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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:00:00 -
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Save our Interdictors:
We all know, CCP has been trying a balance (nerf  ) alot of the ships in the game. some of the nerfs have been making some of the ships 'more in line' with other ones of their class. We probably don't agree with them all. but at least theres some method to their madness... sometimes
With the Interdictor speed reduction, they are effecting the whole class of ships. not 'just' one ship, for example, the Eos or Myrm.
Slowing down Interdictors is going to make it very difficult to bubble hostile fleets without getting insta-jibbed when approaching them.
With the introduction of the Hyena, interdictors are in alot of trouble, even a maulus/Keres and any webbing inty will make short work of a interdictor... or even two intys, or one webbing inty and a sniping BS, or a vaga, or a nano/beam/zealot... if you havent noticed, dictors are easy to kill, once webbed, and now.. they are much much easier to get a web on them.
With the interdictor speed nerf, my current Rapier can outrun a basic T2'd dictor. not to mention, i can get a hyena going much faster than even a sabre, and can web it from a safe 20km away.
this isn't saying Sabres are overpowered either and that they should be the one nerfed, the Flycatcher has many mid slots it can use for Ewar (good for small gangs), the heretic is actually only around 7% slower than the Sabre when using all low slots for speed mods and can fight outside of web range (wich is how it should be fitted).
don't nerf any of the dictors, just give that poor Eris a little love.
An Interdictor has two roles, race towards the hostile fleet, and bubble them. and/or kill off hostile Intys.. but how can dictors have any chance of catching them now.
Interdictors, are already on average 25% (or more) slower than interceptors. but in order to survive they MUST be faster than other support ships ex. cruisers, assault frigs, hacs
Although I forsee the impending doom for nano hacs, on sisi, hacs can now keep up, or outrun Interdictors... not giving them much of a chance to do anything productive.
with a 25% speed reduction, even IF they gave dictors hac resists, it wont help, because a speed fitted dictor, with resists, is still a dead dictor once webbed.
Also, with the boost to the cap problems on interceptors, they wont need to fit cap power relays, leaving them even more low slots to speed fit.
Please, do not nerf our interdictors, many people out there and myself included are hardcore Dictor pilots. I fly my sabre/heretic 95% of my time in Eve.
they are great ships and hard to keep alive. They've always done their job, they are not broken (eris not included :P) please do not change them! I do not have interest in other ships in Eve, and I dont feel like loosing a Dictor everytime I enter battle. I am sure it wouldn't take long for me to loose my interest in Eve-Online if this change goes through 
Yours Truely,
Andreya the Dictor Pilot
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Aceoil
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:01:00 -
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/signed
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:02:00 -
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We need to figure out which classes people aren't whining about right now, and start whining about them.
My Incursus is totally useless now :(
 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:02:00 -
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Yes I am aware this is only on the test server currently... but I would rather stop a problem before it starts 
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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:04:00 -
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Instead of spending time on trying to destroy interdictors, they should have been using it to solve the problems with our beloved assault frigs.
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VoYvod
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:06:00 -
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/signed
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:10:00 -
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can I still hit 2000m/s??
checks math... woohoo I can still do it without implants!
good thing I trained my speed skills.
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Slate Fistcrunch
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:15:00 -
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I am not sure why CCP has been introducing changes they way they have lately. They make a dev blog about a carrier nerf out of the blue and get a huge uproar started. Just a normal post on the forum or even a reply to a thread about carriers suggesting these changes and asking for community feedback would've saved them that headache.
Then they start doing these things on sisi. They have other internal servers to brainstorm new ideas / changes and see how they work in game. If they do something on sisi (which is considered where players get to test changes before they go live) they should at least mention what they have in mind and the reasons behind it. Hell, they could even mention that the change is just something they are experimenting with to keep from raising so many alarm bells.
CCP, when you start to introduce changes to the game be a little more tactful about it. There are things you can do between no information whatsoever and a dev blog.
As far as this interdictor change that people are talking about on sisi, I don't understand the basis. Are they redoing speed across the board? Do they think interdictors are going too fast? If so, then what is going to be the difference between the heavy interdictor and the normal interdictor if the normal one is slow? Is the normal interdictor getting compensated in some way for taking away its main defense?
CCP, a stitch in time saves nine. Let us know what you're thinking.
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BIlloreilly
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:21:00 -
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Drones need some luv!
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Wipe your bunghole with an owl!"
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:24:00 -
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/signed
Say no to dictor nerf. Luvvles the Eris though, plz?
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NeoShocker
Caldari
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.02 06:51:00 -
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I dunno about you guys, but I don't think dictors should generally be as fast like interceptors. Dictors are like super tacklers and only type of ship (Besides heavy interdictor?) that can hold down a super capital ship. I know CCP have several reason why, which I am much likely to agree the nerf.
They did post reason on Carrier nerf, and the whole disagreement on the nerf is somewhat gone now. Which probably means that most people agree with that. So, if those people agree, they will agree on the dictor nerf and probably other nerfs or buffs they did.
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Golden Helmet
Caldari
Finite Horizon
Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.11.02 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Siriyana
/signed
Say no to dictor nerf. Luvvles the Eris though, plz?
