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Shakuul Caldari O RLY corp YTMND.	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:01:00 - [61] Most people here trash WoW but have probably never played (ie reached lvl 60/70 - whatever the cap was at the time - high end raid content). WoW is much more twitchy (ie you have to micromanage your weapons). EVE there is basically no twitch (you turn mods on and they continue firing until ammo is gone). I really think all of the hatred towards WoW is largely unjustified. The "EVE has more brainpower" thing is mostly EVE players being smug/elitist. Maybe if you're a trader in EVE its harder than being a trader in WoW, but I think you can still manipulate item prices in WoW. I know plenty of intelligent people who played (and became addicted to WoW).
Red Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:11:00 - [62] Edited by: Red Harvest on 03/11/2007 00:12:50 WoW is just a more shiny version of Everquest or UO for me which is pretty much enough to say. What i really love about EVE is the need to adapt which is tbh what makes EVE players different from WoW players. PS: WoW is still leagues above Knights Online and idiots playing there.
Private Snowball	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:23:00 - [63] Originally by: Anwylyd Al'Vos Originally by: xebian Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so? so why all the wow haters? 1- too easy (maxed a toon in 5 weeks) 2- no skill involved (bought me some gold and got 1337) 3- boring (beat end game stuff once and its all been done) 4- cartoon (cheese looks, EQ2 much prettier) 5- juvenile player base 6- juvenile player base 7- juvenile player base 8- juvenile player base 9- juvenile player base 10- and last but not least... juvenile player base (eve attracts more mentally mature players -save for the goon/bob situation- and requires thought, tactics, and real world like options for excelling)
Prim Galactic Defence Consortium Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:23:00 - [64] Edited by: Prim on 03/11/2007 00:23:52 1- too easy (maxed a toon in 5 weeks) 2- no skill involved (bought me some gold and got 1337) 3- boring (beat end game stuff once and its all been done) 4- cartoon (cheese looks, EQ2 much prettier) 5- juvenile player base 6- juvenile player base 7- juvenile player base 8- juvenile player base 9- juvenile player base 10- and last but not least... juvenile player base (eve attracts more mentally mature players -save for the goon/bob situation- and requires thought, tactics, and real world like options for excelling) I would first like to stat that i have played wow since release and am not ashamed to admit it. 1. I can agree it doesnt take much to get to level 70 in this case 2. You couldnt be more wrong.. example you get a lvl 70 what ever class you want with all the best endgame gear and I will beat you with a lvl 70 in all Greens. Compare that to eve. Lets say im a complete new guy here and have been playing for a couple weeks. I have basic knoledge about combat.. you give me a faction fitted HAC "this would be the level 70 with best endgame gear" and you get the T1 varient with just named modules.. as your the player in this example that has been playing since 2003.. their is no way if your both fitted wtih same range weapons that you will kill me it just wont happen.. In wow the (i bought me some good and got l337) character will get @#$% rolled by some old timer in greens) The rest i pretty much agree with you 100% on except #10.. WoW does take skill.. but unlike eve if you are a skilled player and get jumped buy 5 or 6 other players if you play your cards right in wow you will have a MUCH higher chance of winning than in eve.. This post is not a bash of eve because i absolutly love it.. and got sick of wow and came here.. I have for the most part kept my mouth shut and will not reply to any more of eve vs wow threads because 1 i really dont care, 2. the games are NOTHING alike its like comparing a VW bug to a lambo. and finally i dont really care if anyone flames me for posting this.. and no i didnt take every little tiny factor of both games when I wrote this. I do care however when people like you write a post about a certin game flaming that game when you have no @#$@@#$% clue what your talking about. 400x120@24000 bytes Maximum please. Mail [email protected] for more information. - Acario Vito
Jack Target Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:24:00 - [65] I got to level 56, and realised WoW has a finite life: it will come to an end at some point because it can be upgraded in limited ways only. Then I looked at the time I had spent on the game, and I felt I had wasted my time - There was no reason to get to know another player, and eventually the game would end anyway. Eve Online could go on for ever.
