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Dulcinea Toboso	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:28:00 - [1] Edited by: Dulcinea Toboso on 30/10/2007 20:43:51 I recently logged into my almost new character to find that in my wallet not only were the 350+ million isk that I had in there gone, but that my wallet had actually sunk to a negative 41 million isk. You can imagine my surprise and doubly so when I looked at my logs and realized that no less than a GM had taken the isk out of my wallet. As you might imagine, an immediate petition was filed. Their response was that the isk had come from a character who sold isk. Why didn't they at least have the courtesy of sending me a message once the isk was taken from my account explaining the reason for their actions? Why did it take a petition to receive some explanation of their actions. It's poor customer service to say the least. I fired back a quick response that I had done no such thing as purchase isk from anyone, never have, never will. And I added that had they bothered to check, they would have noticed that this character had only recently been transfered to my account from someone else. Well, this sent them into a tizzy. And I received no response for a while until this (by the way, I removed the names to protect the innocent, i.e., me): I was then informed that the matter was being investigated because they had not realized that the character had been transfered. I was encouraged by this message and started thinking that reason and justice would prevail. In my mind, I saw no good coming from the punishment of someone innocent of anything in an attempt to punish someone who has left the game and has given away their character. Days went by. Past a week. I fired off a couple of 'hey, can you resolve this issue, I can't even rep my own ship. I am 41 mill isk in the hole.' And then I received the message continued on the next post.
Sister Libertina	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:33:00 - [2] I guess what everyone really wants to know is ... how much does a billion isk cost in pound sterling?
Nerogk Shorn Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:35:00 - [3] I'm pretty sure that direct quoting of petitions is a no no on the forums. D-F-A-A-B-A-A-S
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:42:00 - [4] waaaaaaaaaah i demand part 2!!!!!!!!! the excitement is killing me. The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Sacul waaaaaaaaaah i demand part 2!!!!!!!!! the excitement is killing me. seriously... ----------------------------------------------- "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation."
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:43:00 - [6] Hrm....I'm confused then. When people buy characters, they generally have no ISK on them. In my experience, if your character has ISK on it, its because you bought the account, not the character, which is illegal. You said that you didn't do that. So you purchased a character and it was transferred to your account. And the character you purchased...had ISK on it? Purchased ISK? That doesn't ring true to me. Unless you're saying that the previous owner bought ISK on the character, moved it off the character, then sold you the character? Just sayin'. If the timestamps don't add up, and you really are guilty, instead of them removing the ISK, like they said - you'll get banned. Its one thing to break the rules, its another thing to lie about it to the guys who run it.
Dulcinea Toboso	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Nerogk Shorn I'm pretty sure that direct quoting of petitions is a no no on the forums. Message edited, thanks for the heads up.
Dulcinea Toboso	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:46:00 - [8] Edited by: Dulcinea Toboso on 30/10/2007 20:46:08 Originally by: Curzon Dax Hrm....I'm confused then. When people buy characters, they generally have no ISK on them. In my experience, if your character has ISK on it, its because you bought the account, not the character, which is illegal. You said that you didn't do that. So you purchased a character and it was transferred to your account. And the character you purchased...had ISK on it? Purchased ISK? That doesn't ring true to me. Unless you're saying that the previous owner bought ISK on the character, moved it off the character, then sold you the character? Just sayin'. If the timestamps don't add up, and you really are guilty, instead of them removing the ISK, like they said - you'll get banned. Its one thing to break the rules, its another thing to lie about it to the guys who run it. The player owning the character was a Corp mate and friend. He decided to quit playing and I simply, and publicly, asked if I could have his character (toon). He said, sure. And I paid for the transfer fee.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Dulcinea Toboso at least have the courtesy of sending me a message You don't even have the courtesy of reading the forum rules before posting, yet expect it from others == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Curzon Dax Hrm....I'm confused then. When people buy characters, they generally have no ISK on them. In my experience, if your character has ISK on it, its because you bought the account, not the character, which is illegal. You said that you didn't do that. So you purchased a character and it was transferred to your account. And the character you purchased...had ISK on it? Purchased ISK? That doesn't ring true to me. Unless you're saying that the previous owner bought ISK on the character, moved it off the character, then sold you the character? Just sayin'. If the timestamps don't add up, and you really are guilty, instead of them removing the ISK, like they said - you'll get banned. Its one thing to break the rules, its another thing to lie about it to the guys who run it. theres one other thing that doesnt make sense, why would someone buy isk and then give it to someone else in a character transfer? weird stuff ----------------------------------------------- "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation."

