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Audrea Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.31 23:46:00 - [1] Well I havent used domi in quite a long time, especially since NOS nerf.. now I decided to try and fit it.. and for my surprise, I find out its UN****BLE! Lets go over the ship: "Special Ability: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level." Ok, so we lets try fitting it: 6x Electron Blaster Cannon II=12086=~7248PG (with skill AWU4 - as most pilots). 100MN MWD Tech2 - 1375PG Heavy Cap booster II - 1925PG Large ARmor REpairer II - 2300PG Lets sum it up shall we? 7248+1375+1925+2300=12,848, BEFORE any other modules like shields etc!! (Ship's grid is only 11,250!) Thats a difference of 1,598PG(!) to try to fit the base for ship's bonuses! without anything else! Even one Reactor Control Unit isn't enough! 12,375PG) Now, some might say things like 'use rigs'! But, have you forgotten, rigs are not a must! ships are designed to fit their roles WITHOUT needing any rigs!! Or, as CCP devs put it in one of the blogs describing rigs (I remember that, before they came out): "Rigs would be like implants for ships".. -since when do we need implants to make a standard (not pimped with expensive modules to lower/increase stats!!) ship fitting in accordance with its bonuses? Well I hope Dominix user here would agree.. May I be the first to say.. /signed! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=626503
omiNATION Gallente Vanguard of the Ouroboros Nation	Posted - 2007.10.31 23:51:00 - [2] urm... lose the MWD? also no? skills and modules are supposed to be balanced with a progession for better fits with more skills more isk. rigs are a compensation implant, You want more of A gotta get rid of some B, the grid/cap/egress ones are just specialization bonuses, nothing else. [sig] EVE, basically an MMORPG with prison rules. [/sig]
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.10.31 23:51:00 - [3] Edited by: Last Wolf on 31/10/2007 23:55:45 Edited by: Last Wolf on 31/10/2007 23:54:18 Use medium cap booster. Problem solved. Edit: I'm also almost positive the Devs meant for the Domi to be shield tanked gank ship. It has TONS of CPU. For instance. One day (for ****s and giggles) I made a domi with an X-large shield AND dual armor repper tank. Not really any pratical use but it fit. Hardners and all. (though i think highs had medium guns)
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.31 23:51:00 - [4] No. The dominix's grid is gimped for balance reasons. With neutrons it is the second most damaging battleship, that's perfectly fine since it is paper thin when fitting them. Give it more grid and it becomes easier to gank fit to do a stupid amount of dps, all for 60 million.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.10.31 23:53:00 - [5] Its almost like they designed it that way. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Verone	Posted - 2007.10.31 23:55:00 - [6] lollarcoastar, I ♥ mai training nublarz >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.31 23:57:00 - [7] Fix the domi right after you fix the phoon. Fix the phoon after you fix the Apoc. That's all. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.10.31 23:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Liang Nuren Fix the domi right after you fix the phoon. Fix the phoon after you fix the Apoc. That's all. Liang Phoon will be BAD ASS after the torp buff. Mark my words ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Audrea Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:01:00 - [9] Med cap booster? why not fit medium blasters while we are at it? Originally by: omiNATION urm... lose the MWD? also no? skills and modules are supposed to be balanced with a progession for better fits with more skills more isk. rigs are a compensation implant, You want more of A gotta get rid of some B, the grid/cap/egress ones are just specialization bonuses, nothing else. The whole blaster philosophy is based on MWD... Well I think rigs should be optional upgrade, not a must for basic ssetup (I didnt even try fitting ions,not to mention neutrons!) I think every ship in the game has 'standard' fit which works well wish its bonuses.. Deimos can fit blasters, mwd and repper without RCU in lows (after fix), so why not Domi? Originally by: Incantare No. The dominix's grid is gimped for balance reasons. With neutrons it is the second most damaging battleship, that's perfectly fine since it is paper thin when fitting them. Give it more grid and it becomes easier to gank fit to do a stupid amount of dps, all for 60 million. Well then change bonuses for Neutrons or something.. the ship shouldnt be gimped on its basic setup that supports its bonuses... all I ask is that Electrons can be fitted in that setup.. then its fine that Neutrons cant so easily. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=626503
