Are there any CSM representatives who represent the majority of the playerbase? (Source: https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png:largehttps://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras 66% of players 5m SP and higher are highsec toons, while 20% are 0.0 toons.)

I know that most nullbears want to force their gameplay style on others. Hell, I was in 0.0 for 2 years. And in the end? I realized I enjoyed highsec more. But according to most 0.0 players, that simply isn't allowed and I should instead quit subscribing to EVE and take my money to WoW. And for what purpose? Because I don't enjoy the same gameplay style that they do?

Here is your first problem. That says "chars on active accounts". Chars is a shortened form of characters. You can have multiple characters per account. Thus it is possible for a player to be spread across null, low and high sec.

For that matter, my primary character spends the majority of her time between 0.4 and 0.6. Yet, I have one account with three characters in high sec split between a number of trade hubs. And two others on this account across two other high-sec trade hubs.

It would be entirely feasible for players in high/low to have characters in high sec as well.

It is less likely for players that identify primarily with high-sec to have characters in low / null sec.

Your conceptual claim around the numbers just does not stack up when you consider it fully. From this simple bit of reasoning, most of your claims about player numbers already fall flat and renders statements like:

"many, if not all, of them represent the minority of players"

When I was in 0.0, I had 2 accounts with 3 characters each out there, as did my gf and friend who played. That's 18 characters in 0.0 between three people. Even now, only 2 of my characters are highsec toons. The others I use as ratting nullbears for easy PLEX money. So does that also mean 0.0 might have less than 20% of the active players, by the same train of thought?

When I was in 0.0, I had 2 accounts with 3 characters each out there, as did my gf and friend who played. That's 18 characters in 0.0 between three people. Even now, only 2 of my characters are highsec toons. The others I use as ratting nullbears for easy PLEX money. So does that also mean 0.0 might have less than 20% of the active players, by the same train of thought?

No, I wouldn't think so as there is a difference in play style between somebody who can/will/accepts PvP and one that avoids it like the plague.

What it comes down to though is that making any claim about player representation from character demographics is dumb.

My question for you still stands - what in the most recent CSM meeting minutes makes you feel as if High Sec is getting the short end of the stick and that this CSM is unbalanced?

CCP won't help because they believe the same thing.

>> 0.0 is EVERYTHING.

Pity they can't spot the reality. To their demise be it.

The game isn't about hi-sec carebear stuff. There is a reason why CCP hasn't released a mining trailer or advertised the game as "Spend hours carrying stuff around space!" I'm pretty sure that most of us joined cause we wanted a sci-fi adventure, and nothing says "Adventure is out there!" like shooting at rocks /sarcasm.

Personally I feel the purpose of Hi-sec is to provide a safe place to make cash so you can go into unsafe places and lose all of that cash. Unless Low/Null is buffed it's rather difficult to try and fund your combat through combat unless you become a suicide ganker or are extremely lucky.

Remember, the game used to be entirely "Combat Space", Hi-sec was introduced to try and make the game a bit more playable, rather than constantly getting blown up as you try to get further into the game.

However that doesn't change the fact that this game is, for the most part, about ship combat, hence why most of the ships in the game are for combat.

Because of this, I feel it is most appropriate that CSM represents the Low/Null community.

this is why you are a complete failure at life

the focus is on 0.0 because 0.0 is totally borked
you morons in empire have plenty to do, let CCP fix what's broken in null now and quit whingeing on and on about how you don't get any fuckin love from CCP

Look at OP's name and corp.
Now look at this dumb OP for attention, nagging about no concern. Just whine and: halp me CCP, halp it's not fair!! all is broken!!

Serious problem? Don't be so naive and stupid. Maybe you should waste more of your time ranting for another paragraph or two. Worst yet, post some more.

How about post on your main account if you got a << Problem? >> or produce more garbage for General Discussion.

Look at OP's name and corp.
Now look at this dumb OP for attention, nagging about no concern. Just whine and: halp me CCP, halp it's not fair!! all is broken!!

Serious problem? Don't be so naive and stupid. Maybe you should waste more of your time ranting for another paragraph or two. Worst yet, post some more.

How about post on your main account if you got a << Problem? >> or produce more garbage for General Discussion.

