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Upde	Posted - 2007.11.09 20:17:00 - [1] Currently I can run L3 easily in my drake. I was thinking of getting a raven and starting L4 ones but tbh I dislike the raven with a passion. It's ugly and it is as common as the chavs in essex that drive vauxhall chavaliers. Therefore due to my principles I will flat out refuse to pilot one !!! Petty I know but I am fed up of seeing ravens undocking all over eve and don't want to add to that plague. Bottom line is there another race ship that can do L4s that can shield tank well or do I need to bite the bullet and either 1. train a load more skills for armour tanking or 2. drive the caldari chavalier ? Option 2 not really an option unless I am really stuck between a rock and a hard place :)
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.09 20:20:00 - [2] Minmatar and the Maelstrom is what you're looking for. It will not take advantage of your missile skills. If missile skills are more important, you might be able to rig up some sort of crazy shield tank on the Typhoon. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Rashmika Sky	Posted - 2007.11.09 21:02:00 - [3] Probably a Nighthawk would do the job for you (Caldari HAC).. I know a guy that missions all the time and I seem to recall him saying the Nighthawk has a better tank the the Raven... I'm not sure how damage compares, but probably Nighthawk would have an easier time hitting smallstuff, if that even matters. I'm not really a missile user so I wouldn't know about that side of things. Just figured I'd toss that out there... of course it probably costs an arm and a leg and doesn't insure for much. Still a nice ship. -Rash
Mou'adib Gallente Ethical Dilemma	Posted - 2007.11.09 21:13:00 - [4] If you're a rich mission runner. get a rattlesnake
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.09 21:17:00 - [5] So... what's stopping you from running L4s in your Drake ? I do it all the time. _ New character creation guide \| [CNVTF] corp recruiting \| Stacknerfs explained
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.09 21:23:00 - [6] The nightmare! It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Impolite Andevil The Shadow Knights Division of Eden	Posted - 2007.11.09 21:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Rashmika Sky Probably a Nighthawk would do the job for you (Caldari HAC).. I know a guy that missions all the time and I seem to recall him saying the Nighthawk has a better tank the the Raven... I'm not sure how damage compares, but probably Nighthawk would have an easier time hitting smallstuff, if that even matters. I'm not really a missile user so I wouldn't know about that side of things. Just figured I'd toss that out there... of course it probably costs an arm and a leg and doesn't insure for much. Still a nice ship. -Rash The Nighthawk is an excellent mission runner, but it is a command ship, not a HAC, and if he is running level 3s in a drake, he's probably looking at 6 months to a year of training before he can fly a nighthawk effectively. Training command ships is not far off training capitals in SP requirements. Comparing a Raven vs. a Nighthawk for lev 4's, I have found that the Nighthawk kills cruisers and below much faster than the raven, battlecruisers at roughly the same rate, and battleships a fair amount slower. Overall the Raven is a little faster, but not much. Of course, get a Nighthawk/Raven team going and you have a serious powerhouse! As for tanking, yes, a Nighthawk handily outtanks a Raven. To match a T2 Nighthawk passive tank you need an active faction tank on the Raven.
Gul Rashen Perkone	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:01:00 - [8] Edited by: Gul Rashen on 09/11/2007 22:02:50 If you liked the Drake you will love the Nighthawk. Its a long Skilltime, but you can fly most lvl4 Missions in the Drake till you have the skills. At the first time you can fly it with a passive Tank, no big change to a Drake Pilot, later on, when you have the ISK you can put a nice Factiontank on it. This gives you a better Tank than a CNR with Factiontank has and you can equip 4 BCS. With this you have the same Killspeed as a Raven(some Missions you are slower, some Missions you are faster). Believe me i fly both a CNR and a Nighthawk and i use the CNR only against Sanshas cause the NH is much more comfortable and more Fun.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:15:00 - [9] If you want to passive shield tank and do decent damage Gallante ships are a good choice. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Captain Schmungles Caldari Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:39:00 - [10] To the OP: I feel your pain. Although some Minmatar ships are shield tanks, bear in mind that none have enough missile slots to be made into missile boats (the phoon maybe, but that normally involves a speed tank that you might not be skilled for). If you're going Minmatar, start your projectile turret training now. On the other hand, given the amount of time you'd end up investing in skill training for projectile turrets, you might just want to cave in, buy a Raven, fly it until you can fly a Maelstrom effectively, and then switch. Or, you could train for a Nighthawk and complete missions in roughly the same amount of time as you could in a Raven. Unfortunantly there aren't a whole lot of alternatives to a Raven. If you are willing to just re-train entirely, you could (eventually) work into a Domi, but since any move will involve training I'd advise just buying a Raven (albeit temporarily). You'll recoup all that ISK anyway, and if you really don't like it you can self-destruct when you're ready to switch and collect the insurance.
