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xebian	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:30:00 - [1] Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so? so why all the wow haters?
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:31:00 - [2] Edited by: DubanFP on 02/11/2007 16:31:28 There's only 1 real reason, but it's a good one. Way too many people "not nessissarily all, but many" come to EVE expecting it to be WoW-like. Then come to the forums to whine when they get PWNT by someone more experienced. Day-in Day-out, Day-in Day-out. Wouldn't you start to hate them too? ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
duffmantt Dragonian Freelancers KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:31:00 - [3] Could you give me ten good reasons to play the game? no, i agree, eve and wow are completely different games, its like comparing a car to an aeroplane. everyone likes their own thing, i played wow and kindof enjoyed it, i think its a good game, it just doesnt have any longetivity or good pvp. What we do in Eve, Echoes in eternity...
Alz Shado Ever Flow	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:33:00 - [4] WOW is a brightly polished and smoothened turd. EVE is a fine gem with sharp edges. I like the edges.
Arctur Gestator	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:34:00 - [5] Why do i need 10 reasons to hate it ? I dont hate WoW i hate some players it produces. I dont like its graphics and game system. I dont play it so i dont judge it. _________________________ Adapt or STFU
Barbens	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:34:00 - [6] Because you can hop into WoW, and start smashing things, leveling, and what not without any real effort. This game requires some brain power, instead of just 'smashy smashy'. If you like that kind of game, then great, but if you want to use some brain power then this is your game. Not to mention the populace of WoW is generally 12 year olds, with little to no maturity. BaRbEnS
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Retreat The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:34:00 - [7] I think the main reason why a lot of ppl here dislike WOW is not so much for the game itself but for the audience it draws. Ppl here are generally a bit older and get tired really quick of l33t kiddies harrashing eachother.
xebian	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:36:00 - [8] Ya i do see ya points very well put across great.
Trent0r Caldari Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:40:00 - [9] I hate WoW because it destroys lives. Go to google and read about some of the massive addiction cases that WoW has produced. Kids these days aren't appreciating strong moral values, thus they turn to videogames and waste their lives away. EVE is a great example of a well balanced videogame, I have heard of addiction cases causing problems in lives, but not NEARLY to the extent that WoW has created. Not to mention whenever I say to someone that I play an MMO they IMMEDIATLY go, "omg you play world of lagcraft?". It has TAKEN over the MMO industry, and therefore it is the generic standard that everyone bases mmo's off of.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:40:00 - [10] The whole age thing is just numbers and "supposed". But, the bottom line is, EVE does some things better, WOW does other things better, EVE is fantasy, WOW is space-flight...no wait...anyway! Different worlds, and in the basis, it's the same MMO style in different wrapping. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Oron	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:49:00 - [11] Edited by: Oron on 02/11/2007 16:51:15 WoW had a degenerating effect on the MMORPG community. Before WoW we where relative few ppl, we had our fair shares of jerks, but it was generaly a very nice place to be. WoW flooded the MMORPG community with more ppl then we could assimilate. PPl who had no clue about our social conduct, ppl who where in general far younger than we are, ppl who where real noobs - MMORPG first-timers. Naturaly they missbehaved in many, many aspects of the social life in a MMORPG. Just think about all the need-before-greed rand on the early WoW boards and the running "Its for Hunters!" gag to get a very small clue. Because the first MMORPG you ever play somehow fix your expectations (nothing ever can beat the first few levels on your first character - everything looks shiny and magical) those massive ammount of ppl has and will continue to have a hugh, overhelming impact on the development of new games. Try go to one of the Beta Forums today and ask about Permadeath or other Hardcore challenges - you get just wtfpwned. (well you you got pwned at all times - but the wtf makes the different). I dont hate WoW because it is a bad game - in fact it is well done in many factors, and enjoyable to play for some levels (tho it get boring really fast if you play MMORPGs since UO like me). I do hate WoW because it - in my eyes - ruined the community wich was my virtual home.
War Fairy	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:50:00 - [12] Why don't I like WoW? There's not a single piece of innovation in the game. For example the crafting and trait systems are 7-9 years old. They're identical to EQ and Diablo from the 90s. It looks shiny and plays well but there's nothing new in it. Also the fact that it installs a root kit bothers me. Why don't I like WoW players? Mainly because they come and whine about PvP. They're used to hiding behind their flag based system. They're used to being able to grind XP. All PvP all the time and no grind are what I like about this game.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Oron WoW had a degenerating effect on the MMORPG community. Before WoW we where relative few ppl, we had our fair shares of jerks, but it was generaly a very nice place to be. WoW flooded the MMORPG community with more ppl then we could assimilate. PPl who had no clue about our social conduct, ppl who where in general far younger than we are, ppl who where real noobs - MMORPG first-timers. Because the first MMORPG you ever play somehow fix your expectations (nothing ever can beat the first few levels on your first character - everything looks shiny and magical) those massive ammount of ppl has and will continue to have a hugh, overhelming impact on the development of new games. Try go to one of the Beta Forums today and ask about Permadeath or other Hardcore challenges - you get just wtfpwned. (well you you got pwned at all times - but the wtf makes the different). I dont hate WoW because it is a bad game - in fact it is well done in many factors, and enjoyable to play for some levels (tho it get boring really fast if you play MMORPGs since UO like me). I do hate WoW because it - in my eyes - ruined the community wich was my virtual home. Heh... kinda like AOL vs the internet. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
War Fairy	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:53:00 - [14] Edited by: War Fairy on 02/11/2007 16:54:27 Originally by: Trent0r I hate WoW because it destroys lives. Go to google and read about some of the massive addiction cases that WoW has produced. Kids these days aren't appreciating strong moral values, thus they turn to videogames and waste their lives away. You can find these stories for any MMPOG. Before MMPOGs people did it with MUDs. There are always unbalanced people in the world. What's the difference between spending 12 hours a day building train sets and 12 hours a day in EvE? The flavor of crazy. EDIT: Typo
Oron	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Malcanis Heh... kinda like AOL vs the internet. Yea, kinda! Good analogy!
Lacranora Gallente Pagan Rites Corp	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:59:00 - [16] my wife is addicted to WoW. She comes home from work, eats, then logs on....for the next 4 hours. M-F Then the weekend hits and she slams down 10 hour days on it, unless I start complaining she would put in more time if she could. Past that, WoW was fun for about a week....then it got old really fast. Always looking for new players, as we are a new player Corporation. Check out the site and let us know. http://paganrites.x10hosting.com
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:01:00 - [17] I dont hate WoW, I even played it for a bit because I wanted to see what leading raids was like. I do find it highly amusing when people come from WoW to eve and just cant handle it. For many people WoW was there first MMO and they expect them all to follow the same pattern, though it does get a bit annoying with all the "we need arenas!", "omg i got ganked in safe space", "pirates are skilless griefz0rz" threads ect... For me EVE harked back to the older MMO's infested with PK'ers, my sort of game. Hence I feel above the carebear masses playing there raiding games :)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:02:00 - [18] Also, one BIG issue people have is... They think EVE is so much more innovative and "excellent" My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Umbra Lee	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:02:00 - [19] Clearly you have yet to see the lost commandments. Commandment 11 Thou shalt never speaketh the word lol in real life Commandment 12 Thou shalt bogart the doritoes Commandment 13 Thou shalt fear the sun Commandment 14 Thou shalt never play WoW Commandment 15 Thou shalt giveth your iskies to me
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:02:00 - [20] WoW does for pve what EVE does for pvp. in WoW there is an endless supply of questing and other fun NPC related activities. in EVE there is an endless supply of other people's ships to blow up, or if you arent a fighter there is cornering certain markets in the economy.(and yes in EVE i consider being an industrialist a form of pvp as the market can be nasty, and sometimes evolve into combat pvp) i should have pvped more when i played EVE full time, if i get back into EVE full time i think ill find an 0.0 corp that needs someone who understands back end logistics.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:03:00 - [21] WoW is for five year olds. ** your WoW you **ing ****. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:03:00 - [22] Simple eve player's are mostly 20+ WOW player's mostly 10-15 year old's and it just don't mix well. 10-15 year old's come and whine and cry that eve is to hard or people are mean to them and it drive's us all up the dam wall. wow player's are ok as long as they don't forget that wow stops once you leave there fourms/game sever's and that no one want's you to compair every other game to it. I am not a fan of wow my self i played it and i got bored in 10 mins it just seem to lack any deepth for me unlike eve. EVE is nice and dark a harsh mmo that follow's simple rule's like you make another player mad he will just war dec you and blow your ass away evey time he can find you. !
