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Ovno ConSyquence Amarr The Plebians	Posted - 2007.10.30 09:11:00 - [121] Boo Hoo, i'm 4 months old and i've been flying this battleship for over a month. Well guess what i'm 3-4 years old and i've been flying the same battleships for over 3 years, old players need new content to keep them interested, whereas the new players have got plenty of content to keep them going, hey it was good enough for all of us lot who are now old players anyway. If your failing to find something new and interesting to do other than grind boring missions and try and get into bigger and better ships then thats your fault not ccps this game is supposed to be a sandbox where you find your own way in the world and specialise in the things you want to do, not one long ladder towards bigger and better ships and more and more profitable missions. Oh and as for people not DARING to reply to you, get over yourself ffs.
RaTTuS BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.30 09:20:00 - [122] it was about 9mnths before I got in a BS - so much more fun to be had with all sorts of ships. -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve [Now Verified] & RaTTuS Home
DsItnangel Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.30 09:40:00 - [123] Originally by: CrayC Unlike most other MMOs out there, EVE has no end-game content, as it has no end-game. Sure, biggest thing you can fly is a Titan, at least for now, but that¦s not the end of the game. There is no best in EVE, only different and more or less effective. Everything you have, can be matched by something else. Quote: veteran players (mission runners for example) already have billions of ISK and SP, they'll get their marauders for example pretty fast and make more ISK even faster... True, but so did all the level 60's in WOW when Burning Crusade was released. A new player then would not even reach level 50 by the time the first ones hit level 70. But then they got capped at 70 and the newer ones caught up. That¦s exactly what will happen in EVE, but in a very different way. Yes, some people can buy the Marauder skill straight off the market and within a matter of hours take their chosen ship out for a spin. However, most of them have the knowledge to keep their ship alive for more than 5 seconds. And they can only train the skill to level 5, after that they get no better than you or me. The way to keep new players in the game, is to show them what¦s in store for them, once they get good enough, just like in every other game out there. Again, in WOW you have 70¦s running around IronForge and Orgrimmar, showing off to all the lowbies. Lowbies inspect them, look at the stats on their gear and go "ooooh, shiny, me want". And then they work for it. Learn the game, learn their chosen class, learn what to do and not to do in a combat situation. And level up. That¦s exactly what you should do in EVE too. Look at what other people have. Aim for something. Learn the game, make the money, do not rush yourself more than needed. Although in experience-based games you can power-level and THEN learn how to do stuff (people like that are commonly known as noobs), the mechanics in EVE prevent you from getting ahead of yourself too much. You can only level up so fast, which helps you actually learn something before you put your pod into that Erebus. It is very easy to start a character, make money, train straight for a Marauder and actually have both skillbook AND ship waiting for you before you are ready to train the skill. You do not need to wait 3 years to do it. But I promise you; rush yourself into the big toys and you will end up like you said yourself: 10M ISK ship gone in 30 seconds without even being able to fire of a single shell. same with a 50M isk ship or a 5billion ship... Not sure if his has been quoted but....this response hits the nail on the head. End thread listen to this guy. ^^/signed Beware Dear Saboteur, You Shall Be Measured
Azirapheal Amarr The Bastards	Posted - 2007.10.30 09:42:00 - [124] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Dash Dannon So you want to give new players even more things to train? no, not to train. TO DO. TO FLY. once reached the battleship, there's nothing else to do except waiting several month to get skills up. heck, i am flying lvl4 missions on quite a good success with T1/named stuff... evemon tells me i'll be done with T2 training in 3 month. THREE MONTH... what the **** am i gonna do in the meanwhile? NOTHING. join an alliance that does something besides mission running? actually try and engage with targets that arent clearly weaker than yourself. id take your battleship on in my ishtar.
Thrust SSC	Posted - 2007.10.30 09:42:00 - [125] Edited by: Thrust SSC on 30/10/2007 09:44:08 Edited by: Thrust SSC on 30/10/2007 09:42:33 Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence ...Well guess what i'm 3-4 years old and i've been flying the same battleships for over 3 years, old players need new content to keep them interested, whereas the new players have got plenty of content to keep them going... QFT I am nearly 4 months old now and completely disagree with the OP. There is so much content to explore. I just spent the last 4 months getting into a Hulk, and currently training up combat skills. In the meanwhile, I can explore, mine, manufacturing. How about you train up industry skills for a bit. I can be a nice break to constant combat. Second, there is no instant gratification in EVE like there is in WoW and Hello Kitty online, but your patience will be rewarded threefold because this game is so deep, unlike the MMO's I mentioned before. EDIT: Getting into a BS as fast as you could was stupid as hell anyway. Nobody ever told you bigger does not always equal better?
Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2007.10.30 09:48:00 - [126] Originally by: Kayna Eelai just try this yourself before smack talking here: join the rookie channel ingame. stay there for 5-14 days... you'll see many new players joining every single day... and only a mere 1-5% (and 5% is being VERY generous) stays, while the rest of people quits this game, mostly because it becomes too boring really fast or because it's too hardcore (pvp) for them. Considering you're talking about "fake/false assumptions" a few posts above, I'm wondering where you got these statistics and what survey was used to find out why those people quit. =AFK=
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:30:00 - [127] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Kayna Eelai just try this yourself before smack talking here: join the rookie channel ingame. stay there for 5-14 days... you'll see many new players joining every single day... and only a mere 1-5% (and 5% is being VERY generous) stays, while the rest of people quits this game, mostly because it becomes too boring really fast or because it's too hardcore (pvp) for them. Considering you're talking about "fake/false assumptions" a few posts above, I'm wondering where you got these statistics and what survey was used to find out why those people quit. don't know if you ever heard of it, but it's called "pen&paper" and "communication" fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:32:00 - [128] Originally by: Thrust SSC EDIT: Getting into a BS as fast as you could was stupid as hell anyway. Nobody ever told you bigger does not always equal better? tried doing lvl4 missions in a rifter? not doable, right? there u go. i wanted to pvp. pvp is ISK costy. least boring thing to get ISK are missions. best missions right now are lvl4... but why the ***** hell do i have to explain the same damn ** 100 times? go read my post on the 4 previous pages fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:41:00 - [129] shouldn't be in a battle at 3-6 month old tbh. ---
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:46:00 - [130] Originally by: Nicholas Barker shouldn't be in a battle at 3-6 month old tbh. aha, and in your opinion, what should people then do until they are 6month old? pay CCP the monthly fee and just log in for skill changes? fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)

CapitaneInterbutts	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:08:00 - [131] You're doing it wrong. I've been playing this game for about four years now (in before post with your main). So yes, I'm one of those hated "vets". I was out flying my megathron, running around solo like a idiot, a few weeks ago. I got killed by a 4 month old character, solo, in a scorpion. Why? Because he out-smarted, out-fitted and out-fought me. He killed my Tech II fitted megathron with a t1/named fitted scorpion. You don't need every goddamn skill at level 5 to be "effective" in PvP. As many others have told you now, to be "effective" in pvp you need a rifter, a web, a scrambler and a MWD. You don't need to be the absolute top dog out there to fly your battleship into PvP. You're too obsessed with skills. What you should be doing is to go and have fun with what you have.
Criza Amarr United Warriors	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:12:00 - [132] Originally by: CapitaneInterbutts You're doing it wrong. You're too obsessed with skills. What you should be doing is to go and have fun with what you have. Nicely said.The problem is that the only thing that he has are his missions and he can't have any fun with that lol.If he would then he wouldn't be *****ing on the forums anymore :)
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:15:00 - [133] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Edited by: Kayna Eelai on 29/10/2007 16:55:07 i am a bit angry / disappointed with CCP for doing new content (aka T2 BS) that apparently is only directed at the 3 years old players with gazillions of ISK and SP. i am not talking about new graphics and all that generic stuff, but about new items and new skills. veteran players (mission runners for example) already have billions of ISK and SP, they'll get their marauders for example pretty fast and make more ISK even faster... the veteran PVP will jump into their new ewar ships pretty soon too... and what about the guy who is just 3-6 month old? i am sitting in the same battleship, doing the same lvl4 missions now for over 1 month. ofc i'll get the "ohhh, only 1 month and already whining" comments, but i don't care. that's not the way of keeping newer players hooked to a game, having them 1 month doing the same crap in the same ship over and over. "go pvp, that's what this game is ment for" will most of you yell at me... and my answer: where the hell do you think all the ISK i made all this last month go, huh? into lame ass gatecamps or blobs. 10M ISK ship gone in 30 seconds without even being able to fire of a single shell. same with a 50M isk ship or a 5billion ship... you're primary = you're dead. OMG HOW FUN IS THAT.... but this is NOT a pvp whine, not really. this is about the fact that in my opinion, CCP is more bothered to keep the veteran players happy, who are masochist enough to play this for 3 years already anyways, rather than giving some more content to newer players, to keep em hooked to it and not get bored too soon. now, i am sure i'll get a **load of flames, loads of smartasses talking crap and some people trying to give me hints about what i could be doing... but this post is not only about ME. it's about all new coming people... just try this yourself before smack talking here: join the rookie channel ingame. stay there for 5-14 days... you'll see many new players joining every single day... and only a mere 1-5% (and 5% is being VERY generous) stays, while the rest of people quits this game, mostly because it becomes too boring really fast or because it's too hardcore (pvp) for them. eve-online as a game has absolutely no respect for new coming players and if it wasn't for the community, which is one of the best i've seen so far, this game would be dead and buried for a few years already. in fact, why are we paying for this game? CCP should pay the community for keeping their game alive! anyways, i could keep ranting here for hours but that would not make my point any clearer... MORE FOR THE NEWBS, LESS FOR THE VETS!!!** EVE's skill system alone proves you completely wrong. You can easily get yourself into a variety of ships with decent skills by training a few skills to level 5 and many more to level 4. As a newer player, this is what you should do, after you train your learning skills, unless you are not patient enough to do that. I strongly recommend it. If you're right about 5% of people staying in the game because it's "too hardcore" for them, then your other point, that the community keeps the game alive, effectively cancels out your first one. This community would not exist in a game where everything was easy to get. This is a punishing game where dying actually means something, and that's the way it's always going to be. If you're dying in gatecamps, start roaming gangs and fly cheaper ships. If you're dying in roaming gangs, try different setups. Join a better PVP corp. Start your own. Whatever. This is a sandbox game, and CCP has already made plenty of well-intentioned compromises to newer players to make the beginning a lot smoother than it used to be.