The game isn't about hi-sec carebear stuff. There is a reason why CCP hasn't released a mining trailer or advertised the game as "Spend hours carrying stuff around space!" I'm pretty sure that most of us joined cause we wanted a sci-fi adventure, and nothing says "Adventure is out there!" like shooting at rocks /sarcasm.

Personally I feel the purpose of Hi-sec is to provide a safe place to make cash so you can go into unsafe places and lose all of that cash. Unless Low/Null is buffed it's rather difficult to try and fund your combat through combat unless you become a suicide ganker or are extremely lucky.

Remember, the game used to be entirely "Combat Space", Hi-sec was introduced to try and make the game a bit more playable, rather than constantly getting blown up as you try to get further into the game.

However that doesn't change the fact that this game is, for the most part, about ship combat, hence why most of the ships in the game are for combat.

Because of this, I feel it is most appropriate that CSM represents the Low/Null community.

Oh and the queen of spoons did have a fairly polished CSM campaign video too. ;) I could barely understand her though.

http://evajobse.net/TakeCare/movie.php

The difference in playstyle being that the player who accepts PvP is going to make more isk for PLEX out there, and be more capable of sustaining multiple accounts, thus resulting in less overall players to characters? Makes sense.

Anyhow, over the past year I've watched level 4s in highsec get nerfed in their drops and locations (many being pushed to lowsec). I've seen PI in highsec get nerfed, mining in highsec get stomped into the ground. And I can't help but wonder- would these changes have taken place if there were more vocal highsec players on the CSM to say "Wait, stop. What are you doing? There are a TON of players who enjoy highsec gameplay and you are basically screwing them over". The changes didn't move anyone into lowsec or 0.0 that weren't already there.

This game is, unfortunately, a combination of two things that tthree different groups of people want. Some want internet spaceships, some want hardcore lose everything PvP and some want a nice mix of both.

I really wish we could get away from that distinction and focus more on EVE Online, a game of risk and reward where you are safe only when docked in a station.

I have to disagree, Eve is about all manner of activities and mining is one of them. Why do you think mining couldn't be made a lot more interesting and rewarding?

The distinction between EVE and the rest is indeed the internet spaceship approach, so that unfortunately is still an important thing to focus on. It is part of what makes EVE... EVE. Along with the mining, marketing, trading, and other things you really can't find in other games. How many trading MMOs exist out there?

i just want to add EvE is what YOU want it to be sadly the nerf nerf nerf this or that ruin big part of it.

I see some ppl say 0.0 is broken in what ways ?

I stayed there for 8 month i think never jumped once in hisec made mad ISK from plex loot NPC rating is just chery on the cake whith the 1 200 000 rats that you chain honesly apart trading there is no any thing that make as muck money that 0.0 that why am mad as some vets that cry about incursion cos is simply not truth.

Oh and the queen of spoons did have a fairly polished CSM campaign video too. ;) I could barely understand her though.

http://evajobse.net/TakeCare/movie.php

I'd say it is more a game of risk versus reward and the various activities relate to that. Mining is a low risk activity (Usually) and thus is a low reward activity; to the point that it can be done just about AFK.



Those are just aspects of the game. The core concept remains as risk and reward, does it not? No matter what activity you partake in (Flying a combat ship, hauling cargo, mining, trading or scamming) and no matter where you do it (null, low, high, mission, Incursion) you are taking a risk seeking a reward.

+1

As far as train wrecks go, that video was awesome! Thank god there were subtitles so I could understand what the hell she was saying and didn't have to look at her face.

Blah blah, blah blah blah. How many trading MMOs exist out there? 0_o

You basically just answered the question you asked. 0.0 is meant to be the PvP space. The mad moneys and all that are there because risk exists, and also to help even out the fact that you A) Will lose a ton of ships and B) Wont be farming as much cause you'll be fighting more.

But what if there is no risk? Well, why wouldn't there be? That's because there are no players. 0_o Look at the chart in the OP. Now, someone once told me that 1/3 of EVE space is made up of highsec. The other 2/3s are lowsec, 0.0 and WH. maybe that's true, maybe not. But if it is, that means that 2/3s of the game is populated by 33% of the characters. How are you going to find PvP like that? You have what... thousands of systems to roam in and look for how many players?