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:09:00 - [10] Originally by: Audrea Med cap booster? why not fit medium blasters while we are at it? Originally by: omiNATION urm... lose the MWD? also no? skills and modules are supposed to be balanced with a progession for better fits with more skills more isk. rigs are a compensation implant, You want more of A gotta get rid of some B, the grid/cap/egress ones are just specialization bonuses, nothing else. The whole blaster philosophy is based on MWD... Well I think rigs should be optional upgrade, not a must for basic ssetup (I didnt even try fitting ions,not to mention neutrons!) I think every ship in the game has 'standard' fit which works well wish its bonuses.. Deimos can fit blasters, mwd and repper without RCU in lows (after fix), so why not Domi? Originally by: Incantare No. The dominix's grid is gimped for balance reasons. With neutrons it is the second most damaging battleship, that's perfectly fine since it is paper thin when fitting them. Give it more grid and it becomes easier to gank fit to do a stupid amount of dps, all for 60 million. Well then change bonuses for Neutrons or something.. the ship shouldnt be gimped on its basic setup that supports its bonuses... all I ask is that Electrons can be fitted in that setup.. then its fine that Neutrons cant so easily. When the domi stops getting 500 DPS from its drones, alone, without fitting a mod... you might have a point. 3 waves of them too (meaning 75k in effective drone hitpoints) ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer

Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:10:00 - [11] Edited by: Last Wolf on 01/11/2007 00:11:24 Originally by: Audrea I think every ship in the game has 'standard' fit which works well wish its bonuses.. Deimos can fit blasters, mwd and repper without RCU in lows (after fix), so why not Domi? Domi CAN fit Blasters, MWD and repper without an RCU. You're trying to fit a heavy cap booster, which is over kill for anything except dual large reppers, an abaddon, or X-large shield booster. Sheesh, the Domi is already the number 1 noob PvP solo battleship. And you want to make it EASIER to fit?
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Liang Nuren Fix the domi right after you fix the phoon. Fix the phoon after you fix the Apoc. That's all. Liang Signed Domi is fine.
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:19:00 - [13] Edited by: Last Wolf on 01/11/2007 00:22:36 Edited by: Last Wolf on 01/11/2007 00:19:15 Originally by: shinsushi When the domi stops getting 500 DPS from its drones, alone, without fitting a mod... you might have a point. 3 waves of them too (meaning 75k in effective drone hitpoints) Domi, with MAX skills gets about 467 dps from Ogre II's. Thats with BS V (30-35 day skill) drone interfacing V (20-25 day skill) Heavy drone operation V (20-25 day skill) Gallente Drone spec IV (4-6 day skill) So yes, after 74 - 91 days of training, you can get gank tech 1 cruiser DPS Oh, and any other ship that can field 5 heavies (Your beloved Amarrian Armageddon) can get about 250 DPS (without fitting any mods remind you!) with level IV in those skills i mentioned or 300ish dps with max skills. So a domi gets a grand total of 160ish more DPS than your "Underpowered" armageddon when both are un-fit. Besides, shouldn't you be making another "I suck at playing Amarr, buff them!" thread?
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Last Wolf Edited by: Last Wolf on 01/11/2007 00:19:15 Originally by: shinsushi When the domi stops getting 500 DPS from its drones, alone, without fitting a mod... you might have a point. 3 waves of them too (meaning 75k in effective drone hitpoints) Domi, with MAX skills gets about 467 dps from Ogre II's. Thats with BS V (30-35 day skill) drone interfacing V (20-25 day skill) Heavy drone operation V (20-25 day skill) Gallente Drone spec IV (4-6 day skill) So yes, after 74 - 91 days of training, you can get gank tech 1 cruiser DPS Oh, and any other ship that can field 5 heavies (Your beloved Amarrian Armageddon) can get about 250 DPS, with level IV in those skills i mentioned. So... 217 dps for 3 months of training. Soooo overpowered. Besides, shouldn't you be making another "I suck at playing Amarr, buff them!" thread? Its actually really strong. Because you do so without fitting a single damage mod. For instance a Domi with electron blasters and no damage mods does 900 dps. More than the Hyperion or Megathron in full tank mode. A comprable Geddon does 770 dps, and is slower. And the Domi has 5 meds on a 7 low configuration, which makes it especially strong with supplimentary ewar. Add in the fact that it can carry backup drones or ewar drones it makes the ship very potent. E.G. A domi can run heavy Elec x 6 mwd, injec, web, scram, damp lar, ex,kin,therm, eanm, eanm, dc A high resist based, but weak rep tank, and then if it decides to, either run 900 dps, or use ewar drones, without refitting. ECM drones + damp = one screwed target Its not quite the best solo battleship in the game[hyperion], but it is still very strong and versitile.
