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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:42:00 -
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Well after many years in the game its time to cut back.
I have cancelled this account and will be down to one account by the end of the year. I have not seen my business partner for 2 weeks I think he quit or lost interest. Why you ask? If you didn't move on to next topic.
Cos you offer me nothing in the next or future patch's. I am an industrialist. Nothing more nothing less. I don't care too much for PVP, I like to build things and I let other people blow them up.
My business partner and I invested all we had into carrier production. We trained skills bought an extra account and now have over 30bil worth of usless blueprints for ships that no one wants and skills that are worse than useless.
We have no real ISK and no prospect of earning much with our skills, all we earned went back into more blueprints etc. We can not invest in the new T2 ships as we don't have the skills and to be honest no longer trust CCP. We got burned once, not risking it again.
In fact thats what it boils down to, trust. You gave us the sandbox to make the game and now you don't like what we done you kick the damn sand in our face and change the rules.
You care little for the guys who spent months training to fly ships that are now worse than useless and think nothing of those who spent months of training and billions of ISK trying to make something wothwhile. I figure our little venture cost us around 30bil others I know have spent 2 or 3 times that.
I no longer have the inclination to attempt to try and plan for the future in Eve when you show so much contempt for the customer.
I will still enjoy my 1 account. I may not be on as much as I used to. I figure I can earn enough so that I don't even have to use real money to pay to play as I can simply buy a GTC.
CCP have done nothing for the small industrial player. All this effort into new T2 ships that only a fraction of the player base will be able to afford. T2 freighters that should have been Tier 2. New graphics engine that will sure look good on the advertising blurb you make but will make no diffenence to the average player.
You have not nerfed the carriers and drone ships you have obliterated them out of existance.
My suspened accounts will simply sit their with a long skill and when/if you give me something of interest then I may activate them.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:42:00 -
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Well after many years in the game its time to cut back.
I have cancelled this account and will be down to one account by the end of the year. I have not seen my business partner for 2 weeks I think he quit or lost interest. Why you ask? If you didn't move on to next topic.
Cos you offer me nothing in the next or future patch's. I am an industrialist. Nothing more nothing less. I don't care too much for PVP, I like to build things and I let other people blow them up.
My business partner and I invested all we had into carrier production. We trained skills bought an extra account and now have over 30bil worth of usless blueprints for ships that no one wants and skills that are worse than useless.
We have no real ISK and no prospect of earning much with our skills, all we earned went back into more blueprints etc. We can not invest in the new T2 ships as we don't have the skills and to be honest no longer trust CCP. We got burned once, not risking it again.
In fact thats what it boils down to, trust. You gave us the sandbox to make the game and now you don't like what we done you kick the damn sand in our face and change the rules.
You care little for the guys who spent months training to fly ships that are now worse than useless and think nothing of those who spent months of training and billions of ISK trying to make something wothwhile. I figure our little venture cost us around 30bil others I know have spent 2 or 3 times that.
I no longer have the inclination to attempt to try and plan for the future in Eve when you show so much contempt for the customer.
I will still enjoy my 1 account. I may not be on as much as I used to. I figure I can earn enough so that I don't even have to use real money to pay to play as I can simply buy a GTC.
CCP have done nothing for the small industrial player. All this effort into new T2 ships that only a fraction of the player base will be able to afford. T2 freighters that should have been Tier 2. New graphics engine that will sure look good on the advertising blurb you make but will make no diffenence to the average player.
You have not nerfed the carriers and drone ships you have obliterated them out of existance.
My suspened accounts will simply sit their with a long skill and when/if you give me something of interest then I may activate them.
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iiOs
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:43:00 -
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can I have your stuff?
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iiOs
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:43:00 -
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can I have your stuff?
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Peter VonThal
Raygun Technologies
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:45:00 -
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I'll take the worthless blueprints. Set up a high-sec contract and send me an evemail
Thanks.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 09/11/2007 21:45:52 If it helps, CCP loses your account but gains two accounts. :)
If you really want to, you could always move into different production. And if you really want to leave, please biomass your toons then come post in the forums and I will take you very seriously. :) --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:45:00 -
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stfu, i pvp and i quit too, your dissapointment has got nothing tod ow ith eve but just with yourself. Go do something else, just make sure to remember your account name and password.
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Peter VonThal
Raygun Technologies
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:45:00 -
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I'll take the worthless blueprints. Set up a high-sec contract and send me an evemail
Thanks.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 09/11/2007 21:45:52 If it helps, CCP loses your account but gains two accounts. :)
If you really want to, you could always move into different production. And if you really want to leave, please biomass your toons then come post in the forums and I will take you very seriously. :) --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:45:00 -
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stfu, i pvp and i quit too, your dissapointment has got nothing tod ow ith eve but just with yourself. Go do something else, just make sure to remember your account name and password.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:47:00 -
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1. As a producer, you should be prepared for market volatility, maybe you should have diversified a bit instead of sinking your entire investment into carrier production. You got screwed over, but it's not CCP's fault any more than it is the Stock Market's fault for a bad investment.
Also, since carriers are now completely useless I'll be happy to take all of your carrier production-related stuff. Obviously you won't need it anymore, right? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare |
Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:47:00 -
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1. As a producer, you should be prepared for market volatility, maybe you should have diversified a bit instead of sinking your entire investment into carrier production. You got screwed over, but it's not CCP's fault any more than it is the Stock Market's fault for a bad investment.
