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Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 03:44:00 - [1] Bopping around Amarr space in my Maulus I was aghast to see how wretched the starting systems were in regards to ore. The mining inclined new players of EVE and just those doing agent missions have a hard time of actually finding an asteroid, never mind extracting sufficient amount out of it in their starting system. Since CCP seems to think of this as Someone Elses Problem (somone else being the new players) what we can do is to name and shame those corporations that show a complete lack of consideration towards those just starting the game, thereby possibly damaging it's success. The first steps in EVE are hard enough (getting to know how basic things work takes days and weeks) without established corporations doing their best to hinder the first steps of the new citizens. So I made a quick trip to the 3 starting Amarr systems and below you find the results of my survey of the empty asteroid belts. These corporations should be ashamed, remove their containers at once and stay out of 1.0 space with their mining operations. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 03:44:00 - [2] Emrayur (Amarr Starting System) IV-1 CTE (Cni Tnayovrialc Eht) - Large Secure IG (Imperial Dreams) - Large Secure x2 MPIP (Murkon Prime Interstellar Productions) - Large Secure (adcan) FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) PLEIO (Pleione Inc) - Small Secure (adcan) TACTI (Tactical Logistics) - Small Secure (adcan) RATI (Rat Annhiliation Incorporated) - Large Secure + Huge Secure VI-1 ATUK (Arcane Techologies) - Giant Secure PRV (Privateer Trade and Investment Corp.) - Giant Secure x2 MONK (Hooded Monk Mining Industries) - Large Secure (adcan) IG (Imperial Dreams) - Large Secure x4 N.I. (Neutral Industries) - Large Secure MPIP (Murkon Prime Interstellar Productions) - Large Secure x2 + Large Secure (adcan) FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) O.R.E (Orbital Reclamation and Excavation) - Small Secure (adcan) JJ (jojojow Corp) - 4x Large Secure [one man corp] -GE- (The Galactic Empire) - Medium Secure VIII-1 UO (United Outworlders Corporation) - Large Secure CVLC (Crimson Void Logistics) - Large Secure MPIP (Murkon Prime Interstellar Productions) - Large Secure (adcan) NBINC (New Beginning INC) - Small Secure (adcan) FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) TACTI (Tactical Logistics) - Small Secure (adcan) ANGEL (Angel Constellation) - Giant Secure x4, Large Secure FUSE (Fusion inc) - Giant Secure x5 VIII-2 IG (Imperial Dreams) - Giant Secure x9 OTC (Ota Corps) - Large Secure x2 L.I. (Liberty Industries) - Large Secure x5 SINV (Sol'Invictus) - Large Secure MPIP (Murkon Prime Interstellar Productions) - Large Secure (adcan) FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) O.R.E (Orbital Reclamation and Excavation) - Small Secure (adcan) Emrayur "Champion": Imperial Dreams - Large Secure x6, Giant Secure x9 -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 03:45:00 - [3] Chaven (Amarr Starting System) II-1 DARKO (Dark Omega Corp) - Large Secure L-F (Laissez-Faire) - Giant Secure x2 L.A.W (Imperial Judges) - Giant Secure x2 U-S-M (United Systems Military) - Giant Secure MYT (Myst Technologies) - Large Secure x2 FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) PLEIO (Pleione Inc) - Small Secure (adcan) DRS (Dark Seraph) - Small Secure UNF (UNF) - Small Secure (adcan) III-1 DARKO (Dark Omega Corp) - Large Secure ACME. (A.C.M.E. Corp) - Giant Secure x2, Large Secure CLOG (Capital Logistics) - Giant Secure U-S-M (United Systems Military) - Large Secure BNC (Black Nova Corp) - Giant Secure x2 FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) TBG (The Black Guards) - Giant Secure x12 VI-1 OEC (O.E.C.) - Giant Secure x2 ACME. (A.C.M.E. Corp) - Giant Secure x3 REDD (The Red Dragon) - Giant Secure EIB (Eurisko International Business Inc.) - Large Secure x2 FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) VIII-1 ASW (Asgard Schiffswerften) - Giant Secure O R C (O R C Outrage Compliant) - Giant Secure G T I (German Tech Industries) - Giant Secure x3 FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) Chaven "Champion": The Black Guards - Giant Secure x12 -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 03:45:00 - [4] Sehmy (Amarr Starting System) VI-1 DUST (Stardust Heavy Industries) - Giant Secure x5 GQ (Galactic Quest) - Small Secure (adcan) FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) VII-1 TSSR (The Stainless Steel Rats) - Giant Secure, Huge Secure FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) VII-2 STC (Setenta Corp) - Giant Secure x2 SONNE (Sonnema) - Giant Secure UDIE (Burn Eden) - Giant Secure x7 FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) VII-3 FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) Sehmy "Champion": Burn Eden - Giant Secure x7 -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 03:48:00 - [5] In regards to the Small Secure adcans (Fuall managing to enter every belt, impressive attention to detail) then they are per se not a mining operation module. However it should show you how cluttered many of those asteroid belts are. Finding an asteroid is harder than not bumping into a container. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Xenu	Posted - 2004.02.28 04:12:00 - [6] ::yawn:: ________________________________________________________
cypriss	Posted - 2004.02.28 05:10:00 - [7] Edited by: cypriss on 28/02/2004 05:12:05 Sehmy "Champion": Burn Eden - Giant Secure x7 woot. wht did we win?? actually those cans sit there empty. we haven't mined in sehmy since our newb corp. but having a low sec rating the owner of those cans can't get into high sec space anymore. i can remember when those rocks weren't too bad in size. and they are striped bare now?
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 10:39:00 - [8] Quote: actually those cans sit there empty. we haven't mined in sehmy since our newb corp. but having a low sec rating the owner of those cans can't get into high sec space anymore. i can remember when those rocks weren't too bad in size. and they are striped bare now? Sehmy actually has more asteroids than containers, which is unique in high security space. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Jazzatola	Posted - 2004.02.28 10:40:00 - [9] Anyone have a list of all the starting systems? Thx.
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 10:42:00 - [10] Quote: Anyone have a list of all the starting systems? Thx. Funny guy. No shame. Less than zero honor. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
zincol	Posted - 2004.02.28 10:51:00 - [11] You must be bored :-/ Poor nub's got nuffin 2 mine awww! Kestral pilots just pop the nubs ne ways..lol w00t!
Jazzatola	Posted - 2004.02.28 10:53:00 - [12] Hehe. I'm serious. I don't want to spoil their little mining parties but if anyone could provide a list of the starting systems of all four races that would be great. Thx.
Karol Kei	Posted - 2004.02.28 10:59:00 - [13] zincol, man, you are so cool. Can I have your autograph, please?
MiloMorai	Posted - 2004.02.28 11:11:00 - [14] Edited by: MiloMorai on 28/02/2004 11:16:27 Edited by: MiloMorai on 28/02/2004 11:13:32 Just make sure you say our name right, F U All.
Jowen Datloran	Posted - 2004.02.28 11:18:00 - [15] "For You All"? Are you giving things away? ---------------- What's a rumor on page one is a fact on page two
MiloMorai	Posted - 2004.02.28 11:21:00 - [16] Edited by: MiloMorai on 28/02/2004 11:21:45 Nice guess Jowen, but try again. Hint, it's a fun bedroom activity.
Krashtest	Posted - 2004.02.28 11:24:00 - [17] Here is a list of all the starter systems. Domain, Parud, Chaven Kor-Azor, Gebem, Sehmy Tash-Murkon, Arvachah, Emrayur Heimatar, Sveipar, Ammold Heimatar, Ortner, Hulm, Metropolis, Meinigfur, Ryddinjorn The Forge, Kimotoro, Kisogo Lonetrek, Sela, Amsen Lonetrek, Karnola, Togaki Essence, Crux, Duripant Sinq Laison, Nexus, Bourynes Verge Vendor, Anwyns, Cistuvaert. Your Mega Afocal Pulse Maser I perfectly strikes Asteroid (Veldspar) [R0ME], wrecking for 798.3 damage. Your 425mm Railgun I perfectly strikes Guardian Captain, wrecking for 685.9 damage.
Jazzatola	Posted - 2004.02.28 11:57:00 - [18] Thanks Krashtest. Now where did I put those containers.....