KD.Fluffy The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:36:00 - [15] Quote: Its actually really strong. Because you do so without fitting a single damage mod. For instance a Domi with electron blasters and no damage mods does 900 dps. More than the Hyperion or Megathron in full tank mode. A comprable Geddon does 770 dps, and is slower. And the Domi has 5 meds on a 7 low configuration, which makes it especially strong with supplimentary ewar. Add in the fact that it can carry backup drones or ewar drones it makes the ship very potent. E.G. A domi can run heavy Elec x 6 mwd, injec, web, scram, damp lar, ex,kin,therm, eanm, eanm, dc A high resist based, but weak rep tank, and then if it decides to, either run 900 dps, or use ewar drones, without refitting. ECM drones + damp = one screwed target Its not quite the best solo battleship in the game[hyperion], but it is still very strong and versitile. very well said. IMO I fly gallente and the domi does not need any boost. Boost The Eagle!
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:38:00 - [16] Originally by: KD.Fluffy very well said. IMO I fly gallente and the domi does not need any boost. I'd like some extra grid on my domi, thank-you-very-much! Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:42:00 - [17]
Ipos	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:43:00 - [18] - The above post sums it all up pretty well.
TimMc Skiddies of Doom	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: KD.Fluffy very well said. IMO I fly gallente and the domi does not need any boost. I'd like some extra grid on my domi, thank-you-very-much! Liang Gallente may need a boost after this patch...
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:56:00 - [20] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: KD.Fluffy very well said. IMO I fly gallente and the domi does not need any boost. I'd like some extra grid on my domi, thank-you-very-much! Liang Gallente may need a boost after this patch... lol ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer

omiNATION Gallente Vanguard of the Ouroboros Nation	Posted - 2007.11.01 01:35:00 - [21] Edited by: omiNATION on 01/11/2007 01:35:53 Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Audrea Med cap booster? why not fit medium blasters while we are at it? Originally by: omiNATION urm... lose the MWD? also no? skills and modules are supposed to be balanced with a progession for better fits with more skills more isk. rigs are a compensation implant, You want more of A gotta get rid of some B, the grid/cap/egress ones are just specialization bonuses, nothing else. The whole blaster philosophy is based on MWD... Well I think rigs should be optional upgrade, not a must for basic ssetup (I didnt even try fitting ions,not to mention neutrons!) I think every ship in the game has 'standard' fit which works well wish its bonuses.. Deimos can fit blasters, mwd and repper without RCU in lows (after fix), so why not Domi? Originally by: Incantare No. The dominix's grid is gimped for balance reasons. With neutrons it is the second most damaging battleship, that's perfectly fine since it is paper thin when fitting them. Give it more grid and it becomes easier to gank fit to do a stupid amount of dps, all for 60 million. Well then change bonuses for Neutrons or something.. the ship shouldnt be gimped on its basic setup that supports its bonuses... all I ask is that Electrons can be fitted in that setup.. then its fine that Neutrons cant so easily. When the domi stops getting 500 DPS from its drones, alone, without fitting a mod... you might have a point. 3 waves of them too (meaning 75k in effective drone hitpoints) That's not a basic setup, you'll note you try and fit t2 stuff on a t1 ship, then use a t1 RCU to compensate, use a t2 RCU, surprise surprise, it fits. OP is full of fail. [sig] EVE, basically an MMORPG with prison rules. [/sig]
