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Althier
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Posted - 2007.11.10 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: The Sol lol undercover gm lol I have been called a lot of things in my time but not that lol
so you have never sold an un-secure time code
you're just selling secure time codes every day, week
you're playing the game just as everyone else plays the game
I think ccp busted a load of isk farmers and found your name on their logs and jumped to the conclusion you are with them, which it would probably look as if you are
mistaken identity
I don't know what else to say except spam customer services and be patient
I wish, I sell 10 to 15 GTC each month (30 and 90 day) after I get paid. And yes I do mine and do all the normal stuff as to what eve is about. And yes I have had experience of thier poor standard for support secrvices (which leaves a heck of a lot to be desired). I use the isk gained from GTC selling for my own purpses and do noting ilicit with it. It makes an otherwise boreing game, a little tolerable as to what I can do and buy.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.11.10 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Formosus Funus And you dont recognize general farmer names and real pla... nevermind anyway
What idiotic argument is that???
You buy GTC from officialy supported side with your REAL LIFE money.
Then you do the secure trade here getting isk for the gtc. All legal and supported (and encouraged) by CCP!
CCP must not punish the people who use the secure method. If CCP think that the buyer of the gtc used illegal isk, then they must revert the trade! Revert trade, give back GTC to gtc seller and punish the buyer.
But in NO WAY CCP can remove the GTC AND the isk from the gtc seller. Remove isk and give back gtc, okay. But not both! That is just stealing real life money.
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Darth Nerf
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Posted - 2007.11.10 09:08:00 -
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From your actions I believe you. It doesn't seem that CCP has full control of secure GTC sales at the moment. There is no smoke without fire I say. It is OBVIOUS to anyone with a shred of common sense that the GTC-forum is crawling with isk farmers/sellers. This thread will probably be deleted though, I have seen it before with other similar threads.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.10 09:21:00 -
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It is not up to the GTC seller to determine who is a good and who is a bad customer. We are discussing real life cash here...... used to purchase GTC's that are then traded for isk using CCP's own SECURE METHOD.
Rather then punish the honest seller that paid cash for codes, wouldn't it be better to deal with the real issue and get the dirty isk out of the game before it was used in a legitimate transaction?
And here is the real issue...... The affiliate sites will get burned. They are the ones that will have to fend off charge backs.... anyone that pays with a credit card and then has their isk yanked can and will file charge backs, but because it was bought on a 3rd party site, CCP has no worries... other then fending off angry affiliates...
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Darth Nerf
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Posted - 2007.11.10 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Althier
Originally by: Darth Nerf
Originally by: Althier
Why should I give the GTC reseller a hard time, as the issue is with CCP and not the reseller. It is very easy to shout and jump up and down at them, but what good would that do. The main people I am going to go for is CCP as they are the main perpotrator in this.
I say this because CCP will just keep on ignoring you I'm afraid. But it will be harder for them to ignore the GTC resellers.
Maybe, but I think they wont ignore me as a letter is already wining its way to a commercial law solicitor so think they will listen this time.
Be sure to update your blog! And I still say contact the GTC-sellers and get them on your side. You won't have anything to lose anyway...
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Ubutoy
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Posted - 2007.11.10 12:56:00 -
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Ciphero
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.11.10 13:05:00 -
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Thread delivers.
I trust that the above comment will be translated as brown-nosing CCP and insisting they can do no wrong etc. |
Kurt Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.11.10 13:33:00 -
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10-15 GTC each month that is what is wrong with this game, tbh I'm glad you got burned
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Althier
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Posted - 2007.11.10 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kurt Phoenix 10-15 GTC each month that is what is wrong with this game, tbh I'm glad you got burned
This sounds very much like jealousy!. So what you are saying by this is that you dont want to see people play this game and that a GTC sellers are banned, isk farmers banned. So what if I sell GTC is it not my hard earned RL monie to do what I want with it or do I have to ask yours and CCP's permission first. I suggest that you are a 12 year old who dosent have any spare cash and therefore slag off people who do.
So I have a lot of isk, well for one I dont sell the isk, and yes I do have a corp, and corps require isk to run them. Also I buy BPO's, minerals and make and reseach them to make ships tah people buy to play this game. So the math is simple this requires a lot of isk, hence why I sell the GTC to make this happen quicker than mining, but i still mine too, ice for my pos, and high end ore that are not in high sec....so is this a problem....to me no but proberly to you it is; but thatis fine you are welcome to your opinion. tell me do you not winge when you are ganked by pies in empire......ever? Do you not ask ccp to give you your ship back?. I dont with the isk i make and ships i build i support myself this way. So you really dont have an argument do you!
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Mag's
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.11.10 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kurt Phoenix 10-15 GTC each month that is what is wrong with this game, tbh I'm glad you got burned
The amount is irrelevant, he would have been banned, even if he sold 1 to the wrong person, by the looks of it. You seem to have missed the reason for this thread.