Also, since carriers are now completely useless I'll be happy to take all of your carrier production-related stuff. Obviously you won't need it anymore, right? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:48:00 -
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Don't take his stuffs Tarminic. If you really care about the game, ask him to biomass his stuffs with his toons. It would help the in-game economy. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: iiOs can I have your stuff?
Sure, Send me 30bil and its yours
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:48:00 -
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Don't take his stuffs Tarminic. If you really care about the game, ask him to biomass his stuffs with his toons. It would help the in-game economy. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: iiOs can I have your stuff?
Sure, Send me 30bil and its yours
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Snake Doctor
MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:49:00 -
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Your stuffs: Can I has them?
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Snake Doctor
MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:49:00 -
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Your stuffs: Can I has them?
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Lars Lodar
Caldari Astrodynamic Innovations
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:52:00 -
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Another Drama Queen bites the dust.
I can't believe so many of you people are going nuts over a patch that hasn't even finalized. And drone ships are hardly 'obliterated out of existence'. The Eos and Myrmidon can't field 5 heavy drones and it is the end of the world?
Both those ships shouldn't be able to fit those drones anyway. A fleet command ship shouldn't be a DPS Solopwnmobil and the Myrmidon needed balancing for a long time coming.
Once you get over yourself, you might be able to see that CCP is moving the game in a good direction. CCP not catering to the crying babies in the forums is hardly contempt for the customer.
Stay constructive, offer suggestions, act like an adult and maybe CCP would be more keep to address your concerns.
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iiOs
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: iiOs can I have your stuff?
Sure, Send me 30bil and its yours
you are not using them anyway, since they are "useless"..might as well send to me?;)
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Baleur
Miners In Barges Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:52:00 -
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How can you complain that carriers are useless, BEFORE the change has affected the market? Geez, chill down a bit and just keep making those ships, keep selling em. And dont tell me you wont make a profit, dont tell me its useless. lol
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Lars Lodar
Caldari Astrodynamic Innovations
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:52:00 -
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Another Drama Queen bites the dust.
I can't believe so many of you people are going nuts over a patch that hasn't even finalized. And drone ships are hardly 'obliterated out of existence'. The Eos and Myrmidon can't field 5 heavy drones and it is the end of the world?
Both those ships shouldn't be able to fit those drones anyway. A fleet command ship shouldn't be a DPS Solopwnmobil and the Myrmidon needed balancing for a long time coming.
Once you get over yourself, you might be able to see that CCP is moving the game in a good direction. CCP not catering to the crying babies in the forums is hardly contempt for the customer.
Stay constructive, offer suggestions, act like an adult and maybe CCP would be more keep to address your concerns.
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iiOs
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: iiOs can I have your stuff?
Sure, Send me 30bil and its yours
you are not using them anyway, since they are "useless"..might as well send to me?;)
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Baleur
Miners In Barges Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:52:00 -
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How can you complain that carriers are useless, BEFORE the change has affected the market? Geez, chill down a bit and just keep making those ships, keep selling em. And dont tell me you wont make a profit, dont tell me its useless. lol
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Afreeq
Minmatar Freeqs of EVE Symbiotic Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Afreeq on 09/11/2007 21:53:25 Man, these threads are rampant. Not because its true, but because the only people who care to post are those who feel the need to complain, for the most part.
I love EVE. there are SOOOO many things to do, and so many things to try. Im an industrialist too. I run POS, t2 Manufacturing, and of course t1 moanufacturing, and i have barely scratched the surface of my potential. I love the exploring, i love the coprs and the markets, i LOVE the strategic thoughtfulness mixed with danger.
Im sorry you feel this way, but honestly it seems you dug your own grave by forcing your "fun" into one tiny supersmall aspect of the game. How do you enjoy yourself? Its a Game, it will go through changes, its the DREAM OF CCP, not our dream, and they have an idea they are continuously building on. You cant please all the people even some of the time. But overall, this game is the best ive ever seen.
I got bored with creature genocide, and games that have no real risk, dont get your blood pumping, and are just 3d chat rooms and hookups.
Im sorry you failed at EVE. But i LOVE IT! And many of us do. Its not CCPs fault you dont like some things.
CCP has endured alot of flack, mostly because they ask and change with the community on some level. Most games dont do jack squat about thier player base, just keep programming. EVE has set the standards higher and will always see the curses of thier good work for reaching out to us.
Id like to see you get anything out of SOE.
Put the blame where it belongs, on yourself, not CCP!
-Afreeq CEO [FREEQ] |
Afreeq
Minmatar Freeqs of EVE Symbiotic Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Afreeq on 09/11/2007 21:53:25 Man, these threads are rampant. Not because its true, but because the only people who care to post are those who feel the need to complain, for the most part.
I love EVE. there are SOOOO many things to do, and so many things to try. Im an industrialist too. I run POS, t2 Manufacturing, and of course t1 moanufacturing, and i have barely scratched the surface of my potential. I love the exploring, i love the coprs and the markets, i LOVE the strategic thoughtfulness mixed with danger.
Im sorry you feel this way, but honestly it seems you dug your own grave by forcing your "fun" into one tiny supersmall aspect of the game. How do you enjoy yourself? Its a Game, it will go through changes, its the DREAM OF CCP, not our dream, and they have an idea they are continuously building on. You cant please all the people even some of the time. But overall, this game is the best ive ever seen.