Unworldly1 Gallente Clown Corp	Posted - 2007.11.01 02:19:00 - [22] Edited by: Unworldly1 on 01/11/2007 02:22:08 LOL. If anything, the Domi should be harder to fit. With the upcoming drone-scoop nerf, the domi will finally be one of the more balanced BS. I mean, as someone already pointed out: a t2 RCU will let you fit your proposed setup. What you're forgetting, of course, is that in a gang situation, even WITHOUT guns, the Domi makes a good account of itself - in that, it has approximately 500 dps, and with that, can devote its entire CPU and PG to tanking and ewar, if necessary! I fly a domi - tho currently only in PvE, and i gotta say, let it fit stuff easier and the Raven could potentially lose its place as king of PvE - i can just see someone fitting 6 425mm rails and rat specific drones and BAM :) firepower :D So yeah, don't call attention to the Domi. The way things are going at the moment, it'll probly just get nerfed in the Devs notice it. Its fine how it is, so shut up :P Originally by: Audrea May I be the first to say.. /signed. You may. You'll likely also be the only one to say it. * * * "In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people unhappy and has been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams, [i]
Wayward Hooligan Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.11.01 03:13:00 - [23] As someone already stated use Medium Cap Boosters. High: 6xElectron Blaster II Mid: 1x100mn MWD II 1xWarp Disruptor II 1xFleeting Web 2xMedium Electrochemical Cap Booster /w 800's Low: 1xLAR II 1xDC II 2xEANM II 3xMFS II Rigs: Whatever Drones: 5xOgre II Whatever 1000 dps with good skills and a weak tank.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.11.01 05:20:00 - [24] Train some more skills ? AWU 5 perhaps if you are really short of power and still want to use reasonable guns. As I understand it CCP balances ships 'for max skills' - meaning that you should get reasonable fitting on them when you have relevant skills at lev 4 and it starts to really shine at lev 5 on relevant skills.
Centurion1	Posted - 2007.11.01 05:28:00 - [25] This thread makes me want a shield tanked gank domi.... bad thread bad.
Ecky X The Aforementioned	Posted - 2007.11.01 05:59:00 - [26] Why not put some gang-support in your highslots? 2 remote reps for when you're not primary, or maybe some medium neuts? A little known fact about dual-rep tanks - a single large (or 2 med neut) can cause you to cap out and have a partially gimped tank, or guns. -----
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.11.01 06:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Verone lollarcoastar, I ♥ mai training nublarz LOL Verone. It's so cute. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
sheis	Posted - 2007.11.01 06:04:00 - [28] IR WANTS MORE GRID (i R tard)
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.01 06:22:00 - [29] Originally by: sheis (i R tard) Indeed.
Lost Vagus	Posted - 2007.11.01 07:16:00 - [30] uhm, ... she's fine, shes a drone boat, you dont need the pew pew of that many large blasters, 5 is plenty, let alone t2 blasters on a dom, its just not worth the hassle, id rather a rack of SB's and a Web and droping garde's at 15k out on the burn in to the target than sit there fiddling with t2 electrons, but thats just cooky ol' me,

Xequecal	Posted - 2007.11.01 07:45:00 - [31] Edited by: Xequecal on 01/11/2007 07:45:11 LOL at the OP. You do realize that the Dominix does more DPS before it fits a single mod than an Apoc does with 8x MP II (scorch) and a heat sink, right? And that the drones have longer range?
Audrea Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.01 07:57:00 - [32] oh wel guess I will see ya all in space Thanks for those who made constructive posts :P
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.01 08:10:00 - [33] Im sad, how hard is it to see that this is a obvious troll? It's great being Amarr isn't it.