Dulcinea Toboso	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:49:00 - [11] PART 2 The answer I received stated that because the toon had been given to me instead of me having purchased it, they would not be able to return the isk taken from my wallet. This is so wrong on so many levels I really don't have the time nor energy to list them all. But here are some... If I had purchased this character from my friend who left the game and gave me the character for 1 isk, then I guess it would have been OK? wtfo? What is the sense of taking isk away from a loyal, rule abiding player? Is it to punish me? Who is being punished for this rule infraction? The departing player? What is the point of this action, what does it do? Does it preserve the integrity of the game? Is it somehow going to prevent me from some kind of unfair advantage? My combined assets in two accounts exceed 4 billion isk. Is it worth losing a paying customer, who holds two active accounts, over this trivial quantity of isk? Will it satisfy some kind of sense of need to do something about the Eve community's complaints of isk sellers, macro miners, macro ratters, macro missioners, scammers, etc.? Is this why they are doing this to someone who has not committed any infraction? This whole incident has given me a first person perspective of the kind of people who are in charge of administering this game. And it has left me with a bitter taste that I can only eliminate by voting with my feet and walking away from it. CCP are morons. They are so wrapped up in their unreal world that they have lost sight of why we pay on a monthly basis to play. The reason we do so is to have fun.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Dulcinea Toboso What is the point of this action, what does it do? Does it preserve the integrity of the game? Is it somehow going to prevent me from some kind of unfair advantage? My combined assets in two accounts exceed 4 billion isk. Then why is it so hard to sell 41 million ISK of it exactly? Quote: Is it worth losing a paying customer, who holds two active accounts, over this trivial quantity of isk? Will it satisfy some kind of sense of need to do something about the Eve community's complaints of isk sellers, macro miners, macro ratters, macro missioners, scammers, etc.? Is this why they are doing this to someone who has not committed any infraction? Well otherwise it means that anyone who purchases ISK with two accounts can just "give" one with the character they purchased ISK with, avoiding punishment anytime they are threatened with it. Quote: This whole incident has given me a first person perspective of the kind of people who are in charge of administering this game. And it has left me with a bitter taste that I can only eliminate by voting with my feet and walking away from it. Can I have your (non-liquid) stuff? This entire thing seems a little suspicious anyway. If you have eve-mails in your inbox that directly discussed RMT transactions, why didn't you immediately notify the appropriate persons? And if you have so many assets, why couldn't you sell off a mere 2% of those assets to recoup your losses? And if the character was given to you, you haven't lost any of your own assets (on your other characters). ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Barbaro55a Caldari Os Lobos	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:00:00 - [13] I'm allready bored of this thread. I personaly think your not telling the whole truth. Yes CCP should send messages informing when they have removed funs but thats a seperate issue. You bought isk and went 40 mil in debt, a tiny ammount compared to your supposed wealth. You got cought, be a man and deal with it. Originally by: ISD Valorem If someone has hurt you out of game then please talk to family, friends or Police (if necessary)
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:07:00 - [14] simply put, because you didn't invest anything in the character, you are getting exactly what you paid for the isk was paid for illegally and was removed Kudos to the GM's you got ripped off by a corp mate, thats not exactly news I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:09:00 - [15] 4 bil isk? then how is 41 mil a problem? just transfer some isk... tadat, then tarsfer 2 bil, and your fine. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Arkyk Viper Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:13:00 - [16] Edited by: Arkyk on 30/10/2007 21:13:57 Edited by: Arkyk on 30/10/2007 21:13:30 I'll just quote myself from the locked thread: "I can see why they removed the ISK, but at the same time, I wouldn't have put you into the negative. 0 ISK would have been just fine. At least then you could actually play." Originally by: Tarminic Then why is it so hard to sell 41 million ISK of it exactly? Can you sell items without having any money to pay the fee to set the sale up? Originally by: Barbaro55a You bought isk and went 40 mil in debt Are you looking into your crystal ball to see this? ---------------- Mostly harmless.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:18:00 - [17] Edited by: Tarminic on 30/10/2007 21:18:23 Quote: Originally by: Tarminic Then why is it so hard to sell 41 million ISK of it exactly? Can you sell items without having any money to pay the fee to set the sale up? Contracts? Sell it to someone you know via station trade? There are plenty of ways. The OP claimed to have two characters with a combined 4 billion ISK in assets. Couldn't he just transfer ISK from one character to the other? And if the other character is in the positive he could sell some of that character's assets as well. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Arkyk Can you sell items without having any money to pay the fee to set the sale up? Even if this was an issue, and I don't think it is cause I know someone who worked his way out of debt, all you do is make an alt, transfer the items to the alt, sell with the alt, and then send the isk back. Whining to CCP because someone gave you a junk character for free is just stupid. It's not their problem. I don't even understand what your problem is. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Illminatis	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Arkyk Edited by: Arkyk on 30/10/2007 21:13:57 Edited by: Arkyk on 30/10/2007 21:13:30 I'll just quote myself from the locked thread: "I can see why they removed the ISK, but at the same time, I wouldn't have put you into the negative. 0 ISK would have been just fine. At least then you could actually play." Originally by: Tarminic Then why is it so hard to sell 41 million ISK of it exactly? Can you sell items without having any money to pay the fee to set the sale up? Originally by: Barbaro55a You bought isk and went 40 mil in debt Are you looking into your crystal ball to see this? The character had bought 400mil isk and had 350 left. if the GMs took 350mil, then there is a magical 50mil left in game (in the form of a ship/mod, which the GM didn't take). Since this person clearly has more than one account, he can transfer isk to get a positive balance.
