fine the way it is

the only way delayed local would work is if its a 2 way street, IE: you can't see them and they cant see you, then everyone sees you and you see them... sounds fairly useless.

it seems to me that any discussion of a local nerf is, in the end, to the benefit a certain party at the expense of another.
the only way its fair is for the effect to be universal, and then its reduced to a useless change that is for change's sake

I agree that from a basic level, the intel tool should be a 2-way street. The system should NOT give an innate advantage to the person entering system or to the person already in system.

However, I disagree with the notion that a universal change would be a "useless change that is for change's sake". A change that adds ambiguity to the new ship in space, where you don't always instantly know if they are friend or foe, returns some mystery, anticipation, and even increased surprise to the game. It could also significantly boost the roles and importance of scouts. With the right changes, you could enhance, or even add new dimensions to the game.

Intel tool (minus point A GÇö it shouldn't alert you at all, but rather give you data to analyse so you can alert yourself).

Do you prefer the omniscient, instantaneous Local Chat we have now?

or

Would you prefer a more balanced intel system?

By balanced, I mean a system that:

• A.) Alerts you quickly (not necessarily instantly) to the presence of all potential threats in space.
• B.) Leaves some ambiguity as to whether a potential threat is a friend or foe until you get intel on it.
• C.) Doesn't nerf the cloak out of play, nor boost it into the God of Hunting.

This F&I thread is my idea of a more balanced intel system. That's not the point of this thread though. I'm really just curious whether people think "local is fine as is", or if they want something different assuming a balance between predator and prey, cloakies, and the intelligence gathering mechanics can be achieved.

but it will always favor the fleet that will shoot at anything and all new neuts will be treated as reds, MRs will align and spam dscan, miners will dockup because they know that by the time they determine if the new gang is a threat they could already be landing next to them.

the fleet that shoots anything enters system and knows who is there, they don't care what you are, they warp to the most likely belt or hit several belts and have their choice of targets and a clear advantage upon system entry.

the end result is people will still react to a new neut as they do now, so the change changes nothing in the end.

I like the idea of more fog of war, but again it has to be fair for all involved or its just more fail

Local is not fine as is, nor are a whole gallery of "free intel" tools. It only really makes sense in hisec, where all gates are monitored constantly. Your suggestions for an intel system are good, but I am not very enthusiastic about automation for intel.

Perhaps if the intel resulting from the automated request was something like a system-wide mass sensor, which could only say "the system's mass increased/decreased a couple seconds ago!" That gives you the info you need to set you wondering what changed about your system.

Local, killmails, API abuse... there is way too much free intel in Eve. They all need looking at.

CCP has already established that more clicks != better gameplay!

I prefer the current system for the social aspects of it.

I would like to see more signal to noise thrown in with random ghost ships (untargeable, invisible to all but local) roaming through space using names of innactive players.

That would make people look at names harder and require scanning to know the real story on a short term basisi.

edit

When I mean "social" I don't mean necessarily chatting but the concept of seeing your neighbors on the street or the same faces at your supermarket even when you don't necessarily say hi until you've seen them dozens or hundreds of times if ever.

Seeing people is social interaction

I think some level of automation in the intel system is necessary. As Bane pointed out,

there is nothing to fix. There is everything you need for intel already available except for the 'warning that keeps me from ever dying' klaxon.
Your star map contains a plethora of valuable intel before you ever undock. Outside of worm holes you have a local chat, a D-Scan, tactical overlays, corp and alliance chat for most pilots, out of game resources, DOTLAN, people on the forums always give away information you can use.
You can apply custom standings to anyone, they appear on screen when they log in. You can create safes, there is an entire mechanic for being aligned to warp out quickly if need be.

Half the game world is high sec with uber NPC cops.

Not sure just how much more protecting anyone needs in a game that has ships with guns as it's core gameplay.

LEAVE LOCAL ALONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Pack Of Wolfes

Intel tool (minus point A GÇö it shouldn't alert you at all, but rather give you data to analyse so you can alert yourself).

I'd prefer a filterable Local chat. As in don't show blues.

there is nothing to fix. There is everything you need for intel already available except for the 'warning that keeps me from ever dying' klaxon.
Your star map contains a plethora of valuable intel before you ever undock. Outside of worm holes you have a local chat, a D-Scan, tactical overlays, corp and alliance chat for most pilots, out of game resources, DOTLAN, people on the forums always give away information you can use.
You can apply custom standings to anyone, they appear on screen when they log in. You can create safes, there is an entire mechanic for being aligned to warp out quickly if need be.

Half the game world is high sec with uber NPC cops.

Not sure just how much more protecting anyone needs in a game that has ships with guns as it's core gameplay.