MasterDecoy Gallente The Grifters	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:03:00 - [34] the domi is my favorite ship in game. it's got a godly slot layout and kickass bonuses. when you fit for pure unadulterated gank, it approaches the megathron in terms of damage. but it IS gimped in power grid in cpu to stop people from fitting 6 neutrons with impunity. best tier 1 bs, it has flaws, it has advantages, but the bottom line is that it's versatile like no other ship. enjoy that Originally by: Evilempire1 good, im pentitioning you for slandering.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:16:00 - [35] They should switch the large rail bonus to a medium rail bonus ========================= Weko Hast > fill a domi up with light suicide drones and drone navigation links arbalesttom > rofl!!! emo-drones? DONT REMOVE MY SIGGIES!!! ===========
Cornette Gallente M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:26:00 - [36] No. And I say that as a Dominix Pilot who flies it. The Dominix is a very good battleship already and doesn't need any change. Want more grid for better guns? Then fit a RCU or a rig. Now the Hyperion on the other hand could use some more grid. I can't use tech 2 large ions yet but if my math are correct I need a grid rig to fit eight of them and a reasonable tank with heavy injector. //Cornette
Plave Okice Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:26:00 - [37] Domi's a great ship, it's just that the 5% large hybrid bonus is wasted. Would love a 5% hybrid bonus (not size related) or even more a 7.5% rep bonus but that would be overpowered. Si vis pacem, para bellum
Yukisa	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:27:00 - [38] Gank passive tank fit (like the neut gank mega!) 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [empty med slot] Electron Blaster Cannon II Electron Blaster Cannon II Electron Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I ------------------------ 1015 dps (540 guns, 475 drones) 27777 armor w/ resists: E66 T75 K75 Ex65 (effective HP: 125,002) no implants! Very similar to the megathron neutron gank performance. Cheaper too. Plus it has extra drones for EC-900s or repairer drones for the gang.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Plave Okice Domi's a great ship, it's just that the 5% large hybrid bonus is wasted. Would love a 5% hybrid bonus (not size related) or even more a 7.5% rep bonus but that would be overpowered. Like hell it's wasted. You leave my Domi alone gd dmnit!
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:29:00 - [40] And PLEASE make it less ugly ========================= Weko Hast > fill a domi up with light suicide drones and drone navigation links arbalesttom > rofl!!! emo-drones? DONT REMOVE MY SIGGIES!!! ===========

ChalSto Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:45:00 - [41] Originally by: Audrea since when do we need implants to make a standard (not pimped with expensive modules to lower/increase stats!!) ship fitting in accordance with its bonuses? cough Blasterthron cough Hybrit-CPU-reductiion-Imp cough j/k Well, I do agree with u here, that fitting the Dominix for its bonuses is "nearly" impossible without rigs. But there are ways. Example: Highs: 6x Electron Blaster Cannon II Meds: 2x Webber, WarpDisruptor, Quad-Lif MWD, Heavy-ElectroChem-CapBoster Low: 1600-Plate, 3x Hardeners II, DmgControl II, 2x Med-ArmorRepair II (does nearly as much as one LAR II....yes yes...I know....bla bla bla-cruiser-sized- module-bla bla bla). With Rigs, the Blaster-Domi gets the OMGWTFPWN-U-TO-HELL-Mobile. No need for a boost, but I dont say "no" to a free PG boost Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:06:00 - [42] Well you can go with MWD + LAR II + 6 electron IIs if you use a medium injector, and the medium injector will keep you running full speed for several minutes with Controlled Bursts V. Otherwise, just go with an RCU II, and blaster fitting difficulties disappear. Still difficult to get a decent missions fit with more than 4 350mm railguns, though. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Ciphero Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:10:00 - [43] Edited by: Ciphero on 01/11/2007 13:10:15 Originally by: Audrea Ok, so we lets try fitting it: 6x Electron Blaster Cannon II=12086=~7248PG (with skill AWU4 - as most pilots). 100MN MWD Tech2 - 1375PG Heavy Cap booster II - 1925PG Large ARmor REpairer II - 2300PG* Lets sum it up shall we? 7248+1375+1925+2300=12,848, BEFORE any other modules like shields etc!! ... And I stopped reading about there.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:43:00 - [44] Heh, OP's corporation is 'Veto Accedemy'. Grain of salt with whatever this MWD-fitting Dominix pilot says. Domi is fine to fit. I've never had problems. ----------------- Friends Forever Kill. BoB. Dead.
MasterDecoy Gallente The Grifters	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:59:00 - [45] Originally by: arbalesttom And PLEASE make it less ugly what are you on about? that thing is sex Originally by: Evilempire1 good, im pentitioning you for slandering.
