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Zolian	Posted - 2007.10.27 22:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Good show OP.
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 22:56:00 - [32] oh god not this guy again I driks alots
Hammerfall Ceo Caldari Hammerfall Industries	Posted - 2007.10.27 23:11:00 - [33] Edited by: Hammerfall Ceo on 27/10/2007 23:11:19 1. Bad 2. Very bad 3. Very very bad 4. Very very very bad 5. Very very very very bad 6. Very very very very very bad 7. Very very very very very very bad 8. Very very very very very very very bad 9. Very very very very very very very very bad 10. Very very very very very very very very very bad 11. Very very very very very very very very very very bad 12. Very very very very very very very very very very very bad 13. Very very very very very very very very very very very very bad
B1GDAVE	Posted - 2007.10.27 23:20:00 - [34] Originally by: Tarminic Gives this thing a jamming strngth of 25, which means it can perma-jam a BATTLESHIP! A battleship costs about 30 times as much as this setup With racial ECMs this ship can lock down TWO BATTLESHIPS which is just crazy. Can a Rook or Falcon do that? Seems that you are rather disillusioned as to how ECM actually works. You know that jamming strength on the mods doesn't add up together right? Consider each of those multispecs has a jam strength of 2, running 6 of those won't give you an overall strength of 12, instead you will have 6 seperate lots of 2. To permajam a battleship with that you would have to be VERY lucky indeed.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.27 23:21:00 - [35] Tarminic: admit it, you're really a pirate at heart. Pirating all the noobs and simpletons with your posts. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.10.27 23:35:00 - [36] Edited by: cal nereus on 27/10/2007 23:36:07 It happens in real life. A relatively cheap anti-tank explosive destroying a super-expensive tank. It's time to nerf anti-tank explosives and/or buff tanks tbqh. --- Join BH-DL
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.27 23:40:00 - [37] Besides of Industrials only being able to target two ships at a time (hence not being able to help or annoy 3) they are horrible overpowered in their EW/support ability. Have you ever considered if the Mammoth might be better at industrial warfare? Sure it trades a med slot to a low slot and has signigficantly lower CPU, but it has lower mass, higher scan resolution and lower sig radius and more HP on top of it. That seems more useful in a combat situation esp. since an EW ship is highly dependant on locking first. Maybe a nerf of the Mammoth solopwnmobile ability is in it's place.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.27 23:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Zolian Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Good show OP. Nobody sawd it! Originally by: consider telos ..then we had a fight and he was so dead and then I like became champion of eve and then ccp gave me a medal and a t-shirt and asked me to go out with him on a date to mcD'
Zolian	Posted - 2007.10.27 23:53:00 - [39] Oh sure it was predictable. But seeing Voogru and others fall for it made this thread worth reading.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.28 00:19:00 - [40] lol at nubs who take this seriously. Good on you tarminic.
Mark Foley Roid Vandals Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.28 00:34:00 - [41] Battle-Badger 4TW Nuff said -Mark Foley-
Tassadar Beta Amarr BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.28 00:48:00 - [42] Lets give haulers jump drives, extra hitpoints and fighters that would be fantastic.
SirMoric	Posted - 2007.10.28 01:03:00 - [43] Owned by a badger? Funny. Just leave it be and find a way to counter it next time. You could bring your own haulers. rgds
Drizit Amarr Lonely out here Division of Eden	Posted - 2007.10.28 02:18:00 - [44] Yeah Tarminic, you hit the nail on the head but you forgot to mention the highly overpowered support shuttle and the uber gank pod. --
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.10.28 02:24:00 - [45] You are a dreadful human being Tarminic
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.28 02:26:00 - [46] Originally by: Quintus Silanus My 2 cents on combat industrials: Q-ship. Google it. Indeed.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.28 03:23:00 - [47] I'd like to thank everyone that participated in this thread, it wouldn't have been possible without you. And of course I'd like to remind everyone of my services. In reality I love the idea of battle badgers/iterons and such would hate to see any changes that would (further) hamper their viability in combat. Personally, I think that all haulers should have their powergrid doubled or even brought in line with that of cruisers. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.10.28 03:36:00 - [48] Originally by: Inservio Letum Edited by: Inservio Letum on 27/10/2007 22:20:01 Originally by: Sky Marshal It would be fun to see a Goon-like badger gang ^^ Here ya go Originally by: Tarminic <expose on Goon badger vs vaga clips> I have a few ideas that will help make industrial ships used less in combat and *more in my killmails: 1. More cargo, less slots 2. Lower Speed 3. Less HP 4. Maximum Targets: 0 5. Negative Resistances û they take more damage instead of less 6. Double Signature Radius I think some combination of those will help make industrial ships used like they were meant to. You donÆt see semi-trucks next to tanks in Iraq do you??? 1) Awwww! Did poow widduw Tawminny get his big impwessive ship bwown to pieces by the big meany badger buwwy? :rolleyes: Get your mommy to kiss it better. 2) "meant to do"??? Who the heck are you to dictate how people play the game? I say more power to em for coming up with it. Sounds like it kicked your butt more than once, so it obviously works ^^ On the other hand, your infantile whining suggests that may not have been much of a feat.... 3) You don't see semi-trucks? Hauler + reinforced bulkheads in iraq.... Hmmm don't they call that an APC? Or did you get stuck on "is it bigger than a breadbox"? On the whole, you suggestion does one thing and one thing only : it makes an already vulnerable ship class MORE vulnerable to anyone NOT flying it as a warship. Go back to counterstrike. Originally by:* Tarminic Acting as the peons hauling gold to and from the castle This just in from the Cry For Help department.... Look how stupid you are.