QFT. /signed to Eris boost, and /signed to the OP. No dictor nerf, their fine, leave them the hell alone.
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Dread Operative
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.11.02 07:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dread Operative on 02/11/2007 07:10:17
:( Adopt a dictor
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.11.02 07:11:00 -
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I don't mind, they are making the ships that hiold down carriers and moms easier to kill.
they are making carriers have less dps alone.
thus, it's a nerf to make the carrier people happy.
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Dread Operative
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.11.02 07:16:00 -
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Right, heavy dictors are real easy to kill
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Peanut Swsh
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.02 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 02/11/2007 07:22:00
/signed
Some dictors are pretty fast, but to say they are as fast as interceptors means either all the sabre pilots you fly against have got snakes or polycarbs or gistii's fitted. Which is an unfair comparison to make.
If I normally speedfit my sabre, with accell control 4, I get 4.7k/s out of it, any ceptor I fit is at least 6k/s, and faster ceptors like the claw are 7k/s+.
As it is, when you drop a bubble at the moment, your speed goes to 0, which means if the enemies have a 'on the ball' drake or caracal pilot which keep missiles in the air after you, as soon as you drop that bubble, you explode due to the 20 missiles in the air that have just all hit you at once.
Heavy neuts also kill you pretty fast as well, as do most vagabonds. In my experience most vagabonds I have come across have been faster then the sabres I have run into, obviously because people do spend more money on them, and really its not such a big deal to fit a polycarb rig on a 95mil ship, compared to a 30mil ship. And a vagabond is a lot more survivable then a sabre. 1-2 vagabonds wandering around makes your average dictor pilots mission suicide.
Really the only thing saving dictors atm in fleet fights, is lag. So nerf lag.
*edit* carrier whiners, sit a neut BS, a missile spammer or a vagabond/huginn near your mom/carrier and you are basically dictor proof. And really, if your cap ship is going down, you have been outblobbed, and if you want an i-run button that gets you out of any situation, then you should probably play a different game. Having a 30bn isk ship, shouldn't compensate for ****ty intel/not having enough friends.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.11.02 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dread Operative
Right, heavy dictors are real easy to kill
I didn't say easy.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.02 07:33:00 -
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/signed
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Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
Karjala Inc.
Onnenpyora
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Posted - 2007.11.02 07:56:00 -
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Don't touch my flycatcher.
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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.11.02 15:19:00 -
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sorry for the bump, but I can't let this one slide
TY for the support guys
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Neon Genesis
The Landed Gentry
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Posted - 2007.11.02 15:34:00 -
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It's a worthless change, get rid of it.
Signed.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.11.02 15:41:00 -
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There's another ship class stricken from my training list. Sweet.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.02 15:42:00 -
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/not signed.
Dictors have become the defacto standard as support ships, and that has to change if there is going to be a place for the revamped ceptors.
Ceptors to tackle fast stuff, dictors to bubble big stuff.
Works for me.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Drykor
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.11.02 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Drykor on 02/11/2007 15:58:16
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I wouldn't even care so much if it was a modest change, but CCP always tends to do these shipbreaking changes, 25% speed reduction, what the f*** really.
On top of that, giving no reason for it whatsoever. No one complained about dictors. The Sabre is on the fast side and I could understand an overall 5% speed reduction (except for the Eris), which will already matter alot.
Now I can sort of understand making room for the new interceptors, but here's some news for you, there are already a load of interceptor pilots and people fly them all the time and people were already very excited about their change. It's easy to get into and the prereqs are all useful skills already.
On the other hand you have dictors, there are not that many dictor pilots in the first place and now you will discourage it even further because of their total lack of survivability.
I for one won't be flying them anymore if it means getting beaten up by any speedfitted hac, any inty that can EASILY chase me down now from a distance (they already could but it took a while), any hyena that can just web me at 20km, on top of the rapier/huginn. I just can't afford losing ships in basically any fight that has a competent pilot on the other side, especially since they are ALWAYS primary.
Maybe CCP should try to get in touch with their own game again, talk with some 0.0 alliance people and see how hard it is already to get a dictor in your gang.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2007.11.02 16:04:00 -
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Sigh..
Why not start a forum petition thread while your at it, and threaten to quit with your 7 accounts.
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Chiro San
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Posted - 2007.11.02 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Chiro San on 02/11/2007 16:05:07
/signed
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Haradgrim
Caldari
The Wild Bunch
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.11.02 16:10:00 -
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/signed
but the sabre does need a bit of balancing....
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Foxxy Lady
Minmatar
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.02 16:15:00 -
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/signed as well. I see no point in nerfing the speed.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2007.11.02 16:30:00 -
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Give Interdictors their speed back, but make a webifiers effect instant (ie, no coasting back out of range of the web).
Sounds fair to me.
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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.11.02 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
/signed
but the sabre does need a bit of balancing....
no, the sabre is only 7% faster than a heretic if they are both speed fitted. not only that, the sabre MUST fight within web range, the heretic doesnt. and, minmatar should always be a bit faster than all other ships... why? cause thats their tactic, always was, and always should be :) (considering we can shield or armour tank worth a poo)
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