot by CVA and yes, even the locals shoot neutrals but then again, how are those living in the area suppose to know who is red, neutral and blue unless your in the "good ol' boyz' club. This information should be openly published and no done by choice access. SO, if I do not know who is red to the great deliverance area, I go by my own alliance's standings which has few blues or reds since we are merchants and service providers. This also has to do with locals having to be the militia for the big bad brother of providence and yet they poorly give back to the community around them, even if they have proven over and over they are "worthy" of kissing the great CVA's ring. And before you go asking, yes we have requested access over and over from Aralis, Sydious, and even asked for help via others we know within whom where once members of my corp. Then again, it was an ex-member of my corp that joined TLoS who frakked us over in the first place speaking out of place before knowing the facts and having proper discussion between entities. A year later even after a 'reach around' and major sucking off, someone still has a grudge for something which did not happen as they think because they will not admit their own fault in the matter. Originally by: Keorythe Uh...indentured servitude? Does anyone pay rent there? Are you trying to say that dropping a POS in someone else's territory should be allowed whenever they feel like it? Sorry dude, but your argument has no real weight to it. Mostly I'm seeing chatter from whiny kids who dont get their way but sure as hell wont get it in any other region. Try dropping a POS in RAGoon territory out of the blue. How long do you think it will last? First off, I never said anything about dropping a POS so I have no idea where that idea popped into your head. I have had many POS within CVA space over the past couple of years. Secondly, I guess you have no idea what indentured servants where and are so I will define it for you. An indentured servant is a laborer under contract of the employer in exchange for an extension to the period of their indenture, which could thereby continue indefinitely. In other cases, indentured servants were subject to violence at the hands of their employers in the homes or fields in which they worked. In the case of CVA you have to follow the rules they set forth. All alliances who allow others to live in their space force an indentured servitude on those players who live with them. The violence at the hands of said employers is their enemies. The enemies listed for the Deliverance area is intensively long and sadly poorly maintained with some of those being listed out of spite and not for good cause. What if I had business with those enemies? I couldn't care who you are so long as you purchase my products good, bad, or ugly. I guess you are not allowed to make an income outside of ratting and mining in providence which honestly is not the best. Originally by: Keorythe I think its in your best interest to leave the area then. You sure don't like being here so maybe you should just leave. I'm sure there are other alliances in 0.0 who are willing to let you do as you please...for a small fee. Ah you see, we are deeply rooted in the area and moving is not an option right now. I just want to be able to conduct my business my way and not have a big brother telling me what i can and can not do. Trust me when said I would rather leave then stay, but the option is not mine alone, I'm just a chairman, it's a decision of my community. My commitment to my community is greater then all and always comes first. I guess I'm not allowed to voice my opinions so I'll hush up now since you seem to be the fountain of knowledge in the area. ====================== CEO - KVA Noble Inc. Split Infinity Radio DJ Host of the EvE Online show, Singularity (Wednesdays 4pm-7pm est / 9pm - Midnight bst)
Hardin Amarr Iron Eagles The Red Light District	Posted - 2007.10.29 12:59:00 - [93] Originally by: SoulBlythe This has nothing to do with neutrals being shot by CVA and yes, even the locals shoot neutrals but then again, how are those living in the area suppose to know who is red, neutral and blue unless your in the "good ol' boyz' club. This information should be openly published and not done by choice access. Most people who live in the Deliverance area and prove to be good citizens get access over time to the shared intel channel. While we know that this channel is compromised (hence the advice never to detail the location/disposition of friendly forces) we still try and keep it secure to the best of our abilities and do this by restricting it to corporations that have been around for a while. It's not 100% foolproof but it is better than nothing. KVA Noble were at one stage included in the Deliverance intel channel but were removed when we discovered that one of your members was also a member of Outbreak who were at that time operating in our area. Various circumstancial happenings indicated that Outbreak were indeed being passed information from the channel (whether or not this was from the alt in your corp or not could be discussed, neverthless on principle we will not allow non-enemy alts into our channels even if they promise to