0.0 is broken because you can sit around for months and never get killed. Never risk getting killed. You can afk for hours just floating by a planet, no protection, and still be there when you return. 0_o

Is that really what 0.0 players signed up for? I know it wasn't for me. The only chance I had to get ganked was on the way to and from highsec, and that just ruined the game for me. Hell, highsec was MUCH more dangerous for me, both in a 0.0 corp and an NPC corp. In a 0.0 corp, there was a lot better chance of seeing reds in Jita than seeing them anywhere in 0.0 space. And in an NPC corp I had alts get suicided 10-20x more often since I started this game than I had my 0.0 ratting toons get ganked.

And don't even get me started on how long it takes to find someone when roaming :(

0.0 is very big, and very sparcely populated. :( THAT is why it is broken.

Oh wow I guess there is none genius. *cough* op alt

Op (alt) and to whom it concerns,
Eve is a stand alone game and if you think you failed the game by not having CSM or developers dishing out Cake to a bunch of fat care bears bloated on incursions and spiking PLEX above and beyond, I think everything is just fine for hi sec. How about try and vote in some irrational care bear that only knows 1 side of the game to start screwing things both sides for everyone? Oh, well, that doesn't work that way, I guess CSM are people who actually play the game and were voted by a conceous body than just forum rant alts/accounts of morons.

Have a nice day and good luck with your non existent issue. Play the game. There's nothing of the matter. Get a vote or get out with your alts, or give your stuff away and leave the game. Not a problem for you anymore then.

There is no way to force players to 0.0. You can force players to quit and you can make their game play experience miserable, but in the end the death penalties in this game are so severe that many players who aren't already willing to deal with them, won't be in the future no matter how much stick and how little carrot you use.

Wait. I recall a propaganda poster about someone who got podded and lost Caldari Battleship V because he didn't upgrade his clone.

Always make sure to check your clone can hold your skillpoints and upgrade if necessary.

True, but isn't that the same with Darkfall or UO? I appreciate what you are saying, and you certainly are not wrong... I'm just trying to understand what the distinction of this game vs the others is if this game isn't primarily played to be Internet Spaceships. >_>

This game is, unfortunately, a combination of two things that tthree different groups of people want. Some want internet spaceships, some want hardcore lose everything PvP and some want a nice mix of both.

While YOU may not feel that mining is a viable primary playstyle, there are many who do. Trading, industry, mining, marketing... all HUGE aspects of the game made up of many players who want to enjoy themselves doing just that. Forcing them to PvP and forcing them into combat simply won't happen. They'll do what they do for as long as they can, and then they'll quit when they can't any longer. It's like two little kids playing with toys. If one kid tries to force the other play his way or no way at all, it will likely be no way at all. The other kid will walk away and that will be that.

Why waste money on something that is no longer fun? For now, there are still things highsec "carebears" can do. The day there isn't or it gets nerfed so badly that it just isn't fun anymore, they'll look for something else to do I guess. And I dread that, because I do love seeing 44,000+ users logged in. A grand improvement over the days when the game was "entirely 'Combat Space'", neh?

What is the point of seeing 44,000 users logged in at a time if you are keeping your contact with them at the absolute minimum? If you don't engage in the Massive Multi-PLAYER aspect of the game then why not fill the server up with NPCs?

it is normal that the majority are in hi sec (easy acess to trading hubs, missions probably the first income for many) you go in 0.0 get blow up on first gate poded (as you don't know about clones you lost somme SP) that experiance was realy bad so it may take you while to recover.
Then one day you in hi sec minding you own busseness you pick up can lose youre hi sec not suposed to go boom ship now you need to recober from that.
Thne you take two roads first you are biterr and quit eve and play something else not neseserely WoW or start reading materials understend the game mecanics and soon become the ones from yesteday that scared you.
Is cicle of evE.
This game is not for every one specialy when cry babys try to make it even worst for hi sec players and beter for them so called F1 F2 leet 0.0.

I am not denying that they are major aspects of the game, however combat (when will people ever learn that everything you do involves competing against other players?) is the main focus of the game. If I told my friends "come play eve so we can carry stuff around and shoot rocks" they would probably think the game is dull and boring.

