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Haks'he Lirky
Dominion Imperium
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Posted - 2007.11.02 18:19:00 -
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1. Completely static world.
2. Loot whoring is the only objective.
3. PvP is designed with counter strike in mind.
4. Point (score) based pvp where no one looses (we are all winners, yay!).
5. XP grinding to follow your friends around (with the expansions this becomes even more of an issue).
6. Specific players have no real ability to customize their character, chances are that you fit within one of two (sometimes three) cookie cutter ways of setting up your character.
8. Trade skills and player market is a joke.
9. I cant attack lvl 70 characters with my lvl 19 rogue and hope to win.
10. Me and 10 other friends cant swarm a lvl 70 character with our lvl 19 rogues and hope to win.
11. Me and 100 other friends cant swarm a lvl 70 character with our lvl 19 swarm and hope to win.
I could go on...
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Ironass
Amarr
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.02 18:25:00 -
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ok, to start things off, i've been following WoW since alpha, got into the game in the end of US Closed when US Open started. These are the reasons i'm finally terminating my account
1) In July 2006 i joined the Navy and stepped down from my raiding guild (at the time top10 in the world). During my time away alot of my friends got tired of the game, quit and the guild fell downhill.
2) The constant "we want this to be an easy game" attitude from blizzard. World of Warcraft has suffered 3 years of constant nerfs and making things easier for "casual" players. Including raiding. As soon as the first boss in MC was downed a constant stream of nerfs came too it, some required, some just plain stupid. Worldofwar.net had an extremely well scripted comic about it. Heroes of Warcraft if you want to check it out. At the time i thought it was fun for a whole other reason then i do now.
3) NO deathpenalty, makes risk vs reward so less satisfying.
4) The amount of idiots you run into every day, and it's somewhat unavoidable. In eve you can avoid them by saying "no, I don't like you, get the fk away from me or i'll be forced to open fire and/or pod you." In WoW you have to put up with a**holes to get something done.
5) The lack of things to do solo. Sure you can quest for gold, but in the end you run out of quests.
6) Battlegrounds was a joke when they came, and they still are. "PvP" was never EVER supposed to be "fair game". Ganks on PvP servers is PvP, showing superior force and or tactics is PvP. PvP allways have one underdog and one oversitter.
7) The lack of diversion, everyone looks the same, specs the same and plays the same. F.E, ask a mage what his spec is, he might tell you 3/43/5. You know exactly what talents he have. Ask a warr if he's prot, arms or fury, you'll know just about everything about him. In EvE ask a guy what he can fly and he'll give you a list of things he can or can not fly. He**, even NPCravens don't fit the same.
8) The lack of economy... There's NOTHING to do for your 100k gold. Personally, i had all 4 races mounts pretty much the same time we downed C'Thun. This is when gold was hard to get, and mounts cost 800g each. 3600 + 640(AV) + the runecloth to get the mount, and i still had 1.5k gold to spare.
9) No reward for PvP. All of the above sums this point up. There's no reward in killing another person in World of Warcraft. Kill the person once: YEY! you get 20 honour, but wait? do i need honour for anything? no i don't, i allready have what i want from the pvpvendor. Did i ruin someones day? No, all he had to do was either spiritres and wait 10 minutes, or corpserun for 2minutes and he'd be back in the fight again.
10) Ok, i struggled some to come up with a tenth point that would be general issue. And i failed, so here's a personal issue i have. I'm a PvP oriented player, i personally hate playing too much vs AI. This does make EvE a better game then WoW for me.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.11.02 18:27:00 -
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Well i wanted to be objective so i tried WoW, and i can honestly say that i think that it... sux 
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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Sojourne
Minmatar
Liquid Courage Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.02 18:43:00 -
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No game out takes a huge amount of brainpower to play, I always find it funny when i hear people use this line of reasoning. Then throw it in the face of other communities. This games learning curve is at the beginning of the game, others are at the end when you need to fine tune your knowledge of game mechanics to excel. This game takes more patience than most but thats about it.
Eve players hate the WoW community, other games hate the community here. It's very strange how MMO's have turned into turf wars, but meh the nature of this young beast it seems. I only see it getting worse with all the new games coming out in the next few quarters.
To the OP: People in each community wants to feel like they are playing the best thing out basically. Ignorance breeds hate.