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:59:00 - [66] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 02/11/2007 16:37:17 There's only 1 real reason, but it's a good one. Way too many people "not nessissarily all, but many" come to EVE expecting it to be WoW-like. Then come to the forums to whine when they get PWNT by someone more experienced. Day-in Day-out, Day-in Day-out. Basically WoW breeds stupid in EVE. Wouldn't you begin to hate them too after a while? Same thing with Guild Wars. People came to GW expecting it to be WoW with no monthly fee. The only problem is that the makers of GW caved in and started turning GW into a more WoW-like game. It used to be unique, but all most people knew about it was that it was just an MMO with no monthly fee and that's what it's turning into. I blame WoW. I don't want that to happen in Eve, so when I see people wanting it to be more like WoW, it bugs the hell out of me. At least CCP seems to remain true to their vision.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.11.03 02:09:00 - [67] WoW has no lag. WoW is fun. No need to say more. EVE used to be fun, but most posters here don't know what EVE was like before POSes. EVE looks like a job now, it's the slowest game ever marketed and it's sad because it has more depth than any game available. If CCP could develop EVE II taking the good and trashing the ugly, THEN we would have a killer game. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.11.03 02:16:00 - [68] Originally by: Oron Edited by: Oron on 02/11/2007 16:51:15 WoW had a degenerating effect on the MMORPG community. Before WoW we where relative few ppl, we had our fair shares of jerks, but it was generaly a very nice place to be. WoW flooded the MMORPG community with more ppl then we could assimilate. PPl who had no clue about our social conduct, ppl who where in general far younger than we are, ppl who where real noobs - MMORPG first-timers. Naturaly they missbehaved in many, many aspects of the social life in a MMORPG. Just think about all the need-before-greed rand on the early WoW boards and the running "Its for Hunters!" gag to get a very small clue. Because the first MMORPG you ever play somehow fix your expectations (nothing ever can beat the first few levels on your first character - everything looks shiny and magical) those massive ammount of ppl has and will continue to have a hugh, overhelming impact on the development of new games. Try go to one of the Beta Forums today and ask about Permadeath or other Hardcore challenges - you get just wtfpwned. (well you you got pwned at all times - but the wtf makes the different). I dont hate WoW because it is a bad game - in fact it is well done in many factors, and enjoyable to play for some levels (tho it get boring really fast if you play MMORPGs since UO like me). I do hate WoW because it - in my eyes - ruined the community wich was my virtual home. This is close to reality for a lot of us. I played Asheron's Call forever way back when... it's what... 7 years old now? People were much more pleasant to deal with. Every player was some kind of geek or nerd and although there were always a few *******s you never had to worry about someone with a level 8 million character camping a level 2 critter spawn just to annoy the newbs that needed the kill. WoW has lowered the bar and opened the market, which in some ways is great... if only there were some kind of social skills test before you were licenced to use the interwebz ;) ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
FuzzBuzz Caldari North Face Force	Posted - 2007.11.03 02:56:00 - [69] people who say they think there time playing a game was a waste are stupid. why play a game if what you do will be pointless? playing eve will become pointless once the next good game comes out. sitting around for hours, in a ship lagged out in 0.0 shooting ** you don't know if its still alive just to say i participated in taking x from a game is pointless. play the game for fun, and nothing else, as what you do in games is gone once you stop playing. It amuses me when people say eve has a higher age group that plays the game, but it is this age group that posts in COAD. This game is becoming boring, all i want to do is shoot ** but not spend hours finding it. I can see why 6 million peeps play WoW, maybe they like instant fun. Eve has become a hunt for fun game. Spending a few hours searching for a fight, then you get one, kill a stupid mofo, and a blob comes to chase couple of ships. This is EvE, and yet you guys complain about wow. Look at EvE and ask your self... is most of my time spent having fun than chasing for fun. end of rant, me is drunk, had a crap night out REAL CRAP and come on here to hear whining people who think this game is Superior. just because... Man i wish planetside wasnt dead, that game was more fun and took more skill. ----- In this game, what becomes popular becomes overpowered, what becomes overpowered gets nerfed. NEXT! endless cycle.