The reason why there is such a large amount of people trying to avoid combat completely is because, despite the focus of the game, players are introduced into a nice cuddly world where the only baddies are NPCs in missions and if anyone dare lay a finger on you CONCORD will be up their butts.

I'm not blaming the "carebears" for their play-style. After all no sane person would join a game advertised and praised for it's combat and expect to go mining. I simply feel that high security is a bit too secure. This causes people, who are already safe to never yearn to try and do dangerous things. That whole "born in the vault, die in the vault" concept in Fallout 3.

I'm fine with people playing however they want, if you want to spend all day shooting at rocks when you can be shooting at people be my guest, in fact I admire people who play how they want.

However people like you are being quite hypocritical, your trying to stop those of us that want combat, from engaging in combat at the expense of your safety, yet if you look at the history of EVE, you will see that combat has been nerfed in favor of safety time and time again.



What is the point of seeing 44,000 users logged in at a time if you are keeping your contact with them at the absolute minimum? If you don't engage in the Massive Multi-PLAYER aspect of the game then why not fill the server up with NPCs?

And yes, it is clear that the introduction of hi-sec did indeed help the game. Like I said, myself and many others out there rely on Hi-Sec to make some cash. However, if Hisec only accounts for 1/4 to 1/3rd (don't know the exact numbers) of the games systems it is very clear that EVE is still meant to be combat focused.

If you had said "Eve is still meant to be "CONFLICT" focused you would have had me at "I".

(UNLESS you can't access the medical tab in your station and you are bound there- such as an old player who left for a while and returned months/years later. THEN it just sucks to be you... be prepared to lose a few skills trying to get to highsec/another medical facility).

Are there any CSM representatives who represent the majority of the playerbase? (Source: https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png:largehttps://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras 66% of players 5m SP and higher are highsec toons, while 20% are 0.0 toons.)

GǪso in other words, most likely, only some 40% of players are actual proper highsec players.

Are there any CSM representatives who represent the majority of the playerbase? (Source: https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png:largehttps://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras 66% of players 5m SP and higher are highsec toons, while 20% are 0.0 toons.)

Tippia, think about it .....

Even if they are not their mains, the "actual" characters are still High sec toons.

The point is: the characters are irrelevant. It's the player that matters. If the player can stomach not living in highsec, then he can stomach not living in highsec, no matter how many of his characters do.

When people pull out that number to suggest that somehow highsec players are a majority, they're just dead wrong: it's far more likely that a minority of players are highsec players, and most of them can (and do) live just fine outside of highsec. Do they take advantage of highsec? Sure, but that's just because they'd be stupid not to GÇö not that they can't live without it (which is what the GÇ£highsec is majorityGÇ¥-nutters want to make everyone believe).

GǪand to expand on and provide more data points to the issue Malc illustrates above:

I live and operate out of highsec. (Nearly) every time I dock, I do it in a highsec station, because I take the time to go GÇ£back homeGÇ¥ before logging off. But I still only operate out of highsec GÇö I frequently go gallivanting around lowsec and shallow nullsec. Am I a highsec player? Given the argumentation I present on these boards, would my highsec living make me a good representative of the highsec players if I were on the CSM?

Would you think it wise to open a thread discussing the reasons for regional bias and discrimination and how relevant they are, or do you think I would be mostly wasting my time with it?

For what it's worth, Eve University CEO, Kelduum Revaan has already thrown his fedora into the upcoming election... he is a reasonable and respectable human being.

Since we pay 66% of subs, if there is anyone who should shut up, it is you.

Why do so many morons here think they are to decide what eve is about?

A company makes a game about making profit, not about your heyIamhardcore&toughinvideogame.

Since we pay 66% of subs, if there is anyone who should shut up, it is you.

Who's GÇ£weGÇ¥?

Why do so many morons here think they are to decide what eve is about?

A company makes a game about making profit, not about your heyIamhardcore&toughinvideogame.

Since we pay 66% of subs, if there is anyone who should shut up, it is you.

Who's GÇ£weGÇ¥?

players have other ways to enjoy ourselves rahter than ruining other's day, or simply don't like being pawns of some arrogant jerks who take a game too seriously.