Romulan Dominiae	Posted - 2007.11.01 14:19:00 - [46] RCU?
Audrea Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.01 14:25:00 - [47] Originally by: ChalSto Originally by: Audrea since when do we need implants to make a standard (not pimped with expensive modules to lower/increase stats!!) ship fitting in accordance with its bonuses? cough Blasterthron cough Hybrit-CPU-reductiion-Imp cough j/k Well, I do agree with u here, that fitting the Dominix for its bonuses is "nearly" impossible without rigs. But there are ways. Example: Highs: 6x Electron Blaster Cannon II Meds: 2x Webber, WarpDisruptor, Quad-Lif MWD, Heavy-ElectroChem-CapBoster Low: 1600-Plate, 3x Hardeners II, DmgControl II, 2x Med-ArmorRepair II (does nearly as much as one LAR II....yes yes...I know....bla bla bla-cruiser-sized- module-bla bla bla). With Rigs, the Blaster-Domi gets the OMGWTFPWN-U-TO-HELL-Mobile. No need for a boost, but I dont say "no" to a free PG boost Well yeah I guess its possible if to use quad-lif and MARs.. Thanks, although I guess I will have to fall back and ask just for 5% bonus to all sizes of hybrid guns, like some agreed for here :P Originally by: Ciphero Edited by: Ciphero on 01/11/2007 13:10:15 Originally by: Audrea Ok, so we lets try fitting it: 6x Electron Blaster Cannon II=12086=~7248PG (with skill AWU4 - as most pilots). 100MN MWD Tech2 - 1375PG Heavy Cap booster II - 1925PG Large ARmor REpairer II - 2300PG* Lets sum it up shall we? 7248+1375+1925+2300=12,848, BEFORE any other modules like shields etc!! ... And I stopped reading about there. It was late night mate, I was referring to med slots, not shields :P well I guess I have to agree with some of the examples brought.. indeed with better skills it can be fully T2 fitted.. but by 'better' we refer to 'maxed' actually (very few skills left to affect it) - and thats what (imho) is wrong.. that full T2 fit requires MAX skills, not just good...
Yukisa	Posted - 2007.11.01 14:57:00 - [48] Originally by: ChalSto Originally by: Audrea since when do we need implants to make a standard (not pimped with expensive modules to lower/increase stats!!) ship fitting in accordance with its bonuses? cough Blasterthron cough Hybrit-CPU-reductiion-Imp cough j/k Well, I do agree with u here, that fitting the Dominix for its bonuses is "nearly" impossible without rigs. But there are ways. Example: Highs: 6x Electron Blaster Cannon II Meds: 2x Webber, WarpDisruptor, Quad-Lif MWD, Heavy-ElectroChem-CapBoster Low: 1600-Plate, 3x Hardeners II, DmgControl II, 2x Med-ArmorRepair II (does nearly as much as one LAR II....yes yes...I know....bla bla bla-cruiser-sized- module-bla bla bla). With Rigs, the Blaster-Domi gets the OMGWTFPWN-U-TO-HELL-Mobile. No need for a boost, but I dont say "no" to a free PG boost What is the point of the 2 med armor rep? 2 wasted low slots. Just passive the tank entirely. More dps and better tank. It's a gank-mega for dirt cheap.
dAn melax Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.01 15:26:00 - [49] Originally by: Verone lollarcoastar, I ♥ mai training nublarz I think Veto Academy is going down :P what the hell verone? xD Play Hard. Go Pro.