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.03 03:00:00 - [70] Wrong forum and who cares _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Yugami Constible	Posted - 2007.11.03 03:02:00 - [71] Been playing MMORPG's since UO's Launch too now and I have a open account right now with World of Warcraft and EVE Online. What you need too understand is theirs a few types of players in the MMORPG world and they have never seen eye too eye. Theirs the Casual Players that have lives or so they claim and can only log on for a few hours here and their and theirs Raiders, Players that believe all good loot should come from a huge large group effort or the ammount of time you put in. Theirs PK's and "CareBears" or people that dont care too pvp alot. Player Killers love the ability too fight other players anytime anywere and too destroy your day if they can, they resent the Players that dont care for this lifestyle or risk and vise versa. While WoW and EVE are the same in that they both offer Casual content Agents, Missions, Mining, Quest's, Small and Large Instances. They are also very different also, While they both have things for both sides World of Warcraft is in the end geared more towards the casual carebear player with PvP second. EVE Online takes the opposite approach with some casual content but the best left for the PK's out in 0.0 with the ability too destroy hundreds of millions of Isk (And real time the Player had too waste getting said isk). This appeals too many PvP types sense of risk vs rewards. When a Wow player comes too EVE freak out when they lose a months worth of Isk in a single Boom, and quickly lose intrest. EVE Players tend too get fustrated with Wow as they see no risk or point in Wow's PvP. My 2 cents P.S. However the casual players usually outnumber the PvP types in all these games and their numbers make or break many games so hence why theirs almost no pure PvP games out their. Thanks
Val Vympel	Posted - 2007.11.03 05:47:00 - [72] I am a former WoW player.(1 year) And what I discovered about WoW in that time was... WoW is simply not a viable game for the average/casual player. WoW is a time sink of EPIC proportions. At a certain point you begin to realize that you can accomplish almost nothing without belonging to a raiding guild(and hope that you can get some drops)or you have 16 hours a day to play the game. I,like many have a career,family etc... WoW is simply to time consuming. Val
Taran Summers The Merovingians	Posted - 2007.11.03 06:01:00 - [73] I play both. When an expansion comes out I take a break from EVE and play through all the quests and such and enjoy my fantasy vacation. And once I hit max level and finish all the non-raid content, I come back here and keep on mission running and mining and such, usually with a couple of 30 day skills done while I was off playing WoW. One's cake, the other's pie, both are good in their own way and you get tired of one or the other if its all you ever get, so I alternate. I check out the Beta's of other games, and someday, if something I like comes along, either WoW will get replaced if its fantasy, or EVE will get replaced if its a good spaceship pew pew. And as for turning EVE into WoW. The only change I'd like to see is the ability to skill up more than one character slot, having to pay for two accounts to skill up two characters that I never play at the same time is an idiotic money sink that's far worse than making me buy an expansion once a year. I'd rather dump the $50 once a year vs the $180 it takes to keep that second account leveling for my industrialist.
Jack Target Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.03 06:40:00 - [74] Edited by: Jack Target on 03/11/2007 06:43:06 Originally by: FuzzBuzz people who say they think there time playing a game was a waste are stupid. why play a game if what you do will be pointless? playing eve will become pointless once the next good game comes out. sitting around for hours, in a ship lagged out in 0.0 shooting ** you don't know if its still alive just to say i participated in taking x from a game is pointless. play the game for fun, and nothing else, as what you do in games is gone once you stop playing. It amuses me when people say eve has a higher age group that plays the game, but it is this age group that posts in COAD. This game is becoming boring, all i want to do is shoot ** but not spend hours finding it. I can see why 6 million peeps play WoW, maybe they like instant fun. Eve has become a hunt for fun game. Spending a few hours searching for a fight, then you get one, kill a stupid mofo, and a blob comes to chase couple of ships. This is EvE, and yet you guys complain about wow. Look at EvE and ask your self... is most of my time spent having fun than chasing for fun. end of rant, me is drunk, had a crap night out REAL CRAP and come on here to hear whining people who think this game is Superior. just because... Man i wish planetside wasnt dead, that game was more fun and took more skill. I did enjoy playing WoW. Nevertheless, player effort goes into a game if you want to play it well. Eve is unique because its life span is indefinite - it's a bit like playing tennis or football - Throughout my life I can build on my game. I don't think Eve will be as easily superceded (or superseded) as other computer games. This is because the developers overhaul regularly in a more thorough way. For example, no other game will have ongoing additions such as the ambulation program. I researched Eve Online before I started to play it.
