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Mezmeriza
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Posted - 2007.10.30 14:34:00 -
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In answer to the primary post....
Dont run before you can walk. Im miles away for a T2 battleship...even carriers are out of my league. But they were when i started the game just over a year ago. It doesnt matter what you do, there will always be a better ship/a better pilot. Thats how life works and thats how the game works. Im happy to work for my isk and skill up for my ship. I dont want things nerfed or changed just to make it easier for me. The challenge is to become worthy of flying the ship.
I would complain that CCP is actually making the game easier for new players. Maybe too easy. A new pilot can jump into a battleship in a month and a half. Just because he is in a battleship doesnt make him equal to another player in a battleship. Thats i think why people quit. They want these big ships and when they get them, they dont know what to do. They dont know how to use them as they think that they are now great. I wouldnt even consider myself good in a battleship, as im still learning how to use it effectively and also my skills are not brilliant, only 14.5M SP.
Also, people who have been playing for years want to still play. They are a guaranteed income for CCP. You say new pilots are getting bored. The old ones are aswell. They can honestly say "been there, done that, flown the ship...."
SO, CCP STOP MAKING IT EASY FOR THE NEW GUYS!! 
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.10.30 15:16:00 -
[152]
 Originally by: Kayna Eelai
oh and i agree with "this post is moronic" because... if you say THIS POST you're referring to your own post, so...
Oh man, if I was in 3rd grade that would have been awesome!
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Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare
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Jenea
Gallente
The Copernicus Institute
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Posted - 2007.10.30 15:33:00 -
[153]
I fly drone ships -- what new content? |
Eben Rochelle
Gallente
Free Mercenaries Union
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Posted - 2007.10.30 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Eben Rochelle on 30/10/2007 15:36:40
Edited by: Eben Rochelle on 30/10/2007 15:35:49
Edited by: Eben Rochelle on 30/10/2007 15:35:15
I 100% agree with the OP!
All you vets are just having a whine because you dont want new low skill stuff that you wont have to train BS 5, other high rank skills and fork out around a bil for. I think its disgusting that you have to train for anything to be quite honest and just because you've been playing since september 2004 doesnt mean you should be able to fly more varied and expensive ships than a 4 month old char!
more low skill content like tackling frigates, T1 ewar cruisers, tackler murdering destroyers, battlecruisers and T1 fitted battleships are needed, I cant even fly an iteron mark 5 yet and my barge is suffering with t1 strip miners, my exploration frigate is rubbish and im having trouble undercutting the undercutters in Jita with my manufactured items. Also id like to complain about the enormous waiting time for research slots! (no really i would, this IS quite annoying, yes yes i know get a POS etc...)
in closing OP please stop arguing. your resorting to pure sophistry now and its getting cringeworthy. you can easily specialise in 1 type of ship and kick the crap out of a vet, you dont even have to specialise to win. those of us who have been playing for a couple of years plus would really like some new toys and in the meantime why not train for HAC's or recons. theres a new toy for you. and to be honest because im a lazy sod you'll probably be in your new toy before im in mine...
*edits for illiteracy
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Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
Core Element
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Posted - 2007.10.30 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker
shouldn't be in a battle at 3-6 month old tbh.
sure you should. just don't expect to be worth much in pvp if anything. I'm in battleship just so I can pwn lvl 3's and rat without worries or thinking. all the pvp stuff happens in frigates, cruisers and batle-cruisers.
I've got the minimum skills required to run bs's just so I can do lvl 3's without worry. no other reason. left them alone otherwise.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.30 16:00:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Kayna Eelai
Originally by: MR CAPSLOCK
New players have so much to train for, Frigs ceptor dictores cruiser bc bs... it looks to be you want everyone to fly everything but this is what makjes eve specital
WELL EVE I HARD WOW IS OVER THE HILL
first: "training" in this game is far from "fun"... i admit, the skill system in eve is one from the best i've ever seen... but if it comes to "fun" it's much more fun and rewarding to level up a char and get that feeling of accomplishment when you "ding" next level and go get your new skills that what we have in eve.
secondly: i don't want to fly "everything"... i am maxxing out my battleship support skills (getting to T2 large guns now) and as said: this post does NOT pretend to be about me, but all "newbs".
i am sitting in the same battleship for over a month. if i would like to change i have a choice of WHOPPING TWO MORE for the race i trained for (minmatar)
i could chose a battlecruiser (been there, done that) or a cruiser... but could i do lvl4 missions in that? NO!
roid hugging is not fun either... so what's left? pvp? i've lost countless cruisers and battlecruisers in pvp, because in this game quantity > cuality and roaming through lowsec systems for 4 hours, having every1 dock/logoffski when they see you in local is not what i call fun either.