I got bored with creature genocide, and games that have no real risk, dont get your blood pumping, and are just 3d chat rooms and hookups.
Im sorry you failed at EVE. But i LOVE IT! And many of us do. Its not CCPs fault you dont like some things.
CCP has endured alot of flack, mostly because they ask and change with the community on some level. Most games dont do jack squat about thier player base, just keep programming. EVE has set the standards higher and will always see the curses of thier good work for reaching out to us.
Id like to see you get anything out of SOE.
Put the blame where it belongs, on yourself, not CCP!
-Afreeq CEO [FREEQ] |
Theo Samaritan
Gallente Pheonix Reborn
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:54:00 -
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Sigh.
When will people ever learn to wait for a release before shouting "nerf" "phail" "useless" etc.
Christ im not even sure if the carrier changes are finalised - have they even confirmed what said changes are? ______________________________
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente Pheonix Reborn
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:54:00 -
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Sigh.
When will people ever learn to wait for a release before shouting "nerf" "phail" "useless" etc.
Christ im not even sure if the carrier changes are finalised - have they even confirmed what said changes are? ______________________________
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Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:55:00 -
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oh for f's sake. So quit already
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Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:55:00 -
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oh for f's sake. So quit already
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Korran Minare
Gallente Spaced Cowboys
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:56:00 -
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have you ever heard of the phrase "all your eggs in one basket", it will burn you down every freakin time
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Korran Minare
Gallente Spaced Cowboys
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:56:00 -
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have you ever heard of the phrase "all your eggs in one basket", it will burn you down every freakin time
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Verone
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:57:00 -
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=)
>>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic 1. As a producer, you should be prepared for market volatility, maybe you should have diversified a bit instead of sinking your entire investment into carrier production. You got screwed over, but it's not CCP's fault any more than it is the Stock Market's fault for a bad investment.
Also, since carriers are now completely useless I'll be happy to take all of your carrier production-related stuff. Obviously you won't need it anymore, right?
Its a fair point and you are indeed correct. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and if I could turn the clock back I would. I simply don't have the will to try again. My remaining character will have all the assets and I hope in time they will be of use again.
But at the moment I have characters that have been trained to build capital ships and they are simply not needed. There is an oversupply of capital ships and most T1 ships as well. No point in paying real money to keep them building thin air.
As people adapt, as they always seem to do in Eve, then maybe carriers will become needed but with 10,000 of them out there I fear it will be sometime before there that happens.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:59:00 -
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I'll give you 200m for a Carrier to help you get back on your feet if you'd like. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets. |
Sister Impotentata
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:00:00 -
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There are Robber Barons, and there are Captains of Industry. And somewhere at the ends, are the poor souls who, as the bell curve predicts, made all the wrong decisions. That's you man. Don't be ashamed and rest on your laurels. We all have setbacks. Make it a learning experience. You've learned the lean end of the curve. Now explore the rich end. You have the resources better than anyone. ----- TANSTAAFL
Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:01:00 -
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I will buy every carrier and capital ship related BPO you own for 50% off NPC sell price. You could then expand your business into other areas, but if you are really just going to quit, just contract it to me for free.
Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread |
Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar The Tal'Shiar
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tressin Khiyne on 09/11/2007 22:03:00 You fail at EVE -- Not the other way around.
P.S. I'll take those carriers off your hands for ya. But you have me convinced their worthless, so I can only give you 7 isk a piece for them. --
There are 10 kinds of people in this world; Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Baleur How can you complain that carriers are useless, BEFORE the change has affected the market? Geez, chill down a bit and just keep making those ships, keep selling em. And dont tell me you wont make a profit, dont tell me its useless. lol
I suggest you check the market and contracts. Plenty of supply, some demand. Lots of folks selling their carriers and competing with producers. Others holding on to their ISK to buy a new T2 BS etc.
It take a **** load of hauling and time to make a carrier. Simply not worth the effort at the moment. Who knows that the future will bring, but right now, its pointless.
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente Pheonix Reborn
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Baleur How can you complain that carriers are useless, BEFORE the change has affected the market? Geez, chill down a bit and just keep making those ships, keep selling em. And dont tell me you wont make a profit, dont tell me its useless. lol
I suggest you check the market and contracts. Plenty of supply, some demand. Lots of folks selling their carriers and competing with producers. Others holding on to their ISK to buy a new T2 BS etc.
It take a **** load of hauling and time to make a carrier. Simply not worth the effort at the moment. Who knows that the future will bring, but right now, its pointless.
So its not about the change, more about the fact the carrier market is over saturated.
You can mkae capitals, build dreads! ______________________________
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn I will buy every carrier and capital ship related BPO you own for 50% off NPC sell price. You could then expand your business into other areas, but if you are really just going to quit, just contract it to me for free.
Your simply too kind and it would be wrong of me to take you up on such a generous offer.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Tarminic on 09/11/2007 22:07:47
Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Baleur How can you complain that carriers are useless, BEFORE the change has affected the market? Geez, chill down a bit and just keep making those ships, keep selling em. And dont tell me you wont make a profit, dont tell me its useless. lol
I suggest you check the market and contracts. Plenty of supply, some demand. Lots of folks selling their carriers and competing with producers. Others holding on to their ISK to buy a new T2 BS etc.
It take a **** load of hauling and time to make a carrier. Simply not worth the effort at the moment. Who knows that the future will bring, but right now, its pointless.