That's right, we won't be organized. That's why CCP can never know how many subs they already lost.

I for one play the game simply because I like flying spaceship, not because it's some cruel mercyless universe full of sociopath. The space jerk part of the game is something I can take, not the highlight I like.

players have other ways to enjoy ourselves rahter than ruining other's day, or simply don't like being pawns of some arrogant jerks who take a game too seriously.

That's right, we won't be organized. That's why CCP can never know how many subs they already lost.

I for one play the game simply because I like flying spaceship, not because it's some cruel mercyless universe full of sociopath. The space jerk part of the game is something I can take, not the highlight I like.

To quote one of the CCP devs - 'Eve isn't supposed to look like a cold, dark, merciless universe. It is supposed to BE a cold dark merciless universe.'

CSM democracy is just badly broken.

If 200,000 carebears vote for 20 carebear PvE candidates, they get 10,000 votes each
If 100,000 nulsec players vote for 4 nulsec PvP candidates, those get 25,000 votes each.

How is this outcome and CSM representative for the player population?

OookayGǪ but who's this GǣweGǥ who pay 66% of the subs?

CSM democracy is just badly broken.

If 200,000 carebears vote for 20 carebear PvE candidates, they get 10,000 votes each
If 100,000 nulsec players vote for 4 nulsec PvP candidates, those get 25,000 votes each.

How is this outcome and CSM representative for the player population?
Let people vote for ideas, not candidates, to see what the playerbase really wants.

Or do pre-elections like the americans do and have only 2 candidates or parties.

Seeing as how there are 14 CSM seats, your example would mean that there would be 4 nullsec CSM members and 10 Highsec CSM members.

The real problem is that you don't produce candidates and you don't vote.

The problem with CSM is the same problem with any political system. The available representatives are mouth pieces for those with the resources. The resources are in null. And so, that's where the representation comes from and whom they represent.

Right at this moment, 3 of my 6 "toons" are in hi-sec systems, 1 is in lo-sec, while the other two are in Venal. Am I a "high sec player"?

If I were a CSM, would you say that I was unable to represent hi-sec players? Or would I be unable to represent 0.0 players?

Anyhow, over the past year I've watched level 4s in highsec get nerfed in their drops and locations (many being pushed to lowsec). I've seen PI in highsec get nerfed, mining in highsec get stomped into the ground. And I can't help but wonder- would these changes have taken place if there were more vocal highsec players on the CSM to say "Wait, stop. What are you doing? There are a TON of players who enjoy highsec gameplay and you are basically screwing them over". The changes didn't move anyone into lowsec or 0.0 that weren't already there. All it did was just make them a little more miserable. Honestly, I don't see the point.

I could go for another repeat of Ankhtehblahblah

That drama was extra entertaining.

Mayby cos i like to play solo ? Did that cross you mind ? Do you know that i did the whole LFD 2 in hard mode whith only boots as co ops ? Why cos i like chalenge. Why i dont play whith ppl most of times becose once you enter group you become the group. You can engage in solo play but what if i dont want to go on TS cos am lisening to music or don't want to hear you voice at all.

See for you is MMO for me is sinle player game and you try to prevent me from playing it the way i want but is ok i can shoot ppl in the face no bigie sadly some ppl can't why not understend them why ***** at them ?

A bannana is a fruit , many people eat banannas, many of those people also watch TV. It is clear that TV is intended to make people focus on eating fruit!

I think your logic falls apart. Eve as stated by CCP is a sandbox where everyone competes. That is a fact and every player lives that in Eve no matter what they do. But to say Eve is combat focused because only 1/3 of the players live in high sec is a stretch. I can make a better case for Eve being a giant ecconomic simulator that is driven by many factors that includes PvP ship combat. CCP hired an economist but has not hired an expert on naval warfare. That might be a hint.

Here is a simple mental exersise you could try. Imagine Eve these ways

1. No markets - Eve would die almost immediately. No motivation to build anything other than to use it yourself to fight. You couldn't support combat for any lenght of time before you were down to noob frigate fleets.

2. No PvP ship combat - Eve would be a different game for sure but with enough PvE combat to pick up the slack and additions of mechanisms to let someone control the resources with some other sort of activity Eve would probably still be a pretty good game and maybe about as healthy as it is now.

