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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.05 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sangxianc Edited by: Sangxianc on 04/11/2007 22:43:33 Try-mark. I can't think of any words in English where you'd say tri at the beginning of a word as tree other than trio. Of course I might be missing some but it seems like trio (and any other example I may have missed) is a special case.
But if there was such a word, you could have it engraved on a little silver disk and wear it as a trinket.
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Myra2007
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Posted - 2007.11.05 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Myra2007 on 05/11/2007 14:24:52
Originally by: Akita T
Even German is slightly better as English, and German is quite horrible too.
You dissing my language?  But seriously German is highly accurate, well structured and has a (though very technical) beauty of its own. Some people just cannot comprehend that which is indeed a pity.
Edit: On the topic: For me its also "trymark" and "kwave". 
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Leya Marcsson
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Posted - 2007.11.05 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Leya Marcsson on 05/11/2007 14:32:13
Originally by: Rooker You're doing it wrong. It is widely known that to receive your internet "cool points" for bashing Americans with ignorant, childish insults you have to work Bush into it somehow.
Americans calling someone ignorant, are always funny. Somehow alike to Stalin calling Roosevelt a communist. Why? Cause, at least your post is ignorant in it self, and even more funny: You (if you are a american) ignore your own heritage.
In fact, it is widely know that North-Americans can generaly not spell English very well, for that reason their English is called "American English", because its differ so mutch.
The reason for the evolution of the English language in North-America is pirmaly because it has ist mixed up with many, many other languages: Native american languages, european languages (mainly german), asian languages, affrican languages, etc. etc.
It would be really supricing if North-Americans would still talk English after hundrets years of beeing influenced by those migrating (or displaced) cultures.
So, while bashing americans IS really cool, quite funny and in my opinion exactly what they deserve - Alyth just told you the truth, this time.
Have a nice day :)
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Karma
Gallente Mos Eisley Consortium
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Posted - 2007.11.05 14:34:00 -
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it's pronounced Trim-Arch. as in the opposite of pudgy arch.
can we now please move on as a community? _________________ "No Worries" Karma, fool on the hull. |

VJ Maverick
Caldari Maverick Specialized Services
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Posted - 2007.11.05 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: VJ Maverick on 05/11/2007 14:48:04
Originally by: Leya Marcsson Edited by: Leya Marcsson on 05/11/2007 03:45:36
Originally by: VJ Maverick As a "prefix" to another stand-alone word, the term "tri" is always pronounced "try". Trilogy, is pronounced Tri-logy because in "trilogy", "tri" is NOT a prefix but rather an integral part of the word.
"Tri" in "Trilogy" is ofcourse a prefix.
The direct translation is tri = 3 and logy <= logie <= logia = act, creation. So a Trilogy is a work with 3 parts. "Pentalogy" and "Tetralogy" are also quite common. You see the picture? :)
Ever hear someone use the word "logy" by itself? Logy is not a stand-alone word in the English language. It is HALF a word. That is why every dictionary definition lists it as "-logy", with the hyphen denoting that something MUST precede it. Thus, when "tri" is used to with another stand alone word, it is always pronounced "TRY." And when it's added to half a word such as "-logy", that rule does not apply. My point is not about whether the word tri meets the technical definiton of a prefix. It is about the correct way to pronounce TRIMARK. Get the picture?
Originally by: Bodhisattvas
by the way you keep on missing the "a" from pwn, do you need any help with its pl
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Dan Grobag
Caldari Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2007.11.05 15:00:00 -
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I would pronounce trimark as I would pronounce triphase, wich mean for me, like "tree". How would you pronounce this one ?
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VJ Maverick
Caldari Maverick Specialized Services
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Posted - 2007.11.05 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dan Grobag I would pronounce trimark as I would pronounce triphase, wich mean for me, like "tree". How would you pronounce this one ?