Beor0d Congregatio Solidus Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:04:00 - [23] Edited by: Beor0d on 02/11/2007 17:05:34 I played WoW for about 6 months excluding beta and it was quite a good game which made alot of fun until you reached lvl60 and had everything you want. EVE has a few big advantages among all other MMOs 1: the skill system, you can't get everything in a few weeks so it has a big long time factor. 2: the setting, its sci-fi space pew pew. Every popular MMO is based on Fantasy except EVE and that makes it unique. 3: The community, one the best AND i think most them are not under 16 like in WoW ^^ 4: Less powergaming 5: Huge world The game itself doesn't "end" like WoW does when you finished everything and the game itself is for free, all expansions are for free and even a GTC is cheaper than in WoW _______________________ hmmm....
Meiko Akumari	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:13:00 - [24] This comes from a hardcore wow'er. I played wow for almost 2 years, thinking i enjoyed every minute of it. but in the end when push came to shove and i lookedback i hadnt done diddle doo and still felt like i didnt get jack done. wow is a game designed to be majorly addictive with a rewards based system. so you always want to get whats better then there average joe. at least on here within about a week or so you can be pretty decent at what your doing as long as you chose the right skills to train and have more then 2 brains cells to operate on. another thing i distaste about wow is their customer/tech support. blizzard has got to be one of the worst companies in the world they might as well switch to dell tech support in india at least i would understand why im not getting much help from them. another then is that wow is 100% gear based and not skill based. so who ever raids more and has the most l33t gear is the baddest mofo around. last but not least there is about 20000 little kids in that game that sound like little girls and cry like babies over the dumbest of things. i can go on for days for reasons why i dont like wow.
Amuko Amarr Happy Little Roid Huggers	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:14:00 - [25] Mods should sticky one wow vs eve thread, because these pop up way too often. Even if you didn't mean to start such a thread, it will end in one.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Meiko Akumari This comes from a hardcore wow'er. I played wow for almost 2 years, thinking i enjoyed every minute of it. but in the end when push came to shove and i lookedback i hadnt done diddle doo and still felt like i didnt get jack done. wow is a game designed to be majorly addictive with a rewards based system. so you always want to get whats better then there average joe. at least on here within about a week or so you can be pretty decent at what your doing as long as you chose the right skills to train and have more then 2 brains cells to operate on. another thing i distaste about wow is their customer/tech support. blizzard has got to be one of the worst companies in the world they might as well switch to dell tech support in india at least i would understand why im not getting much help from them. another then is that wow is 100% gear based and not skill based. so who ever raids more and has the most l33t gear is the baddest mofo around. last but not least there is about 20000 little kids in that game that sound like little girls and cry like babies over the dumbest of things. i can go on for days for reasons why i dont like wow. Oh yea, blizzard blows. ----------------- Friends Forever Kill. BoB. Dead.
Anwylyd Al'Vos Minmatar LightSpeed Industries	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:50:00 - [27] Originally by: xebian Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so? so why all the wow haters? 1- too easy (maxed a toon in 5 weeks) 2- no skill involved (bought me some gold and got 1337) 3- boring (beat end game stuff once and its all been done) 4- cartoon (cheese looks, EQ2 much prettier) 5- juvenile player base 6- juvenile player base 7- juvenile player base 8- juvenile player base 9- juvenile player base 10- and last but not least... juvenile player base (eve attracts more mentally mature players -save for the goon/bob situation- and requires thought, tactics, and real world like options for excelling) _ . - Justice, Mercy, and Faith My soul has horizons further away than those of early mornings, deeper darkness than the night
Sweetpain Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:52:00 - [28] people dont hate wow, even if they say it. What they really hate is the linear game type wow represent compared to eve. in wow there is a start and for many an end (highest level) then after the end the real game starts, player domination (pvp) or Raiding (high end content) Eve is different, In Eve there is a start then emidiately the end game starts. Eve have no restrictions you can partisipate in the raids ( fleet battles ) on day 1 if you want to and no game mechanics would prevent you from doing so (level restrictions) It's like comparing darkness to light.
Dretzle Omega Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:56:00 - [29] Originally by: Lacranora my wife is addicted to WoW. She comes home from work, eats, then logs on....for the next 4 hours. M-F Then the weekend hits and she slams down 10 hour days on it, unless I start complaining she would put in more time if she could. Past that, WoW was fun for about a week....then it got old really fast. Heh, almost sounds like my addiction to Eve. :) Though my wife and I have something of an agreement: when she's awake and at home, I don't play Eve (unless she's also doing one of her addictions :) ).
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:58:00 - [30] About the "kid" situation: Millions of players in WOW. 30k in EVE. About... So the 500 kids we got in EVE, are about in the same amount of the playerbase, equally spread, as we have here. Except for one thing. EVE players say they are more mature, when infact they think they are supreme, yet act like little children. Doesn't apply to all, as does not the wow-kids comparison. WOW is, without a doubt, highly succesful, good in it's own genre of MMO. And EVE, as the sole adversary really, in this genre of MMO, is good. I wouldn't want Blizzard to make a space MMO to compete against EVE, as you might notice soon enough that it would "roxor the boxor". My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:19:00 - [31] 1. Completely static world. 2. Loot whoring is the only objective. 3. PvP is designed with counter strike in mind. 4. Point (score) based pvp where no one looses (we are all winners, yay!). 5. XP grinding to follow your friends around (with the expansions this becomes even more of an issue). 6. Specific players have no real ability to customize their character, chances are that you fit within one of two (sometimes three) cookie cutter ways of setting up your character. 8. Trade skills and player market is a joke. 9. I cant attack lvl 70 characters with my lvl 19 rogue and hope to win. 10. Me and 10 other friends cant swarm a lvl 70 character with our lvl 19 rogues and hope to win. 11. Me and 100 other friends cant swarm a lvl 70 character with our lvl 19 swarm and hope to win. I could go on...
Ironass Amarr Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:25:00 - [32] ok, to start things off, i've been following WoW since alpha, got into the game in the end of US Closed when US Open started. These are the reasons i'm finally terminating my account 1) In July 2006 i joined the Navy and stepped down from my raiding guild (at the time top10 in the world). During my time away alot of my friends got tired of the game, quit and the guild fell downhill. 2) The constant "we want this to be an easy game" attitude from blizzard. World of Warcraft has suffered 3 years of constant nerfs and making things easier for "casual" players. Including raiding. As soon as the first boss in MC was downed a constant stream of nerfs came too it, some required, some just plain stupid. Worldofwar.net had an extremely well scripted comic about it. Heroes of Warcraft if you want to check it out. At the time i thought it was fun for a whole other reason then i do now. 3) NO deathpenalty, makes risk vs reward so less satisfying. 4) The amount of idiots you run into every day, and it's somewhat unavoidable. In eve you can avoid them by saying "no, I don't like you, get the fk away from me or i'll be forced to open fire and/or pod you." In WoW you have to put up with aholes to get something done. 5) The lack of things to do solo. Sure you can quest for gold, but in the end you run out of quests. 6) Battlegrounds was a joke when they came, and they still are. "PvP" was never EVER supposed to be "fair game". Ganks on PvP servers is PvP, showing superior force and or tactics is PvP. PvP allways have one underdog and one oversitter. 7) The lack of diversion, everyone looks the same, specs the same and plays the same. F.E, ask a mage what his spec is, he might tell you 3/43/5. You know exactly what talents he have. Ask a warr if he's prot, arms or fury, you'll know just about everything about him. In EvE ask a guy what he can fly and he'll give you a list of things he can or can not fly. He, even NPCravens don't fit the same. 8) The lack of economy... There's NOTHING to do for your 100k gold. Personally, i had all 4 races mounts pretty much the same time we downed C'Thun. This is when gold was hard to get, and mounts cost 800g each. 3600 + 640(AV) + the runecloth to get the mount, and i still had 1.5k gold to spare. 9) No reward for PvP. All of the above sums this point up. There's no reward in killing another person in World of Warcraft. Kill the person once: YEY! you get 20 honour, but wait? do i need honour for anything? no i don't, i allready have what i want from the pvpvendor. Did i ruin someones day? No, all he had to do was either spiritres and wait 10 minutes, or corpserun for 2minutes and he'd be back in the fight again. 10) Ok, i struggled some to come up with a tenth point that would be general issue. And i failed, so here's a personal issue i have. I'm a PvP oriented player, i personally hate playing too much vs AI. This does make EvE a better game then WoW for me. De-sync Online... =(
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:27:00 - [33] Well i wanted to be objective so i tried WoW, and i can honestly say that i think that it... sux CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Sojourne Minmatar Liquid Courage Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:43:00 - [34] No game out takes a huge amount of brainpower to play, I always find it funny when i hear people use this line of reasoning. Then throw it in the face of other communities. This games learning curve is at the beginning of the game, others are at the end when you need to fine tune your knowledge of game mechanics to excel. This game takes more patience than most but thats about it. Eve players hate the WoW community, other games hate the community here. It's very strange how MMO's have turned into turf wars, but meh the nature of this young beast it seems. I only see it getting worse with all the new games coming out in the next few quarters. To the OP: People in each community wants to feel like they are playing the best thing out basically. Ignorance breeds hate.
