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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:00:00 -
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nice to see the skill got slipped in today
but papa
is it MEANT to be 40 mil (!)
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:10:00 -
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nice to see the skill got slipped in today
but papa
is it MEANT to be 40 mil (!)
that is more than you will ever save using that skill..
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Schizoid
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:11:00 -
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Seems a bit steep to me o_O
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Jullyx
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:19:00 -
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What!!!!! Is it out!!!!!
40 Million for it??? Again, only megacorps will be able to buy them ... and I thought CCP was NOT favouring megacorps anymore :(
Are they beein sold just on markets or just being 'delivered' as drop loot?
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Lomex
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:19:00 -
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Does at least mean it'll be more specialized.
But given a lottery method, really not sure its worth it. All it means is you are entered in more lotteries.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:21:00 -
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That kinda seems a ridiculous price...
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:24:00 -
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someone misplaced a decimal point, obviously
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Fausto
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:26:00 -
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Finally. I'll pay 40m without a problem for that one:)
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:28:00 -
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Great news here I go. No wonder I had a feeling not buy a BS.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:45:00 -
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40 million to have 5 Research agents nagging you every evening?
Also some basic questions aint yet been answered on RPM skill...
Can you initiate multiple research with the same agent if he has a selection of skills for instance?
Can you start the same research field with another agent which you are already researching?
etc.
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Jocca Quinn
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Posted - 2004.02.26 14:00:00 -
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It is a Rank 8 skill (battleship level) so I guess its supposed to be 4 million isk.
Then again the price maybe correct. 
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as long as one of us is chained
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Khyle
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Posted - 2004.02.26 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: Khyle on 26/02/2004 14:09:09
I have to admit, id buy it instantly at 40Million IF i knew that this really is the final price and there to stay.
With 5 agents nagging, i only do mission for my agent when im in the mood anyway, and have no problems just ignoring the lot (still a lot of RP a day if you have 3 or 4 of them, even if you ignore them all).
Cost efficiency and saving money? frankly, if cost efficiency mattered that much much less things would be done by much less ppl in BS (f.e. try to calculate the break even point of mining in a BS in safe space compared to a thorax, its insane). Its all about fun and your style (though i fail to see the fun in BS strip mining in 1.0, but alas ppl differ)
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.26 14:30:00 -
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err dont ask me why but i thought the post was regarding scrap metal processing, heh.
hmm maybe the skill is worth 40m then =P
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 26/02/2004 14:54:37
"40 Million for it??? Again, only megacorps will be able to buy them ... and I thought CCP was NOT favouring megacorps anymore :("
... I'd check if it isn't someone re-selling them with the markup, first. :s
edit: nm, from discussion in the Skills section it seems that's real NPC price. o.o;
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Cirle
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:16:00 -
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So, for ships we have enforced specialisation by high skill training costs and rarity of construction (interceptors) and now for research we have enforced specialisation by high skill training cost and the sheer cost of the new skill.
Not that I disagree, mind you, but I would guess this will force the skill purchase into the larger corps or the very specialised researchers. It does seem rather house of cards though; buy this skill for a lot to try to get a BPO which you can use with increasingly rare components which can only be gained from people doing missions they find boring (at the moment) or from people requesting you build the items, etc...
Despite training most of the skills up for this, I think I will end up giving it a miss... for the simple reason that I already hate seeing the 'feed me' mail from my current research agent every day, and I am not sure that I could cope with three of them :(
It would appear to have been foolish to try researching Rockets :)
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:18:00 -
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Sweet, better get that ASAP! 
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:58:00 -
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I got mine.
I'll look forward to getting those 6 eve-mails every day.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2004.02.26 17:52:00 -
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/me thinks it should cost 80,000,000 ISK
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:11:00 -
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/me thinks it should cost 80,000,000 ISK
HAHAHAHAHA!
Of course, he's right, y'know.
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Sanjuro
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:52:00 -
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/me thinks it should cost 80,000,000 ISK
If it'd make you feel better, I'd be willing to sell it to you for 80 mil. 