Triphase is pronounced TRY - Faze. However, a related word "three-phase" is pronounced... well... three-phase.:)
Originally by: Bodhisattvas
by the way you keep on missing the "a" from pwn, do you need any help with its pl
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Occara
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Posted - 2007.11.05 15:53:00 -
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there really should not be any discussion on trimark.
the only words that tri is not pronounced try are either borrowed heavily from other languages (triage, which is originally from the greek tria which would have been tree-a then with a bizarre french -ge tacked on; trio, which is stolen from french), or words like trilogy which would just be awkward to say with try as the first syllable.
quafe on the other hand... there are many conflicts in how to pronounce it. generally a qua is a kwa sound. that -e throws things off a bit though. there are words like quake, but k is a hard consonant. the qu makes the a want to be an, ah sound, but the e makes it want to be an aye sound...
in all honesty, any pronounciation on quafe may be correct because it does not follow any real english word conventions. this suggests it wouldn't be english in origin, and your guess is as good as mine as to what language to use as its base.
i do pronounce it the same as quaff in my head though.
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The Snowman
Gallente Four Rings Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.05 16:15:00 -
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its most definatly Try-mark.
it comes from "triangle" which is also what the word trinity is based on, having three sides.
And as much as americans love to mis-pronounce things just to be different Triangle has never been pronounced Tree-angle..
and, lol.
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Mini Puce
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Posted - 2007.11.05 16:15:00 -
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And how to pronounce triumvirate ?
i guess its try-ooompph-virate
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.11.05 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mini Puce And how to pronounce triumvirate ?
i guess its try-ooompph-virate
No no, that's try-not amarr-virate 
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Corwain
Gallente Down In Flames
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Posted - 2007.11.05 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Leya Marcsson Americans calling someone ignorant, are always funny. Somehow alike to Stalin calling Roosevelt a communist. Why? Cause, at least your post is ignorant in it self, and even more funny: You (if you are a american) ignore your own heritage.
In fact, it is widely know that North-Americans can generaly not spell English very well, for that reason their English is called "American English", because its differ so mutch.
The reason for the evolution of the English language in North-America is pirmaly because it has ist mixed up with many, many other languages: Native american languages, european languages (mainly german), asian languages, affrican languages, etc. etc.
It would be really supricing if North-Americans would still talk English after hundrets years of beeing influenced by those migrating (or displaced) cultures.
So, while bashing americans IS really cool, quite funny and in my opinion exactly what they deserve - Alyth just told you the truth, this time.
Have a nice day :)
No, what is really funny is you misspelling every other word in your post while claiming that Americans can't spell. --
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Di Jiensai
Gallente Domination. League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.11.05 16:43:00 -
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i pronounce it \ˈmȯr\ \ˈSr-mər\.
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Topaz Skydiver
Minmatar Narrative Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.11.05 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Laura Steel I dont think there is a big need to pronounce the words perfectly, I kind of like hearing variation when talking to people. :)
Quafe - Kwayf to me ;)
Already enough variation, if people are reporting hostiles in certain ships on alliance TS. If you have maybe 10 different nationalities on teamspeak and some of them pronounce the stuff like if it was a word from their motherlanguage, then you sometimes need a translator. Player A: 'Hostile is in a huginn.' FC: 'Hmm. What ship is he flying ?' Player A: 'Huginn' Player B: 'What ?' Player A: 'Huginn' Player C: 'Can't understand it either.' Player D: 'He means huginn !' FC: 'Ah, ok' rest: lol
Not sure, if it was the huginn though, but people are quite creative with some ship names. --------------------------------------------- *snip* |

Laura Baretta
Minmatar Cult of the Skulls
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Posted - 2007.11.05 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Laura Baretta on 05/11/2007 17:31:45 Caracell incoming!
What I find most difficult in listening to english on TS and its various dialects (american english spoken by males easiest to understand, then american females, then Oxford english, then british slang being the most difficult to understand) is, that many letters have a different meaning in different words.
Chip or Chimaera
In german that is not the case. For example the only germans that would speak a ch as a k would be bavarians, and they are weird people anyway.
I heard people say Cara-Cell for Caracal wich would be pronounced karakal. Why can't english adopt the K as a more common starting letter for all its words that start with a hard K like Killer but are written with a C or CH... would make things easier alot allready ;P
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Red Eye .Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.05 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 05/11/2007 17:36:02
Originally by: Alyth
Originally by: Agetec Core Also, the same guy said that Quafe is pronouced K-uaf. Whereas I say it sounds like Kua-fee.