Davlos Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.03 07:52:00 - [75] I'm a WoW refugee after having played it for two years. Hit 60, grinded and grinded raid instances, got all that Tier 3 loot and that bull****. Quite the carebear I was. Looks like I made it, huh? ;) Irregardless, WoW was fun while it lasted, but it simply can't last forever. I already did everything that could've been done, and I was sat around bored in the cities showing off my glittery stuff to the noobs. Boring. I go back to it every few months, however. I play EVE too much, sometimes to the point of burning out on it. Then I go back to say hi to the old friends I made over the course of two years. Not for the game. I think people tend to forget that the people you play with in a MMORPG makes the game, not always the game itself. ---------------
Kofgod	Posted - 2007.11.03 07:58:00 - [76] Bring Back AC2
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.03 08:10:00 - [77] I dont hate woff, I just found it dull as compared to EvE, no market to speak of, no PvP content, a constant grind to get big unwieldy and ugly "extremely rare" items that everyone has. In short a grind of booredoom. Thus I dont play it. I have many friends who do and judging from what they talk about when talking about woff I dont really understand why they play it ither. They however do, I dont and that is that. Its actually sad that I got into EvE as early as I did, if I had not I would most probably have been able to play and have fun playing such games as Anarchy online, Linnage, Guildwars, World of warcraft, City of heroes/villains... At present I am waiting for Warhammer Online to try out, I very much doubt it will be good enough for me to quit EvE but if Im lucky they have managed to get the world right and thus may be a rivaling MMO that I dont tire of in a month.
Boomx	Posted - 2007.11.03 09:43:00 - [78] A huge ammount of wow players might be wearing diapers but for the love of god, what is the matter with the some of the eve population? They seldom cannot do a single post without crying go back to wow, go play kitty, you are a complete moron and other various other attacks on the op. Saying wow takes the skill of a moron, sure buy a lvl 70 and go play a instance and see how good you do. Sure you can max out your character in one to two weeks without problems. I bet the wow boards say you dont even need to play the game to advance in Eve, buy isk and lookup a ship config and go out and kill people. In my opinion people could be a wee bit more forgiving, open minded and not judge people so damn fast. Sorry I did not give you 10... whoho a bike! /Hug
John Monaghan	Posted - 2007.11.03 09:47:00 - [79] Maybe the real reason for the ire is because EVE and WoW have at least one too many things in common. If they were completely different, it'd be harder to care.
Bonny Lee Caldari Trinitas Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.03 10:56:00 - [80] Mhh i dont hate WoW but i hate all the devs for making damn clones of the game. Arent they able to build their own game or a least take UO for their inspiration. With every WOW-Clone on more grinding game with no endgame is born.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 11:38:00 - [81] Originally by: Val Vympel I am a former WoW player.(1 year) And what I discovered about WoW in that time was... WoW is simply not a viable game for the average/casual player. WoW is a time sink of EPIC proportions. At a certain point you begin to realize that you can accomplish almost nothing without belonging to a raiding guild(and hope that you can get some drops)or you have 16 hours a day to play the game. I,like many have a career,family etc... WoW is simply to time consuming. Val I had the self same experience. If you left wow for a few days then your corp mates were miles ahead and you had to grind like a looney to catch up. While the pvp and risk was non-existentent I still enjoyed playing for a while. wow does have a good sense of 'place', each area was unique, and returning to the 'newby' area envoked an odd sense of nostalgia. I cant even recall where I started in Eve. I occasionaly look at the wow site, and think 'I could go back...' but I dont think I ever will. C. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
Saraith Narr Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2007.11.03 11:45:00 - [82] Quote: I occasionaly look at the wow site, and think 'I could go back...' but I dont think I ever will. I hear you on that one, I'm always thinking "if theres a new server...maybe..."... But 1-80...no thanks!
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.11.03 11:49:00 - [83] Originally by: xebian Ok so why is it that most people on here hate wow? please can enyone give 10 good reasons why to hate wow i mean its a decent game in its self well i think so? so why all the wow haters? 1, Its rubbish. 2, The chars are childish cartoon chars. 3, The game play is awful. 4, The pvp is awful. 5, The pve is awful, repetative and linear. 6, Most of the players are immature and just bothered about Pwnage and crap workds like that. 7, Its rubbish, 8, The skill system is crap, you can reach the top level available in 2 days. 9, The economay is a joke, most servers economy are ran by 2-3 gold sellers. 10, Its rubbish.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.11.03 11:51:00 - [84] Also about 50% of the idiots that play buy gold, not realising that some poor sod has to get hacked for them to get their gold. Theres just too many losers and idiots knocking about in crappy azeroth.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:02:00 - [85] Originally by: Benco97 I will not play World of Warcraft, I find it boring and flat. I also watched it ruin 3 lives over the course of several months. Four of my friends were avid players, they got great enjoyment from playing WoW and that is a good thing. One of them got bored after a while and stopped playing but the other three still played it, the problem was that one player had been a sort of "regulator" in how much they played and without him they would play all night and then miss work. After a few weeks of this constant play all of them had lost their jobs, all they did was play WoW. I never see those three people anymore because they don't go out, they don't do anything. All on the dole. If they are awake they are playing WoW. Admittedly there are stories like this for all games but that is MY reason for not liking the game, it lost me three friends and I don't even play the bloody thing. lol Loosing your job isnt ruining your life dipstick. Some people like me refuse to work ever, Having a regular job would ruin my life.