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Rinji
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Posted - 2004.02.26 19:13:00 -
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So anyone want to lay odds how long it will take to get a dev to say "yes, this is how much it should cost"?
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Roulette
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:56:00 -
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40 Million for it??? Again, only megacorps will be able to buy them ... and I thought CCP was NOT favouring megacorps anymore :(
Uh, I was able to buy one and I'm not in any corp at all.
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Travoid
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Posted - 2004.02.26 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Travoid on 26/02/2004 22:36:25
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What!!!!! Is it out!!!!!
40 Million for it??? Again, only megacorps will be able to buy them ... and I thought CCP was NOT favouring megacorps anymore :(
Are they beein sold just on markets or just being 'delivered' as drop loot?
They are sold on the market, by npcs, lots of them.
About that megacorp thing, i think it evens it out a bit for research characters, quite to the contrary of your opinion.
Many combat oriented types have at least one of the skills needed for research at 5, meaning it takes a maximum of 2 weeks training time to get half decent RP/day (there are even low quality lvl2 agents with skills at 3 out there). Some imagined megacorp could easily have a few dozen ppl not spending any time or real effort on research ammasing a huge heap of RP for the corp.
A single person geared towards research could only try to compete by doing the daily mission, the top training time and resources you could efficiently dedicate to research was very low.
With the skill being rank 8 and at a cost of 40 million, you can spend more training time and resources to get ahead if you plan to have a research oriented character, and singlehandedly produce more RP than half a dozen ppl of above imagined corp.
I dont know how many corps want to spend 40 million each on ppl not having lvl3 agents or that much spare training time.
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2004.02.27 00:34:00 -
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What!!!!! Is it out!!!!!
40 Million for it??? Again, only megacorps will be able to buy them ... and I thought CCP was NOT favouring megacorps anymore :(
Not true, im a solo player and can afford it.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.27 01:07:00 -
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Just bought 5 for the corp.. wouldn't exactly class us as being a mega-corp.
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2004.02.27 08:13:00 -
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The price is as intended - insanely high.
We try not to "unfavour" megacorps either btw. not that this is a megacorp only solution, as many who have bought the skill have already pointed out.
If you aren't serious about it, don't buy it.
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Elithiomel
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Posted - 2004.02.27 08:20:00 -
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Thanks for that Papa Smurf.
Now i can go and buy it, safe in the knowledge that the price is not going to drop 
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Matanga
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Posted - 2004.02.27 09:41:00 -
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Papa please be serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who's going to buy this???
Hard core players
Big Corps
That's it we the new/small corps/freelancers ones that have being doing R&D are being f************ck again.
Now all the MEGA corps that already have 10 members doing R&D will buy the skills and instead of getting 10 Bps will get 40Bps (or maybe more)
Again VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY dissapointed
"ÆIn accordance with the principles of double-think it does not matter if the war is not real. For when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous.Æö
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Gun Kata
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Posted - 2004.02.27 10:05:00 -
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Thats far too much for that skill.
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If you aren't serious about it, don't buy it.
Well, I am serious about it but 40 mil is just way out of my price range for me to purchase. Thanks for that.
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We try not to "unfavour" megacorps either btw. not that this is a megacorp only solution, as many who have bought the skill have already pointed out.
This is favouring the bigger corps/rich players pricing it this way - whether they are 40mil or 4 mil they will still be bought by the big teams. Poor/small corps don't have a chance.
Just my opinion. Please reduce the cost.
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Nikodaemonicus
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Posted - 2004.02.27 10:16:00 -
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Papa please be serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who's going to buy this???
Hard core players
Big Corps
That's it we the new/small corps/freelancers ones that have being doing R&D are being f************ck again.