Once again, why can't you liquidate your carrier BPOs and purchase Roqual/Freighter/Dread BPOs instead of throwing up your hands in defeat? I'm sure the supply you won't be producing will be fulfilled by more competent competition.
Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn I will buy every carrier and capital ship related BPO you own for 50% off NPC sell price. You could then expand your business into other areas, but if you are really just going to quit, just contract it to me for free.
Your simply too kind and it would be wrong of me to take you up on such a generous offer.
Unwilling to put your money where your mouth is, I see. That's how it usually goes. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare |
Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Afreeq Edited by: Afreeq on 09/11/2007 21:53:25
stuff ...
Put the blame where it belongs, on yourself, not CCP!
Well CCP created the monster, I just fed it. Some you win some you lose, this time I lost big.
But lets be honest, the nerf is a rather large one and affects not just the pilots who spent 500mil on skills and months training but also on people like me.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Minerva Vulcan I'll give you 200m for a Carrier to help you get back on your feet if you'd like.
Mmmm, tempting, I will get back to you if I need the ISK.
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Atomic Eyez Well after many years in the game its time to cut back.
I have cancelled this account and will be down to one account by the end of the year. I have not seen my business partner for 2 weeks I think he quit or lost interest. Why you ask? If you didn't move on to next topic.
Cos you offer me nothing in the next or future patch's. I am an industrialist. Nothing more nothing less. I don't care too much for PVP, I like to build things and I let other people blow them up.
My business partner and I invested all we had into carrier production. We trained skills bought an extra account and now have over 30bil worth of usless blueprints for ships that no one wants and skills that are worse than useless.
We have no real ISK and no prospect of earning much with our skills, all we earned went back into more blueprints etc. We can not invest in the new T2 ships as we don't have the skills and to be honest no longer trust CCP. We got burned once, not risking it again.
In fact thats what it boils down to, trust. You gave us the sandbox to make the game and now you don't like what we done you kick the damn sand in our face and change the rules.
You care little for the guys who spent months training to fly ships that are now worse than useless and think nothing of those who spent months of training and billions of ISK trying to make something wothwhile. I figure our little venture cost us around 30bil others I know have spent 2 or 3 times that.
I no longer have the inclination to attempt to try and plan for the future in Eve when you show so much contempt for the customer.
I will still enjoy my 1 account. I may not be on as much as I used to. I figure I can earn enough so that I don't even have to use real money to pay to play as I can simply buy a GTC.
CCP have done nothing for the small industrial player. All this effort into new T2 ships that only a fraction of the player base will be able to afford. T2 freighters that should have been Tier 2. New graphics engine that will sure look good on the advertising blurb you make but will make no diffenence to the average player.
You have not nerfed the carriers and drone ships you have obliterated them out of existance.
My suspened accounts will simply sit their with a long skill and when/if you give me something of interest then I may activate them.
Ah jeez man. Carriers have been changed, they're hardly "useless". Now they're fleet ships not solopwnmobiles so much as they were. It's not the end of the world.
Don't quit. That's not what this game is about.
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Lorette
Gallente Grandma's WIth Guns
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:37:00 -
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Wah river of tears detected, when i quit i just put on some 30day+ skills and used my spare cash to get 200+ days of GTC.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain You make enough logging on once a week to run an account off of and then some and you're *****ing about how CCP has bankrupted you?
Oh my god, the carebear delusions completely astonish me sometimes. You need to be blown up more often.
At the moment I lot on most nights. Spend lots of time hauling stuff. Spend more time managing around 30 factories. Then I got to move stuff to low sec when the pirates sleep so I got to get up at 6am to do that.
In the future I will not be on as long, but will do missions, chat with mates and chew the cud. Will be more fun I think, but only 1 account to worry about will make life so much easier. All I got to do is make 400mil every 3 months and my RP's will take care of most of that. Assuming CCP don't neft RP's.
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:44:00 -
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Bye.
DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale!
THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES! |
Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Atomic Eyez Well after many years in the game its time to cut back.
I have cancelled this account and will be down to one account by the end of the year. I have not seen my business partner for 2 weeks I think he quit or lost interest. Why you ask? If you didn't move on to next topic.
Cos you offer me nothing in the next or future patch's. I am an industrialist. Nothing more nothing less. I don't care too much for PVP, I like to build things and I let other people blow them up.
My business partner and I invested all we had into carrier production. We trained skills bought an extra account and now have over 30bil worth of usless blueprints for ships that no one wants and skills that are worse than useless.
We have no real ISK and no prospect of earning much with our skills, all we earned went back into more blueprints etc. We can not invest in the new T2 ships as we don't have the skills and to be honest no longer trust CCP. We got burned once, not risking it again.
In fact thats what it boils down to, trust. You gave us the sandbox to make the game and now you don't like what we done you kick the damn sand in our face and change the rules.
You care little for the guys who spent months training to fly ships that are now worse than useless and think nothing of those who spent months of training and billions of ISK trying to make something wothwhile. I figure our little venture cost us around 30bil others I know have spent 2 or 3 times that.
I no longer have the inclination to attempt to try and plan for the future in Eve when you show so much contempt for the customer.
I will still enjoy my 1 account. I may not be on as much as I used to. I figure I can earn enough so that I don't even have to use real money to pay to play as I can simply buy a GTC.