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Tegashi
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Posted - 2007.11.02 18:52:00 -
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WoW has some positives. My Wife and I used to pay together and we enjoyed the game quite a bit. It gave us something to do during the winter months of snow. There is are wuite a few things that the ges does brilliantly with the questing, playstyle options, and story driven world quite well crafted. Of course they have their fair share of Dregs and *******s but that is no different then here.
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Haks'he Lirky
Dominion Imperium
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Posted - 2007.11.02 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 02/11/2007 18:56:21
 Originally by: Sojourne
No game out takes a huge amount of brainpower to play, I always find it funny when i hear people use this line of reasoning. Then throw it in the face of other communities. This games learning curve is at the beginning of the game, others are at the end when you need to fine tune your knowledge of game mechanics to excel. This game takes more patience than most but thats about it.
Eve players hate the WoW community, other games hate the community here. It's very strange how MMO's have turned into turf wars, but meh the nature of this young beast it seems. I only see it getting worse with all the new games coming out in the next few quarters.
To the OP: People in each community wants to feel like they are playing the best thing out basically. Ignorance breeds hate.
It is also very common in gaming communities that the smart players come out of the woodwork to tell the rest of us how infinitly biased we are.
And btw, WoW is generally known to have the simplest learning curve at any stage in the game, I know no one, I have read no article or even seen one commnet that says that WoW has any kind of learning curve that is challenging.
But that is not why I dont like wow.
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Alora Venoda
Caldari
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2007.11.02 18:56:00 -
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I used to play WoW regularly, even downed Rag right before BC came out. I was starting to check out other games, and started on EVE to mine or something on my other box while questing in WoW. But the more I played EVE, I liked it more and enjoyed playing WoW less and less... Now it just feels like all the questing, gold, etc, in WoW is pointless and everything (even running missions) in EVE is more meaningful. The previous posts pretty much already explain why I think.
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Liam Liam
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Posted - 2007.11.02 18:58:00 -
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Well I played wow and thought it was ok till lvl 50 then it was poor but as you want the bad points
1. Expansions ( I already payed for the game I'm paying a monthly fee I'm not going to rebuy the game every 6 months or so as well that's just robbery)
2. Instances I don't like them they might reduce lag but I prefer to be in a world where I can meet people, they spoil the immersion.
3. Higher level content needed massive groups with little individual reward was just boring unless it was you getting the reward.
But they did do a lot of things well in wow you can swim you can fish the lag most places was acceptable you could solo a lot of content. Classes were different so you could try different styles personally I liked the warlock. Higher levels could help out lower ones to an extent. So it wasn't all bad but would I go back to it ...nope
Are there better games yes are there worse yes
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Angela Toren
Amarr
Toren Shipyards
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Posted - 2007.11.02 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: xebian
Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so?
so why all the wow haters?
Because players in eve have a mmo superiority complex. EVE players like to think of themselves as hardcore pvp'ers and like to think of wow players as carebears or whiney 11 year olds that just want epix and are scared of real pvp (pvp where you can loose your stuff permanently). The truth is it is all just mmo ego, EVE can't be compared to Wow because they are two different games.
In a PVE sense WOW blows EVE completely out the water.
But what you will find is that wow players complain more on the forums about silly things, especially things that appear to put them at a disadvantage to others e.g. 'omg nerf locks, nerf fear!!1111'. EVE players believe most wow players want everything in easy-mode so whenever a new player whines on this forum for something to be 'balanced', 'nerfed' or made easier they are almost always told by at least 10 people in the thread to 'go back to wow'.
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Originally by: Kanye West
CCP doesn't care about roleplaying people.
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Mekk Azal
November Night Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.02 19:04:00 -
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Why do I hate WOW? Because of weak people and the negative/positive media.
WOW has over 6million players, its the biggest MMORPG atm out on the market.
Alot of these 6 million people have a weak psych and gets addictive and this kind crap gets into the newspaper. Now alot of non-gamers thinks that video/computer games are the devils work and what not because of that.
However, the media also states that WOW is the best, biggest and funniest game there is. The average non-gaming Joe now thinks "Hey, isnt that the game that **** people up?".
People think that all games are like WOW and since the media both says that alot of people have gone on rehab because of WOW, people freak out. When media in the same newspaper says that WOW is the biggest game, people freak more out.