Demarcus Killjoy.	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:35:00 - [134] This post is moronic for one simple fact.... If your new to EvE, then everything is new. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Demarcus Killjoy.	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:40:00 - [135] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Thrust SSC EDIT: Getting into a BS as fast as you could was stupid as hell anyway. Nobody ever told you bigger does not always equal better? tried doing lvl4 missions in a rifter? not doable, right? there u go. i wanted to pvp. pvp is ISK costy. least boring thing to get ISK are missions. best missions right now are lvl4... but why the ***** hell do i have to explain the same damn ** 100 times? go read my post on the 4 previous pages You can make more isk by running trade goods around in a badger 2 than you can running lvl 4s if you know what your doing. And PvP isn't that costly for a new player, unless your dumb enough to rush straight into a BS and try to PvP in it. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:46:00 - [136] Originally by: Demarcus This post is moronic for one simple fact.... If your new to EvE, then everything is new. "new" is a relative word. my char is 4 month old. my 2nd account alt is around 3 month old... i've tried ****load of stuff, some will consider me new, some wont. but i know one thing for sure: i am getting bored from what i am doing in eve right now, and many of the available options out there don't really apply to me (like mining, now THATS boring) oh and i agree with "this post is moronic" because... if you say THIS POST you're referring to your own post, so... fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:47:00 - [137] Originally by: Demarcus You can make more isk by running trade goods around in a badger 2 than you can running lvl 4s if you know what your doing. yeah, if mission running is already boring, afking around in a hauler will make me soooo entertained, right? Quote: And PvP isn't that costly for a new player, unless your dumb enough to rush straight into a BS and try to PvP in it. pvp is costly. either you have a good fitted ship to WIN or you have to buy a new one pretty fast coz you lost it. no matter what, in the end it's ISK fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:47:00 - [138] I would be REALLY careful with these "i don't like new content" threads... Might be, that Wrangler comes to these forums one day and goes "Fine. No new content for you! EVER again!" My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Buford Early Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:55:00 - [139] Originally by: Sheriff Jones I would be REALLY careful with these "i don't like new content" threads... Might be, that Wrangler comes to these forums one day and goes "Fine. No new content for you! EVER again!" Ouch! Now that is a scary idea . Now that food has replaced sex in my life, I can't even get into my own pants. .
Demarcus Killjoy.	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:58:00 - [140] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Demarcus You can make more isk by running trade goods around in a badger 2 than you can running lvl 4s if you know what your doing. yeah, if mission running is already boring, afking around in a hauler will make me soooo entertained, right? Quote: And PvP isn't that costly for a new player, unless your dumb enough to rush straight into a BS and try to PvP in it. pvp is costly. either you have a good fitted ship to WIN or you have to buy a new one pretty fast coz you lost it. no matter what, in the end it's ISK Maybe the people you fly with just suck. I don't seem to have any problems with the new players in my corp PvPing in t1 frigs and cruisers with t1 fits. They learn their role in fleet, and the survive and thrive. Sounds like your crying because your making a bunch of n00b mistakes and losing, well that makes sense since your a n00b, and you seem to apparently think you know more than me and the other 3 yo people here. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.

Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:17:00 - [141] Originally by: Demarcus Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Demarcus You can make more isk by running trade goods around in a badger 2 than you can running lvl 4s if you know what your doing. yeah, if mission running is already boring, afking around in a hauler will make me soooo entertained, right? Quote: And PvP isn't that costly for a new player, unless your dumb enough to rush straight into a BS and try to PvP in it. pvp is costly. either you have a good fitted ship to WIN or you have to buy a new one pretty fast coz you lost it. no matter what, in the end it's ISK Maybe the people you fly with just suck. I don't seem to have any problems with the new players in my corp PvPing in t1 frigs and cruisers with t1 fits. They learn their role in fleet, and the survive and thrive. Sounds like your crying because your making a bunch of n00b mistakes and losing, well that makes sense since your a n00b, and you seem to apparently think you know more than me and the other 3 yo people here. more assumptions. i gotta love ppl. who think they know ANYTHING about others. assumption 1) you assume i fly in gangs/groups. what if i want to solo pvp, huh? is that not allowed in this game? most of my pvp so far has been 1v1 assumption 2) you assume i lose so much? wrong again. and still i've seen how T2 guns + T2 ammo >>> T1, no matter how good, smart or expensive the rest of your ship is so, stop being smartasses, just because you play this game 3 years doesn't mean **** to me. you failed the very moment you missed my whole point. and no, i won't repeat it again, i've done it too many times already in this post. fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:24:00 - [142] Originally by: Buford Early Originally by: Sheriff Jones I would be REALLY careful with these "i don't like new content" threads... Might be, that Wrangler comes to these forums one day and goes "Fine. No new content for you! EVER again!" Ouch! Now that is a scary idea You see, people don't really think things through. Just like with kids crying in the store about not getting candy My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:38:00 - [143] Originally by: Sheriff Jones You see, people don't really think things through. Just like with kids crying in the store about not getting candy i've never seen a store stopping to sell candy because of that, have you? fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:52:00 - [144] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/10/2007 12:51:54 Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Sheriff Jones You see, people don't really think things through. Just like with kids crying in the store about not getting candy i've never seen a store stopping to sell candy because of that, have you? Well, if you really want to go into this, no, i haven't, but i've seen the kid(customer) get punished more by the parent(ccp) when they keep on crying(complaining) about something. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:56:00 - [145] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Well, if you really want to go into this, no, i haven't, but i've seen the kid(customer) get punished more by the parent(ccp) when they keep on crying(complaining) about something. parents that need to use punishment of any kind to educate their kids, shouldn't be called parents. fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:59:00 - [146] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Sheriff Jones Well, if you really want to go into this, no, i haven't, but i've seen the kid(customer) get punished more by the parent(ccp) when they keep on crying(complaining) about something. parents that need to use punishment of any kind to educate their kids, shouldn't be called parents. Well aren't you twisting things today. So you never got punished? Break something? Go ahead. Hit someone? Oh boys will be boys. Call your mother names? Oh he's such a nice kid. Punishing kids is viable and should be implemented into MMOs aswell. Afterall, EVE ain't Hello Kitty, it's time the devs enforce this My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:31:00 - [147] Originally by: Sheriff Jones So you never got punished? Break something? Go ahead. Hit someone? Oh boys will be boys. Call your mother names? Oh he's such a nice kid. Punishing kids is viable and should be implemented into MMOs aswell. i hope you never have kids if you think that way. ever heard of COMMUNICATION, aka TALKING? if you succeed by educating your kid properly, you won't even have the need to punish him in first place. and no, if the kid broke something, there is no need to punish either, just to explain that this was wrong, why, etc. anyways, going even more offtopic now, so i won't bother to reply to this issue. fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:35:00 - [148] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Sheriff Jones So you never got punished? Break something? Go ahead. Hit someone? Oh boys will be boys. Call your mother names? Oh he's such a nice kid. Punishing kids is viable and should be implemented into MMOs aswell. i hope you never have kids if you think that way. ever heard of COMMUNICATION, aka TALKING? if you succeed by educating your kid properly, you won't even have the need to punish him in first place. and no, if the kid broke something, there is no need to punish either, just to explain that this was wrong, why, etc. Man, you are going to be in for an unpleasant surprise should you manage to reproduce. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:59:00 - [149] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Estel Arador Considering you're talking about "fake/false assumptions" a few posts above, I'm wondering where you got these statistics and what survey was used to find out why those people quit. don't know if you ever heard of it, but it's called "pen&paper" and "communication" I have heard mention of those things, once or twice. You're extremely witty response unfortunately failed to answer my questions though. All I'm wondering is how did you - concerned as you are about others using valid arguments - arrive at those numbers? =AFK=
Young DrPhil Caldari The Holy Hand Grenades of Antioch	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:19:00 - [150] Edited by: Young DrPhil on 30/10/2007 14:20:31 Originally by: Kayna Eelai oh and i agree with "this post is moronic" because... if you say THIS POST you're referring to your own post, so... I know you are but what am i? If you point at somone there is 1 finger pointing at the other person and 3 pointing back at you. My dad can beat up your dad.... oh my bad i thought we were pretending to be 5 yrs old again. I am lovin this thread its great!!



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