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Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.01 10:59:00 - [151] I'll say it again, if the negative wallet is the problem, jsut liquidate some assets and get going. It's still a free character, so what's the problem? Chances are, that battleship i the hangar was bought with the same bought ISK, so it's easy to sell the stuff back at little if any loss. And on a sidenote, people who think that "CCP is doing wrong", remember, you don't own anything regarding your character, i mean NOTHING. They could even reset all your skills if they wanted, and you'd have no "backing" to complain, even if you did. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Joss Sparq Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:17:00 - [152] Originally by: Neena Valdi Farming is not EULA violation. Buying ISK is ... Clause 16 of the Terms of Service could be applied to that, though.
Joss Sparq Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:26:00 - [153] Originally by: Sheriff Jones It's still a free character, so what's the problem? No, it isn't. CCP have come in and set a retroactive price tag on the character for the new owner, which has to be paid to return it to the previous level of functionality. This has been done due to the actions of the previous owner and is admittedly not the fault of the new owner. It has also exposed the glaring vulnerability of buyers in character transactions whether or not they follow the proscribed method.
Krychton Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:30:00 - [154] Originally by: Dulcinea Toboso Originally by: Barbaro55a I'm allready bored of this thread. I personaly think your not telling the whole truth. Yes CCP should send messages informing when they have removed funs but thats a seperate issue. You bought isk and went 40 mil in debt, a tiny ammount compared to your supposed wealth. You got cought, be a man and deal with it. You completely missed the point of the post. The toon that I transfered from a Corp mate had apparently bought isk, I did not. I had no idea that the toon had bought isk in its past. When CCP discovered that this toon had bought isk, they didn't bother to check that it had already been transfered to my account from another, they just took isk. I DIDN'T BUY ISK. Read the thread before you post. You committed no wrong, true. But the previous owner did, and just because the character switched owners doesn't negate the fact that the iskies where purchased through illegal means. What you had was "dirty money" or "dirty Iskies". That is the flaw in your argument. ---- \|Omerta Syndicate\|
Khes	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:00:00 - [155] Edited by: Khes on 01/11/2007 12:01:53 I can be a bit slow sometimes but I just don't see what is so unfair with this whole deal. You actually belive that If someone gives me money that is stolen it should be my right to keep it because it was not me that stole it???????
Tessai Lsha	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:31:00 - [156] When buying a character check who it received money from in the past two months. Check the profiles of people and see if any one of those is soma alty alt transfering round nice round numbers into your wallet (farmers sell 400, 500, 800, 1000 mil ISK but not something like 376 mil or 850 mil). If you see any suspicious transfers I suppose you can petition and ask them to check it out. Sadly the wallet history is logged only 2 months so if the char was used to buy ISK prior to that you're out of luck as there isn't a way for you to check for any suspicious transfers. Originally by: Ramblin Man ] 1) Buy massive ISK with an industrial character 2) Purchase faction mods -- transfer to your main via jetcan 3) Use alt spy to arrange for bankrupt character to be transferred to a wealthy hostile alliance's member outside of the official method 4) Laugh for fun as CCP eventually tracks down the ISK sale and seizes the member's personal ISK off that character! I also heard that all items in EVE can be traced so if you buy some faction mods and transfer them to your main they'll trace ya and possibly ban for being such a sneaky pain the the behind :P
Lord Saradomin Gallente Asshats and Alcoholics Minuit.	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:45:00 - [157] agggggggh people like you get right on my jubblys!!!! i think the question here is why aren't you perm banned?! there should be no account purchasing/isk buying/timecard nonsense! you say you play the game for fun? then play it and build up you OWN stuff!! ****************************************** In the beginning the Universe was created, This made a lot of people angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea.
Tessai Lsha	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:47:00 - [158] Originally by: sheis Originally by: Neena Valdi Originally by: Turin Once again. CCP's stance on "isk buying" is garbage. Until they stop allowing GTC's to be sold for isk, them busting ISK sellers is like the pot calling the kettle black. If CCP close the GTC for ISK sales it will only make the situation worse. I mean MUCH worse than it is now. The amount of 'chinese farmers' will skyrock and become totally uncontrollable. Unlike many other MMORPGs EVE as player-driven game have almost everything depended on ISK, so the illegal organized ISK sellers will be able to make enourmous profit. WRONG allowing people to spend in game currency for game time ALLOWS FARMERS TO BE 100% SELF SUFFICIENT. They dont even have to go out of pocket to continue to farm to later sell isk on ebay. Cancel GTC buying and the swollen numbers of farmers would cant function without FREE game time will dissolve. Are you aware how many farmers are on 24/7? and how many people obviously buy isk? Game only costs $10-15 per month. So a farmer would pay this amount extra for the game per account that he owns. Right now they sell 1b for $55 so which means that $15 is 270 mil in ISK that he'll have to sell per month. A single farmer account would have no trouble generating this money. Assuming they make something like 10 mil per hour with one account this is less than 3 days for a farmer to make enough ISK to sell to get $15. Meanwhile demand for ISK will surge. According to some studies I've seen one out of every 5 people has bought virtual currency and EVE is one of those games where this statistic is even higher, possibly 1 in 4 people has bought ISK and many are frequent buyers. It is very obvious that without the GTCs farmers would make much more money (and CCP will make much less).