This is becasue Quafee seems to be a pardoy of Coffee. Quafe. Coffee. Get it?
It is widely known that Americans cannot spell or speak English correctly. As such I feel it is my duty as a native speaker of said language to correct your mistakes. Example. Coffee is neither spelled nor pronounced in any of the following manners. Kawfee, Kwafee or Kafee. It is in fact pronounced Cough-ee. As such Quafe (Kway-f) would never be a parody of such a fictional word.
Also it's Try-mark. You don't say tree-angle or tree-dent do you? Why would that be any different?
And it is widely known that British people can't manage to spell things the way they're actually pronounced. We fixed and modernized the language. You're welcome.
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Leya Marcsson
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Posted - 2007.11.05 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain No, what is really funny is you misspelling every other word in your post while claiming that Americans can't spell.
Yea :) I am used to be funny, and I am rusian, so english spells me.
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VJ Maverick
Caldari Maverick Specialized Services
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Posted - 2007.11.05 18:31:00 -
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I'm a Polak living in the US. According to local stereotypes, Polish people do everything backwards. So I guess the proper way to pronounce "trimark" would be maahk-try.
Originally by: Bodhisattvas
by the way you keep on missing the "a" from pwn, do you need any help with its pl
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Yadee
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Posted - 2007.11.05 22:40:00 -
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I found english an easy language to learn. We start leaning english in second grade here in norway, and by 5th grade'ish you speak it more or less fluently. English has a ton of synonyms though, ie big, huge, large, grand, vast, gargantuan, humongous, so its an ideal language for litterature (imo :) )
In my profession almost all the technical terms i use have specific english words, and their translations to norwegian are largely combined words or awkward sounding words
Originally by: ED 209
lol, owned in teh face
I didnt mean to own anyone, just correcting the discussion
Quote:
I am almost 100% certain that Mandarin has the highest number of native speakers.
I saw a list once of numbers of native speakers and it was something like
1. spanish 2. english 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. mandarin
iirc been several years ago though
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VJ Maverick
Caldari Maverick Specialized Services
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Posted - 2007.11.06 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: VJ Maverick on 06/11/2007 00:31:45
Originally by: Yadee
I saw a list once of numbers of native speakers and it was something like
1. spanish 2. english 3. ??? 4. Profit? 5. mandarin
iirc been several years ago though
Fixed.
Originally by: Bodhisattvas
by the way you keep on missing the "a" from pwn, do you need any help with its pl
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.11.06 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Leya Marcsson
Originally by: Corwain No, what is really funny is you misspelling every other word in your post while claiming that Americans can't spell.
Yea :) I am used to be funny, and I am rusian, so english spells me.
See, this is what I meant. Leya's original post had some mistakes but to me was perfectly understandable. Let's see Corwain write a post in Russian.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.11.06 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Maglorre
Originally by: Leya Marcsson
Originally by: Corwain No, what is really funny is you misspelling every other word in your post while claiming that Americans can't spell.
Yea :) I am used to be funny, and I am rusian, so english spells me.
See, this is what I meant. Leya's original post had some mistakes but to me was perfectly understandable. Let's see Corwain write a post in Russian.
He can't, its against the forum rules.
English is like democracy, its the worst, except for all the others. 
Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.11.06 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
He can't, its against the forum rules.
English is like democracy, its the worst, except for all the others. 
It doesn't have to be on this forum 
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr Capitalism Amuck
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Posted - 2007.11.06 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Leya Marcsson
Americans calling someone ignorant, are always funny. Somehow alike to Stalin calling Roosevelt a communist. Why? Cause, at least your post is ignorant in it self, and even more funny: You (if you are a american) ignore your own heritage. . . . So, while bashing americans IS really cool, quite funny and in my opinion exactly what they deserve - Alyth just told you the truth, this time.
Have a nice day :)
And saying things like this is why more hate is introduced to the world. Over generalizations undoubtedly leads to making some people mad. Do not preach to people if it is obviously occurring in your own actions. I am referring to the part where you imply it is funny when an American calls someone ignorant because all Americans are ignorant. Also to the part where outright bashing an entire group of people "is what they deserve" and is "funny." ---
Put in space whales!