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Pottsey If you want to passive shield tank and do decent damage Gallante ships are a good choice. No they aren't. They run flat out of cap with all those SPRs, meaning they can't use hybrid guns. Besides, they're Gallente, not Gallante. As for L4 running, you have a few options. First is to stay in your Drake-it's slow, but it'll do the job. Second is the Nighthawk-better tank, better DPS, but still a bit slow compared to battleships. Third is a Minmatar battleship. Fourth is to zoom way out to avoid looking at your ugly Raven. Fifth (would take the most re-training) is the Dominix.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.10 07:03:00 - [12] ôNo they aren't. They run flat out of cap with all those SPRs, meaning they can't use hybrid guns.ö You donÆt have a giant cap drain from active amour repairers so you can run hybrids no problem. I use 425mm T2 rail guns, 8 of them with my Hyper for lvl 4 missions. You know you donÆt have to has max SPRÆs. There are other useful modules like PDS, Damage mods e.c.t Passive shield tanking guide click here
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.10 14:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Pottsey ôNo they aren't. They run flat out of cap with all those SPRs, meaning they can't use hybrid guns.ö You donÆt have a giant cap drain from active amour repairers so you can run hybrids no problem. I use 425mm T2 rail guns, 8 of them with my Hyper for lvl 4 missions. You know you donÆt have to has max SPRÆs. There are other useful modules like PDS, Damage mods e.c.t Hm. 8 425s and 3 T2 shield hards seem to take 4 PDSs just to perma-run on a Hyperion, and without SPRs up your ass, your tank's never going to come close to an armor tank. Even if you somehow could fit full T2 SPRs, 3 extenders, invuln, 3 CDFP, and EM hard, you're going to be below the tank of a dual-LAR II, DCU II, explo hard II, 2x EANM II, 5x Cap Recharger II (for PvP replaced by an injector), 2x CCC, and 1x ANP.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.10 15:46:00 - [14] Edited by: Pottsey on 10/11/2007 15:47:12 ôHm. 8 425s and 3 T2 shield hards seem to take 4 PDSs just to perma-run on a Hyperion, and without SPRs up your ass, your tank's never going to come close to an armor tank. 264.12 HP regen isnt close to an amour tank? Since when? 3 PDS give me the cap I need and the rest SPR. You have no large cap drain so your large cap without factoring in regen lasts ages. Yyou donÆt need to perm run as your not firing none stop. The short breaks when you reload or change targets, turn on weapons, move into range e.c.t mean you only need about 10 to 18 cap/s regen to run your ship none stop. "if you somehow could fit full T2 SPRs, 3 extenders, invuln, 3 CDFP, and EM hard, you're going to be below the tank of a dual-LAR II, DCU II, explo hard II, 2x EANM II, 5x Cap Recharger II (for PvP replaced by an injector), 2x CCC, and 1x ANP.ö Somehow fit? Your fit seems to be impossible. How do you fit all that without downgrading your weapons? Last time I checked the passive tank was way easier to fit and your amour tank has massive PG problems. How do you fit 8, T2 425mm railguns with dual LAR and everything else while running none stop without cap problems? If I downgrade to T2 I have 264.12 HP regen and 68.85% Kinetic and 58.6% thermal. ThatÆs a 728 dps tankable with 2 invul fields more if you swap to single hardners. On top of all that I have over 26k hitpoints not factoring in resistance. I donÆt see how your dual LAR setup can match that. I could in theory swap to amps and fit more SPRÆs. Not sure if thatÆs worse or better, but I like invul fields over single hardners. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.10 15:55:00 - [15] Sure, you can't fit 8 425s with the armor tank... But you can actually have a decent tank with the railguns attatched. Passive tanks? It's a choice between the tank and the guns, neither tank nor guns setups having much of the other.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.11.10 16:31:00 - [16] Battleships don't passive tank all that well anyway. But yeah, try a myrmidon. Even after being 'forced' into 5 medium drones, it'll still tank better, and do more damage than a Drake. You will need to use capless guns though (e.g. projectiles), but a rack of 425mm autos, a rack of LSEs, and a rack of SPRs actually does pretty good :). You'll probably find you can figure out a better tank, but that one's entirely capless, which is always handy. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.10 16:33:00 - [17] Edited by: Pottsey on 10/11/2007 16:34:36 ôBut you can actually have a decent tank with the railguns attatched. Passive tanks? It's a choice between the tank and the guns, neither tank nor guns setups having much of the other.ö I just proved a passive tank can have both a decent tank and guns. Your amour tank has 1 or the other. I dont understand why your saying Passive tanks are a choice between the tank and the guns. Passive shield tanking guide click here
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.11.10 16:42:00 - [18] Someone trying to smackdown Pottsey about passive tanking? Where's my popcorn? -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP
Riho Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.10 17:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Pottsey ôNo they aren't. They run flat out of cap with all those SPRs, meaning they can't use hybrid guns.ö You donÆt have a giant cap drain from active amour repairers so you can run hybrids no problem. I use 425mm T2 rail guns, 8 of them with my Hyper for lvl 4 missions. You know you donÆt have to has max SPRÆs. There are other useful modules like PDS, Damage mods e.c.t my domi can perma run guns, 2x large reps, hardeners...... no problemo
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.10 17:51:00 - [20] ômy domi can perma run guns, 2x large reps, hardeners...... no problemoö Is that with 6 railguns T2, 425mm? Or do you have to downgrade the weapons? I was talking about the Hyperion before with 8 turrets not the domi. But a domi as a passive tank can fit 6 of the best railguns without a problem. Passive shield tanking guide click here

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