If you buy GTCs to sell over CCPs' secure GTC transfer system, you would expect to be covered as it's SECURE. As it stands, it seems it's not secure after all.
I don't think that makes CCP corrupt, but it does bring into question their GTC methods.
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Fiume dalVita
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Posted - 2007.11.10 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: The Sol I understand your frustration, and by your actions I would say they made a mistake, but they must have had some evidence of miss doing
I would politely and calmly asked them to look into it again if you haven't anything to hide
sending stuff to a solicitor will get you ignored
if we look up your character's name and look at the contracts are we going to see huge amounts of isk, what evidence do they have, I think this is a mistake but I do not know what they know
and of course if it's just selling time cards through the secure method then it's got to be a mistake and you should have nothing to worry about by asking for another investigation
CCP have IP adress log every time you log on. Lets hope that GTC seller and buyer IP adresses never crossed over or are regionaly close...?
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Kryton Bitterstar
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Posted - 2007.11.10 21:25:00 -
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10-15 a month? why? thats pathetic. you effectively pay ccp 225.00 USD(assuming 15.00 each for a 30 day gtc x 15 sales)plus whatever subscriptions you have per month?. i hope your pool out back is filled with money and scrooge mcduck takes out loans from you. if not ... just wow.
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Althier
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Posted - 2007.11.11 12:35:00 -
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to the top again
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Althier
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Posted - 2007.11.13 17:05:00 -
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top
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Loyal Servant
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Althier top
Does not accomplish anything dude. CCP got their money... why would they care?
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Aloroma Talassa
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Posted - 2007.11.13 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
CCP got their money... why would they care?
Reputation?
Would you pay a known thief to move your furnitures to your new house?
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Kitasi
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Posted - 2007.11.13 23:31:00 -
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CCP is in only a minorly actionable position in this issue. You pay them to grant you access to their systems provided you adhere to their rules and policies. They own all of the data in their system and have stated it has zero monitary value. So, your account and ISK have always been CCP's (monitarialy valueless) property. Having never participated in the GTC transfer system I don't know what contract/liscense agreement they require, but unless it is stated that any GTCs entered into the system are immediatly considered 'used' (i.e. now CCP property) you *might* be able to sue them into giving back any that had not been applied to an account for game time.
I hate to say it, but other than that there isn't much of a legal leg you have to support yourself with. I have worked customer support before (not for CCP), and the one truth I can tell you; if you make it a pain in the ass to help you, I won't. If a customer is going to yell, curse, accuse, and abuse me there would need to be a GLARING mistake in their favor to lift a finger. On the other hand, people who came with a clearly stated request, using polite language, and possibly even having some documentation (as you state you do) could get me to go to bat for them against my employer (even if they actually DID violate policy). It's trite, but it's true; honey catches more flies than vinigar. I'm not saying pucker up and kiss their ass, and it's okay to ahead and let them know you are upse. Just remember that you are not trying to convince a nameless, faceless entity that they are acting evil (which they are not), but trying to convince a (hopefully) caring individual that you have been wronged and it is within their power to correct this mistake. Be patient, a lack of response is not a response in and of itself. Go ahead an contact them repeatedly. Let them know that you enjoy their product, and that you would not have, nor intend to break the EULA to jepordize that. In general, even if you are not one, acting like an angry gradeschooler with an over-sized sense of entitlement will only get you riddiculed.
Alternativly, if you really do find the game boring when not leading a corporation, and selling GTCs was the only way you know to support the corporation, perhaps it is time to move to other grounds. I assure you though, the above advice is true in almost any customer service environment.
If the facts are as you state them, then I hope CCP realizes their error and re-instates your account. If they do so and have still taken the ISK that you earned, the GTCs you sold for it should be returned. Of course CCP is under no obligation to do so, which is why you shouldn't act like a ****.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.13 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Althier main toons
Actually you where banned for using the word toons in eve. Go CCP! -----
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Kittamaru
Gallente Ceptacemia Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.11.13 23:43:00 -
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can I have your stuff if you leave?
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specky
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Posted - 2007.11.14 02:19:00 -
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thing that *****s me up tonight i transfered all my bpos nothing speaicl though contract to another character on same account accepted the contract my blue prints and my badger to that i was going to use to get fuel to keep my pos going didnt even apper in my invertry posted a thing to them its like waiting for my dog to do back flips
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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.11.14 13:05:00 -
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This user did not use the secure ETC trade. He has repeatedly bought ISK for real money. He has received several warnings for doing so. He has a long list of various violations to our EULA and TOS on several accounts. This includes, but is not limited to, hate speech, real life threats, abusive language and buying ingame items for real money.
We have been fairly tolerant so far, but at some point we have to say, enough is enough.
For the record, we never reverse secure ETC transfers.
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