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Daelin Blackleaf
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.10.31 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 31/10/2007 05:38:15
 Originally by: Gamesguy
Last time I checked KIA was at like a couple hundred members. It has nothing to do with numbers and everything to do with your skill as a pvper. Like 1/4 of tri can fly a rapier for example(we're minmatar heavy as an alliance).
Doesn't that kind of prove the point? Not every corp is the same and while their PvP ability may be up to scrath their ability to field a rapier at any time of the day or night may not.
The ability to pull just about any ship out at any time of day isn't about PvP skill, it's about SP, where your corp/alliance has them, and dumb luck.
And again my skill as a PvPer has nothing to do with it, I neither fly with nor fight nano-gangs... Aliastra don't tend to go into that side of things much. Try to keep the discussion non-personal.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.31 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Doesn't that kind of prove the point? Not every corp is the same and while their PvP ability may be up to scrath their ability to field a rapier at any time of the day or night may not.
The ability to pull just about any ship out at any time of day isn't about PvP skill, it's about SP, where your corp/alliance has them, and dumb luck.
The 2 are synonymous. If your corp can only fly t1 frigs you wont be very good at pvp. No offense to goons but they werent very good at pvp either despite their numbers till their members got more SP and trained skills.
Any "good" pvp corp will have lots of pilots available to fly minmatar recons.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.31 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 31/10/2007 09:31:33
Originally by: Khornne
I can't help but notice, it seems that all the big powerful (REALLY HEAVY PVP) alliances represented here (IRON, Goon, Tri, KIA, etc.) seem to like the vaga.
They are not saying they like it because it is an OMGBBQPWNG nano boat, but they like it because it is BALANCED! Likewise for the WCSs.
Maybe the people who like the vaga the way it is are better than you, maybe they are just smarter. Either way, they are right and this is all well balanced and should not be fooled with.
actually I just got skills to fly the vaga a couple of days ago, and my objective wasn't the vaga but the muninn.
also in our ops, I only saw 2 or 3 guys flying minmatar T2 cruisers, that is when they decide to bring their HAC's or recons and not their turtle BS'es.
and last time I checked, we're not PvP, we're battle-hardened sheeps.
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
I'm not a territorial myself anymore, but the important thing is to ensure they suffer significant losses for strolling through your turf, certainly at least as much as they have inflicted upon you.
However this isn't the case as they have largely free reign until you gather the nano-busting squad and track the blighters down, while your carebears and anyone not equipped with the correct ship and fit either docks up or takes a pasting for an hour of so. Even once you've sent them packing the ones you didn't manage to kill (ie. the half decent pilots) will often be back harassing your non-combatants within the hour and lo you can't gather the required personnel to dispose of them.
WTB anti-vaga scarecrow, gives the appearance of being an anti-speed-gang, sends nano-gangs running faster than you can say "Boo!" 
That or a few more counters so the odds of your average corp with 10-30 people on-line has a chance of being able to rustle up some resistance between them and not be stuck with them because Jack, Fred, and Nelly don't happen to be on-line.
if your alliance mates play smart, they won't be ganked that easily. add the fact that any nano-gang will pretty much run away when they see a numerically and with more armor and firepower than them. if you keep that up, the gank squad will deem you "unfunny" and "boring" and stop coming cuz they can't get easy kills (hint: drop 10 carriers on top of them).
the more kills you deny, the better.
also if you live in a 0.0 alliance you have to compromise. you can't center your defense arround a couple of people that you don't know they will be online when there is an attack, so instead skilling up for an exhumer or something, lose some time and skill up for a HAC or improve your BS skills or whatever.
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Spaced Skunk
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.31 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Originally by: Khornne
I can't help but notice, it seems that all the big powerful (REALLY HEAVY PVP) alliances represented here (IRON, Goon, Tri, KIA, etc.) seem to like the vaga.
This may have something to do with the fact that groups of this size have no problem gathering pilots with the required skills and kit to dispose of them. Even with limited counters when you have several hundred people to call on chances our someone has it set-up in a hangar somewhere.
I'd put it to the fact that vaga's are fun to fly, they are extremely effective in packs, and can travel many jumps quickly making roaming for targets more efficient.
If we were say strongly Amarr we would use Nano-Zealots, if we were Caldari we would use some speedy Cerberus, if we were Gallente we'd surely use mainly Nano-Ishtars.
Speed with numbers is the key essence most of the time, so your targets can't run away...
To Spawny, a great guy, a great laugh. Rest in peace buddy.
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DarK
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.10.31 12:17:00 -
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Saying that the vagabond was designed to go 7km/s is a bit silly, as at the time of its design there were no snake implants, no rigs, and no mass reducing modules. We all know CCP lacks foresight.
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mallina
Caldari
Core Contingency
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Posted - 2007.10.31 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Khornne
I can't help but notice, it seems that all the big powerful (REALLY HEAVY PVP) alliances represented here (IRON, Goon, Tri, KIA, etc.) seem to like the vaga.
They like it because of its speed, and in the land of Real PvP Blob warfare that is 0.0, Speed and K/D ratio are about the only things most people care about, which just happen to be the niche of that ship. (note that getting lots of kills and achieving a decent K/D ratio are completely seperate things)
Originally by: Khornne
They are not saying they like it because it is an OMGBBQPWNG nano boat, but they like it because it is BALANCED! Likewise for the WCSs.
The Vaga is balanced. People arn't really complaining about the Vaga. The Vaga is meant to go fast. People are complaining about Speed and the immense ease of escape it provides when compared to traditional setups, especially in the golden age of Bubblecamps and Snake Sets.
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Arvald
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.10.31 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Maloy
Edited by: Jones Maloy on 30/10/2007 18:53:04
Originally by: OwnedBy Me
btw: hallo kitty is that way ->
btw: throat slitting is this way ^
<edit> Sorry about that. I get pretty steamed sometimes. Leaving it in for posterity. </edit>
oooh rl threats, now whos commiting banable offences
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Originally by: eddie valvetino
little small voice in the back of my head i've ignored all summer now screams
"BLOW SOMETHING UP!!!!!!!!! M*****R F**CKER!!!!!!"
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.31 15:22:00 -
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1. Don't fit stabs.
2. Don't suck.
Problem solved.
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Arvald
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.10.31 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 31/10/2007 15:27:50
Originally by: MrTripps
1. Don't fit stabs.
2. Don't suck.
Problem solved.
must emphasise on that one
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Originally by: eddie valvetino
little small voice in the back of my head i've ignored all summer now screams
"BLOW SOMETHING UP!!!!!!!!! M*****R F**CKER!!!!!!"
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