Because of WOW, everytime I tell someone I play games they ask me "What, like WOW?" and that makes me freaking mad because WOW is a overhyped, childish-looking and addictive game that have ruined alot of peoples lifes. WOW gives all gamers a bad name.
I hate it when people thinks I play a game where the world is pink and purple with "magical" creatures and ****.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.02 19:10:00 -
[41]
Never played WOW, in spite of an old D&D habit. The reason that WOW players are disliked in EVE is that they try to change EVE into WOW.
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Lyvanna Kitaen
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:37:00 -
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WOW was my first MMO and I played it for about a year and a half. In fact, this character is named after the hunter I had there.
My main problem with WOW was that it was fun at the lower levels but once you hit the max level with your character it was a PITA the advance farther without getting a 40-person raid group together. In Eve, I can do lots of things solo that can allow me to improve my character. It's a much more open ended game. WOW forced upper level characters into 2 general paths -- PVP arenas or raids.
The maturity level of other players could be a problem too but the aggravation can be reduced quite a bit by joining a good guild. (I ran one for a while) and by avoiding Ironforge 
I think the thing that finally did me in was an 11 hour raid that I was part of in Molten Core (we were still learning the monsters). We had made it to the final boss and BOOM! we get a message that the server was going down in 5 minutes. We had cleared the whole dungeon and then they reset it on us.
All in all, WOW wasn't a bad experience, it's just that it stopped being fun for me due to the playstyle that endgame forced on my character.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 02/11/2007 22:39:09
Originally by: xebian
Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so?
so why all the wow haters?
Because it's ****balls.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:41:00 -
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I do not hate WoW. Both games are good and not that different.
This game when you die, you lose time because you have to grind for ISK. When you die in WoW, you lose time because you have to run to your corpse and it is camped by a camper.
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Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng.
I 100% agree with Avon.
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Wild Rho
Amarr
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: xebian
Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so?
so why all the wow haters?
I honestly don't think alot of people here actively hate Wow itself. What they hate is the mentality that some former Wow players trying to bring into Eve, often things that go against the very premise of what Eve is:
e.g.
- risk free pvp
- total safety from any form of harm all the time
- grinding for SP
- treating SP as if it's the same as "levels"
- space elves
- how all pvpers are really griefers and should be banned
Over the years this has created an "anti wow" mentality in the general player base, most don't really hate wow when it comes right down to it, it's just fun to bash it.
That said we've seen examples on the Wow forums now and then where players rant on about how crap Eve is etc so it's not a one sided thing.
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RedWyvern
Gallente
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: RedWyvern on 02/11/2007 22:48:30
Originally by: Angela Toren
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Because players in eve have a mmo superiority complex.
I am going to quote this on every single page. For chrissake, we have this thread every other ******* week.
If you're going to disparage WoW based on the game itself or its mechanics, fine. If you're going to disparage WoW based on its community or demographics, give solid facts backed up with evidence.
The "oh WoW players are soooo immature they're all like 12 year olds lolz!" is horse**** and has been bandied around for far too long. Even if it were true, is the smug self-aggrandising attitude EVE forumites display any better?
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Claude Leon
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
I think the main reason why a lot of ppl here dislike WOW is not so much for the game itself but for the audience it draws. Ppl here are generally a bit older and get tired really quick of l33t kiddies harrashing eachother.
Oh the irony of this post is quite comical.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:51:00 -
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WoW doesn't have what we are looking for. Without risk there is no adrenalein. I will happily accept the label of carebear but WoW pvp is pillowfighting.
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Magerosi
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:53:00 -
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i play both eve and wow. I like eve better. the main draw is the ability to advance while you enjoy real life at the same time. wow gets boring especially when your up against those who play 24/7 on wow. they call it skill. I call it a dang game and they need to get a life.
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Boomershoot
Caldari
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2007.11.02 23:02:00 -
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1) level cap, end game
2) no-risk pvp
3) senseless "fair" pvp, this kind of pvp doesn't exist, really
4) most of the game is solo
5) raiding has been turned in a joke
6) gold, gold, gold...too much gold
7) the outcome of a n-vs-n is too much predictable
8) world of carebear
9) pvp and no-pvp shards
10) elves
Originally by: 'CCP Nozh'
We did not expect the requests to prematurely end dear Zulupark's existence in this universe, some of which were *very* imaginative
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Etchyboy
Minmatar
Firman AB
101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.02 23:09:00 -
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I started with EQ and it sucked the life out of me. Hours and hours online trying to grind away to the next level or AA. I ended up getting addicted to it and paid less and less attention to my wife an kids.
