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Terianna Eri Amarr STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.10.29 01:24:00 - [61] Originally by: Tarminic I tried to be slightly more productive than our friend iios and started a "diplomatic" thread here. I'm interested in seeing where it goes. Tarminic: No longer confined to just the EVE-O forums You should go ask them for some intriguing new whine ideas __________________________________
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.10.29 02:22:00 - [62] Originally by: Akita T So, would you REALLY want EVE to play like this ? I mean, seriously, WOULD you ? I sure as hell wouldn't. I don't want to have EVE handling like a bastard child of X-Wing and Descent. maybe for flying frigs and cruisers
Justinian Tormentus TalCorp Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.29 02:40:00 - [63] Originally by: Akita T So, would you REALLY want EVE to play like this ? I mean, seriously, WOULD you ? I sure as hell wouldn't. I don't want to have EVE handling like a bastard child of X-Wing and Descent. Dude, I never would have guessed that my little video of the game would make it to the forums. As for my opinion on the game, I think it has potential. I find the combat prototype to be quite fun to get on and start blasting people, but I haven't played in quite some time. It is certainly an ambitious project, but last I checked it seems that only a handful of people are working on the game, which kinda makes me doubt that we will ever see it past the combat prototype stage anytime soon. The biggest worry of mine though is how would such gameplay lag in larger combat situations. Most games I have played have been about 5v5 at most and it plays pretty well, but I don't know how a 100 man fleet battle would be. Also, as for the combat style being only proper for interceptors, I was flying an interceptor in that video. :)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.29 02:58:00 - [64] Edited by: Akita T on 29/10/2007 03:03:19 Don't get me wrong, I LOVED both Descent and X-Wing, but that style is "wrong" for EVE. I wouldn't even like EVE's interceptors to handle like that. I mean, come on, with such controls, in EVE, an interceptor could actually (and almost always) take down pretty much any EVE ship Infinity definetely has potential, but as a completely different gameplay style from EVE. EVE is strategic gaming (a lot more emphasis on planning), Infinity is tactical gaming (a lot more emphasis on player skill). Well, not quite like that, but you get the idea. Those two don't mix well If/when Infinity comes out, I'll definetely play it too, for a quick match, or just enjoying the scenery. However, my main focus will remain EVE. You know, where you think your moves days or months in advance, not a split second sooner. Heh. _ 1\|2\|3
Lupus Andari	Posted - 2007.10.30 00:18:00 - [65] Many of you that have answered have proably not even gone throughmost of the development and gameplay forum area. The game engine is almost complete (i think) and the dev team is about to start work on gameplay. Beta is supposed to start in late 08 (i think, not 100% sure). Those of you who say that its going to be a carebear land, isnt eve? you have highsec to mine to your earts cnsent with no worries of getting bown up. In infinity, if you go way out into the edge of the galaxy...fine, but pirates can hunt you down, and you have to pay for fuel to go back and forth to cre worlds and the tme (probably hours) going back and forth. And there probably will be no lag issues. Those that commented on the lag issues did not read much of the foums. Read this: The whole galaxy is PROCEDURALY GENERATED. That means all of the objects, besides ships and stations will not be a load on the server. So that leaves more room for larger fleet battles. The game i promising, even if the dev team is small, I believe it WILL take time. Infinity is not just a game of pretty scenery and a giant carebear lagfest. And remember that eve isnt perfect either, its got lots (tons) of problems too.

CCP kieron	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:10:00 - [66] That is a pretty demo video, and the seamless flight from space to orbit to planet side was nicely done. I'd love to see more of what they have planned and wish them good luck in getting the game completed. They have a long road in front of them. It will be nice to have another Sci-fi title in the MMO market. There are so many fantasy MMOs available, Sci-fi tends to be relegated to the background. Another title will bring more awareness to this little corner of the genre. kieron Director of Community Relations, EVE Online EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang Look Ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait...