After you finish maxing your BS support skilsl you will be at most 1month away form T2 BS. So stop complaining.
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Torze
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.30 16:35:00 -
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Why is it that peoples seem to think that it's a problem if a noob can't fly in the new ships right away. Hell, I'm a 2003 character and I'm probabably 2-3 months away from flying the blackops. I'll be able to train for mauraders on day one..but, that's because I just finished training adv weap upgrades just now. There are plenty of ships for new players to fly and move up to. It's unrealistic to think that a new player should be in a T2 battleship in 6 months anyway. I would think they'd want to figure out how they want to play before putting in the timesink to specialize for a specifically rolled T2 battleship.
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Thrust SSC
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Posted - 2007.10.30 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai
tried doing lvl4 missions in a rifter? not doable, right? there u go.
i wanted to pvp. pvp is ISK costy. least boring thing to get ISK are missions. best missions right now are lvl4...
1) There are other ways to make ISK.
2) You don't need to be in a battleship to enjoy or even be good PvP. Your current skills are highly likely more effective in a cruiser for instance.
3) You're not getting getting any sympathy by shouting and calling names.
4) See 2 and 3, ergo, you fail.
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Tuschii
Filthy Scum
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Posted - 2007.10.30 16:42:00 -
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The thing about eve is Finding a cause to fight and play for, whether it be pvp, market pvp, trading/industry, exploration, management, intelligence, etc. Then using different ideas and ships to achieve that cause.Find uses for ships that fit your personality and myriad of professions you take in eve.
I know this may sound "Reading Rainbow-ish", but use your imagination and come up with a few things you want to do in Eve and achieve it.
You wont get much out of a game from grinding missions to pvp. Heck I know vets that have been Flying Armageddons and Scorpions since eve came out and still love them. If you really want the new ships set intermediate goals for yourself On your way to your primary goal, and you will have fun in eve.
P.S. CCP added New Bs's cruisers and Frigs, which are all accessible to new and old players, and play important roles in eve.
Eve is varied, Vary your play
-Tusch
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Sarchez
Minmatar
Filthy Scum
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Posted - 2007.10.30 17:05:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Kayna Eelai
Originally by: Dash Dannon
So you want to give new players even more things to train?
no, not to train. TO DO. TO FLY.
once reached the battleship, there's nothing else to do except waiting several month to get skills up.
heck, i am flying lvl4 missions on quite a good success with T1/named stuff... evemon tells me i'll be done with T2 training in 3 month. THREE MONTH... what the **** am i gonna do in the meanwhile? NOTHING.
First off, who told you that you can't do anything without a full t2 fit ? Whoever they are, they're dead wrong. You can do plenty with named stuff.
Secondly, If you chose to go T1 ships only, then yes - no more ships for you to train apart from capitals.....
Here's a thought, since you can do your isk-grinding in lvl 4 missions already, why don't you spend some training time on T2 frigs before going for a t2 fit on the bs ? You'll have loads of fun in those (Atleast most do), and it'll keep you entertained while training up for a t2 fit on bs.
Maybe you should pay less attention to Evemon and more attention to the fun you seek.
Sarch.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
GNATHIC
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Posted - 2007.10.30 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Thrust SSC
1) There are other ways to make ISK.
2) You don't need to be in a battleship to enjoy or even be good PvP. Your current skills are highly likely more effective in a cruiser for instance.
3) You're not getting getting any sympathy by shouting and calling names.
4) See 2 and 3, ergo, you fail.