Redw00f	Posted - 2004.02.28 12:01:00 - [19] rauka I think you should send in a petition and a GM will come and remove the containers, easy fix IMO
Annoying Bug	Posted - 2004.02.28 12:12:00 - [20] or maybe try a new occupation: ACB (AFK Container Bashing)
Eneroth	Posted - 2004.02.28 12:25:00 - [21] Quote: Here is a list of all the starter systems. Domain, Parud, Chaven Kor-Azor, Gebem, Sehmy Tash-Murkon, Arvachah, Emrayur Heimatar, Sveipar, Ammold Heimatar, Ortner, Hulm, Metropolis, Meinigfur, Ryddinjorn The Forge, Kimotoro, Kisogo Lonetrek, Sela, Amsen Lonetrek, Karnola, Togaki Essence, Crux, Duripant Sinq Laison, Nexus, Bourynes Verge Vendor, Anwyns, Cistuvaert. Kisogo my birth place :-) -Any fool can pull a trigger.-
fras	Posted - 2004.02.28 14:50:00 - [22] I honestly don't think BS mine in starter systems anymore. I just think the ore regen is incredibly slow.
Tar Magen	Posted - 2004.02.28 15:19:00 - [23] A well-researched post that highlights the problem very well. This is clearly a flaw in the design of the game. There's always going to be a selfish element in any MMOG that adheres to the philosophy of a bacterium, "Eat as fast as I can! Nuts to the colony! Nuts to the future!". The only way to address this is to code in some checks and bounds.
Parallax Error	Posted - 2004.02.28 17:35:00 - [24] Aren't we in Imperial Dreams the scum of the earth? Ninja mining all that lovely veldspar from underneath the newbies noses? Nothing to do with the fact that we regularly recruit brand new players and teach them how to play from the ground up. So errrm yeah.... when you see us mining in battleships in 1.0 systems then you might have a point. Until then, shut up, go back to your pointless existance and stop bringing idiotic half-truths to the boards. It makes you look very stupid when you don't know whats going on.
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 17:50:00 - [25] Edited by: Raudka on 28/02/2004 17:51:45 Quote: Aren't we in Imperial Dreams the scum of the earth? Ninja mining all that lovely veldspar from underneath the newbies noses? Nothing to do with the fact that we regularly recruit brand new players and teach them how to play from the ground up. So errrm yeah.... when you see us mining in battleships in 1.0 systems then you might have a point. Until then, shut up, go back to your pointless existance and stop bringing idiotic half-truths to the boards. It makes you look very stupid when you don't know whats going on. Once you recruit them you might want to move them to a 0.9 system? Your manner sadly seems to confirm your corporations conduct. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.02.28 18:00:00 - [26] Ok, that's nice. Now stop flaming each other. I don't enjoy locking threads but I will if you don't stop flaming. It is possible to have different opinions without bashing each others heads in.. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
Eneroth	Posted - 2004.02.28 23:54:00 - [27] Quote: Ok, that's nice. Now stop flaming each other. I don't enjoy locking threads but I will if you don't stop flaming. It is possible to have different opinions without bashing each others heads in.. nope not possible. We are born to fight ppl that dont think the same as us. -Any fool can pull a trigger.-
Silinary	Posted - 2004.02.29 00:16:00 - [28] I personally agree that any decent corp will not mine in a newb sector with the sole exception of recruiting and trying to find new players to employ. I can safly say that Imptech doesn't do this (as I discourage it) and if you ever see a member of ImpTech mining in a new player system, let me know and I'll have them re-located. You can do anything you set your mind to.