CCP have done nothing for the small industrial player. All this effort into new T2 ships that only a fraction of the player base will be able to afford. T2 freighters that should have been Tier 2. New graphics engine that will sure look good on the advertising blurb you make but will make no diffenence to the average player.
You have not nerfed the carriers and drone ships you have obliterated them out of existance.
My suspened accounts will simply sit their with a long skill and when/if you give me something of interest then I may activate them.
Ah jeez man. Carriers have been changed, they're hardly "useless". Now they're fleet ships not solopwnmobiles so much as they were. It's not the end of the world.
Don't quit. That's not what this game is about.
I am not quiting. Just closing some accounts that serve no purpose, for the time being.
I am taking a break from all the **** that goes into building carriers.
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:50:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Atomic Eyez Well after many years in the game its time to cut back.
I have cancelled this account and will be down to one account by the end of the year. I have not seen my business partner for 2 weeks I think he quit or lost interest. Why you ask? If you didn't move on to next topic.
Cos you offer me nothing in the next or future patch's. I am an industrialist. Nothing more nothing less. I don't care too much for PVP, I like to build things and I let other people blow them up.
My business partner and I invested all we had into carrier production. We trained skills bought an extra account and now have over 30bil worth of usless blueprints for ships that no one wants and skills that are worse than useless.
We have no real ISK and no prospect of earning much with our skills, all we earned went back into more blueprints etc. We can not invest in the new T2 ships as we don't have the skills and to be honest no longer trust CCP. We got burned once, not risking it again.
In fact thats what it boils down to, trust. You gave us the sandbox to make the game and now you don't like what we done you kick the damn sand in our face and change the rules.
You care little for the guys who spent months training to fly ships that are now worse than useless and think nothing of those who spent months of training and billions of ISK trying to make something wothwhile. I figure our little venture cost us around 30bil others I know have spent 2 or 3 times that.
I no longer have the inclination to attempt to try and plan for the future in Eve when you show so much contempt for the customer.
I will still enjoy my 1 account. I may not be on as much as I used to. I figure I can earn enough so that I don't even have to use real money to pay to play as I can simply buy a GTC.
CCP have done nothing for the small industrial player. All this effort into new T2 ships that only a fraction of the player base will be able to afford. T2 freighters that should have been Tier 2. New graphics engine that will sure look good on the advertising blurb you make but will make no diffenence to the average player.
You have not nerfed the carriers and drone ships you have obliterated them out of existance.
My suspened accounts will simply sit their with a long skill and when/if you give me something of interest then I may activate them.
Ah jeez man. Carriers have been changed, they're hardly "useless". Now they're fleet ships not solopwnmobiles so much as they were. It's not the end of the world.
Don't quit. That's not what this game is about.
I am not quiting. Just closing some accounts that serve no purpose, for the time being.
I am taking a break from all the **** that goes into building carriers.
Ah well fair enough. Sometimes EvE can get a bit like a job, and like any other job you need a break now and then.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic 1. As a producer, you should be prepared for market volatility, maybe you should have diversified a bit instead of sinking your entire investment into carrier production. You got screwed over, but it's not CCP's fault any more than it is the Stock Market's fault for a bad investment.
There's a reason why companies IRL diversify their products/services/outputs even when starting out and their main product/service isnt stable yet. Its to allow the company to survive when any one of their products/services hit bottom. -
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Danzig256k
Caldari Mortal Devastating Kin
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:06:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Danzig256k on 09/11/2007 23:13:34 looking from a buyer's point of view, i look forward to potential price drop on carriers after the patch :)
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:07:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Originally by: Tarminic 1. As a producer, you should be prepared for market volatility, maybe you should have diversified a bit instead of sinking your entire investment into carrier production. You got screwed over, but it's not CCP's fault any more than it is the Stock Market's fault for a bad investment.
There's a reason why companies IRL diversify their products/services/outputs even when starting out and their main product/service isnt stable yet. Its to allow the company to survive when any one of their products/services hit bottom.
I know. But being this is a game and not real life and real money I figured they would rejoice in the success of the capital industry and not screw it.
So I got it wrong, as did the poor sods who trained the skills for a ship that no longer serves the purpose people trained it for. We got burnt. Time to move on.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:08:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Danzig256k looking from a buyer's point of view, i look for to potential price drop on carriers after the patch :)
Where there are losers there will be winners. Lucky you, poor me.
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:15:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Tarminic 1. As a producer, you should be prepared for market volatility, maybe you should have diversified a bit instead of sinking your entire investment into carrier production. You got screwed over, but it's not CCP's fault any more than it is the Stock Market's fault for a bad investment.
Also, since carriers are now completely useless I'll be happy to take all of your carrier production-related stuff. Obviously you won't need it anymore, right?
Its a fair point and you are indeed correct. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and if I could turn the clock back I would. I simply don't have the will to try again. My remaining character will have all the assets and I hope in time they will be of use again.
But at the moment I have characters that have been trained to build capital ships and they are simply not needed. There is an oversupply of capital ships and most T1 ships as well. No point in paying real money to keep them building thin air.
As people adapt, as they always seem to do in Eve, then maybe carriers will become needed but with 10,000 of them out there I fear it will be sometime before there that happens.