Tegashi	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:52:00 - [35] WoW has some positives. My Wife and I used to pay together and we enjoyed the game quite a bit. It gave us something to do during the winter months of snow. There is are wuite a few things that the ges does brilliantly with the questing, playstyle options, and story driven world quite well crafted. Of course they have their fair share of Dregs and *******s but that is no different then here.
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:56:00 - [36] Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 02/11/2007 18:56:21 Originally by: Sojourne No game out takes a huge amount of brainpower to play, I always find it funny when i hear people use this line of reasoning. Then throw it in the face of other communities. This games learning curve is at the beginning of the game, others are at the end when you need to fine tune your knowledge of game mechanics to excel. This game takes more patience than most but thats about it. Eve players hate the WoW community, other games hate the community here. It's very strange how MMO's have turned into turf wars, but meh the nature of this young beast it seems. I only see it getting worse with all the new games coming out in the next few quarters. To the OP: People in each community wants to feel like they are playing the best thing out basically. Ignorance breeds hate. It is also very common in gaming communities that the smart players come out of the woodwork to tell the rest of us how infinitly biased we are. And btw, WoW is generally known to have the simplest learning curve at any stage in the game, I know no one, I have read no article or even seen one commnet that says that WoW has any kind of learning curve that is challenging. But that is not why I dont like wow.
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:56:00 - [37] I used to play WoW regularly, even downed Rag right before BC came out. I was starting to check out other games, and started on EVE to mine or something on my other box while questing in WoW. But the more I played EVE, I liked it more and enjoyed playing WoW less and less... Now it just feels like all the questing, gold, etc, in WoW is pointless and everything (even running missions) in EVE is more meaningful. The previous posts pretty much already explain why I think. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Liam Liam	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:58:00 - [38] Well I played wow and thought it was ok till lvl 50 then it was poor but as you want the bad points 1. Expansions ( I already payed for the game I'm paying a monthly fee I'm not going to rebuy the game every 6 months or so as well that's just robbery) 2. Instances I don't like them they might reduce lag but I prefer to be in a world where I can meet people, they spoil the immersion. 3. Higher level content needed massive groups with little individual reward was just boring unless it was you getting the reward. But they did do a lot of things well in wow you can swim you can fish the lag most places was acceptable you could solo a lot of content. Classes were different so you could try different styles personally I liked the warlock. Higher levels could help out lower ones to an extent. So it wasn't all bad but would I go back to it ...nope Are there better games yes are there worse yes
Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:03:00 - [39] Originally by: xebian Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so? so why all the wow haters? Because players in eve have a mmo superiority complex. EVE players like to think of themselves as hardcore pvp'ers and like to think of wow players as carebears or whiney 11 year olds that just want epix and are scared of real pvp (pvp where you can loose your stuff permanently). The truth is it is all just mmo ego, EVE can't be compared to Wow because they are two different games. In a PVE sense WOW blows EVE completely out the water. But what you will find is that wow players complain more on the forums about silly things, especially things that appear to put them at a disadvantage to others e.g. 'omg nerf locks, nerf fear!!1111'. EVE players believe most wow players want everything in easy-mode so whenever a new player whines on this forum for something to be 'balanced', 'nerfed' or made easier they are almost always told by at least 10 people in the thread to 'go back to wow'. _____________ Originally by: Kanye West CCP doesn't care about roleplaying people.
Mekk Azal November Night Industries	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:04:00 - [40] Why do I hate WOW? Because of weak people and the negative/positive media. WOW has over 6million players, its the biggest MMORPG atm out on the market. Alot of these 6 million people have a weak psych and gets addictive and this kind crap gets into the newspaper. Now alot of non-gamers thinks that video/computer games are the devils work and what not because of that. However, the media also states that WOW is the best, biggest and funniest game there is. The average non-gaming Joe now thinks "Hey, isnt that the game that ** people up?". People think that all games are like WOW and since the media both says that alot of people have gone on rehab because of WOW, people freak out. When media in the same newspaper says that WOW is the biggest game, people freak more out. Because of WOW, everytime I tell someone I play games they ask me "What, like WOW?" and that makes me freaking mad because WOW is a overhyped, childish-looking and addictive game that have ruined alot of peoples lifes. WOW gives all gamers a bad name. I hate it when people thinks I play a game where the world is pink and purple with "magical" creatures and **.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:10:00 - [41] Never played WOW, in spite of an old D&D habit. The reason that WOW players are disliked in EVE is that they try to change EVE into WOW.
Lyvanna Kitaen	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:37:00 - [42] WOW was my first MMO and I played it for about a year and a half. In fact, this character is named after the hunter I had there. My main problem with WOW was that it was fun at the lower levels but once you hit the max level with your character it was a PITA the advance farther without getting a 40-person raid group together. In Eve, I can do lots of things solo that can allow me to improve my character. It's a much more open ended game. WOW forced upper level characters into 2 general paths -- PVP arenas or raids. The maturity level of other players could be a problem too but the aggravation can be reduced quite a bit by joining a good guild. (I ran one for a while) and by avoiding Ironforge I think the thing that finally did me in was an 11 hour raid that I was part of in Molten Core (we were still learning the monsters). We had made it to the final boss and BOOM! we get a message that the server was going down in 5 minutes. We had cleared the whole dungeon and then they reset it on us. All in all, WOW wasn't a bad experience, it's just that it stopped being fun for me due to the playstyle that endgame forced on my character.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:39:00 - [43] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 02/11/2007 22:39:09 Originally by: xebian Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so? so why all the wow haters? Because it's ****balls.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:41:00 - [44] I do not hate WoW. Both games are good and not that different. This game when you die, you lose time because you have to grind for ISK. When you die in WoW, you lose time because you have to run to your corpse and it is camped by a camper. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:46:00 - [45] Originally by: xebian Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so? so why all the wow haters? I honestly don't think alot of people here actively hate Wow itself. What they hate is the mentality that some former Wow players trying to bring into Eve, often things that go against the very premise of what Eve is: e.g. - risk free pvp - total safety from any form of harm all the time - grinding for SP - treating SP as if it's the same as "levels" - space elves - how all pvpers are really griefers and should be banned Over the years this has created an "anti wow" mentality in the general player base, most don't really hate wow when it comes right down to it, it's just fun to bash it. That said we've seen examples on the Wow forums now and then where players rant on about how crap Eve is etc so it's not a one sided thing.
RedWyvern Gallente FireStar Inc	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:47:00 - [46] Edited by: RedWyvern on 02/11/2007 22:48:30 Originally by: Angela Toren [ Because players in eve have a mmo superiority complex. I am going to quote this on every single page. For chrissake, we have this thread every other ***** week. If you're going to disparage WoW based on the game itself or its mechanics, fine. If you're going to disparage WoW based on its community or demographics, give solid facts backed up with evidence. The "oh WoW players are soooo immature they're all like 12 year olds lolz!" is horse** and has been bandied around for far too long. Even if it were true, is the smug self-aggrandising attitude EVE forumites display any better? -------------------------------------------------- Loyalty, Integrity, Honour.
Claude Leon Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:51:00 - [47] Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly I think the main reason why a lot of ppl here dislike WOW is not so much for the game itself but for the audience it draws. Ppl here are generally a bit older and get tired really quick of l33t kiddies harrashing eachother. Oh the irony of this post is quite comical.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:51:00 - [48] WoW doesn't have what we are looking for. Without risk there is no adrenalein. I will happily accept the label of carebear but WoW pvp is pillowfighting. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions
Magerosi Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:53:00 - [49] i play both eve and wow. I like eve better. the main draw is the ability to advance while you enjoy real life at the same time. wow gets boring especially when your up against those who play 24/7 on wow. they call it skill. I call it a dang game and they need to get a life.
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:02:00 - [50] 1) level cap, end game 2) no-risk pvp 3) senseless "fair" pvp, this kind of pvp doesn't exist, really 4) most of the game is solo 5) raiding has been turned in a joke 6) gold, gold, gold...too much gold 7) the outcome of a n-vs-n is too much predictable 8) world of carebear 9) pvp and no-pvp shards 10) elves Originally by: 'CCP Nozh' We did not expect the requests to prematurely end dear Zulupark's existence in this universe, some of which were very imaginative
Etchyboy Minmatar Firman AB 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:09:00 - [51] I started with EQ and it sucked the life out of me. Hours and hours online trying to grind away to the next level or AA. I ended up getting addicted to it and paid less and less attention to my wife an kids. Then I tried wow it ended up being the same XP grind though not as bad as EQ but still required to much time online. EVE has the perfect balance for me and I love the fact that I do not have to sit infront of my comp hacking a slashing to get more powerfull. I wonder if I can sell my EQ accounts for ISK???
Sul Condbax Open Season	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:11:00 - [52] WoW is one of the best solo games i've played. Eve however, is a multiplayer game.