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.01 10:47:00 - [29] Ammold (Minmatar starting system) I-1 CRTL (C.A.R.T.E.L) - Small Secure (adcan) FMC (The Friendly Mining Company) - Small Secure (adcan) HEL (Hells Fury) - Large Secure x7 IONC (Ion Corp.) - Giant Secure ITE (Independendt Trading Elite) - 2x Large Secure LDY (Lightspeed Drive Yards) - Huge Secure NEX (Nexus Inc) - Small Secure (adcan) NOAN (Nocturnus Angelus) - 2x Giant Secure OP CL (Opius Clan) - Giant Secure RG (Roving Guns Inc.) - Large Secure VMC (Veratech Military Corps.) - Large Secure WEDGE (The Wedge) - Medium Secure NPC corp - 15x Large Secure, 2x Medium Secure, 2x small Secure adcan Total of 0 asteroids and 39 containers! IV-1 A.T.C (Advance Tech Corp.) - Giant Secure CPA (Crimson Permanent Assurance) - 5x Large Secure GFINC (Goodfellas Inc.) - 3x Large Secure IONC (Ion Corp.) - Giant Secure L.O.D (Legion of Doom) - Giant Secure LGW (The Lone Gunwoman) - 8x Large Secure (one woman corp) ORES (O.R.E. Syndicate) - Large Secure OTC (Ota Corps) - Large Secure SKUF (skuf) - 2x Large Secure SPHER (Spehere of Influence) - 4x Large Secure TAG (The Avengean Guard) - Large Secure TCD (The Core Domination) - Large Secure TLSW (The Legion of Steel Warriors....) - Large Secure 1x NPC corp Small Secure Again 0 asteroids. IX-1 EVER (Everlasting Vendetta) - Giant Secure HHT (Head Hunters Tribe) - 2x Huge Secure NERD (N.E.R.D. Inc) - 2x Giant Secure NPC corp - 3x Giant Secure, 1x Medium Secure 10 small Veldspar! Remarkable!!! IX-2 AIM (Association Independent Minmatar) - Medium Secure A-N (Assassin-Nation) - Giant Secure FMC (The Friendly Mining Company) - Small Secure (adcan) IONC (Ion Corp.) - 3x Giant Secure ORES (O.R.E. Syndicate) - Huge Secure UNO X (Uno Equis) - Large Secure X-TEC (X-Technologies) - Small Secure (outdated! adcan) NPC corp - 1x Huge Secure, 7x Large Secure, 2x Giant Secure V-1 -HC- (Hegemonic Core) - Medium Secure REDCO (Red Corsairs.) - Large Secure NPC corp - 6x Large Secure VIII-1 ATI (Applied Technologies Inc) - Large Secure F-E (Forsaken Empire) - 3x Giant Secure, Huge Secure FMC (The Friendly Mining Company) - Small Secure (adcan) M.I.A (Minmatar Industrial Activists) - Giant Secure Several asteroids! VIII-2 BPC (BPC) - 1x Giant Secure (named "Stripping a NOOB belt near you") FTG (Freethinkers Guild) - 2x Large Secure ITCO (Infinite Trinity Corp.) - Giant Secure NOUNI (University Slackers) - 4x Giant Secure SPHER (Sphere of Influence) - 7x Large Secure, 5x Giant NPC corp - 1x Giant Secure, 8x Large Secure VIII-3 A-N (Assassin-Nation) - Huge Secure ASY (Asylum Industries) - 4x Large Secure CBINC (CBI) - 3x Huge Secure FMC (The Friendly Mining Company) - Small Secure (adcan) .ICE. (Ice is coming to Eve) - Small Secure ITE (Independendt Trading Elite) - Giant Secure ORES (O.R.E. Syndicate) - Large Secure TWIB (Twilight Brotherhood) - Medium Secure NPC corp - 3x Huge Secure, 3x Large Secure -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.01 10:50:00 - [30] My question to CCP is very simple. How are you making life easier for new players in starting system? In fact.. how are you making life possible for them in regards of mining? Last I knew tutorial missions included supplying the agent with ore. Has this changed? The naming and shaming is going to continue. Starting in a complex world and environment such as EVE is hard enough without even slightly more experienced players making your first steps that much harder. If we want to break the records by thousands we need to be able to offer the new players a starting chance. Frigates only mining in 1.0 or something? -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Telos Sascheros	Posted - 2004.03.01 11:36:00 - [31] When I started this char in Duripant a couple of weeks back, I had to jump 2 systems away to find one roid. Then I flew back to Duripant started shooting at a giant container with my civ guns all the while cursing in local. :D Anyway, emptying starting systems is lame. They should be for starting players only. If you join a corp go mine somewhere else, I bet one could survive in 0.9 with a corp to back you up. :P Maybe CCP should atleast make roids spawn a tad faster in those systems. Also that idea of "only frigates can mine in 1.0" sounds mighty good. ----------------------------------------------- Stand tall and shake the Heavens.