4) you fail, because you came here without reading half the posts and spit out your arguments without a clue what this post is actually about. want me to elaborate? here u go:
2) could you please... pretty PLEASE point me to where i ever said i want to pvp in a battleship?
1) can you also pretty please, tell me a way to make ISK LESS BORING than missions?
and finally 3) i didn't come here to find any sympathy, i couldn't care less what some internet kiddies think about me, i just wanted their ideas and opinion about "the issue".
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
GNATHIC
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Posted - 2007.10.30 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sarchez
First off, who told you that you can't do anything without a full t2 fit ? Whoever they are, they're dead wrong. You can do plenty with named stuff.
JESUS ******* CHRIST ALREADY
read the damn post before replying damnit.
i am SICK of saying the same **** over and over and over
a ship fitted with T2 guns will pwn a ship with lame "scouts" any day in 1v1.
no one had to ******* tell me anything. i've been there, done that.
next.
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Thrust SSC
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Posted - 2007.10.30 17:48:00 -
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You came here to whine about the fact there is not enough content for you. When you are new, all content is new (4 months is new in my eyes). I don't believe you have already explored all content there is in EVE. As someone previously said before, it is not hard to understand why most of the new content is aimed toward older players. They HAVE already explored most of the content and want more to explore.
Instead of keeping your posts constructive and to the point, all you do is call names, be sarcastic and you are clearly impossible to reason with. We are not the kiddies, obviously you are.
In response to your question.
* Mining
* Trading
* Exploration
* Manufacturing
* Ratting
* R&D
If you don't like the game, why play it?
Maybe it is better to just leave this thread be and focus more on the actual game, no?
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Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.30 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Pezzle on 30/10/2007 17:57:33
If you want to be angry about something at least make it the right thing. The mission Battleship only further polarizes the community. Combat ships are combat ships, what is done with them should be up to the pilot, be they a carebear or pvp maniac. Tailoring combat hulls this way sets a dangerous precident.
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.30 18:39:00 -
[165]
Seann Penn sucks!!
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Naemorian
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Posted - 2007.10.30 19:15:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Kayna Eelai
Originally by: Sarchez
First off, who told you that you can't do anything without a full t2 fit ? Whoever they are, they're dead wrong. You can do plenty with named stuff.
JESUS ******* CHRIST ALREADY
read the damn post before replying damnit.
i am SICK of saying the same **** over and over and over
a ship fitted with T2 guns will pwn a ship with lame "scouts" any day in 1v1.
no one had to ******* tell me anything. i've been there, done that.
next.
Im not going to reply to your comment about newbies not having enough content, it has been covered earlier in the thread well enough imo, your responsible of your own entertainment in this game.
The underlined part of your post is what seems to be your problem or one of them, your assuming both ships are of the same class and type, have the exactly same fittings (apart from guns in your example)and have same amount of skill points in same skills and that the pilots are flying them in the same way. Only in that case your statement could be considered true.
There's more to pvp than just how you fit your ships and how much skills you have, if you cant figure that out then ask someone to teach.
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Tidas Andrommeda
Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships
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Posted - 2007.10.30 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tidas Andrommeda on 30/10/2007 19:23:55
2 things
1) WTB these children who don't need punishment he refers to.
2) Give me the system name of where you hang out. I'm sure I can arrange to make your "newb" life much more exciting >:D
Edit: 1v1 PvP is rare and consists of mostly prearranged duels and gankings.
So assuming you're not dueling someone that you can fit purely to fight someone willing, or just running around ganking people that you could probably kill with your eyes closed (if you pick your targets right :D ), then I think I can safely say that the chances of this t1 vs t2 argument of being valid are slim to none.
AKA you fail hard
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.30 19:23:00 -
[168]
EVE is a sandbox, you are responsible to setting your own goals and amusing yourself. Apparently you are having difficulty with this task.
Your options are endless, many have been listed here. If you still don't see possibilities for entertainment, its because your refuse to.
And yes, you have it far, far easier now than it used to be... in terms of making isk, time spent training, and content contained in the game.