behave). As a result the decision was taken to remove your corp from the intel channel. That was back in February. If the offending alt has been removed then it is possible that you could get your access back. It is not about 'kissing CVA's ring' it IS about trying to keep our intel channels secure. Originally by: SoulBlythe This also has to do with locals having to be the militia for the big bad brother of providence and yet they poorly give back to the community around them, even if they have proven over and over they are "worthy" of kissing the great CVA's ring. When CVA first launched 'Operation Deliverance' over three years ago now and moved down to Southern Domain/North Western Providence there were virtually no locals in the area due to the fact that the whole region was one big pirate party. Over the course of time CVA started 'civilising' the area in line with our roleplay objectives to bring law and order to Amarrian space. Of course as the region became safer more people started to move down here. These new residents enjoyed CVA protection but the CVA has NEVER guaranteed anyone's safety - we are after all limited in size and cannot be everywhere at once. As a result many of the new residents of the region took an active interest in providing their own security under the auspices of our NRDS policies. These people became the 'militia' not because CVA asked them to - but because the Deliverance Region is their home too and it is in their interests to protect it against the forces of anarchy. We have never asked anyone to fight for us or threatened them for not doing so. The Deliverance Region is ALWAYS OPEN FOR ANYONE who wants to come here provided they don't pirate. No one is forced to assist the CVA but they do because CVA assists them in return. If someone moves here and decides that they want nothing to do with CVA then they don't have to have anything to do with us - they just run more chance of getting ganked by pirates if they do. ------------------------------ snip Don't discuss moderation. -Rauth
Hardin Amarr Iron Eagles The Red Light District	Posted - 2007.10.29 13:00:00 - [94] Originally by: SoulBlythe And before you go asking, yes we have requested access over and over from Aralis, Sydious, and even asked for help via others we know within whom where once members of my corp. Then again, it was an ex-member of my corp that joined TLoS who frakked us over in the first place speaking out of place before knowing the facts and having proper discussion between entities. A year later even after a 'reach around' and major sucking off, someone still has a grudge for something which did not happen as they think because they will not admit their own fault in the matter. To be honest apart from the thread detailing the reasons for your removal from our intel channel I have seen no evidence of a 'reach around' or 'major sucking off'. Usually all diplomatic approaches are posted on our internal boards for discussion and I have not seen any such discussion in this case. That is not to say that you haven't contacted someone but it certainly hasn't progressed internally. As far as I am aware there is no reason that you would not be allowed back into the intel channel if you confirm that the alt which was causing us concern has been removed, which I think is a perfectly reasonable request. It might also help your cause if you toned down the anti-CVA rhetoric somewhat too! If you have issues with this then contact me. I certainly have no axe to grind. Originally by: SoulBlythe In the case of CVA you have to follow the rules they set forth. All alliances who allow others to live in their space force an indentured servitude on those players who live with them. The violence at the hands of said employers is their enemies. The enemies listed for the Deliverance area is intensively long and sadly poorly maintained with some of those being listed out of spite and not for good cause. What if I had business with those enemies? I couldn't care who you are so long as you purchase my products good, bad, or ugly. I guess you are not allowed to make an income outside of ratting and mining in providence which honestly is not the best. The CVA KOS list is 'intensively' long because we operate NRDS and because we do not remove people from our KOS list until they provide an apology and compensation for their sins. We still have people on our KOS list who were first added over 3 years ago. EVE is a game about responsibility and we will not remove people from KOS even if they have long forgotten their crime (or their membership of an offending organisation). Is that wrong? We do not add people for grudges or spite. EVERYONE on the CVA KOS list has been added for either shooting CVA or for shooting neutrals in the Deliverance area. That is it. The vast majority are pirates or members of alliances that NBSI and do not behave in Providence. If you think the list is poorly maintained that is your right. I am sure from an outsiders perspective it can look like that sometimes. However a HUGE amount of work is put into the CVA KOS list by a number of individuals and while it could be slicker sometimes it is probably the best maintained, managed and monitored KOS listing in EVE. You complain about the CVA KOS list restricting your customer base and that I couldn't care who you are so long as you purchase my products good, bad, or ugly. Fine by me... We don't tell you who you can sell to or what you can sell them. However we will shoot our KOS enemies if they enter our space. Surely it is not to hard to ship your products out of low-sec and sell them to whoever you like there? If that is too much of an inconvenience then why in gods name are you still here? ------------------------------ snip Don't discuss moderation. -Rauth
