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lin ta
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Posted - 2007.11.02 09:33:00 -
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 Originally by: AshtarDJ
NOT signed.
With the new tier 2 BCs there were 2 overpowered boats: The drake (cuz of it's tank) and the myrm (cuz of the insane DPS while still being able to maintain a good tank). The drake got nerfed rly quickly, now it's time for the myrm. I like the new change.
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actually the cane was the first, removed a turret. with 7 still wasn't at the dps of the current myrm. and it wasn't just the drake that got the hp reduction, all bc did.
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Entilzah Valen
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Posted - 2007.11.02 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Entilzah Valen on 02/11/2007 13:01:09
Who remembers 10 Heavy Drone Thoraxes?
I bet half of you don't.
Anyone? Hmmm?
/unsigned.
Wanna rat? Get a damn battleship.
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.11.02 13:00:00 -
[213]
/signed
dont nerf the myrmidon
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.02 13:00:00 -
[214]
/signed
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deadmeet
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Posted - 2007.11.02 13:34:00 -
[215]
All myrmidon flyer will sign....
All non myrmidon flyer will unsign...
So it's an useless post...
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Ricky1989
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.02 15:10:00 -
[216]
/notsigned.
Love Ricky1989.
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Arushia
Nova Labs
Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.11.02 19:14:00 -
[217]
Please, give it a 4th heavy, otherwise it's just an overpriced vexor.
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Jagdgewehr
Layered Orbital Logistics and Industrial Supply
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:27:00 -
[218]
If the issue with the Myrmidon is that it does too much gank'n'tank with 5 heavies, 6 turrets, and the ability to field a massive, bonused tank... then, well...
Reduce its turret slots/grid so that you have to make the choice between gank and tank? Given that tier 2 BCs are supposed to be gank-y, why not remove the tanking bonus, too? No clue what to replace it with, but why in the world would you make a battlecruiser that's supposed to be THE drone boat for its size... and turn it into something a Vexor can out-DPS? The drones are the reason to fly it, so reduce other areas while letting it maintain the drones.
As someone else said, the shield recharge nerf is enough to make the drones easier to kill.
Same logic applies for the Eos, really. But everyone just screams "5 HEAVY DRONES OH GOD I CAN'T POSSIBLY HANDLE THAT MUCH DAMAGE!  " and... welp. 
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Luthair StoneDog
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.11.03 00:59:00 -
[219]
Originally by: deadmeet
All myrmidon flyer will sign....
All non myrmidon flyer will unsign...
So it's an useless post...
/unsigned
I'm a very highly skilled drone *****... The Ishtar should be better than the Myrm.. and let's face it, the Myrm has not been killed by this, just brought more in line with her pricetag.
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Tral Kul
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Posted - 2007.11.03 01:57:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Entilzah Valen
Edited by: Entilzah Valen on 02/11/2007 13:01:09
Who remembers 10 Heavy Drone Thoraxes?
I bet half of you don't.
Anyone? Hmmm?
/unsigned.
Wanna rat? Get a damn battleship.
I'd further bet that even those that do remember were actually the ones complaining that it 'wasn't fair' to nerf the thorax like that.
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Jagdgewehr
Layered Orbital Logistics and Industrial Supply
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Posted - 2007.11.03 03:17:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Tral Kul
Originally by: Entilzah Valen
Edited by: Entilzah Valen on 02/11/2007 13:01:09
Who remembers 10 Heavy Drone Thoraxes?
I bet half of you don't.
Anyone? Hmmm?
/unsigned.
Wanna rat? Get a damn battleship.
I'd further bet that even those that do remember were actually the ones complaining that it 'wasn't fair' to nerf the thorax like that.
At least with the drone re-balance during that time, there were lag issues and drone interfacing was changed to make up for the loss. A t1 cruiser lobbing around heavies can be seen as a bit much now. A battlecruiser designed to lob 5 heavies and balanced around that, rather than having its ability to field them stripped? Not so much.
Now there's nothing but nerf, nerf, nerf with nothing but crybabies to blame for it.
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Tral Kul
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Posted - 2007.11.04 02:43:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Jagdgewehr
Originally by: Tral Kul
Originally by: Entilzah Valen
Edited by: Entilzah Valen on 02/11/2007 13:01:09
Who remembers 10 Heavy Drone Thoraxes?
I bet half of you don't.
Anyone? Hmmm?
/unsigned.