Most of the excitement in this game is generated by the people in your corp finding ways to attain mutual goals in a variety of ways. Does your corp not do anything, does it have no goals? Does it not provide you with a direction?
Hmmm, there is a failure here but not with the game itself I'm afraid.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
GNATHIC
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Posted - 2007.10.30 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
EVE is a sandbox
i am kinda sick of hearing that argument... for two reasons:
1) coz it's not even true
2) coz how many of you guys still play in sandboxes, huh? pretty much got bored of that already, right? so...
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Sylvia Lafayette
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Posted - 2007.10.30 20:06:00 -
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congrats you read the 171th post.... go home and stop reading the whines it makes your life easier
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Sister Libertina
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Posted - 2007.10.30 20:06:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Kayna Eelai
Originally by: Ranger 1
EVE is a sandbox
i am kinda sick of hearing that argument... for two reasons:
1) coz it's not even true
2) coz how many of you guys still play in sandboxes, huh? pretty much got bored of that already, right? so...
Let the jesuswarrior in to your life and you will feel sick no more. You won't actually give two hoots and decide instead that it's just a game and that there are far more important things to feel sick about.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.30 20:07:00 -
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What does "obtuse" mean?
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.10.30 20:07:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Kayna Eelai
Originally by: Ranger 1
EVE is a sandbox
i am kinda sick of hearing that argument... for two reasons:
1) coz it's not even true
2) coz how many of you guys still play in sandboxes, huh? pretty much got bored of that already, right? so...
If you prefer the WoW Carousel, why are you still here? We're here because we prefer our sandbox to your merry-go-round.
Can you also explain how it's not actually true?
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Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare
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Tidas Andrommeda
Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships
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Posted - 2007.10.30 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Kayna Eelai
Originally by: Ranger 1
EVE is a sandbox
i am kinda sick of hearing that argument... for two reasons:
1) coz it's not even true
2) coz how many of you guys still play in sandboxes, huh? pretty much got bored of that already, right? so...
If you prefer the WoW Carousel, why are you still here? We're here because we prefer our sandbox to your merry-go-round.
Can you also explain how it's not actually true?
I'll do it for him:
*ahem*
BECUZ TERE IS NO SAND AND TEH GALXEE ISNT SQUARE
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lachesis
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Posted - 2007.10.30 20:23:00 -
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gonna have to post in this one ... gonna use alt for me posting for the 1st time ever ...which make me sad as i normally take my post on the chin  im a 50 mill plus sp character so ive been about the block abit ...and yes ive lost more ships than i care to imagine ...more from my own noobishness than any thing else an i freely admit it.
my main character is about to get his prized possesion nerfed (archaron ) and its never even fired a shot in anger yet  simply because ccp are trying to find away to let the newer player catchup and whilst im pretty miffed about the whole idea ..i can to some certain extent see there point ..
but imo opinion i think the op is totaly wrong in his post and is not utilising eve to its fullest potential there are so many opertunities in eve these days for the player to take advantage in comparison to when the vets played thats its almost a totally differnt game from 2003 .
There is so much more diversety and so many more ways in eve to make it as a big hitting player now than there ever been ...some times its not always about the skill points ...trust me i know this .sometimes its not allways about the pew pew .as it says on the original box ...BE WHO YOU WANT TO BE ..accept no limitations ...
I think what im trying to say is that you need to find your niche in a specific area and dont just give up because you seem to get this misguided impression that eve is just for veteran plays .
In many ways its more geared to the newer player now than it ever has been .Trust me us vets know and they will back me up on this
Put tinfoil hat and asbestos suit
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.10.30 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tarminic on 30/10/2007 20:24:26
Originally by: Tidas Andrommeda
I'll do it for him:
*ahem*
BECUZ TERE IS NO SAND AND TEH GALXEE ISNT SQUARE
That probably makes more sense than the OP's eventual reply.
EDIT:
Originally by: lachesis
gonna have to post in this one ... gonna use alt for me posting for the 1st time ever ...which make me sad as i normally take my post on the chin
Why? It's not like your opinion is an uncommon viewpoint.
