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Eikl	Posted - 2007.10.25 23:57:00 - [1] There are already too many posts on nano gangs, counters, how the counters don't work, how nanos are the new warp stabs, blah blah blah. Since it's the internet, I'll start another one anyway. Put the 'W' back in MWD. Treat them like normal warp drives. When it's on, you can't target anything and you lose drone control. They're for closing or fleeing only. Wanna go faster in combat? Buy an afterburner. Short and simple. Discuss!
Eikl	Posted - 2007.10.25 23:57:00 - [2] There are already too many posts on nano gangs, counters, how the counters don't work, how nanos are the new warp stabs, blah blah blah. Since it's the internet, I'll start another one anyway. Put the 'W' back in MWD. Treat them like normal warp drives. When it's on, you can't target anything and you lose drone control. They're for closing or fleeing only. Wanna go faster in combat? Buy an afterburner. Short and simple. Discuss!
Darkstar Deceiver	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:00:00 - [3] people like you ruin eve. go away. i hate you seriously
Darkstar Deceiver	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:00:00 - [4] people like you ruin eve. go away. i hate you seriously
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Darkstar Deceiver people like you ruin eve. go away. i hate you seriously yeah you make such a better statement... ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:04:00 - [6] Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/10/2007 00:23:12 Originally by: Darkstar Deceiver people like you ruin eve. go away. i hate you seriously yeah you make such a better statement... ok I've given it some though. double the time it takes to lock when using a MWD. Then let them be used in deadspace... maybe? Finally, Decrease how powerful they are unless your using fuel, kind like cloaking. or just the last idea about fuel. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:05:00 - [7] the guy has a good point, and they can give interceptors the ability to use mwd and target as role bonues in fact this would open the way for a heavy interceptors ect. Join The Fight With Promo Today
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:05:00 - [8] the guy has a good point, and they can give interceptors the ability to use mwd and target as role bonues in fact this would open the way for a heavy interceptors ect. Join The Fight With Promo Today
I SoStoned	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:13:00 - [9] Put in a few more effective counters to OMGZOOOOOOOM nanogangs and all will be well. A speed killing super-fast missile would be great. As would cruiser/BS webs that reach considerably beyond 10km (20km & 30km respectively) would also help out alot. Extended range on inty warp scramble is going to open a whole bloody kettle of worms that will have exactly 1 counter: Minmatar recons, and that's it, period. Speed has repeatedly and consistantly caused massive problems since day 1, and has been adjusted and nerfed with almost every major patch, and a lot of minor patches, for years. The only way to bring speed within the dynamic of the game is to place a cap to speed for each shipclass, or particular ship (by bonuses) which becomes harder to attain the closer one gets, would balance things out a great deal.
I SoStoned	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:13:00 - [10] Put in a few more effective counters to OMGZOOOOOOOM nanogangs and all will be well. A speed killing super-fast missile would be great. As would cruiser/BS webs that reach considerably beyond 10km (20km & 30km respectively) would also help out alot. Extended range on inty warp scramble is going to open a whole bloody kettle of worms that will have exactly 1 counter: Minmatar recons, and that's it, period. Speed has repeatedly and consistantly caused massive problems since day 1, and has been adjusted and nerfed with almost every major patch, and a lot of minor patches, for years. The only way to bring speed within the dynamic of the game is to place a cap to speed for each shipclass, or particular ship (by bonuses) which becomes harder to attain the closer one gets, would balance things out a great deal.