Now all the MEGA corps that already have 10 members doing R&D will buy the skills and instead of getting 10 Bps will get 40Bps (or maybe more)
Again VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY dissapointed
Dude, pls, be serious :P
10 members doing RD, if they buy 10 skills do you know how much money it will cost? Simple maths, 400 million isk. What do you think a mega corp will do? buy 10 skills or use the money on other things? It's very hard to tell, but stop trolling without any basis. |
Matanga
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Posted - 2004.02.27 10:19:00 -
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10 members doing RD, if they buy 10 skills do you know how much money it will cost? Simple maths, 400 million isk. What do you think a mega corp will do? buy 10 skills or use the money on other things? It's very hard to tell, but stop trolling without any basis.
I'm doing R&D by myself....no corp help (My corp is still a small one)
What do you think I'll do? spend 40M (wich I don't have) on the skill or "use the money on other things?"
It doesn't make a difference...this is favouring hard core/big corp players period
"ÆIn accordance with the principles of double-think it does not matter if the war is not real. For when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous.Æö
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Nikodaemonicus
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Posted - 2004.02.27 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Nikodaemonicus on 27/02/2004 10:48:38
Matanga, I'm a single player, without any corp, and I bought that skill (40M). Sure I can start paying a tie 2 Battleship, but as am I a dedicated RD agent runner, I prefer to spend my well earned money (all my money) buying that skill, and I'm even happier than before :)
It's your choice, do you want to buy it or not?
Edit: on a side note, I can play about 3 hours per day, and I'm still able to pay it- |
Matanga
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Posted - 2004.02.27 10:54:00 -
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I prefer to spend my well earned money (all my money) buying that skill, and I'm even happier than before :)
Good luck and my best wishes for you mate. I really hope you get a nice BP
I rather use the money to hire a killer to murder my R&D agent
"ÆIn accordance with the principles of double-think it does not matter if the war is not real. For when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous.Æö
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2004.02.27 14:24:00 -
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I bought one too. If one of my additional research agents hands me a BP then it was worth the price.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.02.27 14:48:00 -
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Papa please be serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who's going to buy this???
Hard core players
Big Corps
That's it we the new/small corps/freelancers ones that have being doing R&D are being f************ck again.
Now all the MEGA corps that already have 10 members doing R&D will buy the skills and instead of getting 10 Bps will get 40Bps (or maybe more)
Again VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY dissapointed
I'm not disapointed, on the contrary. In real life only the ones with enough money have the research facilities/condition to make a real good breaktrough. I have almost sold my soul to buy this skill. I hoppe the price doesn't go down only to please this whinners. If you are serious about research, invest good money on it. Otherwise every dumb nut can be a scientist.
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Matanga
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Posted - 2004.02.27 15:13:00 -
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I'm not disapointed, on the contrary. In real life only the ones with enough money have the research facilities/condition to make a real good breaktrough.
From day 1 Devs stated the the R&D is the way it is to give a chance to the small corps and freelancers not like in "the real world"
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I have almost sold my soul to buy this skill.
My soul is only worth 25ISK. So chance for me to do that
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I hoppe the price doesn't go down only to please this whinners. If you are serious about research, invest good money on it. Otherwise every dumb nut can be a scientist.
1) Price wont go down....if they change the price now they'll do more harm than good
I'm not asking to change the price
2) You'll be complaining same as me if you didn't have the money to buy it.
Good luck with your R&D
"ÆIn accordance with the principles of double-think it does not matter if the war is not real. For when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous.Æö
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Doppleganger
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Posted - 2004.02.27 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Doppleganger on 27/02/2004 16:07:10
Well I am part of a small corp and I dont find the price too bad. Those that think this is a slap in the face to small corps I dont see it that way at all.
I wish I could get this skill but it isnt the price thats the prob for me its the pre reqs for my char thats as smart as a box of rocks (low intel and memory) so I guess I will have to just make do with my one r&d agent.
I dont think 40 mil is a bad price to pay to get 5x more chance to get a bp that might make a few hundred mil in sales.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.02.27 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 27/02/2004 16:20:20
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2) You'll be complaining same as me if you didn't have the money to buy it.