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:15:00 - [53] Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 02/11/2007 23:15:31 It's orks and dorks. magic, elves, swords, and spells etc are just unhetero. That is just ignoring all the other unhetero **** such as grinding.
Atama Cardel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:16:00 - [54] Because I can't kill someone without their permission then take their stuff. Originally by: Odda hey im a gonnie and i like to sue CCP to gett the game to my favor
Gealbhan Caldari The SAS The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:22:00 - [55] I got curious and dloaded the trial of WoW one night played it for two hours and hit uninstall... I... don't like talking about it after that... My reactions kind of went like this "Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:30:00 - [56] Originally by: xebian Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so? so why all the wow haters? Many hate WoW because its a complete different game from EVE. In EVE you have to work hard to achieve everything. Down to the single ISK or skillpoint. EVE is a sandbox. And EVE is PVP inn absolute all aspects. From combat, trade, industry and mining. All aspects. Even in the PvE parts you can find traces of PvP sometimes! Now look on WoW. its not a sandbox. Its a rollercoster where everything is mainstreamed and you follow the red thread from start to end all the time. The skillsystem is hopeless. Simplistic and when reached top, you cant advance any further. just collect super items. Its PvE Mostly, and the PvP is hopeless too compared to EVE. There are no really advanced player echonomy. There are really no serious player trade or industry like in eve. Here you need to work long and hard in all aspects. WoW is not a bad game in general, but they who like EVE usually dont like WoW since as I said: its a complete different game. Everyone have their tastes, and here on the eve forum you find people - guess what - loves and breathes for eve. Just like me, who are currently writing this from nordica hotel on iceland where I attend the eve fanfest! Sarah McTeef: You all should really try and stay on topic. Which when I last checked, was my grocery list
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr The Firestorm Elite	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:38:00 - [57] i think wow is great! no realy it is! when ever i get bored on mission running or get depressed by being ganked by a fleet i buy myself a month of wow time and put a long time skill on eve while forceing myself to play wow for atleast a week...a week is the longest i have lasted so far before coming running back to eve... Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi".
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:43:00 - [58] Originally by: Atama Cardel Because I can't kill someone without their permission then take their stuff. That too. Every time someone came on to my female gnome I felt the urge rise to kill them and take their stuff and I never could. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions
Benco97 Gallente Mineral Dynamics	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:45:00 - [59] I will not play World of Warcraft, I find it boring and flat. I also watched it ruin 3 lives over the course of several months. Four of my friends were avid players, they got great enjoyment from playing WoW and that is a good thing. One of them got bored after a while and stopped playing but the other three still played it, the problem was that one player had been a sort of "regulator" in how much they played and without him they would play all night and then miss work. After a few weeks of this constant play all of them had lost their jobs, all they did was play WoW. I never see those three people anymore because they don't go out, they don't do anything. All on the dole. If they are awake they are playing WoW. Admittedly there are stories like this for all games but that is MY reason for not liking the game, it lost me three friends and I don't even play the bloody thing. Originally by: lofty29 No.
Taint Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:52:00 - [60] Originally by: Oron Edited by: Oron on 02/11/2007 16:51:15 I dont hate WoW because it is a bad game - in fact it is well done in many factors, and enjoyable to play for some levels (tho it get boring really fast if you play MMORPGs since UO like me). Yea UO where super until they came out with insurange, wow is like ... well its kids playing for the most so what more need to be said. Eve is more the mature people and thats one of the things making it worth playing
Shakuul Caldari O RLY corp YTMND.	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:01:00 - [61] Most people here trash WoW but have probably never played (ie reached lvl 60/70 - whatever the cap was at the time - high end raid content). WoW is much more twitchy (ie you have to micromanage your weapons). EVE there is basically no twitch (you turn mods on and they continue firing until ammo is gone). I really think all of the hatred towards WoW is largely unjustified. The "EVE has more brainpower" thing is mostly EVE players being smug/elitist. Maybe if you're a trader in EVE its harder than being a trader in WoW, but I think you can still manipulate item prices in WoW. I know plenty of intelligent people who played (and became addicted to WoW).
Red Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:11:00 - [62] Edited by: Red Harvest on 03/11/2007 00:12:50 WoW is just a more shiny version of Everquest or UO for me which is pretty much enough to say. What i really love about EVE is the need to adapt which is tbh what makes EVE players different from WoW players. PS: WoW is still leagues above Knights Online and idiots playing there.
Private Snowball	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:23:00 - [63] Originally by: Anwylyd Al'Vos Originally by: xebian Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so? so why all the wow haters? 1- too easy (maxed a toon in 5 weeks) 2- no skill involved (bought me some gold and got 1337) 3- boring (beat end game stuff once and its all been done) 4- cartoon (cheese looks, EQ2 much prettier) 5- juvenile player base 6- juvenile player base 7- juvenile player base 8- juvenile player base 9- juvenile player base 10- and last but not least... juvenile player base (eve attracts more mentally mature players -save for the goon/bob situation- and requires thought, tactics, and real world like options for excelling)
Prim Galactic Defence Consortium Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:23:00 - [64] Edited by: Prim on 03/11/2007 00:23:52 1- too easy (maxed a toon in 5 weeks) 2- no skill involved (bought me some gold and got 1337) 3- boring (beat end game stuff once and its all been done) 4- cartoon (cheese looks, EQ2 much prettier) 5- juvenile player base 6- juvenile player base 7- juvenile player base 8- juvenile player base 9- juvenile player base 10- and last but not least... juvenile player base (eve attracts more mentally mature players -save for the goon/bob situation- and requires thought, tactics, and real world like options for excelling) I would first like to stat that i have played wow since release and am not ashamed to admit it. 1. I can agree it doesnt take much to get to level 70 in this case 2. You couldnt be more wrong.. example you get a lvl 70 what ever class you want with all the best endgame gear and I will beat you with a lvl 70 in all Greens. Compare that to eve. Lets say im a complete new guy here and have been playing for a couple weeks. I have basic knoledge about combat.. you give me a faction fitted HAC "this would be the level 70 with best endgame gear" and you get the T1 varient with just named modules.. as your the player in this example that has been playing since 2003.. their is no way if your both fitted wtih same range weapons that you will kill me it just wont happen.. In wow the (i bought me some good and got l337) character will get @#$% rolled by some old timer in greens) The rest i pretty much agree with you 100% on except #10.. WoW does take skill.. but unlike eve if you are a skilled player and get jumped buy 5 or 6 other players if you play your cards right in wow you will have a MUCH higher chance of winning than in eve.. This post is not a bash of eve because i absolutly love it.. and got sick of wow and came here.. I have for the most part kept my mouth shut and will not reply to any more of eve vs wow threads because 1 i really dont care, 2. the games are NOTHING alike its like comparing a VW bug to a lambo. and finally i dont really care if anyone flames me for posting this.. and no i didnt take every little tiny factor of both games when I wrote this. I do care however when people like you write a post about a certin game flaming that game when you have no @#$@@#$% clue what your talking about. 400x120@24000 bytes Maximum please. Mail [email protected] for more information. - Acario Vito
Jack Target Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:24:00 - [65] I got to level 56, and realised WoW has a finite life: it will come to an end at some point because it can be upgraded in limited ways only. Then I looked at the time I had spent on the game, and I felt I had wasted my time - There was no reason to get to know another player, and eventually the game would end anyway. Eve Online could go on for ever.