I'll step up for hi sec empire players, let me be your voice on the CSM. I think it's time Empire was represented and your voice heard.
Right after being elected , I will push for the following :

1. Docking/ Redocking delay of 15 minutes- As you sit there admiring your Raven Navy issue with officer mods, I think it's unfair that you don't get a chance to use them against another player.So when you get aggro from someone/WT you can show them the mistake they made in taking you on in your officer mod fitted ship.

2. Move level 4 missions to low sec and level 5 missions to NPC null. Empire is way too crowded, you need more room to get these missions done.

3. Make Incursion systems 0.0 systems for the duration of the Incursion. That way you can bring in the heavy stuff to really show Sansha a thing or two.

Who's with me ?

A bannana is a fruit , many people eat banannas, many of those people also watch TV. It is clear that TV is intended to make people focus on eating fruit!

GǪexcept that bananas are berries.

Oh and the queen of spoons did have a fairly polished CSM campaign video too. ;) I could barely understand her though.

http://evajobse.net/TakeCare/movie.php

Will you vote for the Voice of Reason candidates if we promise to throw sporks?

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Caandidate

Many of the nullsec dwellers just assume that everyone in highsec is scared of PvP and avoids it at all costs. This blanket assumption is simply not true. Nullsec dwellers fail to understand that it's not PvP they're avoiding, but rather the unpleasantries that accompany 0.0 and lowsec.

What unpleasantries you ask?

Ankh probably got elected because she was hard-core bat-**** crazy enough to do the work required to get elected as a (generally) high/low-sec rep. Of course the prob is that once elected, that person is still hard-core bat-**** crazy...

All characters on my 3 accounts are in highsec currently, yet I want to see it nerfed into the ground.

I guess I'm not the only one - so the OPs assumption that those 66% living in highsec also want it to be buffed is flawed.

Her campaign goals, from start to finish, were: All glory to the Ankhnotoad!

The game is classified as an MMO, EVERYONE who reviews the game, plays the game, and made the game will acknowledge that the game is indeed an MMO and the purpose of which is to try and interact with other players. I get it, we all like to play solo once in a while, but playing the entire game by yourself when you could play with any number of 44,000 people is just ridiculous. Your better off playing SPORE in the Space Stage because that's essentially what you are doing here.

Plus playing with bots doesn't make a game harder. Enemies are stupid and teammates actually work as a team. With actual people you have to worry about smart enemies and generally ignorant teammates.

Both my mains are in 0.0, 3 of the 6 characters on my account are in hi-sec, and I want hi-sec to be improved beyond all recognition.

Her basic MO was to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt about the other candidates. She'd basically make stuff up about the other guys running for CSMs [THEY'RE COMING FOR YOUR MISSIONS!!!11] and evemailed it directly to the local list or just straight up posted it in local in trade hubs.

Then she made a boatload of vague promises to "protect hi-sec" from these fictitious threats, and, so far as I know, never actually delivered any real result whatsoever other than feeding her own titanic ego and exposing her massive ignorance of the the way EVE works.

Her campaign goals, from start to finish, were: All glory to the Ankhnotoad!

GǪbut to be fair, your version of GǣimprovementGǥ might be a bit unorthodox since it doesn't entail massive security increases and equally massive additions of 23.5/7-gushing ISK geysers.

The problem with CSM is the same problem with any political system. The available representatives are mouth pieces for those with the resources. The resources are in null. And so, that's where the representation comes from and whom they represent. The CSM is rife with the pitfalls of any RL political system. One need only look at one's own country for an analog.

While Tippia's conclusions are logical, they might not be correct. One can't look at population and representation in order to make conclusions here. Certainly the ghettos of the world outnumber the posh suburban neighborhoods of the wealthy. Yet, representation is clearly in the favor of the few with resources.

I would caution CCP for allowing RL dynamics to overly influence a game which many play to escape their real lives. If there aren't any routes for the escapist to pursue then the escapist will look elsewhere.

High sec does not need a representative in the CSM in such manner that said rep would "protect" the interests of high sec or seek to improve it.

What is really needed are high sec CSMs who will work on making the game more enthusiastic towards getting out of high sec with additional content that is not limited to who you are renting from or whose pet you are going to be.