No i wouldn't. If you complained less and played more perhaps you would have the isk to buy it.
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Phaethon
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Posted - 2004.02.27 16:21:00 -
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Any info on the abilities and or limits on the RPM skill.
Can I, or can I not:
Research multiple fields with the same agent? eg. Rocket + Starship
Research the same field with more than one agent?
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Cremytos
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Posted - 2004.02.27 17:00:00 -
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C¦mon the price-issue. If I woke up monday morning and wanted it I would buy it after DT wednesday. I have Apocalypse though but if you have a Thorax and basic mining drones you would still have it friday. And this is WIThIN Empire Space as my implants makes we not often go outside this borders.
About the stats for the skill I to are very interested in that. Can you for instant have multiple projects with the same agent, or does it have to be different corporations even?
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.02.27 17:17:00 -
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Question of the hour, and maybe I shouldn't ask this, but I'd rather have the dev's know a potential mistep before it happens:
Are the institutions that carry this skill going to award it as part of their 'random mission bonus?'
If the reward table comes from just a list of 'all skills', then these become 40 million isk missions.
I -hope- this skill's out of that running, or at least reserved for level 4 or 5 agent missions.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.02.27 17:26:00 -
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Any info on the abilities and or limits on the RPM skill.
Can I, or can I not:
Research multiple fields with the same agent? eg. Rocket + Starship
Research the same field with more than one agent?
Good questions which I have also asked on occasion.
Anyone know the answer?
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.02.27 18:03:00 -
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Good questions which I have also asked on occasion.
Anyone know the answer?
I don't have anything definative, just experience. But I've cranked through a couple hundred missions or so with Fed Navy Academy (be it reject or accept), and I've gotten a ton of skills, and the most expensive skill I ever got was Cruise Missile.
I'm not sure if they have a list of banned skills, or if it does it based on value, but that's just my experience.
Has anyone else gotten anything crazy, like large turrets, battleship, or jump drive skills?
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.02.27 18:27:00 -
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Hopefully it won't drop from agents, doubt it somehow as I think the drops are all value based.
Kinda steep but it does tend to seperate the serious agent runner from the casuals. Noone is going to invest both the time, skills and money involved to run more than one agent unless theyre pretty serious bout their agent running. Though I do feel for the poorer agent runners :-(
About the only alternative I can see was to have it as a drop from agents and there are problems with that as well.
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Viduus
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Posted - 2004.02.27 18:31:00 -
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I'm not sure about that...
Tech1 skills drop based on value from my experience, but "Tech2" skills don't seem to follow the same rule.
F.Ex. I've gotten 2 Frigate Construction as a reward (Tech1, technically, but required? for T2 ship CST), and 2 Gallente Starship Engineering as a bonus as well.
Technically speaking, these skills have a much higher value than anything assigned to "regular" bonus rewards, though we have no NPC price to base comparison on...
But I doubt it as well, just on the principle that they wouldn't make it so costly just to start handing them out.
(Although +4 Perc. imps got 50mill, and they're a "handout"...)
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2004.02.27 18:32:00 -
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Quote:
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Any info on the abilities and or limits on the RPM skill.
Can I, or can I not:
Research multiple fields with the same agent? eg. Rocket + Starship
Research the same field with more than one agent?
Good questions which I have also asked on occasion.
Anyone know the answer?
I might be wrong, but as far as I know the situation is this:
- You can't research more than one field with the same agent
- You can research the same field with multiple agents
I'm not definite about these, and it's based on some Chaos testing from a while back, so it may well be wrong/obsolete.
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Rinekar
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Posted - 2004.02.27 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Rinekar on 27/02/2004 19:38:19
It would be nice to have this be a high standing agent reward drop as well (i.e. 8.0 - 9.99 standing with the given lvl3 agent)Maybe if this was implimented you could only get the reward once as a drop and not again. However I do not know if this is possible. Just an idea...