Uhm, it sounds like you low sec. Go back to hi-sec and make ships and other stuff there. I have the ability to buy low priced goods in one system and sell them for 10x the amount I paid in another system. If I can do that with simple buying and selling, you cut me out of the loop and you can make lots of isk. ________________________
Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
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Caiman Graystock
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:17:00 -
[56]
That is a recipe for disaster and confusion
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CapitaneInterbutts
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:31:00 -
[57]
Oh you moron.
Carriers will still be required for alliance warfare. Carriers will still be used daily. Carriers will still be lost daily. Carriers will still be bought for the exact price they are now. They are in no way shape or form useless, nor are the blueprints that build them.
Stop whining like a little *****.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:33:00 -
[58]
Edited by: d026 on 09/11/2007 23:33:33
Originally by: Verone =)
is this you?
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Pitt Bull
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:34:00 -
[59]
Oh you're leaving?
Originally by: iiOs can I have your stuff?
I'm newer, me first!!
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:40:00 -
[60]
Originally by: CapitaneInterbutts Oh you moron.
Carriers will still be required for alliance warfare. Carriers will still be used daily. Carriers will still be lost daily. Carriers will still be bought for the exact price they are now. They are in no way shape or form useless, nor are the blueprints that build them.
Stop whining like a little *****.
You are a tad rude and ignorant but we get all types in eve.
At the moment a carrier is used for many things by many people such as hauler, PVP'ers, Ratter and a fleet support ship.
Sure they will still be used as a fleet support ship and some will die.
At the moment however there is a huge surplus of ships and there will be more as folks sell them on as they won't be able to use them for the purpose they intended. You see my ignorant poster, you lack the common sense to check the market, contracts to see that there are 100's of carriers for sale at the moment, and there will be more as the patch approaches.
Very few carriers I sold were sold for Alliance Warefare. It will be many months before the market recovers and with so many corps now making them there will not be a supply problem.
You sir are the moron and I award you a moron hat to wear when you start class on Monday morning.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:42:00 -
[61]
If you are leaving, please leave already.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:48:00 -
[62]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt If you are leaving, please leave already.
IF you bothered to read the post then you will see I am simply suspending some accounts that no longer serve any purpose in the game thanks to the actions of CCP.
This character will be suspened on the 22nd Novemeber and you will have to wait until then.
Thanks for your understanding and excellent contribution to this post. I am sure everyone reading it will gain an insight into your maturity and see you for what you really are.
Good luck to you, for I fear you will need all the help you can get.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:50:00 -
[63]
Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 09/11/2007 23:33:33
Originally by: Verone =)
is this you?
No.
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Taint
Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:53:00 -
[64]
Originally by: iiOs can I have your stuff?
but.... i want hes stuff
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Pitt Bull
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:54:00 -
[65]
Atomic Eyez; you will be missed by so many people here. All of our hearts go out to you and we hope you get help.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:59:00 -
[66]
Whannnn.... booo... cry... weep...
Not that I've cried for you, my poor, poor industrialist with 30 billion isk in blueprints, how about you give them to me since you're leaving.
I mean, after all they're worthless now anyway, right?
-Karlemgne
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:01:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Pitt Bull Atomic Eyez; you will be missed by so many people here. All of our hearts go out to you and we hope you get help.
I don't know that I need any help but I thank you for your kind words. It heartening to know that people actually care.
I too will miss you. I will put you in my buddy list and if I ever come back then maybe we can have a beer or two.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:06:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Karlemgne Whannnn.... booo... cry... weep...
Not that I've cried for you, my poor, poor industrialist with 30 billion isk in blueprints, how about you give them to me since you're leaving.
I mean, after all they're worthless now anyway, right?
-Karlemgne
I am touched by your tears, you are another sad to see me leave.
But worry not. The BPO's will be kept nice and safe. I could give them to you but they have caused me so much grief, pain and suffering I feel sure they are cursed.
I will tell you what, i will keep them under lock and key to stop anyone suffering the way I have suffered.
Its the kindest thing to do really, its for your own good.
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Siresa Talesi
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:08:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Theo Samaritan
Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Baleur How can you complain that carriers are useless, BEFORE the change has affected the market? Geez, chill down a bit and just keep making those ships, keep selling em. And dont tell me you wont make a profit, dont tell me its useless. lol
I suggest you check the market and contracts. Plenty of supply, some demand. Lots of folks selling their carriers and competing with producers. Others holding on to their ISK to buy a new T2 BS etc.
It take a **** load of hauling and time to make a carrier. Simply not worth the effort at the moment. Who knows that the future will bring, but right now, its pointless.
So its not about the change, more about the fact the carrier market is over saturated.
You can mkae capitals, build dreads!
This whole issue illustrates an interesting economic point. It's not always important whether or not an item has any real value, but rather whether or not it has perceived value in the marketplace. Regardless of whether the changes to carriers will be implemented as stated, or if those changes really will have a negative impact on carrier use or not, as long as enough people believe that those changes will devalue carriers, demand will drop and so will the price. How far and how fast it drops will affect how long it will be before the carrier market stabilizes again. This type of effect was among the causes of the 1929 stock market crash. Anyway, there's a little econ lesson for everyone, just so you can't say you don't learn anything from computer games.