Were it up to me to represent high sec in a voting body, I would certainly push for more ways to get people into null without the overhead of corp politics and drama, and most important: something has to be done about the Great Wall of Carebear comprised of gate camps and blob tactics. There are bears on both sides of that wall, by the way, but the warp bubble need to fall to the wayside and the combat probe dominate in need before anything is going to change.

This is a very good point. Nothing will put a sour taste in a highsec's mouth toward nullsec like getting raped at a gate camp in the first lowsec system they pass through.

I endorse null sec overlords for CSM, because they dont give a **** about High sec. They leave it the way it is..

This is a very good point. Nothing will put a sour taste in a highsec's mouth toward nullsec like getting raped at a gate camp in the first lowsec system they pass through.

As a general rule it takes 10 people to bust the gatecamp in EC- on the Torrinos gate, which goes straight from highsec to nullsec. If there is a camp there at all(there are always bubbles, but not always people).

Speaking of which, I am not sure whether to be humiliated that you didn't think my manifesto was worth even criticising or complimented that you thought it was so majestically perfect that you had nothing to add.

Then she made a boatload of vague promises to "protect hi-sec" from these fictitious threats, and, so far as I know, never actually delivered any real result whatsoever other than feeding her own titanic ego and exposing her massive ignorance of the the way EVE works.

She'd basically make stuff up about the other guys running for CSMs [THEY'RE COMING FOR YOUR MISSIONS!!!11]

the actual number of 'hisec players' in eve is radically overestimated, i suspect, because so much of hisec is secretly a low, null or w-space alt

the actual pure hisec players have a comical view of being in the majority and are very self-righteous, while they are literally surrounded by people who hold them in utter contempt

well, see yah

I am not denying that they are major aspects of the game, however combat (when will people ever learn that everything you do involves competing against other players?) is the main focus of the game.

Add in the basely guesses and assumptions vs real, graphically represented numbers from a CCP employee simply because the current statistics don't work in favor of his own personal beliefs and you have a real winner here.

the actual number of 'hisec players' in eve is radically overestimated, i suspect, because so much of hisec is secretly a low, null or w-space alt

the actual pure hisec players have a comical view of being in the majority and are very self-righteous, while they are literally surrounded by people who hold them in utter contempt

Wow... this is basically the perfect example of why highsec players are scared that they have little to no representation and that the CSM would screw them over the first chance they got. Add in the basely guesses and assumptions vs real, graphically represented numbers from a CCP employee simply because the current statistics don't work in favor of his own personal beliefs and you have a real winner here.

Folks, I present to you your CSM.

but that doesn't mean that combat is the whole focus of this game...it's just the thing that greases the wheels

High sec does not need a representative in the CSM in such manner that said rep would "protect" the interests of high sec or seek to improve it.

What is really needed are high sec CSMs who will work on making the game more enthusiastic towards getting out of high sec with additional content that is not limited to who you are renting from or whose pet you are going to be.

Were it up to me to represent high sec in a voting body, I would certainly push for more ways to get people into null without the overhead of corp politics and drama, and most important: something has to be done about the Great Wall of Carebear comprised of gate camps and blob tactics. There are bears on both sides of that wall, by the way, but the warp bubble need to fall to the wayside and the combat probe dominate in need before anything is going to change.

That would be interesting numbers which we'll never see. Jita at least (maybe some other market systems) would be chock full of market alts.

something along the lines of only 25% of characters in Jita having more than 5M SP. Sure, some of the remaining 75% might simply be new players, but that's still a whole lot of trade alts.

the actual number of 'hisec players' in eve is radically overestimated, i suspect, because so much of hisec is secretly a low, null or w-space alt

the actual pure hisec players have a comical view of being in the majority and are very self-righteous, while they are literally surrounded by people who hold them in utter contempt

well, see yah

Wow... this is basically the perfect example of why highsec players are scared that they have little to no representation and that the CSM would screw them over the first chance they got. Add in the basely guesses and assumptions vs real, graphically represented numbers from a CCP employee simply because the current statistics don't work in favor of his own personal beliefs and you have a real winner here.

Folks, I present to you your CSM.

smh