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:59:00 - [66] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 02/11/2007 16:37:17 There's only 1 real reason, but it's a good one. Way too many people "not nessissarily all, but many" come to EVE expecting it to be WoW-like. Then come to the forums to whine when they get PWNT by someone more experienced. Day-in Day-out, Day-in Day-out. Basically WoW breeds stupid in EVE. Wouldn't you begin to hate them too after a while? Same thing with Guild Wars. People came to GW expecting it to be WoW with no monthly fee. The only problem is that the makers of GW caved in and started turning GW into a more WoW-like game. It used to be unique, but all most people knew about it was that it was just an MMO with no monthly fee and that's what it's turning into. I blame WoW. I don't want that to happen in Eve, so when I see people wanting it to be more like WoW, it bugs the hell out of me. At least CCP seems to remain true to their vision.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.11.03 02:09:00 - [67] WoW has no lag. WoW is fun. No need to say more. EVE used to be fun, but most posters here don't know what EVE was like before POSes. EVE looks like a job now, it's the slowest game ever marketed and it's sad because it has more depth than any game available. If CCP could develop EVE II taking the good and trashing the ugly, THEN we would have a killer game. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.11.03 02:16:00 - [68] Originally by: Oron Edited by: Oron on 02/11/2007 16:51:15 WoW had a degenerating effect on the MMORPG community. Before WoW we where relative few ppl, we had our fair shares of jerks, but it was generaly a very nice place to be. WoW flooded the MMORPG community with more ppl then we could assimilate. PPl who had no clue about our social conduct, ppl who where in general far younger than we are, ppl who where real noobs - MMORPG first-timers. Naturaly they missbehaved in many, many aspects of the social life in a MMORPG. Just think about all the need-before-greed rand on the early WoW boards and the running "Its for Hunters!" gag to get a very small clue. Because the first MMORPG you ever play somehow fix your expectations (nothing ever can beat the first few levels on your first character - everything looks shiny and magical) those massive ammount of ppl has and will continue to have a hugh, overhelming impact on the development of new games. Try go to one of the Beta Forums today and ask about Permadeath or other Hardcore challenges - you get just wtfpwned. (well you you got pwned at all times - but the wtf makes the different). I dont hate WoW because it is a bad game - in fact it is well done in many factors, and enjoyable to play for some levels (tho it get boring really fast if you play MMORPGs since UO like me). I do hate WoW because it - in my eyes - ruined the community wich was my virtual home. This is close to reality for a lot of us. I played Asheron's Call forever way back when... it's what... 7 years old now? People were much more pleasant to deal with. Every player was some kind of geek or nerd and although there were always a few *******s you never had to worry about someone with a level 8 million character camping a level 2 critter spawn just to annoy the newbs that needed the kill. WoW has lowered the bar and opened the market, which in some ways is great... if only there were some kind of social skills test before you were licenced to use the interwebz ;) ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
FuzzBuzz Caldari North Face Force	Posted - 2007.11.03 02:56:00 - [69] people who say they think there time playing a game was a waste are stupid. why play a game if what you do will be pointless? playing eve will become pointless once the next good game comes out. sitting around for hours, in a ship lagged out in 0.0 shooting ** you don't know if its still alive just to say i participated in taking x from a game is pointless. play the game for fun, and nothing else, as what you do in games is gone once you stop playing. It amuses me when people say eve has a higher age group that plays the game, but it is this age group that posts in COAD. This game is becoming boring, all i want to do is shoot ** but not spend hours finding it. I can see why 6 million peeps play WoW, maybe they like instant fun. Eve has become a hunt for fun game. Spending a few hours searching for a fight, then you get one, kill a stupid mofo, and a blob comes to chase couple of ships. This is EvE, and yet you guys complain about wow. Look at EvE and ask your self... is most of my time spent having fun than chasing for fun. end of rant, me is drunk, had a crap night out REAL CRAP and come on here to hear whining people who think this game is Superior. just because... Man i wish planetside wasnt dead, that game was more fun and took more skill. ----- In this game, what becomes popular becomes overpowered, what becomes overpowered gets nerfed. NEXT! endless cycle.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.03 03:00:00 - [70] Wrong forum and who cares _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Yugami Constible	Posted - 2007.11.03 03:02:00 - [71] Been playing MMORPG's since UO's Launch too now and I have a open account right now with World of Warcraft and EVE Online. What you need too understand is theirs a few types of players in the MMORPG world and they have never seen eye too eye. Theirs the Casual Players that have lives or so they claim and can only log on for a few hours here and their and theirs Raiders, Players that believe all good loot should come from a huge large group effort or the ammount of time you put in. Theirs PK's and "CareBears" or people that dont care too pvp alot. Player Killers love the ability too fight other players anytime anywere and too destroy your day if they can, they resent the Players that dont care for this lifestyle or risk and vise versa. While WoW and EVE are the same in that they both offer Casual content Agents, Missions, Mining, Quest's, Small and Large Instances. They are also very different also, While they both have things for both sides World of Warcraft is in the end geared more towards the casual carebear player with PvP second. EVE Online takes the opposite approach with some casual content but the best left for the PK's out in 0.0 with the ability too destroy hundreds of millions of Isk (And real time the Player had too waste getting said isk). This appeals too many PvP types sense of risk vs rewards. When a Wow player comes too EVE freak out when they lose a months worth of Isk in a single Boom, and quickly lose intrest. EVE Players tend too get fustrated with Wow as they see no risk or point in Wow's PvP. My 2 cents P.S. However the casual players usually outnumber the PvP types in all these games and their numbers make or break many games so hence why theirs almost no pure PvP games out their. Thanks
Val Vympel	Posted - 2007.11.03 05:47:00 - [72] I am a former WoW player.(1 year) And what I discovered about WoW in that time was... WoW is simply not a viable game for the average/casual player. WoW is a time sink of EPIC proportions. At a certain point you begin to realize that you can accomplish almost nothing without belonging to a raiding guild(and hope that you can get some drops)or you have 16 hours a day to play the game. I,like many have a career,family etc... WoW is simply to time consuming. Val
Taran Summers The Merovingians	Posted - 2007.11.03 06:01:00 - [73] I play both. When an expansion comes out I take a break from EVE and play through all the quests and such and enjoy my fantasy vacation. And once I hit max level and finish all the non-raid content, I come back here and keep on mission running and mining and such, usually with a couple of 30 day skills done while I was off playing WoW. One's cake, the other's pie, both are good in their own way and you get tired of one or the other if its all you ever get, so I alternate. I check out the Beta's of other games, and someday, if something I like comes along, either WoW will get replaced if its fantasy, or EVE will get replaced if its a good spaceship pew pew. And as for turning EVE into WoW. The only change I'd like to see is the ability to skill up more than one character slot, having to pay for two accounts to skill up two characters that I never play at the same time is an idiotic money sink that's far worse than making me buy an expansion once a year. I'd rather dump the $50 once a year vs the $180 it takes to keep that second account leveling for my industrialist.
Jack Target Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.03 06:40:00 - [74] Edited by: Jack Target on 03/11/2007 06:43:06 Originally by: FuzzBuzz people who say they think there time playing a game was a waste are stupid. why play a game if what you do will be pointless? playing eve will become pointless once the next good game comes out. sitting around for hours, in a ship lagged out in 0.0 shooting ** you don't know if its still alive just to say i participated in taking x from a game is pointless. play the game for fun, and nothing else, as what you do in games is gone once you stop playing. It amuses me when people say eve has a higher age group that plays the game, but it is this age group that posts in COAD. This game is becoming boring, all i want to do is shoot ** but not spend hours finding it. I can see why 6 million peeps play WoW, maybe they like instant fun. Eve has become a hunt for fun game. Spending a few hours searching for a fight, then you get one, kill a stupid mofo, and a blob comes to chase couple of ships. This is EvE, and yet you guys complain about wow. Look at EvE and ask your self... is most of my time spent having fun than chasing for fun. end of rant, me is drunk, had a crap night out REAL CRAP and come on here to hear whining people who think this game is Superior. just because... Man i wish planetside wasnt dead, that game was more fun and took more skill. I did enjoy playing WoW. Nevertheless, player effort goes into a game if you want to play it well. Eve is unique because its life span is indefinite - it's a bit like playing tennis or football - Throughout my life I can build on my game. I don't think Eve will be as easily superceded (or superseded) as other computer games. This is because the developers overhaul regularly in a more thorough way. For example, no other game will have ongoing additions such as the ambulation program. I researched Eve Online before I started to play it.
Davlos Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.03 07:52:00 - [75] I'm a WoW refugee after having played it for two years. Hit 60, grinded and grinded raid instances, got all that Tier 3 loot and that bull****. Quite the carebear I was. Looks like I made it, huh? ;) Irregardless, WoW was fun while it lasted, but it simply can't last forever. I already did everything that could've been done, and I was sat around bored in the cities showing off my glittery stuff to the noobs. Boring. I go back to it every few months, however. I play EVE too much, sometimes to the point of burning out on it. Then I go back to say hi to the old friends I made over the course of two years. Not for the game. I think people tend to forget that the people you play with in a MMORPG makes the game, not always the game itself. ---------------
Kofgod	Posted - 2007.11.03 07:58:00 - [76] Bring Back AC2
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.03 08:10:00 - [77] I dont hate woff, I just found it dull as compared to EvE, no market to speak of, no PvP content, a constant grind to get big unwieldy and ugly "extremely rare" items that everyone has. In short a grind of booredoom. Thus I dont play it. I have many friends who do and judging from what they talk about when talking about woff I dont really understand why they play it ither. They however do, I dont and that is that. Its actually sad that I got into EvE as early as I did, if I had not I would most probably have been able to play and have fun playing such games as Anarchy online, Linnage, Guildwars, World of warcraft, City of heroes/villains... At present I am waiting for Warhammer Online to try out, I very much doubt it will be good enough for me to quit EvE but if Im lucky they have managed to get the world right and thus may be a rivaling MMO that I dont tire of in a month.
Boomx	Posted - 2007.11.03 09:43:00 - [78] A huge ammount of wow players might be wearing diapers but for the love of god, what is the matter with the some of the eve population? They seldom cannot do a single post without crying go back to wow, go play kitty, you are a complete moron and other various other attacks on the op. Saying wow takes the skill of a moron, sure buy a lvl 70 and go play a instance and see how good you do. Sure you can max out your character in one to two weeks without problems. I bet the wow boards say you dont even need to play the game to advance in Eve, buy isk and lookup a ship config and go out and kill people. In my opinion people could be a wee bit more forgiving, open minded and not judge people so damn fast. Sorry I did not give you 10... whoho a bike! /Hug
John Monaghan	Posted - 2007.11.03 09:47:00 - [79] Maybe the real reason for the ire is because EVE and WoW have at least one too many things in common. If they were completely different, it'd be harder to care.