Saint Luka The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:22:00 - [67] When's that coming out, i may take a peak. -
Jita Alt	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:45:00 - [68] Originally by: Saint Luka When's that coming out, i may take a peak. I'd say never TBH __________________________________ Calling you an idiot on a forum nearby
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:03:00 - [69] I'm also willing to test any other space-ship game around... At worst it will make Eve better. Competition will force the devs to change things, and other games are an good source of inspiration for improvement. Let's hope it goes gold someday... -- Siggie ! Come back here ! -- Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: MotherMoon well a drone UI is a bit of an artist job Drone AI is obviously done by an artist too. One that is heavily into abstract
Nadun'Hagar N00bs With Guns	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:09:00 - [70] Originally by: CCP kieron That is a pretty demo video.....demonic voice BUT WE WILL CRUSH YOU! end voice Good luck! fixed
Asestorian Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:26:00 - [71] This game will be rubbish if it's released because they don't want vertical ships. NO VERTICAL = FAIL --- ---
DunamethaToutoPoiein Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.30 23:10:00 - [72] Sorry to quote myself, but regarding this: Originally by: DunamethaToutoPoiein Quote: [infinity faq:] How long will the development last ? When are you planning to release it ? The official release date is "when it's done". The beta might start in 2008, but it's just a rough estimation due to the fact we are working on it in our spare time. ... I'm kind of skeptical about how much they can achieve. Strangely, they are currently not looking for additional programmers. I've been told that 'our spare time' means 40+ hours a week, which I find quite encouraging ! "Lave is most famous for its vast rain forests and the Lavian tree grub"
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.30 23:18:00 - [73] Quote: Please tell me how a pirate-harboring, combat-encouraging, goldminer infested hell hole is better than Infinity. Posts like that remind me why I like EVE. Sucks to be those people who cant handle it.
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.31 00:34:00 - [74] This thread looks like a thinly veiled advertisement for an independent MMO project posted on a forum for likely player candidates. Let me also add that the game looks like junk. ___________ I learned to accept ship changes months ago. Suddenly I enjoy Eve. You should try it some time.
Tommy Blue	Posted - 2007.10.31 00:39:00 - [75] Edited by: Tommy Blue on 31/10/2007 00:41:48 EVE is focused much more on pvp, whether the devs wanted it that way or not, it is. Infinity is trying to be focused on a much broader area. Of course I have a feeling tht pvp will be the dominate force in Infinity. And how do you know if the game will never come out? I think the game engine is almost done, and if thats finshed I highly doubt the game will wimper out if they only need to implement the gameplay. The main programmer doesnt want any more help, because he needs to spend the time updating the new programmer on ALL that hes done so the new programmer ca get aquianted with the engine. And he has to check onhim to make sure hes not straying off the "path". The one thing that EVE has as an advantage over Infinity is that EVE will have walking in station implemented. (Right?) This will probably be balanced by landing on planets in Infinity though.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.31 00:41:00 - [76] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Tarminic I tried to be slightly more productive than our friend iios and started a "diplomatic" thread here. I'm interested in seeing where it goes. Tarminic: No longer confined to just the EVE-O forums You should go ask them for some intriguing new whine ideas The possibilities are grand. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Agif Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:16:00 - [77] Well with all the stupid nerfs lately i for one have been tracking INFINITY for a long time now and have also joined the beta testing. If CCP dont sort them selves out i will be switching over to play infinity as its everything EVE lacks. + The fact it will be free and also its player designed which means we get the choice on what gets developed. Not a rant just pointing out a few things maybe CCP shud be looking at... Also that combat video was a beta and i can tell you alot has changed since. just my 2C
Malik Justiciar Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:21:00 - [78] Where is the love?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:23:00 - [79] I fully support unleashing tarmy on other forums we can call it Tarmigeddon I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Dash Dannon	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:28:00 - [80] Originally by: Agif ...also its player designed which means we get the choice on what gets developed. Oh God, and I thought the whines on these forums were bad. You know what's worse than not having a direct say in what gets developed? Thinking you have a say in what's going to happen, then being out-whined by another group who wants it their way, then them getting their way with every decision.
