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Gamer Maximus	Posted - 2007.11.06 06:46:00 - [31] In most (all?) other MMORPG's out there, you actually have to be logged on in order to gain skills. If a skill takes 2 weeks, you need 2 weeks game time to get the skill. In eve, you don't have to do anything to get a skill except to train it and wait. To compensate for this, there are many more skills and many more paths for you to take. I have corp mates who are over a year old who don't have the skills yet. You COULD get a BS quickly, but would lose it the first time you take it out, becuase you don't have the proper shield/armor/gunnery/missle/Electronic Warfare/Navigation skills. You are playing EVE for the long haul, not for the short. If you don't like it, i would suggest you go somewhere else instead, as EVE can get a bit boring (outside of corp PVP ops, of course :D )
Caldreean Dawnwalkers	Posted - 2007.11.06 07:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Arii Smith Tarminic or an idiot? YOU DECIDE! He's just an idiot. He's been ranting about this in the Help channel for several weeks now. Then he logged on an alt and had a hissy fit for 2 hours about not being able to scan while cloaked. On the bright side, he's great entertainment during boring missioning/ratting. Idiocy at its finest =)
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.06 07:30:00 - [33] Luz has taken from whining in the Help channel to the forums. What we're witnessing here is the evolution of a whiner.
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.11.06 07:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Gamer Maximus In most (all?) other MMORPG's out there, you actually have to be logged on in order to gain skills. If a skill takes 2 weeks, you need 2 weeks game time to get the skill. In eve, you don't have to do anything to get a skill except to train it and wait. To compensate for this, there are many more skills and many more paths for you to take. I have corp mates who are over a year old who don't have the skills yet. You COULD get a BS quickly, but would lose it the first time you take it out, becuase you don't have the proper shield/armor/gunnery/missle/Electronic Warfare/Navigation skills. You are playing EVE for the long haul, not for the short. If you don't like it, i would suggest you go somewhere else instead, as EVE can get a bit boring (outside of corp PVP ops, of course :D ) and CCP are happy bunnies, as they have 250K active accounts, but 249990 of them only log in for skill change, which doesn't load their servers, and maybe 10 actually play their game... or are those 10 just the GMs? fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 08:44:00 - [35] Originally by: Horchan Originally by: Scav Silver One of the negatives and positives of this game.. If ya not so active, ya are the same level as the freaks.. On the other hand, ya can never catch someone few years into the game.. Bzzt. Sorry, but your answer is incorrect. Thanks for playing though. You can catch up. Specialize. There is only so much SP you can gain to improve a specific task. What the older players have over newer players is versatility. Please get your filthy "facts" and oppressive "logic" out of this whine thread. Go on, get out, or you'll be on the receiving end of a harrassment petition, monster. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Cipher7 VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 09:04:00 - [36] Even with 60 million SP you'll still be a noob.
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2007.11.06 09:10:00 - [37] No easy way to go on this one. If skills get done too fast people get bored because they are at the top (WoW), though in a game where you are meant not only to duke it out with others (OMGWTFBBQ) but to do so in groups with strategy (Blob, More BS!) and be able to afford doing so (Farmer Raven) maybe the skills do not need to take more than 10 days to train (> or = to Rank 5) with learning skills up and a few decent but not uber implants (Screw Learning give me Snakes and Crystal). Then again I would be happy if we just had something ELSE to do in the EvE universe (**** Holoreels, Pleasure Hub, Pong) while we wait for these things to train besides than float and show off our ship to Roids and Mission Rats (Bite my rusted metal...Nevermind). Sorry, I am feeling unusually Evil tonight. Must be the weather or something. +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o
Heliocon Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.06 10:30:00 - [38] HEY!!!! You have no right to complain kid i started with 65k sp you start with over 800k!!!! Try that When the patch came out for sp boost I sitll omly ahd 1.4mil after 2 months of play so dont complain. Some of ous like the skill system also means you have to be patient and work for htings not instant gratifications. Its more realistic also so people who dont have the EXPERIENCE cannot fly the ships! [/url]