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Qual
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Posted - 2004.02.27 19:56:00 -
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I might be wrong, but as far as I know the situation is this:
- You can't research more than one field with the same agent
- You can research the same field with multiple agents
I'm not definite about these, and it's based on some Chaos testing from a while back, so it may well be wrong/obsolete.
That is correct. And lets specify that.
- You can't research more than one PROJECT with the same agent
- You can research the same field with multiple agents
Regards,
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Qual
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Posted - 2004.02.27 20:03:00 -
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Now all the MEGA corps that already have 10 members doing R&D will buy the skills and instead of getting 10 Bps will get 40Bps (or maybe more)
Lol! Megacorp havent really been getting the bps until now small corps have. And they have made 100's of millions selling them to the Megacorps. We at Xanadu have gotten ONE bp from our agents, and bought the rest of others.
The number of people doing research is making it completely random atm. This way the dedicated R&D people will get a head start. No small corp nor a megacorp throws around 40M lightly. It just put the odds in the hands of the true R&D people out there.
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.02.28 01:28:00 -
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Though you can still not get anything :-) Can you imagine just how bad someone would feel if they invested all that time, energy, skill points and money running around looking after 5 research agents and didn't get a bp out of it? Unlikely but entirely possible!
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Shamad Conde
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Posted - 2004.02.28 05:24:00 -
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nice to see the skill got slipped in today
but papa
is it MEANT to be 40 mil (!)
Imagine it was 1mil. Imagine a megacorp throws billions to buy every single RPM skill on the market, and re-sells them for 40mil. I'd say the price is that high to avoid that, but it will be tough for a free-lancer to afford such a thing, especially when it means that the odds of getting a blueprint in the first place is very low.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.02.28 09:50:00 -
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well, buying all of the RPM skill is impossible or would cost xxx billion so no danger that this might have happened if it was 1 mill. and as far as I know its restocked every day. but I think 40mill is okay, its a price where you have to think about if its worth the money or not. well, I'll buy it when I have lab ops 5 :-/
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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.02.28 11:13:00 -
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Quote:
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I might be wrong, but as far as I know the situation is this:
- You can't research more than one field with the same agent
- You can research the same field with multiple agents
I'm not definite about these, and it's based on some Chaos testing from a while back, so it may well be wrong/obsolete.
That is correct. And lets specify that.
- You can't research more than one PROJECT with the same agent
- You can research the same field with multiple agents
Regards,
Thx for clarifying that!
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.02.28 15:39:00 -
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It's a high price but a fair price. A prized BPo can fetch 300 - 400mil+ on the open market. An opprotunity to research at x5 is not to be scoffed at.
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Wotok
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Posted - 2004.02.28 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Wotok on 28/02/2004 15:57:33
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40 mio. is way to much...and by the way: battleships should cost around 1 mio.
with current BS pricing only megacorps can afford them.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.02.28 16:20:00 -
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Izon: its a x8 skill so if you really want to train it to a high level that will take ages (about 8x5 days for training from lvl4 to lvl5). So not only the price in money is high, also the price in training time is (probably a much higher price if you think about what people pay for implants to reduce their training time).
But anyway, I think the stats are fair.
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.02.28 19:12:00 -
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x8 to lvl 5 is the sort of thing I'd probably never go for in the short term. Theres's always something more pressing, more immediate to train up.
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
Qual
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Posted - 2004.02.29 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Qual on 29/02/2004 12:27:30
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x8 to lvl 5 is the sort of thing I'd probably never go for in the short term. Theres's always something more pressing, more immediate to train up.
Using 40+ days to a 6th bitcing R&D agent is NOT on my imidiate ToDo list either...
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.02.29 13:16:00 -
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Probably stick at level 2 and run 3 agents of the same corp each with a different subject - Min starship, Nuclear Physics and Mechanical Engineering I think. Especially as the corp I use have a cluster of 2 level 3's and a high level 2 all within a couple of system of each other.
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Phaethon
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Posted - 2004.03.01 15:37:00 -
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Any news on wether or not we will se the RPM skill as an agent reward?
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