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:01:00 - [159] Originally by: Joss Sparq Originally by: Neena Valdi Farming is not EULA violation. Buying ISK is ... Clause 16 of the Terms of Service could be applied to that, though. No, it can't.
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:05:00 - [160] Originally by: Tessai Lsha Game only costs $10-15 per month. So a farmer would pay this amount extra for the game per account that he owns. Right now they sell 1b for $55 so which means that $15 is 270 mil in ISK that he'll have to sell per month. A single farmer account would have no trouble generating this money. Assuming they make something like 10 mil per hour with one account this is less than 3 days for a farmer to make enough ISK to sell to get $15. Meanwhile demand for ISK will surge. According to some studies I've seen one out of every 5 people has bought virtual currency and EVE is one of those games where this statistic is even higher, possibly 1 in 4 people has bought ISK and many are frequent buyers. It is very obvious that without the GTCs farmers would make much more money (and CCP will make much less). Where your statistic comes from?
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:14:00 - [161] But if CCP make it so that traded characters are immune from ISK buying punishments, then the direct and instant consequence for everybody else becomes very massive, very quickly, as every isk farmer and trader suddenly gets to duplicate isk for character transfer fee only. probably. -- Awwwww Diddums! Did I wardec your highsec alt recently or something?
Rshu Jhorlk	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:50:00 - [162] Originally by: Neena Valdi Originally by: Rshu Jhorlk Originally by: Cosmo Raata Dulcinea Toboso, How much are you in the hole? I am willing to donate the isk to you to be at zero isk if you're still in debt. As long as this is ok with Wrangler and i'm not violating some rule that I wouldn't know about. Evemail me with 'Dulcinea Toboso' the name of the character to transfer the isk to. laughs He's already had at least five players in the corp offer him the ISK before he posted this. smart guy is making money now... If I need to clarify, he didn't accept anyone's money.
Joss Sparq Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:57:00 - [163] Originally by: Neena Valdi Originally by: Joss Sparq Originally by: Neena Valdi Farming is not EULA violation. Buying ISK is ... Clause 16 of the Terms of Service could be applied to that, though. No, it can't. Really? Why would you say that? Also, no. 24 and no. 25, perhaps? If CCP says farming isn't allowed (I'm pretty they have, somewhere) then it isn't allowed and I'd have thought it only natural they have something every user has agreed to, to point at. (No. 15, maybe? I read the ToS and gave the EULA another glance. I didn't see anything I could apply in the EULA and figured the ToS was easier to apply when interpreted.)
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.01 14:39:00 - [164] Joss farming IS allowed.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.11.01 14:45:00 - [165] Good Move, CCP. And for OP. Don't accept gifts from uh ... 'friends' ... who buy isk. Besides that 41 mil is pocket change. If you would have got the char for '1 isk' you mentioned earlier you would get that '1 isk' back and would lose the char. Now you got 'free char' - if you don't like it feel free to trash it.
Menkaure Amarr Vanitas Corp.	Posted - 2007.11.01 14:49:00 - [166] Totally with CCP on this one. Is boiled down to... Dirty Money comes in, Dirty Money gets removed. If anything starts changing that basic factor, then Eve will seriously start going downhill. Character ownership in this case is irrelevant. GJ CCP.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.11.01 15:58:00 - [167] Though the other way to look at it is that the ISK belongs to CCP. It did, it does, it always will. The farmers didn't magic it into TQ, CCP allowed it to be put there. So when you're trying to apportion blame for dirty ISK existing, there's your guilty party. CCP. However, the RL money that people spend is not CCP's, it's there's, then CCP take it off them, and then CCP deny them access to CCP intellectual property that was originally agreed, and that's legal why? It's legal because CCP say it is, via the EULA. Since all CCP sell you is access to a service. They don't sell anything other than that. So anything else you get must be considered a bonus. Now, this is all very Western. The EULA is the bible. It's true because it says it's true within itself! Jackpot baby! Can't argue with logic like that! So you get stiffed, and feel like your money has been stolen. If a shop rips you off for ú20 you pour paint through the letterbox one night knowing full well you just cost them ú100 minimum. If a software company rips you off, you have no recourse whatsoever, unless you happen to know where they live. And it's local. Eurocom never annoyed me. Shame, I used to work next door to them. If I worked next door to CCP, they'd have footprints throughout most of their offices by now. -- Awwwww Diddums! Did I wardec your highsec alt recently or something?