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Eve University	Posted - 2007.10.28 03:59:00 - [49] I wonder how much Tarminic got payed for this ... Good show :D
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.28 04:03:00 - [50] Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin I wonder how much Tarminic got payed for this ... Good show :D The standard 10 mil. However, I've recently been commissioned for some more...expensive work. Look for it soon. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.28 04:36:00 - [51] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin I wonder how much Tarminic got payed for this ... Good show :D The standard 10 mil. However, I've recently been commissioned for some more...expensive work. Look for it soon. Like that real job you claim you might have? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Ixianus	Posted - 2007.10.28 05:41:00 - [52] This is how Eve should be, fun, people laughing, people using ships in fun ways. Stead of the usual same crap I see constantly, billion isk ships out the wazoo and barely an interesting thing to do. Hooray to "indy brawlers," and hooray to me making up terms. Reminds me of the old days, fighting in tormentors and such in beta.
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.10.28 06:28:00 - [53] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Tarmy you ***** me up, not sure if its the post or the people who fell for it ...its the latter, imo
Unvisibility	Posted - 2007.10.28 06:29:00 - [54] I was going to say that there's no point to this any more Tarminic since everyone knows you're just a professional forum whiner now... But every single time you post one of these paid diatribes there's no shortage of idiots who step up to the plate and rant and froth at the mouth, missing the joke entirely, and they give the whole thing a raison d'detre tbh O_o So, carry on
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.10.28 06:41:00 - [55] Originally by: Faye Valerii Well, AWACS and most electronic warfare planes nowadays are ... converted cargo/passenger aircraft ! ( Comet, Neptune, E-3 Sentry, ELINT Hercules, Antonov something, etc ) not just AWACS, the biggest can of whupass in the sky that isnt an A10 warthog, the AC130"Spectre" is based off the C130 transport. it is the real world Battle Badger.
Alyth Gallente Ma-Ven Industries Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.28 11:08:00 - [56] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker Originally by: Faye Valerii Well, AWACS and most electronic warfare planes nowadays are ... converted cargo/passenger aircraft ! ( Comet, Neptune, E-3 Sentry, ELINT Hercules, Antonov something, etc ) not just AWACS, the biggest can of whupass in the sky that isnt an A10 warthog, the AC130"Spectre" is based off the C130 transport. it is the real world Battle Badger. Yeah but it mixes auto's wth arty....come on what kind of a setup is that?
Missy X	Posted - 2007.10.28 11:20:00 - [57] The baffling thing about this thread is not just that he whines about industrial attack craft, but then he goes on to give new players all the setup advice they need in order to do the deed. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Several times. With a rocket launcher or something. I like it that people have industrial attack craft, because it means that if other players see my hauler they might not attack it... because, you know, it has 26 heavy missile launchers on it...
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2007.10.28 11:20:00 - [58] The Spectre is actually spectacularly effective. Though it seems really, really dumb to put a 105mm howitzer on a plane, it works out pretty well. And the 20mm and 40mm cannons can pretty much wipe an area clean in a matter of seconds if you aren't being picky about who happens to be there at the time. Personally, I'd have never EVER thought of using an industrial for this sort of thing. A couple of the videos were hilarious.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.10.28 11:38:00 - [59] I wonder how long it will be until someone takes Tarminic up and asks him to do a diatribe on "Nerf Tarminic". -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.28 11:46:00 - [60] I rate the OP's troll as a 9.5 out of a possible 10. The tone was consistent and not overdone; the parody of EFT-based nerf-whines was meticulously accurate, with the ommission of important details almost flawless (LOL @ Badger II running 6 multispec ECMs with no cap mods... I think with maxed cap and ECM skills you might get 2 cycles). CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

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