Wanna rat? Get a damn battleship.
I'd further bet that even those that do remember were actually the ones complaining that it 'wasn't fair' to nerf the thorax like that.
At least with the drone re-balance during that time, there were lag issues and drone interfacing was changed to make up for the loss. A t1 cruiser lobbing around heavies can be seen as a bit much now. A battlecruiser designed to lob 5 heavies and balanced around that, rather than having its ability to field them stripped? Not so much.
Now there's nothing but nerf, nerf, nerf with nothing but crybabies to blame for it.
Right, a battlecruiser with one of the best tanks for its class (yes the drake is probably the best but the myri is close) and argueably the most dps at the same time.
Yeah that's completely balanced.....wait no it isn't.
The only crybabies here are the people that didn't see this nerf coming a mile away.
PS the myri was NEVER designed to lob heavies, it's been stated before that myri got 125m3 so that it could field at least 2 wings of mediums and 1 of lights (which makes sense).
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.04 05:29:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Entilzah Valen
Edited by: Entilzah Valen on 02/11/2007 13:01:09
Who remembers 10 Heavy Drone Thoraxes?
I bet half of you don't.
Anyone? Hmmm?
/unsigned.
Wanna rat? Get a damn battleship.
If i can rat angels in a tech 1 arbitrator with 500k in drone skills and no guns fitted, then you all can rat anything in the new myrm or a vexor.
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Ev1lD
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Posted - 2007.11.04 09:49:00 -
[224]
signed
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The RedSun
Goats In Coats
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Posted - 2007.11.04 10:21:00 -
[225]
Edited by: The RedSun on 04/11/2007 10:24:19
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
/Unsinged
Heavy drones are a large weapon supposed to be used by battleships.
I don't see a harbinger capable of fitting 5 Mega Pulse Lasers, do you?
lol LOL
Signed !!!!!
and Signed again !!
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Also i can understand part of the EOS nerf but havin the room to have 5 heavy drone but u just can not lauch them makes me cry.
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Dzajic
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.04 11:00:00 -
[226]
OK, but Myrm Eos and Vexor having basically same damage potential, only difference being tank??? Is that really like it should be?
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Car Wars
The Coalition Of Buccaneers
Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2007.11.04 12:00:00 -
[227]
they myrmidon needs to be more inline wiht other droneboats like dominix and ishtar, vexor:
They have turrets and a damage bonus, they lack the powergrid to fit top end guns AND a tank.
Their is nothing wrong with a gank myrmidon with 7x blasters, 5 heavys and a weak tank, thats a choice. On the otherhand if you want to do a dual med rep tank you will need to switch to small guns and 5 heavys. Its BC, it should be hard to kill.
So gimp its powergrid and keep the ability to use 5 heavy drones, it was promised to be a droneboat, so please do not make it use 5 mediums. Whats the dps from 5 heavys? 400 dps? thats not much, you will have to wait and see someones tank fail cap wise.
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Braise Erighani
Gallente
Galaxia Entertainment
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Posted - 2007.11.04 12:25:00 -
[228]
/signed
and to EFT warriors : you fail.
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Johnatan
VVS Corporition
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.11.04 22:30:00 -
[229]
/signed
If i could kill guns of any other BC it would be overpowered. But till you cant lock and shoot guns of your enemy this ships is in line with other BC.
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General Brothel
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Posted - 2007.11.05 02:30:00 -
[230]
Edited by: General Brothel on 05/11/2007 02:31:45
/signed
Myrmidon without 5 t2 ogre - is not myrmidon
or make bonuses for hybrid damage - some hybrid damage and tracking/optimal
or keep drone ability - 5 heavy/sentry
or down Bandwith for logistick drones - for 15 for heavy shield/armor
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White Don
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Posted - 2007.11.07 16:27:00 -
[231]
/me and my corp signed
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Incantare
Caldari
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:03:00 -
[232]
Sign all you want, you're not stopping the nerf bat.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:44:00 -
[233]
Quote:
If i could kill guns of any other BC it would be overpowered.
You can û it's called ewar. And guess what? Drones are largely immune to ewar!
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Eka Maladay
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:40:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Gypsio III
Quote:
If i could kill guns of any other BC it would be overpowered.
You can û it's called ewar. And guess what? Drones are largely immune to ewar!
Drone are ONLY immune to ewar, it can be destroyed by -any- weapon. Plus it also have a counter measure made almost specifically against it, smartbomb.