Tommy Blue	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:04:00 - [81] Originally by: Agif Well with all the stupid nerfs lately i for one have been tracking INFINITY for a long time now and have also joined the beta testing. If CCP dont sort them selves out i will be switching over to play infinity as its everything EVE lacks. + The fact it will be free and also its player designed which means we get the choice on what gets developed. Not a rant just pointing out a few things maybe CCP shud be looking at... Also that combat video was a beta and i can tell you alot has changed since. just my 2C First of all you are not signed up for a beta, beta testing wont start until at least next year. You are playing the combat prototype. And the game will NOT be free, dont try to get everyone's hopes up.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:16:00 - [82] Originally by: Gamesguy Infinity is a carebear/solo player's dream. Infinite universe means you will never have to fight if you don't want to, and there's always more of the same territory for you to build on. IMO it will be like playing sim city, IE get boring very fast. Its pretty to look at, but nothing you do has any real consequence. Somebody conquered your npc empire that you built by yourself(rofl at being able to do that)? No problem! Just fly for 10 minutes in a random direction and start a new one! It'll be a bunch of solo players or small groups of players carebearing to their heart's content. There will be runaway inflation because there are no real money sinks in that game and it will be farmer infested. All that will matter is how much money you have in your wallet(which I'm sure 2 weeks after it comes out you can buy on ebay) and nothing else. Its the ultimate carebear land. I for one see that as an extremely boring game. What good is building a giant empire with thousands of players(like people do in eve) if it has no impact whatsoever? People will simply run to some other part of the universe far away and enjoy the same benefits as you do even with all your teamwork and dedication. spot on great summary there bloke ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Tommy Blue	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:21:00 - [83] Edited by: Tommy Blue on 31/10/2007 02:24:03 Originally by: Lupus Andari Many of you that have answered have proably not even gone throughmost of the development and gameplay forum area. The game engine is almost complete (i think) and the dev team is about to start work on gameplay. Beta is supposed to start in late 08 (i think, not 100% sure). Those of you who say that its going to be a carebear land, isnt eve? you have highsec to mine to your earts cnsent with no worries of getting bown up. In infinity, if you go way out into the edge of the galaxy...fine, but pirates can hunt you down, and you have to pay for fuel to go back and forth to cre worlds and the tme (probably hours) going back and forth. And there probably will be no lag issues. Those that commented on the lag issues did not read much of the foums. Read this: The whole galaxy is PROCEDURALY GENERATED. That means all of the objects, besides ships and stations will not be a load on the server. So that leaves more room for larger fleet battles. The game i promising, even if the dev team is small, I believe it WILL take time. Infinity is not just a game of pretty scenery and a giant carebear lagfest. And remember that eve isnt perfect either, its got lots (tons) of problems too. It will not just depend on how much money you have. So what if you buy a flamberge (dreadnought)? You get in it, seee its pretty awsome fit guns on it get some fighters, and go kill people. 2 things will either happen: 1. You die because of lack of skills (personal skills. You were the idiot that tried to buy his way into the game. 2. You are not a complete noob, you survive and kill people. Nextday you are in debt because of shhip/crew/fuel costs. YES THEY HAVE COSTS TO OWN A SHIP.
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:55:00 - [84] Originally by: Akita T So, would you REALLY want EVE to play like this ? I mean, seriously, WOULD you ? I sure as hell wouldn't. I don't want to have EVE handling like a bastard child of X-Wing and Descent. i dont think anyone said anything about wanting their combat engine, perhaps you should stfu once in a while? Id prefer the graphics engine of infinity over the current eve one, tbh. So you, stfu with your "is this what you want"-induced whines....
Tommy Blue	Posted - 2007.10.31 03:04:00 - [85] Agreed.If we could integrate Infinity's engine into EVE, Infinity would have trouble keeping up with EVE. It would then be a twitch vs. point + click style of gsameplay that people have to choose between. I personally would go for Infinity.
Cavtrooper Caldari Greenspring Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.31 03:42:00 - [86] Wow that was a pretty sweet video! Need a jumpclone? Tired of jumping 30 jumps to hang out with friends? Try our new Jump Clone Service!
Polysynchronicity Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:43:00 - [87] That Infinity Combat thing reminds me of Vendetta Online.