Presidente Gallente Pirate Hunters Inc Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.11.06 11:06:00 - [39] Originally by: LuzArius Man its been 3 months and I"m still a complete noob this sucks. I want to fly a battleship efficiently but I still lack the skills. I have trained my learning skills and even have +3 implants but still training takes soo long. I wish I could grind skills to finish in a few days instead of waiting a month. EVE's skill system is what separates the boys from the men. EVE is not a game for impatience players looking just for arcade action. The long schedules for good skills make sense due the complexity of that game. With that concept you grow up in an intelligent way and you learn how to use all that stuff, how to fit your ships right for eg. missions and later PvP ... to have great skills asap will ruin the whole game. I know some pilots who are totally unexperienced using a 40 Million SP character and they complained all the time that EVE sucks because they lost again their Nighthawk in a simple battle and they did not understand why. That is the price you pay for high-skills but no knowledge. Beeing familar with EVE and finding your personal path needs that time. It's like reading Lord of the Rings. The first chapters are some kind of painful and boring but they are necessary to develop the whole big story and the other half of the books is awesome to read. Accept the skill concept. It's great how it is to make that game exciting for a long time at the end. Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++
Presidente Gallente Pirate Hunters Inc Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.11.06 11:08:00 - [40] Originally by: Cipher7 Even with 60 million SP you'll still be a noob. Short and simple well said! So say we all! Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++
Roemy Schneider BINFORD Solidus Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 11:09:00 - [41] advanced learnings could add +2, mayhap - putting the gist back into logistics
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.11.06 11:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Presidente Gallente EVE's skill system is what separates the boys from the men. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA wait wait.... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA most stupid thing i've read in a good while on this forums. thx for the laugh. fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.06 11:28:00 - [43] It's true, some skills take way too long for an MMO "advancement" curve, it's just off putting and as such, a bit bad. BUT...you can't ever change it. People would be outraged and complain since they themselves had to train those skills for a long time. "I twain you long time!" Which is ridicilous schoolyard bully-cycle behaviour. anyhoo, be it as it amy, long skills are the perfect excuse to go spend time with other MMOs and games as such, so, not all bad. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Neuneko	Posted - 2007.11.06 11:32:00 - [44] I see long skill training as my chance to go outside Oh yes, there is another world outside!
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.11.06 11:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Neuneko I see long skill training as my chance to go outside Oh yes, there is another world outside! well, i don't know u... but i don't see why i should pay CCP a monthly fee, to go OUTSIDE. it's like the mining pros or gatecampers... i don't understand em... they sit at their computer, alt tabbed to some **** website... or maybe even reading a book... and they PAY CCP to do that. well, some of them sell the isk for GTCs, so in the end they spend hours and hours in front of the computer, and don't pay... i don't see any logic or fun in that. fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
ShadowFox 07 Gallente Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 11:49:00 - [46] If you're going to actually play eve, a real time strategy, you will have to deal with the long times it takes to do things in the game. Otherwise quit whining
Freelancemen Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:02:00 - [47] Training does NOT take long! You can fly a bs in matter of weeks with t1 fitting. Ofc it won't be a strong bs but that is as it should be. There is a difference in able to fly and flying it well. You can fly missions or pvp with it but will have to know what you can handel and what not. You wanna fly a carrier in a month? What would that leave for ppl ingame a year? They would all be in titans and then it ends as there is nothing more to look forward too. And i'm pretty sure that i (27mill sp) can beat a 50mill sp in pvp as you can have only so much sp put into the ship you're flying. This is what makes eve fun. Players a year old can beat a 5 year old if the 1 year old char concentrates on 1 specialisation. People just tend to want to much different things and that makes em weak in all disiplines. Eve skilling is just fine as it is. It leaves new things open for many many years but it is never a need to get there to enjoy the game.
Cruthensis Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:04:00 - [48] Yeah, gotta agree with several other posters in this thread - don't rush to get into BS. This was advice given to me early on and it's helped alot. BC is a good place to 'pause' your SC skills. The modules/skills you train at that level are essential for a LOT of good ships: T1 Cruisers, T1 BCs, Recon, HAC, Logistics, Command Ship... Right now (T2 BS ahoy though) your 'large' skills for BS take a long time to train and are useful for BS...and that's it, until you get into cap ships (and those will take a LOT longer)
Granmethedon III High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:13:00 - [49] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Neuneko I see long skill training as my chance to go outside Oh yes, there is another world outside! well, i don't know u... but i don't see why i should pay CCP a monthly fee, to go OUTSIDE. it's like the mining pros or gatecampers... i don't understand em... they sit at their computer, alt tabbed to some **** website... or maybe even reading a book... and they PAY CCP to do that. well, some of them sell the isk for GTCs, so in the end they spend hours and hours in front of the computer, and don't pay... i don't see any logic or fun in that. Close the door on your way out.