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Rogue 2
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.06 05:07:00 -
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Wow. Four pages. Just... wow.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.06 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann Edited by: Kyra Felann on 05/11/2007 17:36:02
Originally by: Alyth
Originally by: Agetec Core Also, the same guy said that Quafe is pronouced K-uaf. Whereas I say it sounds like Kua-fee.
This is becasue Quafee seems to be a pardoy of Coffee. Quafe. Coffee. Get it?
It is widely known that Americans cannot spell or speak English correctly. As such I feel it is my duty as a native speaker of said language to correct your mistakes. Example. Coffee is neither spelled nor pronounced in any of the following manners. Kawfee, Kwafee or Kafee. It is in fact pronounced Cough-ee. As such Quafe (Kway-f) would never be a parody of such a fictional word.
Also it's Try-mark. You don't say tree-angle or tree-dent do you? Why would that be any different?
And it is widely known that British people can't manage to spell things the way they're actually pronounced. We fixed and modernized the language. You're welcome.
Nah. Both our countries have modernised over the centuries we just did it differently. It's also debateably whether either of us have 'fixed' the spelling. Given that we pronounce things differently it's unlikely that we'll ever agree :)
For instance I think that anywhere outside of North America the phrase "The girl mounted the bouy" could easily be misunderstood 
But the variety and flexibility of English is what gives it its strength. It'd be nice to have a rigidly defined language but it would be very hard to police across different cultures. The alternative is a language which can absorb and adapt to different cultures. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.06 09:10:00 -
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Gentlemen... forget about Trimarks and Caracals.
What I find most amusing on OPs is how different people intonate and pronounce system names, among those one of my favorites is Uemisaisen in Caldari space.
Hilarious.
With best regards, SentryRaven KIA Noobship Pilot
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Leya Marcsson
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Posted - 2007.11.06 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Leya Marcsson on 06/11/2007 10:03:54
Originally by: Lisento Slaven And saying things like this is why more hate is introduced to the world. Over generalizations undoubtedly leads to making some people mad.
True. I want to apologize to those north-americans who are not ignorant.
To explain why I still think the majority of north-americans are ignorant, is a difficult matter and blast the scope of this forum, but it have something to do with religion, culture and massmedia. In fact it's not a american only problem - ignorance is wide spread this days - and talking about it often leads to ignorance itself. To talk about it in a foreign language is espeacily hard, cause it is hard to express the finer subnotions - resulting in the appearence of a dumb over generalization.
Originally by: Andrue For instance I think that anywhere outside of North America the phrase "The girl mounted the bouy" could easily be misunderstood 
Easily :)What dos it really means?
Originally by: Maglorre See, this is what I meant. Leya's original post had some mistakes but to me was perfectly understandable. Let's see Corwain write a post in Russian.
Thank you .
Originally by: SentryRaven Gentlemen... forget about Trimarks and Caracals.
Ship names and System names are espeacily hard, cause many of them are words that are not part of the general everyday vocabulary.
What would be really cool to have a phonetic spelling in all Item Descriptions, so that we can teach ourself to pronounce the names correctly.
But I see that CCP went the old way to translate all the text's, which is'nt exaclty a good way in my opinion because it make it unposible to talk about items outside your own languages.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.06 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Leya Marcsson
Originally by: Andrue For instance I think that anywhere outside of North America the phrase "The girl mounted the bouy" could easily be misunderstood 
Easily :)What dos it really means?
As read it just implies a girl climbing onto a piece of marine equipment. Outside of North America, however, 'bouy' is pronounced to rhyme with 'toy'.
This why adventurous sea-faring young women rarely rush back to their parents after a day at the sea-side and say that they've been mounting bouys..or at least they only do it once  -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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Rogue 2
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.06 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Leya Marcsson
I want to apologize to those north-americans who are not ignorant.
You don't need to apologize for speaking the truth. THe majority of Americans (can't speak for Canadians) are ignorant, a fact we're reminded of daily by our leadership .
(And yes, religion has a lot to do with it)
PS Leya, your English is better than many Americans'. Good job.
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