Hardin Amarr Iron Eagles The Red Light District	Posted - 2007.10.29 13:00:00 - [95] Originally by: SoulBlythe Ah you see, we are deeply rooted in the area and moving is not an option right now. Okay so you want to live here and *** about us at the same time? You know this is a perfect example of why CVA space is actually a good place to live - because anywhere else the controlling alliance would have kicked you out the moment you started to criticise them. You say you don't want a 'big brother' telling you what to do, fine go off and claim your own chunk of EVE real estate then. If the CVA is a 'big brother' then its a damn benevolent one. Go visit another region and let me know where you get a better deal. Originally by:** SoulBlythe I guess I'm not allowed to voice my opinions and have some bitterness I can sort of understand why you are ***ed off - clearly there has been a breakdown of communication somewhere. I am happy for you to contact me and have a convo to straighten this out and hopefully restore some bridges before they are completely burn down. ------------------------------ snip* Don't discuss moderation. -Rauth
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:43:00 - [96] I've live in Providence for close to half of my EvE lifetime. There are two simple rules which you pretty much have to follow or you end up KOS. Follow the NRDS policy. Dont drop POS's in 0.0 space without permission. Even by the definition of indentured servitude you listed we are far from that. We pay no rent. We put stuff on the open market to sell as we please. Some of those materials even get bought by the enemy which we have no control over. We rat and manufacture as we please. Myself and my corp served in the providence militia long after we were granted access to the citadel channel or even joined S3verance. Gaining access isn't that hard at all. The providence milita was in every citizen's interest since it was primarily for taking out hostiles and pirate but it was never required. Yes there are some problems. Yes you are still on your own much of the time. No CVA isn't going to hold your hand on every little thing. Yes the KOS list is slow to be updated with NEW kos people (plus it lags trying to bring it up) but often is quickly fixed for those removed. Yes sometimes neutrals will shoot others due to previous corp kos standing. I doesn't take much to let everyone know the situations (jump into misaba, say in local) or to correct those issue. Ethi, post with more UK or ENH alts to make the post more colorful. Hardin,....are you making ANOTHER alliance for profit?
SoulBlythe KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:23:00 - [97] Yes Harden but that member never had access to the intel channel or knowledge of it till that TLoS member mentioned it. There is no evidence that that character was ever in the channel when Ram lost his ratting capital (or was he mining in it, I forget). No one but my field commanders and knowing KVA Noble veterans had knowledge of this channel because we took it as a tool. This is something other ex-members who left for TLoS could attest to. How am I to pass-up a productive member who earned us over three billion in mineral and module trade in the four months he was with us? He was part of KVA Noble as we came back from Fountain and we left Fountain because of the whole Big Brother bull BoB like to swing. (that crap is worth a whole thread on it's own and it was already beaten like a dead horse a year ago so no need to rehash that pile of crap.) That is why we came back knowing the Deliverance area was basicly free space and we where back among people we know and enjoy playing this game with and have had some grand times as well. I see the Deliverance area the same as any other free nation, I can disagree and talk about it openly and still live peacefully within it's borders. That is/was the best part of the whole region in my opinion. i will contact you this week hardin so we can properly discuss everything as I do not want to burn our bridges and come back to terms with those we enjoy being with. ====================== CEO - KVA Noble Inc. Split Infinity Radio DJ Host of the EvE Online show, Singularity (Wednesdays 4pm-7pm est / 9pm - Midnight bst)
Hardin Amarr Iron Eagles The Red Light District	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:15:00 - [98] I look forward to a chat! ------------------------------ snip Don't discuss moderation. -Rauth
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:48:00 - [99] if anything bad happens in cva refer it to deaduck . it's always his fault signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) why dont you just tell me ?