Bonny Lee Caldari Trinitas Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.03 10:56:00 - [80] Mhh i dont hate WoW but i hate all the devs for making damn clones of the game. Arent they able to build their own game or a least take UO for their inspiration. With every WOW-Clone on more grinding game with no endgame is born.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 11:38:00 - [81] Originally by: Val Vympel I am a former WoW player.(1 year) And what I discovered about WoW in that time was... WoW is simply not a viable game for the average/casual player. WoW is a time sink of EPIC proportions. At a certain point you begin to realize that you can accomplish almost nothing without belonging to a raiding guild(and hope that you can get some drops)or you have 16 hours a day to play the game. I,like many have a career,family etc... WoW is simply to time consuming. Val I had the self same experience. If you left wow for a few days then your corp mates were miles ahead and you had to grind like a looney to catch up. While the pvp and risk was non-existentent I still enjoyed playing for a while. wow does have a good sense of 'place', each area was unique, and returning to the 'newby' area envoked an odd sense of nostalgia. I cant even recall where I started in Eve. I occasionaly look at the wow site, and think 'I could go back...' but I dont think I ever will. C. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
Saraith Narr Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2007.11.03 11:45:00 - [82] Quote: I occasionaly look at the wow site, and think 'I could go back...' but I dont think I ever will. I hear you on that one, I'm always thinking "if theres a new server...maybe..."... But 1-80...no thanks!
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.11.03 11:49:00 - [83] Originally by: xebian Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so? so why all the wow haters? 1, Its rubbish. 2, The chars are childish cartoon chars. 3, The game play is awful. 4, The pvp is awful. 5, The pve is awful, repetative and linear. 6, Most of the players are immature and just bothered about Pwnage and crap workds like that. 7, Its rubbish, 8, The skill system is crap, you can reach the top level available in 2 days. 9, The economay is a joke, most servers economy are ran by 2-3 gold sellers. 10, Its rubbish.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.11.03 11:51:00 - [84] Also about 50% of the idiots that play buy gold, not realising that some poor sod has to get hacked for them to get their gold. Theres just too many losers and idiots knocking about in crappy azeroth.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:02:00 - [85] Originally by: Benco97 I will not play World of Warcraft, I find it boring and flat. I also watched it ruin 3 lives over the course of several months. Four of my friends were avid players, they got great enjoyment from playing WoW and that is a good thing. One of them got bored after a while and stopped playing but the other three still played it, the problem was that one player had been a sort of "regulator" in how much they played and without him they would play all night and then miss work. After a few weeks of this constant play all of them had lost their jobs, all they did was play WoW. I never see those three people anymore because they don't go out, they don't do anything. All on the dole. If they are awake they are playing WoW. Admittedly there are stories like this for all games but that is MY reason for not liking the game, it lost me three friends and I don't even play the bloody thing. lol Loosing your job isnt ruining your life dipstick. Some people like me refuse to work ever, Having a regular job would ruin my life.
Anacrit Mc'Sinister	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:02:00 - [86] why 10? are you afrade of 3 good reasons? well, lets try our best. 1. wow has no consequence. you can run around wallowing in your own stupidity and you will not loose anything. in eve you can make a bad choise and loose everything you own after 10 month of playing on the gate. 2. developers if WOW just keep giving players everything they moan for. and again and agina. races get revamped every few month. you can now get up to lvl 60 in 1 day so that you can be with your friends faster. etc. 3. teh abouve 2 trason make wow a very atractive game for little kids and who just whatn to run around and swear inneptly in verios languiges. AND THANK GOD FOR THAT becouse it keeps those little t*ts away form EVE....mostly and now we also need to look as to why we like eve so much! vs wow. 3. you dont dont have to grined 24/7 to lvl up. so if you have a job/ lectures you go to. or anything elce....well you can live with it. 2. eve is smart, complex, diverce. wow is streamlined and limited with no real choice in what you are going to do with yourself. 1 . wow servet suports around 1000 players before you have to wait for an houre to log in. and eve then its just 1000pips vs eves entire population. and finaly...pay 24ú for a game, and then 24ú, expantion pack, and then an other one...and then monthsly subscrioption. its simply too much and unfear.
Val Vympel	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:05:00 - [87] Originally by: Fester Addams Its actually sad that I got into EvE as early as I did, if I had not I would most probably have been able to play and have fun playing such games as Anarchy online, Linnage, Guildwars, World of warcraft, City of heroes/villain I can't speak for any of the games you have listed here save WoW and City of Heroes(CoH). Of course I can't speak for you and your tastes but please don't be sad that you missed this game(CoH). I played CoH for a year prior to my WoW experience and I can tell you it was a "grind-a-thon" of EPIC proportions. Here are the positives and negatives of CoH. Positives 1.Well rendered(the colors and graphics were very good). 2.Interface(simple and easy to use). 3.Character creation(very detailed and fun). 4.Character advancement(linear and level based but not cookie cutter there were many options on how you could emphasize your abilities). Negatives 1.Grind,grind and more grind,(Did I mention the grind)I really thought I was hallucinating sometimes. 2.ZERO economy(This aspect if there was one would have gotten in the way of the primary purpose of the game=GRINDING). 3.Dancing emotes Need I say more? 4.Dev Team(They were always robbing Peter to pay Paul). In short,they wielded the nerf bat often and with complete and utter callous impunity).I read many threads here bashing CCP for caving in to the whiners...try CoH if you really want a dev team that caves to whiners. There are more positves and negatives than this,these are the major ones. Just my opinion.... Val
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:07:00 - [88] The wow hate in this forum sometimes go a bit too far. Wow is a pretty good game, though its very different from EVE. Most mmo's are benefiting from wow as they got a lot of people to try a mmo for the first time. However wow's presence is getting too powerful. Dev's cant ignore its success and players are whining about getting wow-like features in other games. Its very annoying for those that play EVE because its EVE to constantly read suggestions for making EVE into wow in space.
Armoured C Gallente Deviance Inc DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:20:00 - [89] Originally by: Sorja WoW has no lag. WoW is fun. No need to say more. EVE used to be fun, but most posters here don't know what EVE was like before POSes. EVE looks like a job now, it's the slowest game ever marketed and it's sad because it has more depth than any game available. If CCP could develop EVE II taking the good and trashing the ugly, THEN we would have a killer game.
heheheh The Scope	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:28:00 - [90] Originally by: Sorja WoW has no lag. WoW is fun. No need to say more. haha This gave me a good laugh. WoW has no lag ? wrong, 50% of the servers are very laggy and if u even tried a 200 vs 200 fight like in eve the server WOULD crash. WoW is fun for the first few months, eventually youve killed all PVE bosses and the only thing left to do is kill them again and again, This is not fun.
Scoti Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:39:00 - [91] Edited by: Scoti on 03/11/2007 12:42:44 I think (only my own opinion here) but there is an undercurrent of fear in the eve community about WOW. Some people in eve my feel the success of WOW may influence the developers in taking the game a certain way, making it easier etc etc. So every time someone comes on the forums and makes a negative post about the aspects of EVE that are complete different to WOW its gets their backs up. The fear being that CCP will go "You know guys if we make X Y Z different (so its similar to WOW) we could get a few more subscribers"... then six months later..."You know guys if we make X Y Z different (so its similar to WOW) we could get a few more subscribers" and so on and so forth. A few years down the track there will be a queue for 0.0 space until the numbers are equal and your Level 3 mission agent asks for you to " Go to jita and bring me 10 Gurista Despoiler radio antenna". I played WOW for about three weeks after the last MMO i was playing. Thought it was very poor game... old ideas from all the other mmo (i think ive pretty much played them all) all mashed together but very cleverly marketed.
poooowwaa	Posted - 2007.11.03 13:32:00 - [92] Edited by: poooowwaa on 03/11/2007 13:33:28 Originally by: xebian Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so? so why all the wow haters? because space ships > roleplaying a swordfighting 6 foot wide 5 foot tall human or 8 foot wide 4 foot tall gnome? the whole theme and feel of wow is childish you can argue that the ages between the two games are similar but not when you log on you will see wow has younger players if not then at least they dont speak their mouths so much in eve because they would die and feel it and what the posted above said the harshness of eve is what makes the game good carebearing is only 25% of the game
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.03 14:42:00 - [93] Originally by: Scoti Edited by: Scoti on 03/11/2007 12:42:44 I think (only my own opinion here) but there is an undercurrent of fear in the eve community about WOW. Some people in eve my feel the success of WOW may influence the developers in taking the game a certain way, making it easier etc etc. So every time someone comes on the forums and makes a negative post about the aspects of EVE that are complete different to WOW its gets their backs up. The fear being that CCP will go "You know guys if we make X Y Z different (so its similar to WOW) we could get a few more subscribers"... then six months later..."You know guys if we make X Y Z different (so its similar to WOW) we could get a few more subscribers" and so on and so forth. A few years down the track there will be a queue for 0.0 space until the numbers are equal and your Level 3 mission agent asks for you to " Go to jita and bring me 10 Gurista Despoiler radio antenna". I played WOW for about three weeks after the last MMO i was playing. Thought it was very poor game... old ideas from all the other mmo (i think ive pretty much played them all) all mashed together but very cleverly marketed. The thing is, this has happened in Guild Wars. Originally a unique game, it became more and more like WoW because of all the people who want to play WoW, but can't get their mommies to pay for the fee play GW and whine that it should be more like WoW. So it's not just a baseless fear--it has happened in at least one game (and pretty much ruined it).