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Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare
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Tidas Andrommeda
Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships
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Posted - 2007.10.30 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai
Originally by: Tarminic
Too bad that's not true. The first time I PvPed I was in a Vexor with less than 3 million SP, and I helped take down a battleships before I was jammed and taken out myself.
bolded the important thing. and... how many guys where you? and what was the fit of those other guys? and maybe the battleship guy was just 2 month old?
see where i am going?
i'll tell you one of MY first pvp experiences: i attacked a ratting rupture (was sitting in a bellicose back then) and he seemed to be AFK. when he only had 1/4 of armor left he apparently came back from pvp and started shooting at me. by the time i popped his ship i was in structure already. why would that be?
1) his drones were T2
2) his repper was T2
3) his guns were T2 (my log was telling me he was dealing double the damage per hit i was doing back then)
want me to keep going? yes i won. i won because the fight started because a vet player made a noob mistake of going afk. but that and all the fights i did later against players with just 2-3 more month than me showd me that T2 = win against T1. in order to get T2 i need to get skills up first.
getting skills up = boring time. and the game itself does NOT encourage you to do anything specific, you could just log off and come for skill swap, and CCP would be a happy bunny coz you pay, but u don't use their server resources.
Umm, how about the rupture is a COMBAT ship and a bellicose is, well, not?
Bellicose: 5% ROF and 7.5% TP bonus
Rupture: 5% ROF and 5% damage
So if you both had cruiser to 5, hes already doing 25% more damage than you. Add in the fact that you've made quite clear that all you're interested in is ships and not support and hes probably got another 50% more than you at least. (BTW, there are 7 skills that directly relate to your t1 medium turrets damage...look them up sometime).
OH, and lets not forget that the difference between the damage of just plain ol t1 guns and named can be up to about .6 damage modifier (thats 13.2 damage per volly per turret using t1 ammo that youre missing out on)
In short, you might as well have been pvping in a exhumer (those probably woulda done better) and the fact that you DID win is proof that the smaller guy comes out on top even when everything is stacked against him.
Next please.
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jason hill
Caldari
Nightmare Holdings
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.30 20:45:00 -
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me thinks the OP doesnt understand to true concept of pvp in eve ...other than as far as firing his guns .
pvp is so much more in eve ..than just going pew pew .
and that goes for anyone else who agrees with his post
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Scrutt5
Snuff inc
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Posted - 2007.10.30 20:50:00 -
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Sounds to me like the op is in the wrong corp. As a noob I helped take and control .0 space where I then enjoyed the spoils of war.
Get out of empire and learn the bigger picture, see the political game in action, play a part of the ever changing picture. Running level 4 after level 4 is boring, ther are much better ways to earn larger amounts of isk. Get involved and learn from the vets.
Make ISK while you sleep and work, save your playtime for the fun stuff.
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Zinras
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Posted - 2007.10.30 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Zinras on 30/10/2007 21:13:50
Edited by: Zinras on 30/10/2007 21:13:22
My char is 4 months old (only played for 2 because my comp is full of fail) and I can't see why OP is whining about lack of ships to fly.
If I get Mechanic to 5, Engineering to 5 and electronic upgrades to 5 (which really won't take that long since I have them at 4), the list of stuff I can fly will be all caldari frigs, all gallante frigs, all caldari cruisers, all caldari BC, all Caldari BS, T2 Caldari frigs, Stealth bomber, as well as I'll be half way in HACs.
I'm not exactly sure how that list means lack of versatility.
Yes, I'm a bit of a "jack of all trades" for now, as I'm still trying out different stuff and seeing where I prefer to be on a battlefield later on. I can still pack a punch in a frigate, though, as well as I'm skilling up for Raven PvE so I can get the much needed ISK to start my future PvP career :P
Also, my corp AND alliance is pretty small and yet we have fun and (surprise, surprise) do kill some people once in a while.
I find the concept of the sandbox the greatest thing I've seen, since it leaves room for both screwing around and training (and playing) for serious combat.
Which is why the OP makes me wish I could punch him through my monitor since he believes he represents my point of view (being a newbie and all).
To OP, Hello Kitty Online is that way ---->
(and yes, there IS a Hello Kitty Online game in the link)
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