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:04:00 - [100] Edited by: Reash on 29/10/2007 21:04:32 Originally by: prathe if anything bad happens in cva refer it to deaduck . it's always his fault You are clearly not a CVA member, otherwise you would know it is ALWAYS Forsch's fault. Always. We Amarrians like our traditions...keeping slaves, prayers and blaming Forsch. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:30:00 - [101] Edited by: Pezzle on 29/10/2007 21:30:38 The KOS list is reviewed frequently. I am sorry that we do not have the time to go through it and contact every entity on a regular basis and ask if they are still the enemy. Wait! No I am not! If someone has a problem being on the list (general indicated by hordes of residents chasing them around Providence shooting at them)they can always initiate diplomacy. This is their responsibility, not ours, though we do make contacts on first incidents and the like. One further note. Look everyone, Hardin is back and making up for lost forum posting time!! =)
SoulBlythe KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.29 22:20:00 - [102] Originally by: Pezzle Edited by: Pezzle on 29/10/2007 21:30:38 The KOS list is reviewed frequently. I am sorry that we do not have the time to go through it and contact every entity on a regular basis and ask if they are still the enemy. Wait! No I am not! If someone has a problem being on the list (general indicated by hordes of residents chasing them around Providence shooting at them)they can always initiate diplomacy. This is their responsibility, not ours, though we do make contacts on first incidents and the like. One further note. Look everyone, Hardin is back and making up for lost forum posting time!! =) See Pez, I have been trying to contact some, anyone to figure out what can be done (no we are not KOS) to fix these current issues. I have been trying for over 6 months now. I get passed around, ignored, give the same kind off cookie cutter answers we see from the GM's in-game (no offense but great reference fact), and pretty much treated as a flea on the bottom of a dog's ********. thanks to people like Hardin, resolution is close at hand. ====================== CEO - KVA Noble Inc. Split Infinity Radio DJ Host of the EvE Online show, Singularity (Wednesdays 4pm-7pm est / 9pm - Midnight bst)
Holocost	Posted - 2007.10.30 00:17:00 - [103] what ever happened to PIE inc?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:51:00 - [104] Originally by: Holocost what ever happened to PIE inc? We're still around, doing the Amarrian thing. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Conlin Gallente Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.31 16:25:00 - [105] Originally by: Hardin I have been away from EVE due to a couple of RL holidays over the past month and as a response have not been able to keep up to date with the unusual meanderings of CAOD. A FEW PROVIDENCE FACTS 1) CVA and Ushra'khan don't work together 2) CVA and Enh/AzA don't work together 3) Contrary to popular opinion not everyone who holds space in Providence is: a) A CVA 'holder' or b) Under our protection 4) Slammers were not a CVA Holder nor were they under our protection. Other groups in Providence have through their actions proved 'worthy'* and do indeed qualify as 'Holders' and receive our assistance as and when necessary. A prime example of this is Paxton. 5) Slammers did help CVA in the siege of 9UY - for their own reasons - primarily because UK had recruited enemies such as Enh / Evoke / BUM and others in their effort to hold onto the station. 6) Because CVA has always allowed 'neutral' entities to operate in Providence (in the same way that neutrals can operate in Amarr space) we recognised Slammers claim on their part of Providence and indeed for a short period assisted them to maintain that claim. 7) Regular displays of incompetence, lack of communication and downright stupidity from Slammers led to an internal CVA decision to withdraw CVA protection from Slammers (which had never been officially provided at any rate). This preceeded the AzA campaign and happened many months ago. 8) While it may be cold hearted our view was that we were not going to put our assets on the line for Slammers when they demonstrated no appreciable diplomatic or PvP capabilities. The view was that if Slammers wanted to hold on to a chunk of Providence then they would have to do so on their own. 9) When AzA decided to launch its campaign on Slammers we were unconcerned. Our HONEST opinion was that Slammers could: a) Successfully hold onto their space - in which case good luck to them. or b) Lose their space to our enemies. While this on the face of it looks like a stupid option it would give CVA the freedom to turf the enemies out and reclaim those systems properly. This would allow us to provide the level of security and protection that is provided elsewhere in Providence, which we could not implement properly while Slammers held Sov and simply didn't cooperate with us at a worthwhile level. While the CVA is by no means fans of Enh/UK/AzA I have to admit internally we were more than happy to see them push Slammers out. Slammers had proved themselves incapable, incoherent and unworthy of our assistance and we were more than happy to see them replaced by enemies who we could 'legitimately' remove and replace. So from our viewpoint AzA/Enh/UK have actually done us a favour whether they wanted to or not... I suppose taken in that context you could say that we were actually working together - even if that was by no means an agreed or planned consequence. *'Worthy' does not = rent. Worthy means playing an active role in Providence vs those who would seek to engender chaos in the area. Being active and 'worthy' involves the regular and neighbourly sharing of information, intelligence, and in general working with both CVA and other Holders to protect their space and keep the spacelanes clear for neutral and friendly traffic. Good examples of the worthy are Sylph, Paxton, s3verance, Cold Steel, Aegis Militia. Well we did ya favour , do us one get back on holiday !!