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Tiger313
313th Squadron
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:15:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Atomic Eyez Yaddayaddayadda
If you're an industrialist, then you of all people should know you shouldn't place all your bets on one product. But that's just my opinion, one ofcourse doesn't nescessarily have to agree with me.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:16:00 -
[71]
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:20:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Siresa Talesi
Originally by: Theo Samaritan
Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Baleur How can you complain that carriers are useless, BEFORE the change has affected the market? Geez, chill down a bit and just keep making those ships, keep selling em. And dont tell me you wont make a profit, dont tell me its useless. lol
I suggest you check the market and contracts. Plenty of supply, some demand. Lots of folks selling their carriers and competing with producers. Others holding on to their ISK to buy a new T2 BS etc.
It take a **** load of hauling and time to make a carrier. Simply not worth the effort at the moment. Who knows that the future will bring, but right now, its pointless.
So its not about the change, more about the fact the carrier market is over saturated.
You can mkae capitals, build dreads!
This whole issue illustrates an interesting economic point. It's not always important whether or not an item has any real value, but rather whether or not it has perceived value in the marketplace. Regardless of whether the changes to carriers will be implemented as stated, or if those changes really will have a negative impact on carrier use or not, as long as enough people believe that those changes will devalue carriers, demand will drop and so will the price. How far and how fast it drops will affect how long it will be before the carrier market stabilizes again. This type of effect was among the causes of the 1929 stock market crash. Anyway, there's a little econ lesson for everyone, just so you can't say you don't learn anything from computer games.
Any change can have a cascade effect, as the proposed carrier/drone nerf has had.
If 50 fewer carriers are produced per week then that will leader to fewer carrier mods/drones being build which leads down the chain to the supply of the building blocks, the minerals. Mineral demand will drop, a little maybe but it will drop.
I used to spend billons on minerals every week. Now I don't spend 1sk on them. I am sure I am not alone.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:21:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Tiger313
Originally by: Atomic Eyez Yaddayaddayadda
If you're an industrialist, then you of all people should know you shouldn't place all your bets on one product. But that's just my opinion, one ofcourse doesn't nescessarily have to agree with me.
In this case I agree with you. As I have agreed with the 3 or 4 other people who has pointed out the error of my ways.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:22:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Kruel
Thank you for using what is no doubt a copyrighted image on my account.
Maybe you should link it next time.
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Leya Marcsson
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:29:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Leya Marcsson on 10/11/2007 00:29:36
good bye!
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:30:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Leya Marcsson Edited by: Leya Marcsson on 10/11/2007 00:29:36
good bye!
Ta Ta
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General StarScream
THE DECEPTIC0NS
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:36:00 -
[77]
stay around, dont mind all the sucky pvp pilots trying to scare of a builder, since they fear you might fly out to space and kill them,
just build those carriers they are still of very good use. Sig Removed. Dont use inappropriate language in sigs -Kaemonn |
Snake Doctor
MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:47:00 -
[78]
You could always transfer your characters to me- I'll use them for macro killing.
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Tiger313
313th Squadron
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:52:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Tiger313
Originally by: Atomic Eyez Yaddayaddayadda
If you're an industrialist, then you of all people should know you shouldn't place all your bets on one product. But that's just my opinion, one ofcourse doesn't nescessarily have to agree with me.
In this case I agree with you. As I have agreed with the 3 or 4 other people who has pointed out the error of my ways.
Didn't mean to rub it in or anything, I was just baffled by the fact you spent that much isk on one single product. Wouldn't toss those BPO's away just yet though. You never know, people may just lose their precious carriers a bit faster and buy more of'm. :)
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:54:00 -
[80]
Why not just liquidate and go into something else? I produce tech 2 modules and make 300m a day. Maybe I'll keep doing that but my margins have been getting smaller. Perhaps I will make tech 2 freighters? Or maybe battleships? I heard the HICs are pretty OP so maybe I'll make those. Hell maybe I'll just make tech 2 components, the demand for those is likely to go through the roof and the margins will undoubtedly increase. Hell I've even been considering setting up a 4 POS complete reaction chain for making Ferrogel or Fermionic Condensates. The margins on that are pretty good with very little work.
Lots of options. You can't fall in love too much with one idea and if it doesn't work out (whether by CCP changing the game or your own miscalculations) just try something else.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 01:04:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Snake Doctor You could always transfer your characters to me- I'll use them for macro killing.
Thats very kind of you but I was thinking of moving in to macro mining as this never seems to get nerf'd. Seems to be more of them all time to be honest.
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Arii Smith
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.11.10 01:07:00 -
[82]
Lol hilarity, this is not even a "I am cancelling my account" thread, this is a "I am cancelling my alts" thread. What a joke.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 01:12:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Tiger313
Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Tiger313
Originally by: Atomic Eyez Yaddayaddayadda
If you're an industrialist, then you of all people should know you shouldn't place all your bets on one product. But that's just my opinion, one ofcourse doesn't nescessarily have to agree with me.
In this case I agree with you. As I have agreed with the 3 or 4 other people who has pointed out the error of my ways.
Didn't mean to rub it in or anything, I was just baffled by the fact you spent that much isk on one single product. Wouldn't toss those BPO's away just yet though. You never know, people may just lose their precious carriers a bit faster and buy more of'm. :)
We was bored and wanted a new challenge. We figured the carriers where a multi-use ship with increasing demand and could turn a half decent proffit.
At the time we didn't realise how much hard work it was and the more we built and sold the more we invested. Our other interests suffered and it was easier to concentrate on this single project rather than be too spread out. So all income was invested into more BPO's and just as we had hit our maximum capacity CCP stomped on us from a great height.