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Plekto
Priory Of The Lemon
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.07 22:39:00 -
[235]
^^^^
People need to realize that ONE medium smartbomb will obliterate drones faster than most pilots can recall them. Almost all Cruiser and larger ships have an empty high slot or two now. Fit one medium and suddenly the Mrym is castrated.
What's the guy going to do? The drones pop from a couple of hits, so they can't keep them out. With the drones docked, it's no better than a good Cruiser. Maybe a tier 1 BC, if that. Kind of like running a Prophecy, actually - really really useless in combat without the drones.
ONE Medium smartbomb keeps the drones from being launches(or pulled in in seconds). It doesn't need a nerf.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 23:15:00 -
[236]
Quote:
People need to realize that ONE medium smartbomb will obliterate drones faster than most pilots can recall them. Almost all Cruiser and larger ships have an empty high slot or two now. Fit one medium and suddenly the Mrym is castrated.
1. It really won't. It'll work better as a self-neuting device.
2. Won't work in highsec wars particularly well, or outside stations or gates, where most small-gang combat occurs
3. PG/CPU requirements mean that fitting that smartie can be hard/impossible. A Drake has an 8th high but not the fittings to put much in it, for example.
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Andre Coeurl
Gallente
TOHA Heavy Industries
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.08 19:35:00 -
[237]
The nerf-lovers are still forgetting that the myrm can do its theoretical damage at very short range, where: its blaster will eat cap fast, cap needed to sustain the tank, it will be vulnerable to nos, it will have sustained damage while engaging, and its drones can be shot off, bombed, engaged by the enemy's drones...
So, if you all still think the myrm DPS is too high, remove the chance to fit 1 or 2 turrets, but leave the drones as they are!
WHY a specifical DRONE BC should be able to field the SAME HIGH END DRONES A VEXOR CAN?
(vexor cost = 1\10th myrm cost)
"Drone BC" should mean that drones are the strong point, so a Myrm should field 5 heavy combat drones if the pilot loves risk, OR 5 heavy remote reppers for support, OR various combinations of smaller drones.
Otherwise it will become an hugely overpriced Vexor, having more tank but proportionally larger signature, dullness and slowness.
Is this really so sensible and righteous?
As far as I've seen, a lot of the "nerf-lovers" continue to say "nerf the myrm" only because their favourite ships got nerfed too, a short or a long time ago...
I can understand your bitterness, but that's the wrong way to go on IMO.
I believe we dont't want to play "NERF-online", a game where you train months and spend money, time and efforts to be able to use your favourite ship, only to be frustrated the next month when it becomes a shiny piece of expensive junk, right?
So we better try to be more objective, put bitterness aside (even if it arises from good reasons) and look towards a better way to balance those few things that REALLY need it, without adding further frustration to the people who like this game.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.11.08 19:47:00 -
[238]
/unsigned
Say no to battlecruisers using a full rack of battleship weapons.
CFW (Certified Forum Warrior)
I kill people ingame too.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
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Lionel Redstar
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Posted - 2007.11.14 11:44:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
/unsigned
Say no to battlecruisers using a full rack of battleship weapons.
And what that "full rack of battleship weapons" is? A myrm can't fit large hybrids because of the power req. What are those "battleship weapons" you speak about? No.. don't tell me ... are the heavy drones?
Is myrm supose to use heavy drones ? YES beacuse it is a drone boat. YES because it is a BATTLEcruiser and is supose to be somehow stronger than a cruiser, even a T2 one. It is stronger than a Ishtar? In some way yes, but on a overall NO. A HAC strong points are the speed and the T2 resists, things that a BC don't have. So stop comparing those two ship clases.
P.S. I really would like to see how all of those "/unsigned/nerf the **" would react if their long and hard skilled toys would be nerfed.
/signed again
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Bishop 5
Gallente
The Flying Tigers
STELLAR LEGION
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:52:00 -
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To all those saying 'heavy drones are BS sized weapons'
vexor can launch them, so can any drone ship with 25mb bandwidth - ISHKUR included, so maybe they can't fit the full 5 but they can still launch them.
So please, go find another argument.
Drones are easily killed and expensive to replace - do you have to worry about replacing your HAMII's to enemy fire after every fight? Or your T2 Pulse lasers? No. You don't.
Leave the Myr's drones alone and nerf the amount of turrets it gets, or give it the extra slot it's missing compared to the other teir 2 BC's.
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