Red Dot'Clicking	Posted - 2007.11.03 19:00:00 - [94] There are the casual wow players and the hardcore guilds. The hardcore play long hours, they read up on theorycraft and do the maths to min/max every aspect of what they do. There are no young players in such guilds, the average age will be twenties thirties. Kids cant control their time as "mom has called them to dinner". The top guilds are serious and demand 100% from everyone. They are in competition with each other to get the kill first. They spend time farming for consumables and parse combat logs to optimise what they do. They bash themselves against a boss for a month every single night trying different strategies and getting perfect excution. Each man doing his job, swapping in the correct classes to make the perfect raid for that boss. Pretty similar to ship fitting for the fight. But the content is provided by Blizzard. Its made hard so that only the people willing to make this effort will ever beat it and get to try the next even harder boss. The payback is the satisfaction that you have beaten something very few others have managed. You have made it to the elite. Its not about the loot you get. Its not the getting there but the journey that counts. Nothing beats the "oh yes" shout when you finaly get the boss down after all that effort. The PvP does seem pointless to EvE players because its not permanent. But PvP is a mini game in WoW. PvPers often dislike the PvE game. Thus you cannot force them to PvE for new gear. This is the advantage of WoW PvP. You get to PvP non stop. Testing your skills and those of your buddies against others. Eve you rarely get to PvP. Each ship you lose is so expensive it means hours of PvE to pay for a replacement. In this sense EvE is the PvE game not WoW. Then there is the skill factor. In WoW PvP most people choose identical gear (the arena sets). The winning comes from player skill. In Eve the combat is simply point and click. The one with the better ship or correct fitting wins 99% of the time. You cant take advantage of your opponents mistakes because the computer controls the combat and computers dont make mistakes. At least in the battle grounds settings you get to test your skill. 5v5 is a fair matchup. Eve PvP is rarely so balanced. Almost all the fights are one sided. The modules will recover wont pay for the cost of the ships you lose in an equal fight. One often hears of why its so good to make the other player lose hours worth of ISK farming in Eve. The downside being the infrequency of PvP encounters. Its a sort of griefing mentality, they get a thrill from having cost the other guy. Others quote the gambling aspect. They like to put everything on the line like a man betting his house on the result of horse race. Personaly neither of these things appeal to me. I am interested in testing my skill against the other guy. What is missing from WoW PvP is the sense of permanence. After 100 arena fights you have not altered the world in any way. I would like to see the PvP mean something, would also like longer fights since in WoW PvP you can die in 3 secs before you get a chance to use your moves.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.03 19:42:00 - [95] Originally by: Red Dot'Clicking There are the casual wow players and the hardcore guilds. <stuff> Based on what my Woff friends tell me I cant but wonder if you are playing the same game. The people I mostly talk with are in guilds that are grinding the lev 70 endgame instances, they have scedualed raids atleast 3 times a week and need to grind together all the stuff they need for thise raids themselves between the raids. They play 20-30hrs a week and are all considered casual players (!!!) To eleviate the grind Blizzard have aparently created a set of lev 70 cash quest runs you can do so that you dont have to do as much grinding(???). Most of the new bosses seem to have a quirk nowadays, fighting the boss seems not to be enough and now it seems a number of players have to perform a completely illogical task or the fight will be lost, I hear about 10 people having to rub/poke/whatever urns, mob target having to run in circles to avoid getting hit... To me it sounds like they have moved past actual fighting the boss and into more of myst puzzle solving to win the fights. "Pull the green lever when he reaches 90% or we will get splatted, at 80% you have to pull the red one and at 70% you have to pull the blue. Once he reaches 50% everyone will have to jump, emote 'billybob and his shotgun' and quack like a duck...' In all it just sounds silly. Additionally not many people playing the game seem to be figuring out how to kill a mob themselves but rather once they are to go upp against a boss reads upp on the boss, looks at the vids with terrible music and then mimics as best as they can what others have done ahead of them. True I would not be able to join a high level raid team with a borrowed/bought char and be on par with the people who have played it 100 times on my first go but lets be honest, after you know what to do and have done it 2-3 times... well after that its not training, its grind. In EvE atleast there are many many things to do apart from PvP and running missions (basically what an instance is), and its thise extra things you can do that has kept me in EvE as long as I have been while at the same time my 2 attempts at playing Woff have ended in under a month both times. Diversity is EvE's strength and Woff's weakness.
Red Dot'Clicking	Posted - 2007.11.03 20:15:00 - [96] Quote: In EvE atleast there are many many things to do apart from PvP and running missions (basically what an instance is), and its thise extra things you can do that has kept me in EvE as long as I have been while at the same time my 2 attempts at playing Woff have ended in under a month both times. So what are these non pvp things? Ratting - ISK grind Missions - Rep grind/ISK grind Mining/Hauling - ISK grind Trading - ISK grind Why all the ISK grinding. Its there to support your pvp activities. If the ore from mining couldnt be sold every single miner would stop. Not one of them is doing it for its own sake they do it for profit. Same with the reason people go ratting, the rats are no challenge, they are being farmed for ISK.All the ISK grinding is denying you the PvP you want. Its a way to slow everything down. All your activities within an alliance are part of somebody elses game. There are many players that like controling empires. The miner out getting the ore is simply a worker ant and the fighters are soldier ants. The guy running the empire is having fun like a general moving his armies on a board. Why all the grinding to get stuff. If I want a titan I have to mine endlessly, build shipyards etc to make it. All PvE stuff. Why cant I go capture an NPC titan and board it. That puts the fighters on an equal footing to the producers. Why do pirates have to blow up your ship instead of boarding and capturing it. The pirates are not interested in setting up a production base. It would give the pirates access to a source of ships without having to do the PvE thing. Its only in the minds of few people that EVE is a PvP game simply because it has some PvP. The bulk of a players time is spent doing things other than PvP. The best PvP in WoW was back with the old Alterac Valley BG. You could fight for hours before capturing one of their graveyards. But once you had it the opposition has a setback and would be pushed back to the next graveyard. You could use the NPC's to your advantage like the terrain. You could even trigger special NPC units at key moments in the battle to turn its course. I admit it was mostly a frag fest with little organisation but it was pure pvp. More of that kind of thing please. Generals and soldiers, specialised units, terrain usage etc. The grinding has to go nobody likes it.