Kimiko Kurosawa The Krugerrand Groupies	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:15:00 - [50] I lol'd at the OP. Since he spent several days whining in the help channel about how he couldn't do PvP until he had T2 drones.
Ishmael Hansen No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:21:00 - [51] Instead of whining Specialization you should train Patience to lvl 5 asap
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:29:00 - [52] to the op CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Corstaad Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:31:00 - [53] Best thing about grinding to the top in WoW is after 3 months your new elite gear is crap and you start the ******** grind again. That is and will be to much more effect a dated mmorg system when people realize it.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:39:00 - [54] Jeez... When I started you couldn't get implants. A few people had some and the devs were threatening to remove them entirely because they were overpowered. We didn't have advanced learning skills. When this changed it would cost you half a billion isk for a full set of +3s, and you'd need base learning skills at 5 (FIVE) to train the advanced ones. We started with a maximum of about 95,000 SP if you knew how to get the most out of character creation and wanted to specialise that way. You noobs have it REAL EASY with your 800,000 SP, pre-trained learning skills and 100m set of implants. If you really dislike skill training THAT MUCH, then you do have the wrong game perhaps? ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
Fenderson Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:47:00 - [55] getting started can be a bit slow and tedious. however if you specialize you can be pretty much maxed out for a given ship in less than a year. you can be effective in pvp in just a few weeks with frig size ships, and even more so when ewar frigs come out. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh dear, how about we all calm down a bit instead?
Lilly Boyter Amarr Scorpio Whirlwind Cluster	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:48:00 - [56] Start small boy it is not size that maters in this game it is how you use it that counts. Anyway training times are just right though I do think that we should have some more low rank skills instead of always getting new rank 10+ skills. But besides that I am perfectly happy with the length of skills.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:49:00 - [57] Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama Jeez... When I started you couldn't get implants. A few people had some and the devs were threatening to remove them entirely because they were overpowered. We didn't have advanced learning skills. When this changed it would cost you half a billion isk for a full set of +3s, and you'd need base learning skills at 5 (FIVE) to train the advanced ones. We started with a maximum of about 95,000 SP if you knew how to get the most out of character creation and wanted to specialise that way. You noobs have it REAL EASY with your 800,000 SP, pre-trained learning skills and 100m set of implants. If you really dislike skill training THAT MUCH, then you do have the wrong game perhaps? qfmft
Franelika	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:56:00 - [58] Keep in mind guys this is the very same guy in the help channel that said once he obtains 10million skill points he will never ever loose in a 1v1 match.. Personally I think he should go back to WoW as we had a hell of a time stopping him from calling it a duel instead of a 1v1 fight.. LULZ Originally by: LuzArius Man its been 3 months and I"m still a complete noob this sucks. I want to fly a battleship efficiently but I still lack the skills. I have trained my learning skills and even have +3 implants but still training takes soo long. I wish I could grind skills to finish in a few days instead of waiting a month.
Malarki X Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.06 13:11:00 - [59] Well I can see his POW as a person that spends WAY too much time loged in. For me it would be so much easier to just level the char like in any other MMO. Then again that would hurt people that have far less time to sink into what is after all a game. On the other hand what my time sink does provide is epeen ships that I can gelt blown up and compensated due to fact that time online = ISK, if one is not pew pewing. So you see - even when you have fun killing people, or geting killed for that matter - youre character still progresses. But I do agree that basic skills - like learing and basic tank / weapons / cap - etc. - skills should take less time to skill up. This would be compensated with more time it would take for entering T2 world of goodies. Depends realy on how close you are to either of these things, older players will object, younger rejoice. There is no unified answer to this puzzle ...
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.06 13:12:00 - [60] /r/: Advanced-Advanced learning skills. For another +5 on ze attributes

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