couger malthas Amarr No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:17:00 - [11] personly i dont like to flame people but FFS all i hear is crying, wanna know something, i want to go back to the days where you can get a cepter up to 300km/s thats the changes i want see... _______________________________________________
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:23:00 - [12] No need for things like that. Just keep the sig radius penalty as it is and cut the speed boost by half. There. Now you'd have a reason to use afterburners. In compensation to interceptors, you could increase their base speeds by 50%.
Das Lol Gallente Internet Space Fighters	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:27:00 - [13] Wow. What a remarkably bad idea. The answer is no.
Steyr Daghan	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:36:00 - [14] Edited by: Steyr Daghan on 26/10/2007 00:36:48 Originally by: Das Lol Wow. What a remarkably bad idea. The answer is no. And why exactly is that such a bad idea? EDIT: Assuming you were responding to the OP.
Darkstarr	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Reem Fairchild No need for things like that. Just keep the sig radius penalty as it is and cut the speed boost by half. There. Now you'd have a reason to use afterburners. In compensation to interceptors, you could increase their base speeds by 50%. ^^ Only post in this thread worth reading... I'd go a bit further to say INCREASE the sig radius penalty. I love 'ceptors but piloting one makes combat too easy... ---FAST FACT--- Exxon Mobil, the U.S.'s largest oil firm, reported annual earnings last year of $36.1 Billion, or $1146 a second, a record for any U.S. corp.
Grapez Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:39:00 - [16] Edited by: Grapez on 26/10/2007 00:42:08 Nerfing MWD's will never happen. I'd guess 90% (or more?) of everyone's PvP setups include a MWD, and any significant nerf is going to bring these forums to their knees. IMO, if they're supposed to be micro warp drives, I say warp scambing a MWD'ing ship should have an effect. The description on MWD's says that they have a "warp containment field," just like a regular warp drive. Maybe scramming a MWD'ing ship should increase the sig radius further. EDIT: To be fair, it's not right to say that they only counter to nano ships are Minmatar recons. In Rev3, we'll have a T2 Minmatar frig that gets a web range bonus. These ships should be cheap enough (in skills and ISK) to be incorporated into almost any gang.
Passcal The Evil Ducks The Nexus Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Grapez Edited by: Grapez on 26/10/2007 00:42:08 IMO, if they're supposed to be micro warp drives, I say warp scambing a MWD'ing ship should have an effect. The description on MWD's says that they have a "warp containment field," just like a regular warp drive. Maybe scramming a MWD'ing ship should increase the sig radius further. Actually thats not a terrible idea. It does make sense that a MWD would not work when scrambled as it is just a warp drive. Recruitment Video.....Kinda
NOK NOK Bounteous Immortals TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:50:00 - [18] here is the answer u seek. Fly a Rapier or Huggin.. end of story... 60% web range per level... inty's die.. any nano ship dies.. or make sure you move faster than the nano ship.. think logically people! CEO of Bounteous Immortals Talionis Alliance Bounteous we are, Immortal you are not....
Grapez Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.10.26 01:06:00 - [19] Edited by: Grapez on 26/10/2007 01:06:50 Originally by: NOK NOK here is the answer u seek. Fly a Rapier or Huggin.. end of story... 60% web range per level... inty's die.. any nano ship dies.. or make sure you move faster than the nano ship.. think logically people! This is something, but it's surely not logical. Okay, so the counter to a tactic is a specific ship? No. When it became obvious that supercaps were overpowered, we got interdictors and warp disrupt bubbles. These were items that were available to every race, and are in fact a very good counter to supercaps. When it became obvious that nano gangs are overpowered, you suggest that we all spend the next 20 days training for two very specific ships, which are only available to one race and are at best only a deterrent to nano gangs.
Sister MaryElephant	Posted - 2007.10.26 01:27:00 - [20] Originally by: Eikl There are already too many posts on nano gangs, counters, how the counters don't work, how nanos are the new warp stabs, blah blah blah. Since it's the internet, I'll start another one anyway. Put the 'W' back in MWD. Treat them like normal warp drives. When it's on, you can't target anything and you lose drone control. They're for closing or fleeing only. Wanna go faster in combat? Buy an afterburner. Short and simple. Discuss! Would a name change help? How about: More Whiney Drivel

SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.10.26 01:30:00 - [21] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 26/10/2007 01:30:53 Guuuhh... what's wrong with MWDs again? Tarminic? Is that you?
Malena Panic Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.26 01:32:00 - [22] It looks like folks on E-O have realized that aggressive screaming trumps actual discussion here as elsewhere on the interweb but I think it's kind of a cool idea to think about. You could have a quick approach/flee module that breaks locks, OR a tactical speed module. Either way speed tanking is nerfed pretty hard, while speed retains lots of tactical application. Not a bad idea.
Jacob Castillo Caldari Copperhead Inc. Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.26 01:38:00 - [23] I vote no, MWDs as a mod are fine.
Turin Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.26 01:42:00 - [24] MWD's are fine and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. _________________________________
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.26 01:49:00 - [25] Originally by: Eikl Short and simple. Discuss! Is that a description of you These days I fly a 5km/s rapier with 44km webs. And before you carry on with the "nano" ship rant, I have to tell you, there are no nanos on my ship, nor do vagas use them. You are sooo last patch Our gangs use speed fit rapiers and Huginns...can you guess why? I do absolutely no dps as I carry a cyno as well, but hey, its a team game, and I just one small piece of the gang But no one gets back to gate, and we can counter speed set ups. Stop crying for nerfs and maybe change your tactics a little. For example 8 man gang vs 30 today, we kill 22 and lose 4. Sorry but that is how we roll I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Pudnucker Boennerup Banden	Posted - 2007.10.26 02:04:00 - [26] Great idea! If you're trying to completely and utterly ruin Piracy and PvP for those who don't fight in fleet battles. Yep, this thread has a massive rhetoric to diatribe ratio, replete with lack of perspective. Originally by: Copine Callmeknau PROJECTILE WEAPONS ARE CORPSE LAUNCHERS! LASERS ARE SOUL CANNONS!
Gentle Glide Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.26 02:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Eikl Short and simple. Discuss! Is that a description of you These days I fly a 5km/s rapier with 44km webs. And before you carry on with the "nano" ship rant, I have to tell you, there are no nanos on my ship, nor do vagas use them. You are sooo last patch Our gangs use speed fit rapiers and Huginns...can you guess why? I do absolutely no dps as I carry a cyno as well, but hey, its a team game, and I just one small piece of the gang But no one gets back to gate, and we can counter speed set ups. Stop crying for nerfs and maybe change your tactics a little. For example 8 man gang vs 30 today, we kill 22 and lose 4. Sorry but that is how we roll Your e-peen is showing...
Yaay Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.26 02:17:00 - [28] I can't say I love the idea, but I definitely love the direction you're taking things. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619019IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.26 02:23:00 - [29] MWD's are fine (and NECESSARY). It's when you combine other mods like nanofibers, overdrives, istabs, and rigs with them that it gets stupid. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Krychton Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.10.26 02:27:00 - [30] Originally by: Eikl There are already too many posts on nano gangs, counters, how the counters don't work, how nanos are the new warp stabs, blah blah blah. Since it's the internet, I'll start another one anyway. Put the 'W' back in MWD. Treat them like normal warp drives. When it's on, you can't target anything and you lose drone control. They're for closing or fleeing only. Wanna go faster in combat? Buy an afterburner. Short and simple. Discuss! Great idea, get rid of interceptors while we're at it. Since with your idea tackling would be rendered useless anyway. ---- \|Omerta Syndicate\|



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