xS0u1zx Minmatar Capital Production Agency THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.11.03 20:16:00 - [97] You know I actually wasted the time to read this topic, why did I waste my time. That I do not really know myself. My opinion to be honest is simple, I love eve cause I have a life and work quite often, being able to learn things offline is freakin awesome. and helps quite a bit, then you got marketing, building things, take over systems, make friends, try over a billion different ideas, etc etc etc etc, plus anyone I don't care who you are, if you were flying a ship as big as a titan, you'd love the cinematics. I could go on forever. however WoW I don't like just simply because everyone likes it, I love being unique, I hate being like everyone else, otherwise I might just play it. each game has it's own strengths and weaknesses. and seriously devs ban all posts comparing wow and eve, it's pointless and just causes unneeded frustration and compeditiveness. and plus I just wasted half an hour reading when I coulda been mining and making a ton of isk, see this is pointless. thanks for letting me waste my time :P P.S eve is better :P You don't know until it happends...when it does, I'll be sure to loot your wreck.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.03 21:02:00 - [98] Originally by: Red Dot'Clicking Quote: In EvE atleast there are many many things to do apart from PvP and running missions (basically what an instance is), and its thise extra things you can do that has kept me in EvE as long as I have been while at the same time my 2 attempts at playing Woff have ended in under a month both times. So what are these non pvp things? <stuff> From your post its plain to see that you are a PvP fanboy. Nomatter what I told you you would come back stating its only an isk grind as your post sugests that you can only see one part of this game. PvP IS the game. Anything else is simply a meens to pay for PvP. Personally I do not mine, I do not find it amusing to do that but I know people who do, they genuinelly do enjoy mining. It is true that they mine for a reason, usually its to fund a better ship, better modules or to pay for a POS, its fuel or whatnot but they actually enjoy the act of mining (boggles my mind too). True, if they could not sell the ore/minerals then they would stop but then would you keep PvPing if you could not destroy your target? My point about EvE having many things to do does not meen many are not isk gathering methods, playing the market can be very rewarding both in isk and in enjoyment, its even a form of PvP but nither the isk gathering aspects nor the PvP aspect has to be the main reason for why people do it. The point I was making was that where Woff has very few ways you can reinvent yourself EvE has many. Lets use me as an example, I hold multiple T2 BPO's, I have billions in my wallet and probably ten times my wallet invested in items. If you would see my assets you would probably say that I have done very well for myself. I have however never done much PvP, not with my main, not with any of my alts. Thus your claim "Why all the ISK grinding"? "Its there to support your pvp activities." is actually false in my case and in a vast number of players with me. In reality I would expect that people who play the game mainly to PvP are very much outnumbered. This game, just as Woff is, is about having fun, using your free real life time in an amusing way. Playing EvE I have managed this for a few years now and while there have been upps and downs in my enjoyment I have yet seen no reason to stop. Playing World of warcraft however I got mindnumingly boored in under a month and quit, a long while later I let my woff friends talk me into trying it again and again it was amusing to start with but in a few days the tedium started to kick in and in under two weeks I simply couldnt bother logging in again. My experience, my opinion. If you disagree then you disagree, I am not wrong because of that :)
Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.03 21:15:00 - [99] Originally by: Sul Condbax WoW is one of the best solo games i've played. Eve however, is a multiplayer game. This.
Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2007.11.03 21:52:00 - [100] I too have done the whole WOW thing and after playing eve it was just painfully boring. I hate the go to x to get x, the whole fantasy thing has been done to death and I thought EQ 1 was a shed load better in comparison. The best online games imho are eve as it has so much freaking depth and COH/COV as it's easy to gang up with peeps for mindless phun. The only downside with eve is the whiny forums and delusional elitest posters. Eve may be great, but you are not 10 reasons why it sucks 10 - unoriginal 9 - horrible gfx 8 - tedious 7 - adds nothing new to the genre 6 - lack of depth 5 - teaches you nothing of real life importance 4 - expansions you have to pay for 3 - repetitive 2 - makes other game developers delusional that the only mmorpg worth making is yet another freaking fantasy game 1 - Sucks monkeys.
Red Dot'Clicking	Posted - 2007.11.03 22:47:00 - [101] Quote: I too have done the whole WOW thing and after playing eve it was just painfully boring. I hate the go to x to get x, the whole fantasy thing has been done to death and I thought EQ 1 was a shed load better in comparison. I enjoyed EQ1 much more than WoW tbh. It still had its quests of go kill 10 small rats, now go kill 10 medium rats though. But I feel the class abilities were greater allowing for more mechanics and solutions in the end game raiding phase. Hated the grouping though, since you could only realy xp grind at a good rate with a group and that meant killing the same mobs 1000 times over and over in the same spots. There was also the competition element too. You needed spotters out to get to the mobs first after they popped and then race to get enough people there first to take him down. But since EQ1 was the biggest game around at the time its not suprising WoW copied it. They were always on the forums asking what us EQ1 players wanted. So we get a copy of EQ1. Quote: 10 reasons why it sucks 10 - unoriginal 9 - horrible gfx 8 - tedious 7 - adds nothing new to the genre 6 - lack of depth 5 - teaches you nothing of real life importance 4 - expansions you have to pay for 3 - repetitive 2 - makes other game developers delusional that the only mmorpg worth making is yet another freaking fantasy game 1 - Sucks monkeys. 10. Unoriginal. Eve is an online version of Elite. The devs have said as much. The developers of Elite regard Eve as a reimplentation rather than an advance. 9) Horrible graphics. - Pretty space scences ripped off of Homeworld. Add some samll red crosses like a 70's wire frame game. Put in some clumsy click, and drag right into sub menus, for actions. 8) Tedious. - Click mining laser watch TV for 10 mins, jet can, repeat ad nauseum. Put on the same resists you did last time repeat the same moves you did laast time finish mission. 7) Adds nothing to the genre. - See point 1. 6) Lack of depth. - Group up, make some ISK, build some ships, build some POS. Make some more ISK, build bigger ships, build more POS, try to recruit some more worker ants to support your empire. 5)Teachs you nothing of RL importance. - Such as leading a group of players, the politics the interactions the analysis etc. I have learned from EVE that its ok to kill someone for their wallet so long as a policeman isnt around. That the big and powerful man should be able to beat up the small and weak because he can etc. 4) Expansions you have to pay for. I am happy to pay for content. I would pay more if only i could get more content. I regard it like buying a DVD movie but i get much longer entertainment time. You get what you pay for (see point 5) 3)repeat of point 8 2)Am also tired of the fantasy genre. Other devs want to make money though. If they see everyone going to watch sci-fi movies with them making the big bucks they will make a sci-fi too. Ultimately it doesnt matter if you sword hits for 100 dps or your laser gun hits for 100 dps. What we need in new game mechanics not different terms. 1) no comment
Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2007.11.03 23:12:00 - [102] Edited by: Terail Zoqial on 03/11/2007 23:13:18 Quote: 10. Unoriginal. Eve is an online version of Elite. The devs have said as much. The developers of Elite regard Eve as a reimplentation rather than an advance. Hmmm, only to an extent. Granted, it's in space and space stuff happens, but i'd say eve is quite different to elite when it actually come to playing the games. Also it's one of the most unique MMO's. I do see where you're comming from on that though. Quote: 9) Horrible graphics. - Pretty space scences ripped off of Homeworld. Add some samll red crosses like a 70's wire frame game. Put in some clumsy click, and drag right into sub menus, for actions. Trinity Quote: 8) Tedious. - Click mining laser watch TV for 10 mins, jet can, repeat ad nauseum. Put on the same resists you did last time repeat the same moves you did last time finish mission. Mining is dull, but there are so many other aspect of the game to get involved with when you tire with another. MMO's are renowned for being terrible time sinks and no matter how good a game is, at some point it will become tiresome. I would try and make a point on the variety of things to do, but it's too easy to say "aaah, you have to wait minutes for action though Quote: 7) Adds nothing to the genre. - See point 1. Time sinks? Quote: 6) Lack of depth. - Group up, make some ISK, build some ships, build some POS. Make some more ISK, build bigger ships, build more POS, try to recruit some more worker ants to support your empire. It's not just about power and isk. There's a massive back story, you actions can actually make a difference and there's a shed load of things to do (once you train up for some of them). Quote: 5)Teaches you nothing of RL importance. - Such as leading a group of players, the politics the interactions the analysis etc. I have learned from EVE that its ok to kill someone for their wallet so long as a policeman isnt around. That the big and powerful man should be able to beat up the small and weak because he can etc. That was a poor point, still, it was a point (my winky emote has disappeared, hate it when that happens, it will probably pop up somewhere inappropriate) Quote: 4) Expansions you have to pay for. I am happy to pay for content. I would pay more if only i could get more content. I regard it like buying a DVD movie but i get much longer entertainment time. You get what you pay for (see point 5) Ahhh, you see point 5 is a cop out, or my brain refuses to see the thingy....word eludes me Quote: 3)repeat of point 8 Yeah, I was running out of ideas Quote: 2)Am also tired of the fantasy genre. Other devs want to make money though. If they see everyone going to watch sci-fi movies with them making the big bucks they will make a sci-fi too. Ultimately it doesnt matter if you sword hits for 100 dps or your laser gun hits for 100 dps. What we need in new game mechanics not different terms. Agreed Quote: 1) no comment
Red Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.03 23:14:00 - [103] Originally by: Red Dot'Clicking 10. Unoriginal. Eve is an online version of Elite. The devs have said as much. The developers of Elite regard Eve as a reimplentation rather than an advance. Elite is the best spacegame i ever played. Saying EVE is an reimplementation is an honour badge for me although Elite was only a solo game. Originally by: Red Dot'Clicking 5)Teachs you nothing of RL importance. - Such as leading a group of players, the politics the interactions the analysis etc. I have learned from EVE that its ok to kill someone for their wallet so long as a policeman isnt around. That the big and powerful man should be able to beat up the small and weak because he can etc. Well its just like in RL as long as you dont get caught anything goes. The only limits really applying are those social rules you grew up with and which you still decide to follow. Originally by: Red Dot'Clicking 4) Expansions you have to pay for. I am happy to pay for content. I would pay more if only i could get more content. I regard it like buying a DVD movie but i get much longer entertainment time. You get what you pay for (see point 5) Right but online gaming is a hobby already expensiv enough dont you think. I really dont mind WoW or the people playing it as long as they dont want to turn the gameplay/mechanics of EVE into a copy of it.

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