Anacrit Mc'Sinister	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:02:00 - [86] why 10? are you afrade of 3 good reasons? well, lets try our best. 1. wow has no consequence. you can run around wallowing in your own stupidity and you will not loose anything. in eve you can make a bad choise and loose everything you own after 10 month of playing on the gate. 2. developers if WOW just keep giving players everything they moan for. and again and agina. races get revamped every few month. you can now get up to lvl 60 in 1 day so that you can be with your friends faster. etc. 3. teh abouve 2 trason make wow a very atractive game for little kids and who just whatn to run around and swear inneptly in verios languiges. AND THANK GOD FOR THAT becouse it keeps those little t*ts away form EVE....mostly and now we also need to look as to why we like eve so much! vs wow. 3. you dont dont have to grined 24/7 to lvl up. so if you have a job/ lectures you go to. or anything elce....well you can live with it. 2. eve is smart, complex, diverce. wow is streamlined and limited with no real choice in what you are going to do with yourself. 1 . wow servet suports around 1000 players before you have to wait for an houre to log in. and eve then its just 1000pips vs eves entire population. and finaly...pay 24ú for a game, and then 24ú, expantion pack, and then an other one...and then monthsly subscrioption. its simply too much and unfear.
Val Vympel	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:05:00 - [87] Originally by: Fester Addams Its actually sad that I got into EvE as early as I did, if I had not I would most probably have been able to play and have fun playing such games as Anarchy online, Linnage, Guildwars, World of warcraft, City of heroes/villain I can't speak for any of the games you have listed here save WoW and City of Heroes(CoH). Of course I can't speak for you and your tastes but please don't be sad that you missed this game(CoH). I played CoH for a year prior to my WoW experience and I can tell you it was a "grind-a-thon" of EPIC proportions. Here are the positives and negatives of CoH. Positives 1.Well rendered(the colors and graphics were very good). 2.Interface(simple and easy to use). 3.Character creation(very detailed and fun). 4.Character advancement(linear and level based but not cookie cutter there were many options on how you could emphasize your abilities). Negatives 1.Grind,grind and more grind,(Did I mention the grind)I really thought I was hallucinating sometimes. 2.ZERO economy(This aspect if there was one would have gotten in the way of the primary purpose of the game=GRINDING). 3.Dancing emotes Need I say more? 4.Dev Team(They were always robbing Peter to pay Paul). In short,they wielded the nerf bat often and with complete and utter callous impunity).I read many threads here bashing CCP for caving in to the whiners...try CoH if you really want a dev team that caves to whiners. There are more positves and negatives than this,these are the major ones. Just my opinion.... Val
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:07:00 - [88] The wow hate in this forum sometimes go a bit too far. Wow is a pretty good game, though its very different from EVE. Most mmo's are benefiting from wow as they got a lot of people to try a mmo for the first time. However wow's presence is getting too powerful. Dev's cant ignore its success and players are whining about getting wow-like features in other games. Its very annoying for those that play EVE because its EVE to constantly read suggestions for making EVE into wow in space.
Armoured C Gallente Deviance Inc DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:20:00 - [89] Originally by: Sorja WoW has no lag. WoW is fun. No need to say more. EVE used to be fun, but most posters here don't know what EVE was like before POSes. EVE looks like a job now, it's the slowest game ever marketed and it's sad because it has more depth than any game available. If CCP could develop EVE II taking the good and trashing the ugly, THEN we would have a killer game.
heheheh The Scope	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:28:00 - [90] Originally by: Sorja WoW has no lag. WoW is fun. No need to say more. haha This gave me a good laugh. WoW has no lag ? wrong, 50% of the servers are very laggy and if u even tried a 200 vs 200 fight like in eve the server WOULD crash. WoW is fun for the first few months, eventually youve killed all PVE bosses and the only thing left to do is kill them again and again, This is not fun.

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