Then I tried wow it ended up being the same XP grind though not as bad as EQ but still required to much time online.
EVE has the perfect balance for me and I love the fact that I do not have to sit infront of my comp hacking a slashing to get more powerfull. I wonder if I can sell my EQ accounts for ISK???
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Sul Condbax
Open Season
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Posted - 2007.11.02 23:11:00 -
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WoW is one of the best solo games i've played.
Eve however, is a multiplayer game.
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.11.02 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 02/11/2007 23:15:31
It's orks and dorks.
magic, elves, swords, and spells etc are just unhetero. That is just ignoring all the other unhetero **** such as grinding.
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Atama Cardel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.02 23:16:00 -
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Because I can't kill someone without their permission then take their stuff.
Originally by: Odda
hey im a gonnie and i like to sue CCP to gett the game to my favor
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Gealbhan
Caldari
The SAS
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2007.11.02 23:22:00 -
[55]
I got curious and dloaded the trial of WoW one night played it for two hours and hit uninstall...
I... don't like talking about it after that...
My reactions kind of went like this   
"Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium. |
Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.11.02 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: xebian
Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so?
so why all the wow haters?
Many hate WoW because its a complete different game from EVE. In EVE you have to work hard to achieve everything. Down to the single ISK or skillpoint. EVE is a sandbox. And EVE is PVP inn absolute all aspects. From combat, trade, industry and mining. All aspects. Even in the PvE parts you can find traces of PvP sometimes!
Now look on WoW. its not a sandbox. Its a rollercoster where everything is mainstreamed and you follow the red thread from start to end all the time. The skillsystem is hopeless. Simplistic and when reached top, you cant advance any further. just collect super items. Its PvE Mostly, and the PvP is hopeless too compared to EVE. There are no really advanced player echonomy. There are really no serious player trade or industry like in eve. Here you need to work long and hard in all aspects.
WoW is not a bad game in general, but they who like EVE usually dont like WoW since as I said: its a complete different game. Everyone have their tastes, and here on the eve forum you find people - guess what - loves and breathes for eve. Just like me, who are currently writing this from nordica hotel on iceland where I attend the eve fanfest! 
Sarah McTeef: You all should really try and stay on topic. Which when I last checked, was my grocery list |
Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr
The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.11.02 23:38:00 -
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i think wow is great!
no realy it is! when ever i get bored on mission running or get depressed by being ganked by a fleet i buy myself a month of wow time and put a long time skill on eve while forceing myself to play wow for atleast a week...a week is the longest i have lasted so far before coming running back to eve...
Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.11.02 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Atama Cardel
Because I can't kill someone without their permission then take their stuff.
That too. Every time someone came on to my female gnome I felt the urge rise to kill them and take their stuff and I never could.
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Benco97
Gallente
Mineral Dynamics
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Posted - 2007.11.02 23:45:00 -
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I will not play World of Warcraft, I find it boring and flat.
I also watched it ruin 3 lives over the course of several months. Four of my friends were avid players, they got great enjoyment from playing WoW and that is a good thing. One of them got bored after a while and stopped playing but the other three still played it, the problem was that one player had been a sort of "regulator" in how much they played and without him they would play all night and then miss work.
After a few weeks of this constant play all of them had lost their jobs, all they did was play WoW.
I never see those three people anymore because they don't go out, they don't do anything. All on the dole. If they are awake they are playing WoW.
Admittedly there are stories like this for all games but that is MY reason for not liking the game, it lost me three friends and I don't even play the bloody thing.
Originally by: lofty29
No.
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Taint
Caldari
The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.11.02 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Oron
Edited by: Oron on 02/11/2007 16:51:15
I dont hate WoW because it is a bad game - in fact it is well done in many factors, and enjoyable to play for some levels (tho it get boring really fast if you play MMORPGs since UO like me).
Yea UO where super until they came out with insurange, wow is like ... well its kids playing for the most so what more need to be said. Eve is more the mature people and thats one of the things making it worth playing
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