MasterEnt	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:08:00 - [168] Well.. its funny, this same sense of "justice" is what we as Americans are dealing with right now. It does not work in the US, and it probably will not work here.
Nicho Void Gallente Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:13:00 - [169] Solution: Stop buying characters and play the game yourself, you ******* cheap bastard! ---------------
Achura Citizen 513536	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:34:00 - [170] So you can now: 1. Buy a new account $20 2. create a new character 3. Buy 4B Isk of Ebay $400? "whats the going rate" 4. buy some cool stuff and jetcan it to your main! 5. then sell that character legal though the current system for 4B Isk to your main 6. Step 4. Agian 7. Get a mate to dob in your alt for buying Isk 8. CCP Ask if you want to reverse the transaction 9. you say YES 10. CCP give your Main 4B Isk and your Alt has -8B* Isk :) 11. Delete account 12. Rinse and Repeat An Extra 4B Isk for the cost of $25 Dollars :) and you end up with CCP not only cleaning your money for you but they also double it SWEET Welldone CCP * = "-4 from buying isk + -4 from reversing transaction"
Tessai Lsha	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:54:00 - [171] Originally by: Achura Citizen 513536 So you can now: 1. Buy a new account $20 2. create a new character 3. Buy 4B Isk of Ebay $400? "whats the going rate" 4. buy some cool stuff and jetcan it to your main! 5. then sell that character legal though the current system for 4B Isk to your main 6. Step 4. Agian 7. Get a mate to dob in your alt for buying Isk 8. CCP Ask if you want to reverse the transaction 9. you say YES 10. CCP give your Main 4B Isk and your Alt has -8B* Isk :) 11. Delete account 12. Rinse and Repeat An Extra 4B Isk for the cost of $25 Dollars :) and you end up with CCP not only cleaning your money for you but they also double it SWEET Welldone CCP * = "-4 from buying isk + -4 from reversing transaction" only that i heard that they can trace all the items in game, like they have a unique mark, so whatever you buy will be traced directly to your main character and bingo! they'll have a winner
Achura Citizen 513536	Posted - 2007.11.01 17:10:00 - [172] Originally by: Tessai Lsha Originally by: Achura Citizen 513536 So you can now: 1. Buy a new account $20 2. create a new character 3. Buy 4B Isk of Ebay $400? "whats the going rate" 4. buy some cool stuff and jetcan it to your main! 5. then sell that character legal though the current system for 4B Isk to your main 6. Step 4. Agian 7. Get a mate to dob in your alt for buying Isk 8. CCP Ask if you want to reverse the transaction 9. you say YES 10. CCP give your Main 4B Isk and your Alt has -8B* Isk :) 11. Delete account 12. Rinse and Repeat An Extra 4B Isk for the cost of $25 Dollars :) and you end up with CCP not only cleaning your money for you but they also double it SWEET Welldone CCP * = "-4 from buying isk + -4 from reversing transaction" only that i heard that they can trace all the items in game, like they have a unique mark, so whatever you buy will be traced directly to your main character and bingo! they'll have a winner you would have to use some common sense like using JETCANS and that way its very hard to keep trake of it i mean if i was to realy do what i siad i would use all 4 of my acounts to pick up the jet cans so spreading the wealth i might also get the new acount to buy a hauler and attack it with my main then jet his pod to escape "how is ccp able to tell that wasnt legit" especialy if i use one of the 15 unsecured wifi routers near my house to get access to the acount ? how can CCP track my IP i wasnt planning on giving you a cookbook on it, but i KNOW this is a major exsploit that ccp MUST fix.