Riddari	Posted - 2004.03.01 11:55:00 - [32] Quote: I bet one could survive in 0.9 with a corp to back you up. :P Last I knew 0.9 did not spawn NPC rats? ¼©¼ a history
Telos Sascheros	Posted - 2004.03.01 12:13:00 - [33] Quote: Last I knew 0.9 did not spawn NPC rats? Exactly ----------------------------------------------- Stand tall and shake the Heavens.
csebal	Posted - 2004.03.01 12:40:00 - [34] Edited by: csebal on 01/03/2004 12:42:49 Well, I think you cant blame miners for going into systems without pirates to mine. Mining with 8 lasers AND 10 harvies is much more productive than with 8 lasers alone, as you are unable to use mining drones in pirate infected belts, because the prats tend to target them first. 10 harvies mean abt 30% more yield = 30% more profit. Woudlnt pirates go for defenseless mining drones first, a lot of miners would happily wander into lower sec space. Additionally, its not a shame, but a simple problem, that newbs are faced with belts of containers instead of belts of ore. Solution #1: Make containers mineable. ;) Solution #2: Close down the newb systems for ships larger than frigates. So no cruisers / battleships in those systems, and you have nice n fat belts for newbs to mine. This means: larger ships should be unable to dock, plus they should be unable to enter these systems. Sure, there are many problems with this, like transit traffic, but with some gate tweaking, CCP couold create alternative routes. ------------- This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way. -------------
Sqalevon	Posted - 2004.03.01 12:50:00 - [35] I remember back in the old days when we were all happy miners in Perimeter and after 4 hours since downtime all the belts were stripped :D
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.01 13:37:00 - [36] Quote: I think you cant blame miners for going into systems without pirates to mine. Mining with 8 lasers AND 10 harvies is much more productive than with 8 lasers alone, as you are unable to use mining drones in pirate infected belts, because the prats tend to target them first. 10 harvies mean abt 30% more yield = 30% more profit. And they have other 1.0 space (non starter systems), 0.9 space (no NPC drones), 0.8 to 0.5 space (weak NPC drones) to do that. They should NOT be doing it in the starting systems if they seriously want EVE to become bigger than the fringe MMO it is. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Vogon	Posted - 2004.03.01 14:16:00 - [37] Edited by: Vogon on 01/03/2004 14:18:41 Edited by: Vogon on 01/03/2004 14:17:59 Actually secure containers are just polution. People buy em, leave em, maybe leave the game altogether. Their cans stay and its got us to the crazy situation we are now in. Maybe it would be better for all secure containers to have a life, say one month. At the end of this time they blow up. This would make people responsible for their junk and make for a greener universe. Other than that please you miners be return to the greener option of jet mining....
Koda	Posted - 2004.03.01 14:59:00 - [38] Venturing to a belt in high sec space is often met with a disparaging look at the navigation computer and a "WTF?" It's as if thousands of roids cried out and were suddenly silenced." -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Jaris Starforge	Posted - 2004.03.01 20:04:00 - [39] heres a possable solution go to a belt full of cargo containers blow them up and wait for the asteroids to re spawn there should be a few good ones spawned as the lack of containrers will cause asteroidsd to grow again
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2004.03.02 00:38:00 - [40] This really is an odd topic. I really don't see how n00bs can't mine in a starter system. Even if it's baby 'roids it still takes forever for a basic miner to exhaust it.... Posting for Numbnutz
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.02 01:07:00 - [41] It's called first impression. You go out to mine your very first batch for your agent and you are greeted with 30+ cargo cans and have trouble spotting a lone baby veldspar. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA	Posted - 2004.03.02 10:04:00 - [42] Raudka I think I say this for everyone please end yourself. XKTHXBYEX
Khull	Posted - 2004.03.02 11:46:00 - [43] I think the problem stretches further than just the noob areas. I hunt arround - avoiding 1.0 - to find a decent place to mine anything and most of the belts from 0.7 upwards within any reasonable distance of the 1.0 space are usually stripped of anything other than a few measly veldspar rock. Now you can flame me for it - dont care - but i prefer playing a game without the player vs player combat so i stay in 0.5 Im not sure even respawning the roids more often will make a massive difference because the strip mining corps will just redouble their efforts. I do think some systems are lacking in a good ammount of belts, and agaiun would this make a difference - not sure. I dont see any problems with big corps mining 1.0 if they are encouraging the new players. But i have noticed that the game is getting a lot busier and theres soon going to be nowhere to go for those of use not wanting to play the 0.0 game.