Alois Hammer Minmatar Hammers Slammers Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2007.11.01 06:58:00 - [106] wow , and i haven't even posted yet!! 4 pages??? sheesh.....ok well here goes.... we are re-organising atmm . we just had a Slamm-Con (many thanks to the owners of the local strip-joint for providing the location and the countless pitchers of beer... ) Providence has been our home since our inception , and since the begining of our aliance , we have been in a fight on a daily basis. we have more hours logged in fights than any other alliance .As a industrial alliance , i myself am damn proud to have the name Slammers republic on the side of our ships , to be able to display such tenacity and courage; to go back into the fires day after day , only to be finaly overwhelmed by superior numbers that this chosen few has been resisting since day one. This fight has just began , Slammers dont die , we just go to hell to regroup . P.S to all the Slammers that have lost their underware at Slamm-con , i am happy to say the girls have them hanging on their "kill-boards" Alois Hammer humble leader of the True and Right
Darc Kaahar I threw petrol on the fire and now I have no arms	Posted - 2007.11.01 07:59:00 - [107] Originally by: Alois Hammer wow , and i haven't even posted yet!! 4 pages??? sheesh.....ok well here goes.... we are re-organising atmm . we just had a Slamm-Con (many thanks to the owners of the local strip-joint for providing the location and the countless pitchers of beer... ) Providence has been our home since our inception , and since the begining of our aliance , we have been in a fight on a daily basis. we have more hours logged in fights than any other alliance .As a industrial alliance , i myself am damn proud to have the name Slammers republic on the side of our ships , to be able to display such tenacity and courage; to go back into the fires day after day , only to be finaly overwhelmed by superior numbers that this chosen few has been resisting since day one. This fight has just began , Slammers dont die , we just go to hell to regroup . P.S to all the Slammers that have lost their underware at Slamm-con , i am happy to say the girls have them hanging on their "kill-boards" Alois Hammer humble leader of the True and Right D.P.'s got that crazy ** We keep it crunked-up, John Blazed and You would rather have a Lexus? or justice? a dream? or some substance? A Beamer? a necklace? or freedom? Still a *** like me don't playa-hate, I just stay awake
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:05:00 - [108] OK just to add my own 2 cents for all it is worth. For one it took us 2 years of hard work to get into CVA and well no ones perfect but your not gonna find another group anywere that is gonna say ok your nuetral go on through most will just blow you outta the sky as quick as you entered so setting here whining about CVA on that account is just stupid. As for BE we did try to stop them from killing us and nuetrals, but to give them thier dues as they did us they are some smart guys with a very good idea (thanks for that idea btw ) As for slammers well i think Hardin, and Low said that well enough as did the UK guys. I give UK props btw for being stand up guys in this post I was really surprised. But O'well i stand on the grounds of If you dont like nrds or CVA well i guess you dont need to be in prov. other than that i think ive said my peace So everyone fly safe and those who are KOS see you on the battlefield

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