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:53:00 - [20] No valid complaint(whine) here imo. Two words: Caveat Emptor It's not CCP's problem - it's yours. Own it and move on. "the Yarr is strong with this one" -Azirapheal

Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:23:00 - [21] YOU BOUGHT ISK - YOU SHOULD BE BANNED. Get over yourself! BOOOOOO ISK FARMER SUPPORTERS.
Arkyk Viper Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.10.31 00:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Illminatis The character had bought 400mil isk and had 350 left. if the GMs took 350mil, then there is a magical 50mil left in game (in the form of a ship/mod, which the GM didn't take). Right, but I don't see that as much of a problem in this case. Apparently this particular situation doesn't happen very often/ever since they didn't even have a policy to cover it, so I would have personally have cut the OP some slack here. But like you guys have said, there are ways around the negative balance, so even then I guess it's not a big deal. Originally by: Frug Whining to CCP because someone gave you a junk character for free is just stupid. We can agree on that. Anybody have any free characters they don't want? =P ---------------- Mostly harmless.
Agif Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:35:00 - [23] I agree He isn't guilty he is just guilty of not doing a transfer of 1 isk for the char which is CCP's crppy way of keeping tabs on this. CCP just give him the isk back he didnt know and the transfer wasn't done for RL money so i dont see a problem here. CCP couldn't throw a party in a brewery successfully anyways let alone fix all the problems in this game so im not surprised complaints of mis management and poor service. My advice take it with a pinch of salt buy a 90 Day GTC and fix ur wallet and dont give ccp the excuse to do this again
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:06:00 - [24] Edited by: Vitrael on 31/10/2007 02:07:03 So wait. You got a character from your friend and the isk came with? So the dirty isk got removed and you're complaining? You got it for free, you don't get to complain when it turns out to be illegitimate and gets taken away. Just donate isk to the character if you want its wallet positive. Had your friend NOT given you the character, the isk still would've gone away. ___________ I learned to accept ship changes months ago. Suddenly I enjoy Eve. You should try it some time.
Dulcinea Toboso	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:51:00 - [25] Originally by: Barbaro55a I'm allready bored of this thread. I personaly think your not telling the whole truth. Yes CCP should send messages informing when they have removed funs but thats a seperate issue. You bought isk and went 40 mil in debt, a tiny ammount compared to your supposed wealth. You got cought, be a man and deal with it. You completely missed the point of the post. The toon that I transfered from a Corp mate had apparently bought isk, I did not. I had no idea that the toon had bought isk in its past. When CCP discovered that this toon had bought isk, they didn't bother to check that it had already been transfered to my account from another, they just took isk. I DIDN'T BUY ISK. Read the thread before you post.
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:55:00 - [26] The isk would have been taken from the character regardless of whether or not you had received it. CCP was in the right. ___________ I learned to accept ship changes months ago. Suddenly I enjoy Eve. You should try it some time.
Sobach Gallente Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:08:00 - [27] If the isk the GM took came with the character, then I say they're just following the rule when taking it away. Sucks for you, but hey, just roll with the punches. If the isk didn't came with the character and you had put those isks there after you got the character, then I'd say you have a valid case for complain.
Devian 666 Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:18:00 - [28] Originally by: Dulcinea Toboso Originally by: Barbaro55a I'm allready bored of this thread. I personaly think your not telling the whole truth. Yes CCP should send messages informing when they have removed funs but thats a seperate issue. You bought isk and went 40 mil in debt, a tiny ammount compared to your supposed wealth. You got cought, be a man and deal with it. You completely missed the point of the post. The toon that I transfered from a Corp mate had apparently bought isk, I did not. I had no idea that the toon had bought isk in its past. When CCP discovered that this toon had bought isk, they didn't bother to check that it had already been transfered to my account from another, they just took isk. I DIDN'T BUY ISK. Read the thread before you post. I understand that the character was given to you for free. The fact that the character has a balance of -41m isk means that you get the character for 41m isk. Seems like a cheap deal for a character. 41m isk is nothing. If you actually have 4b and are whining about 41m you need your head read. Quote: "... I doubt they would have the skillpoints and cap fleet to take and make soverignty over a large established alliance like BoB."
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:35:00 - [29] TEH TOONS, THEY DO NOTHING! Spell with me you 'tard: C H A R A C T E R or A L T It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Ather Ialeas Amarr Exercitus Solus	Posted - 2007.10.31 06:22:00 - [30] You're saying that there's a loophole on how to get bought ISK laundered...just buy it to some character, get expensive gear, leave it to space and pick it up with another character, sell the original character using eBay/some not 100% allowed method, profit in all ways imaginable. Cunning. Courageous, but Pique. -



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