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.02 17:01:00 - [44] Quote: Raudka I think I say this for everyone please end yourself. XKTHXBYEX No you seem to say this for yourself using phrases that have long since been made by other players. If you don't like it don't read it. If you are one of the named and shamed, get your cargo containers out of the 1.0 starting systems. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.02 17:57:00 - [45] Hulm (Minmatar starting system) II-1 ARCH (Swedish Archangels) - 4x Giant Secure EY (Einherjar Yggdrasils) - Large Secure (adcan) FMC (The Friendly Mining Company) - Small Secure (adcan) FRCMP (Free Companies) - 4x Medium Secure FUS (Fusion Corp) - Giant Secure IMTC (Indepenedent Minmatar Traders Corporation) - Small Secure NEX (Nexus Inc) - Small Secure (adcan) NPC Corp - 1x Giant Secure, 3x Huge Secure IV-1 EIC (EsreveR Interstellar Corporation) - 2x Large Secure MOENY (1IOpen) - Huge Secure NPC Corp - 2x Giant Secure V-1 FUS (Fusion Corp) - Giant Secure NBH (Narcoleptic Bounty Hunters) - 5x Large Secure NPC Corp - 1x Giant Secure, 1x Huge Secure VIII-1 GQ (Galactic Quest) - Large Secure NDV (Nox Development) - Small Secure (adcan) NPC Corp - 3x Large Secure -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.02 18:29:00 - [46] Ryddinjorn (Minmatar Starting System) V-1 NPC Corp - 1x Large Secure, 3x Small Secure V-2 M8 (M'8'S) - Medium Secure NPC Corp - 5x Huge Secure VII-1 NPC Corp - 2x Giant Secure, 1x Medium Secure, 1x Small Secure VII-2 MALI (Malicious Satisfaction Inc.) - Huge Secure, Giant Secure VII-3 HANDG (Holland and Good) - Giant Secure NPC Corp - 1x Giant Secure, 1x Small Secure VII-4 A.W.M (A.W.M) - 3x Large Secure SSAG (Stainless Steel Ore Distribution AG) - 2x Giant Secure NPC Corp - 3x Giant Secure, 2 Huge Secure VII-5 GO (Gouka) - Giant Secure NPC Corp - 1x Giant Secure, 4x Large Secure, 1x Medium Secure, 4x Small Secure VII-6 (none) VII-7 DDNN (DDNN) - Large Secure FU2 (Freelance Unincorporated) - Giant Secure NPC Corp - 1x Small Secure VII-8 JEDI (Joint Espionage and Defence Industries) - 2x Giant Secure NPC Corp - Huge Secure, Giant Secure -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Styrmir	Posted - 2004.03.02 19:00:00 - [47] Quote: How about creating a jump point for noobies that allow only noobies through, could be done on skill points or a time limited system. After which if someone trys jumping into the system the gate doesn't activiate. Then noobies have a safe, non-mined out system to get a foot hold in. I saw this idea for the noobs in another thread... This is a very good suggestion! It should be easy to have some "dead-end" systems that work like this. Best to use skill points to decide who can enter. Then people would not be able to fly any big ships there. I think it might be a better suggestion and easier to implement than the one about not being able to activate the miners in 1,0. Founder and Manager of The Misneden Shuttle Museum
Tsual	Posted - 2004.03.09 13:49:00 - [48] Edited by: Tsual on 09/03/2004 13:50:57 Suggestion introduce a difference between (A)high slots supporting miners, (B)standart high slots and (C)high slots improper for miners. A would reduce energy need of miner by 60%, increase mining wield by 25% and reduce cpu and powergrid requirement of miners by 20%. B would change nothing, however very seldom to find on a ship. C would bring oposite of A.(+60% Cpa usage, -25% Mining wield, +20% cpu/pg req) Battleships would mostly have C, Industrial and mining Frigats only A, on other ships following rules would apply: Slots for Turrets only -> B Slots for Turrets and launcher -> C Slots for launchers only -> B Slots for no turret or launcher (if they can install miners at all) -> A Oh and for all the people whining about productivity would go back and mining being so lame, perhaps in future escorters might be suddenly in need again. Additional I doubt mining in Battleship would be so much harder, it would simply need more time. My .02 isk -------------------------------------- Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life. Ritual of the Qua'nadhar.