Sett Runesabre	Posted - 2007.11.01 17:18:00 - [173] "you" may not have purchased ISK, but you're now in possession of a character that did. It doesn't matter if you're the one who did the deed, rules are rules. An illegal act was committed and it has to be squared with the establishment. Think of it this way ... you're ::cough:: good friend knocks on your door one night and says "hey, I got a great deal on this DvD player for you. 10 bucks and it's yours" you accept the offer and your friend is on his way. Before you even get to watch your first movie, however, the police are at your house, arresting you for recieving stolen property. "I didn't do it!" you scream, but it doesn't matter. The property was not obtained legitimately and you are now in possession of it. You go down with the ship. It's a loose comparison, I know, but you get the idea. Consider yourself lucky that removing the offending ISK was the extent of CCP's actions. 41 mil ISK is paultry. I can just about guarantee you've spent more time on this thread than it would've taken you to recover the amount. It's not like you're really suffering here. You're just upset that you didn't get to keep the free money that you weren't really entitled to in the first place, right? I mean, it's not like they took your birthday away. Get some perspective and move on.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.01 17:46:00 - [174] In response to the original post: From reading, it seems you came to own the character by legit means. But ownership of the character is not the issue. The issue was the illegal isk. Just because the ownership of the account changed, EVEN IF THE TRANSFER ITSELF WAS FULLY LEGAL, does NOT make illegal isk suddenly become 'clean'. The GMs did the right thing. You got screwed by your 'friend'. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Dulcinea Toboso	Posted - 2007.11.01 20:01:00 - [175] Originally by: Khes Edited by: Khes on 01/11/2007 12:01:53 I can be a bit slow sometimes but I just don't see what is so unfair with this whole deal. You actually belive that If someone gives me money that is stolen it should be my right to keep it because it was not me that stole it??????? You're right, you are slow. The issue is that they took more isk than I got with the character. Therefore, they took isk that had not been purchased; it had been earned the proper way. Have some coffee, it might help.
Dulcinea Toboso	Posted - 2007.11.01 20:02:00 - [176] Originally by: Lord Saradomin agggggggh people like you get right on my jubblys!!!! i think the question here is why aren't you perm banned?! there should be no account purchasing/isk buying/timecard nonsense! you say you play the game for fun? then play it and build up you OWN stuff!! Read the thread. I am not banned because I didn't buy the isk. The previous owner of the character bought isk.
Demje	Posted - 2007.11.01 20:03:00 - [177] Originally by: Dulcinea Toboso Originally by: Khes Edited by: Khes on 01/11/2007 12:01:53 I can be a bit slow sometimes but I just don't see what is so unfair with this whole deal. You actually belive that If someone gives me money that is stolen it should be my right to keep it because it was not me that stole it??????? You're right, you are slow. The issue is that they took more isk than I got with the character. Therefore, they took isk that had not been purchased; it had been earned the proper way. Have some coffee, it might help. considering they only take the amount of isk that was bought, which clearly means some of it had been used before the isk was removed, therefor leading to the negative balance. u = /fail
Dulcinea Toboso	Posted - 2007.11.01 20:04:00 - [178] Originally by: Menkaure Totally with CCP on this one. Is boiled down to... Dirty Money comes in, Dirty Money gets removed. If anything starts changing that basic factor, then Eve will seriously start going downhill. Character ownership in this case is irrelevant. GJ CCP. Keep up. Dirty money went out but they took clean money too because the previous owner spent some of the purchased isk. Why should my clean money pay for dirty money when I had nothing to do with the isk purchase?
Dulcinea Toboso	Posted - 2007.11.01 20:05:00 - [179] Originally by: Nicho Void Solution: Stop buying characters and play the game yourself, you ******* cheap bastard! I have been playing the game for nearly a year. I have several characters over several accounts. I bet I have played more than you have.
Dulcinea Toboso	Posted - 2007.11.01 20:08:00 - [180] Originally by: Sett Runesabre "you" may not have purchased ISK, but you're now in possession of a character that did. It doesn't matter if you're the one who did the deed, rules are rules. An illegal act was committed and it has to be squared with the establishment. Think of it this way ... you're ::cough:: good friend knocks on your door one night and says "hey, I got a great deal on this DvD player for you. 10 bucks and it's yours" you accept the offer and your friend is on his way. Before you even get to watch your first movie, however, the police are at your house, arresting you for recieving stolen property. "I didn't do it!" you scream, but it doesn't matter. The property was not obtained legitimately and you are now in possession of it. You go down with the ship. It's a loose comparison, I know, but you get the idea. Consider yourself lucky that removing the offending ISK was the extent of CCP's actions. 41 mil ISK is paultry. I can just about guarantee you've spent more time on this thread than it would've taken you to recover the amount. It's not like you're really suffering here. You're just upset that you didn't get to keep the free money that you weren't really entitled to in the first place, right? I mean, it's not like they took your birthday away. Get some perspective and move on. Except that if it's CCP knocking on my door, not only would they take the CD player and me to jail, but they would also take all of my CDs. Your comparison is flawed.

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