omiNATION Gallente Vanguard of the Ouroboros Nation	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:11:00 - [50] Originally by: Audrea well I guess I have to agree with some of the examples brought.. indeed with better skills it can be fully T2 fitted.. but by 'better' we refer to 'maxed' actually (very few skills left to affect it) - and thats what (imho) is wrong.. that full T2 fit requires MAX skills, not just good... Yeah who would think the second iteration of ships and modules would require max skills... I mean why should I train Cruiser V to fly a recon or Space Command V or any of the 5th level skills? I should be able to pilot a dreadnaught and fit it with maybe 2 mil SP... it's not... while we're at it, why should faction and officer modules cost so much? they should all cost 100 isk, it's not balanced... [sig] EVE, basically an MMORPG with prison rules. [/sig]

Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:29:00 - [51] Originally by: shinsushi When the domi stops getting 500 DPS from its drones, alone, without fitting a mod... you might have a point. 3 waves of them too (meaning 75k in effective drone hitpoints) Try again. Not even close with max skills. Not to mention it loses a slot comared to other ships of its class and tier and fittings for that... So yes, it uses a "slot" and "fittings" to get what it gets from drones... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
ChalSto Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:54:00 - [52] Originally by: Yukisa Originally by: ChalSto Originally by: Audrea What is the point of the 2 med armor rep? 2 wasted low slots. Just passive the tank entirely. More dps and better tank. It's a gank-mega for dirt cheap. First try, THEN post on forum. Just a hint Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
Horus Hunter Rens 911	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Cornette No. And I say that as a Dominix Pilot who flies it. The Dominix is a very good battleship already and doesn't need any change. Want more grid for better guns? Then fit a RCU or a rig. Now the Hyperion on the other hand could use some more grid. I can't use tech 2 large ions yet but if my math are correct I need a grid rig to fit eight of them and a reasonable tank with heavy injector. //Cornette You have no idea how to fit a hyperion for pvp if you think it has to have an active tank and a heavy injector.
Nappy Headed	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:01:00 - [54] How dare you... The next person who wants to post about touching the dominix can do so over my rotting carcass. Please try posting with some relevant understanding and experience.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Laboratus Originally by: shinsushi When the domi stops getting 500 DPS from its drones, alone, without fitting a mod... you might have a point. 3 waves of them too (meaning 75k in effective drone hitpoints) Try again. Not even close with max skills. Not to mention it loses a slot comared to other ships of its class and tier and fittings for that... So yes, it uses a "slot" and "fittings" to get what it gets from drones... MY bad, it gets 95 DPS per maxed skilled Ogre II, meaning 475 DPS for a flight of them. A domi trades one slot and some fitting for that amount of DPS, or good frigate cruiser defense (light drones), or great sniping ability (omg sentry IIs) or some non-fitted ECM (ecm drones kick butt.) Domi has got to be the most versatile ship in the game, a degree of that is because of the huge drone bay and what it provides It needs to have some restrictions, and the PG does that, the CPU sure as "h e double hockey sticks" doesn't. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:45:00 - [56] I can still see a lot of really good reasons to fly the Dominix. The NOS nerf hurt the Domi more than others, but it hurt everybody. You're basically saying that AWU5, faction mods, and rigs are just totally unnecessary to fit a really good all-T2 loadout on this particular ship, but I don't think that's the case. Yeah, if you only want to fit blasters in the highs, you're going to have some issues. Train AWU5, first, you're missing out by not doing it. I can't even remember what I can't fit without AWU5 because I've had it for a year and a half. Yes, not everyone is that old, but, tough. My stats are horrible, someone else can get there faster. Second point, the ship should be able to fit an ideal setup without any 'special' stuff. Well, I don't know if AWU5 gets you there, but even if it doesn't, remember, those drones have no fitting requirements, and they're your best weapon. After the introduction of bandwidth, the Dominix will be even more dominant in this role. I love drones, and if you love drones, you've -got- to fly Gallente. I'd expect to see someone whining more about not being able to really use drones well because they don't fly gallente than to see someone complaining about the sixth t2 blaster on the dominix, a tier -one- battleship that is easily the best of the lot...come on.
Infiniti Deiata	Posted - 2007.11.02 05:40:00 - [57] Edited by: Infiniti Deiata on 02/11/2007 05:40:14 Bleh, didn't mean to alt post
jdok Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:03:00 - [58] Edited by: jdok on 02/11/2007 15:05:14 nos, neuts, large cap booster = still a cap eater.. and does it faster. I still love my domi, hasn't been beaten in a solo duel yet, even with nos changes. I find the nos/neut setup more effective than full nos in most situations. Fights are quick, faster the guy has no cap, faster you can kill him and gtfo. The micromanagement is crazy, but its just something new to learn. There's more to life than DPS.


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