Harr Harr	Posted - 2004.03.09 15:28:00 - [49] Edited by: Harr Harr on 09/03/2004 15:29:51 Just equip concord with mining laser scramblers. Everyone who tries to mine in 0.9 or 1.0 with more then 250.000 skillpoints will be scrambled by concord. Problem solved
Krendig	Posted - 2004.03.09 19:44:00 - [50] For those who think it's "inconvenient", I went out to the only belt in a starting sector ("only"??!?) with an alt, and found zero, zip, nada. There were no asteroids on the scanner. There were no asteroids in the sector. If it had been my first experience, I'd have quit, and assumed EVE is as bugridden as everyone says. I repeat a suggestion I've made elsewhere: No battleships in newbie sectors. Period. They aren't needed, they shouldn't be allowed. Then jack up the spawn rate, and lower the density, so you have a huge number of itty-bitty (80 m¦ or so) 'roids. That's fine for the new players, but will drive the "greedy" miners absolutely nuts not being able to get a full minute's pull out of the rocks. --Krendig
Redwolf	Posted - 2004.03.09 21:35:00 - [51] Another pointles Topic with pointless info, ditto to what my corpmate said, stupid.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.03.09 21:48:00 - [52] Sure Crendig. Thing is, the systems are on busy highways AND have a valid role in providing skillpacks. I agree it's a problem, but there are other soloutions. They also need to reduce secure can lifespan to say 30 days. I bet most of those cans would pop. "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
SerpentBlade	Posted - 2004.03.09 23:01:00 - [53] OOOOh.. thanks Raudka, if there's anything your whiney post has done... its found where i put all my cans at! On another note: stop wasting precious database room with dumb posts like these. I'm sorry you can't go afk mining in a n00b system anymore, and pointing at all the cans out there really means nothing anyways. Just because there are cans, doesn't mean they auto-mine themselves. Next time when you waste your time making irrational judgements in n00b system belts, perhaps you should hunt down people that strip mine the belts and criticize them instead.. then maybe you'll have proved your otherwise unsound argument. ------------------------- I don't have a signature.
Young Impressionable	Posted - 2004.03.09 23:18:00 - [54] Imperial Dreams are really riled by this. They should just be ashamed and remove their stuff.
James McGowen	Posted - 2004.03.10 00:09:00 - [55] Edited by: James McGowen on 10/03/2004 00:11:41 Ok, possible solution here Declare a few corp wars. Make it more profitable to go to .5 space. Use alts, mains, your own corp, a corp you make, whatever you want... ---------------------------------------- "To err is human" To really foul up requires a computer.
Alexander Rahl	Posted - 2004.03.10 08:17:00 - [56] Edited by: Alexander Rahl on 10/03/2004 08:18:51 Well all I have to say to Raudka is.. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. You have just proved a point I was making to a friend of mine the other day. Some people will find anything to moan about because they have sad little empty lives. Grow up and say something actually worth saying on these forums will you. The only reason there are no roids in these systems is because ccp have screwed up roid regen and distribution again. So Raudka get back in your nappy, grab your dummy and leave the forums clear of such utter dribble ----/ / /-----<[]>-----\ \ \---- Head of House Rahl Warleader of the Rahl Clans "Death and Glory, Honour with Courage, Fury and Vengeance" - Chronicles of Rahl.
Severus Trajan	Posted - 2004.03.10 08:29:00 - [57] Wow, Raudka makes a well-researched post regarding a valid problem facing newbies in the game, and Imperial Dreams throws a collective whining tantrum like 12-year olds. Sorry ImpDreams, but it IS a problem, and lazy ****er corps strip-mining starting systems are at the root of it. Granted CCP should do something about it ASAP, but that doens't make these Corps look any better in the meantime. A response of "Darn it your right, we'll remove our cans and stop strip-mining these systems immediately" would have. Oh well.
Xavier Cardde	Posted - 2004.03.10 08:52:00 - [58] Yeah Imperial Dreams your losing this argument with your flambistic comebacks and immature behavior... I declare you losers.
nails	Posted - 2004.03.10 09:01:00 - [59] I know OTC mined in Kisogo for about 2 hours on launch day.. We've never mined in anything over a .8 system since. Noob members don't count cause they are supposed to mine that ore. Not like it really matters, the first thing they do once they see the belts are empty is fly to the next high security system with ore and go head and mine. As for secure cargo containers.. just let them pile up till CCP does something about them. Right now they don't really bother me, accept for the ones that diss my mother. ------------------ http://ota-corps.otaku.jp -- Anime l33t level
Haxar	Posted - 2004.03.10 09:19:00 - [60] Actually I neither really like the strip mining in 1.0 space. I think it would be nice if you can only anchor up to medium containers in 1.0 systems.