Baleur Miners In Barges Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:17:00 - [88] Edited by: Baleur on 31/10/2007 05:19:24 Originally by: CCP kieron That is a pretty demo video, and the seamless flight from space to orbit to planet side was nicely done. I'd love to see more of what they have planned and wish them good luck in getting the game completed. They have a long road in front of them. It will be nice to have another Sci-fi title in the MMO market. There are so many fantasy MMOs available, Sci-fi tends to be relegated to the background. Another title will bring more awareness to this little corner of the genre. Its never gonna be released, and its certainly never gonna go gold as in be shipped by a publisher to thousands of customers.. And even if it does, its certainly never gonna have the neccecary funds/help to get the huge server hardware needed, or even simple mainteance and stuff. Its 1 dude working on it.. Yeah thats right, 1 guy.. Because he didnt want other people to "interfere" with his "vision for the game" or something.. Idiotic in my opinion. CCP need not worry. And secondly, the guy has only worked on the engine, for years now, almost nothing else has happened. There is no game what so ever, except for the Combat Prototype. He like works on procedurally generated planets that you can land on, and its looking great. But then he discovers DX10, so then he has to try some dx10 stuff and add some HDR and stuff. And then he figures, hey the planets could be a bit more detailed, hey what about overhanging cliffs?! And so ***in on! By the time he has finished with one engine-feature, such long time has passed that its already obsolete, and he starts doing it all over again. Ive been following that game for 2 years, and NOTHING has happened lol. There are no items, no interface, no functional stuff what so ever. Look at EVE, it has thousands and thousands of items, functional enviroments (harvestable moons and asteroids, refinable ore etc etc etc manufacturing blueprints etc). If that guy would sell his idea/thing to a company, i dunno, like THQ, Bioware (makers of mass effect), Egosoft (makers of x3 reunion) or whatever, this game could actually become a reality. Because even tough i know nothing of game development, i still understand that if you have a 200 man team things that could take 10 years for 1 guy can be done in 1, and at a much better end result. ------------------------- This post represents my entire alliance's views and opinions. Not.. ;(*
Tommy Blue	Posted - 2007.10.31 12:04:00 - [89] He is not the only person working on the game. He is the main programmer and there are 7-10 other devs working on it. At one point he will say, enough is enough, and leave the game engine and work on the gameplay features. When they finish the game, he will probably then go back and update the game engine.
Pac SubCom A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.11.01 17:11:00 - [90] Originally by: Gamesguy Infinity is a carebear/solo player's dream. Infinite universe means you will never have to fight if you don't want to, and there's always more of the same territory for you to build on. IMO it will be like playing sim city, IE get boring very fast. Its pretty to look at, but nothing you do has any real consequence. Somebody conquered your npc empire that you built by yourself(rofl at being able to do that)? No problem! Just fly for 10 minutes in a random direction and start a new one! It'll be a bunch of solo players or small groups of players carebearing to their heart's content. There will be runaway inflation because there are no real money sinks in that game and it will be farmer infested. All that will matter is how much money you have in your wallet(which I'm sure 2 weeks after it comes out you can buy on ebay) and nothing else. Its the ultimate carebear land. I for one see that as an extremely boring game. What good is building a giant empire with thousands of players(like people do in eve) if it has no impact whatsoever? People will simply run to some other part of the universe far away and enjoy the same benefits as you do even with all your teamwork and dedication. You can't know that. Areas in the Galaxy are not created equal, and if you own a good one, the next comparable spot might be hundreds of light years away. Plus you actually have to find it first, which will be a challenge in its own right. Once you found it, it's vulnerable. Running is an option in Eve too - you will always find a new alliance or can rent space, or join new or old allies. In Eve, you can go anywhere in 0.0 and expect to be able to support your corp or alliance. In Infinity, you have no idea where the Crokite is. The logistical train in Infinity is somewhat different to Eve, namely that all ships have running costs and need fuel. If you don't find an area for your new empire that a) pays the bills and b) is close enough to the core you have to go to "empire" all the same. Go too far out, and you will waste your time with hauling your crap out there, and not doing anything else. Chances are you will also have to go through somebody else's space. Where everything depends on money, you need to think much more economically. You won't find pirates with bounties in every belt to give you ready money, you won't even find resources in every belt. It's pure supply and demand, and money sinks like running costs, crew wages etc., are planned. This is not carebear central. For example, no high sec will exist in Infinity, it's all lowsec or 0.0. The possible exceptions are the immediate environs of newbie starting points. In other words, 3 or 4 solar systems out of 200 billion. Pirates will be able get into "empires", gank the carebears and fly out into "0.0", with the destruction of the pirate not at all guaranteed. It will be pretty difficult though in more secure systems. There will be no safety. Nowhere. For good pilots, it's ganker's delight. If you accept the consequences. --------------- ∞ TQFE

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