Lusiphur	Posted - 2004.03.10 09:56:00 - [61] Umm, seeing as we are talking nublar systems then why not just make it impossible to anchor containers ? And also make sure the nubs know about opening unsecured cans
Aarant Tavaar	Posted - 2004.03.10 09:58:00 - [62] Well, I apologise if you feel we have not replied in the way you would like over this situation. To be honest, just cause there are cans in these belts does it mean we mine there: or that most of our corp have done since we were cute little n00bs? I speak not just for my corp - but also for probably any of the corps on these lists. The reason the belts are stripmined is generally cause of the hundreds of noobs and a few 'hardcore' cruiser jocks that go there and also cause the rocks regrow more slowly than a snail would complete a marathon (and I'm not talking about one of those chocolate bars - oh no they're snickers now, but anyway - that might take some time too)! I cannot possibly understand why you think one would waste our time mining in a 1.0 system when 0.5 for example, is empty, and more importantly no more difficult to mine than 1.0 . Plus you get the small rewards from bounties too - tbh they make all the difference hehe . In fact I might dare say it's much easier to mine in 0.5 as you can jettison into tainers - secure tainers are useless for mining I have left cans all over the place - does this make me some great force of evil? So, I feel you article may not in fact be criticising can placement, but more so identifying the problems of slow roid spawn times in 1.0 space. I for one want to see more people playing - not less - but where we keep our containers is our own business!
Beep Boop	Posted - 2004.03.10 10:02:00 - [63] To the Imperial Dreams ranters on this thread: You do not get to decide what is drivel and what is not. The consensus is clear; you are acting like spoiled children throwing tantrums. Accept the fact that you have been caught with your pants down, and do the honourable thing: Shut up and take steps to redeem your tarnished image.
Alexander Rahl	Posted - 2004.03.10 11:32:00 - [64] Edited by: Alexander Rahl on 10/03/2004 11:49:01 Oh and just for the record. On the few occasions I do mine its in 0.6 or less ok. The tainers left there are for the n00bs who join the corp to use to prevent them losing their hard earned ore to ore thieves who dwell in 1.0 ripping off all the new guys. I remember not so long back a thread very similar to this one but from ore thieves who say that they are teaching n00bs that secure tainers should be used when mining in such systems. So if anyone is to blame its the ore thieves ok, for using such a lame argument as justification to rip off the new guys in EVE. Last comment on this thread: The only tainers I have ever anchored are deep into 0.0. ----/ / /-----<[]>-----\ \ \---- Head of House Rahl Warleader of the Rahl Clans "Death and Glory, Honour with Courage, Fury and Vengeance" - Chronicles of Rahl.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2004.03.10 12:05:00 - [65] BSC has a strict no strip-mining 1.0 systems policy... Its kind of pathetic if you do strip mine them. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Ahksijen	Posted - 2004.03.16 22:18:00 - [66] Well I dropped the adcans in Emrayur for Tactical Logistics, but I guess I dropped two of them as personal cans, cuz I'm in ORE now. I'd just like to say I don't condone mining in newbie systems by anyone, but just cuz they have an adcan there doesn't mean they mine there. I think that's self explanitory, go after the people who have 10 GSCs floating in an empty belt.
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.17 00:28:00 - [67] Well it seems that the DEV's did indeed take notice of this problem. Guess I can park my Maulus instead of counting all the damn cans in Kisogo (A LOT!) -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
YuuKnow	Posted - 2004.03.17 01:44:00 - [68] kodos to you raudka for trying to stand up for the noobs
Synapse Archae	Posted - 2004.03.17 02:59:00 - [69] Roudka if concord allowed it I would go sit in those newbie belts and shoot any non noob there. --------------------------------------------- [/IMG]http://millerfam.org/eve/synapse_logo.jpg[/IMG] Everyone deserves a chance to live. My job is to make sure they get it.
Ahksijen	Posted - 2004.03.17 23:10:00 - [70] Well I was gonna post that I had removed my cans from Emrayur, but I guess the point is moot now lol. ;)

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