Looking back we made mistakes. Maybe in time we can get them started again but we need to take a step back evaluate our options. For the time being we can put the BPO's in the labs, make copies or research them a tad more. This account can not help with that and thus it gets shut down. If I had been able to train for some decent R&D agents it could have carried on research whilst dormant but that will take too long.
Thanks for your concern, I know you where not trying to run it in.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 01:13:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Arii Smith Lol hilarity, this is not even a "I am cancelling my account" thread, this is a "I am cancelling my alts" thread. What a joke.
I have brought a smile to your face. If nothing else I done what no one else could do. Enjoy it, you may even like it.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 01:16:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Benvie Why not just liquidate and go into something else? I produce tech 2 modules and make 300m a day. Maybe I'll keep doing that but my margins have been getting smaller. Perhaps I will make tech 2 freighters? Or maybe battleships? I heard the HICs are pretty OP so maybe I'll make those. Hell maybe I'll just make tech 2 components, the demand for those is likely to go through the roof and the margins will undoubtedly increase. Hell I've even been considering setting up a 4 POS complete reaction chain for making Ferrogel or Fermionic Condensates. The margins on that are pretty good with very little work.
Lots of options. You can't fall in love too much with one idea and if it doesn't work out (whether by CCP changing the game or your own miscalculations) just try something else.
To be honest I am tired. After putting so much time and effort (and a fair chunk of isk) into a project only to see it flounder I don't have the will to start over at the moment. Maybe in time I will do something different, until then I will just take it easy and await the patch and see what happens.
Thanks for your advice, it is most welcome.
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Dirk Magnum
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.10 01:17:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Lars Lodar Another Drama Queen bites the dust.
I can't believe so many of you people are going nuts over a patch that hasn't even finalized. And drone ships are hardly 'obliterated out of existence'. The Eos and Myrmidon can't field 5 heavy drones and it is the end of the world?
Both those ships shouldn't be able to fit those drones anyway. A fleet command ship shouldn't be a DPS Solopwnmobil and the Myrmidon needed balancing for a long time coming.
Once you get over yourself, you might be able to see that CCP is moving the game in a good direction. CCP not catering to the crying babies in the forums is hardly contempt for the customer.
Stay constructive, offer suggestions, act like an adult and maybe CCP would be more keep to address your concerns.
This is superbly stated. We have no idea how demand for carriers and other affected ships will actually change in the next patch. People may find that life goes on despite only have five fighters they personally control, and that the cargo nerf isn't the end of the world either.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 01:26:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Lars Lodar Another Drama Queen bites the dust.
I can't believe so many of you people are going nuts over a patch that hasn't even finalized. And drone ships are hardly 'obliterated out of existence'. The Eos and Myrmidon can't field 5 heavy drones and it is the end of the world?
Both those ships shouldn't be able to fit those drones anyway. A fleet command ship shouldn't be a DPS Solopwnmobil and the Myrmidon needed balancing for a long time coming.
Once you get over yourself, you might be able to see that CCP is moving the game in a good direction. CCP not catering to the crying babies in the forums is hardly contempt for the customer.
Stay constructive, offer suggestions, act like an adult and maybe CCP would be more keep to address your concerns.
This is superbly stated. We have no idea how demand for carriers and other affected ships will actually change in the next patch. People may find that life goes on despite only have five fighters they personally control, and that the cargo nerf isn't the end of the world either.
I have seen the effect of the proposed nerf. I had many cancelled orders within a few days of the nerf being announced.
True, the nerf may not be as bad but I have stocks of carriers not selling and an account that needed paying or suspending. Account was trained for Carrier Construction and carrier cyno.
If things improve then maybe I will start up again but I figure many carriers will be sold to fund Ore Ships and Tech II freighters. This will throw the market out as some folks will sell at cost or even take a loss just to get some isk. We build for proffit pure and simple, no point in building something that people will sell at less than cost.
Maybe some will even be recycled for the components to build the freighters or for a good stack of base minerals in 0.0.
Will be some time before the market picks up.
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.11.10 01:44:00 -
[88]
The OP is actually correct. You have to understand that s/he is not complaining about the nerf directly, but the fact that OTHER PEOPLE are overreacting (as you accuse him/her of doing) and as a result the carrier/mothership market is going to hell. You need only take one look at the Sell Orders forum to realize this is true. Regardless, things change in this game and you either adapt or quit. CCP doesn't really care.
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Allan Robertson
Gallente Azure Horizon Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.11.10 01:55:00 -
[89]
I'm going to agree and sympathize with the OP, EVE over the last 2 years or so has moved ever closer to a one sided type of game, mostly combat and PvP. And I've not seen EVE getting any bigger, the average amount of players on have never really gone passed 35k. And every patch I see, there is more and more to cater for the PvP lobby and little for industrialists.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.10 07:07:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 09/11/2007 21:45:52 If it helps, CCP loses your account but gains two accounts. :)
If you really want to, you could always move into different production. And if you really want to leave, please biomass your toons then come post in the forums and I will take you very seriously. :)
I'm waiting for your quitting post, I got beer, tunes and some partyhats.
Dude, you don't want to wait for me to quit this game coz you will have to wait forever. :(
I am also thinking of getting a power of 2 even I may not use both accounts much. CCP can always have my money and two Jenny Spitfires on the forums is totally priceless. :) --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Posted - 2007.11.10 07:27:00 -
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I can see your point eve is a long term strategy game ( ie: it takes months sometimes years to train for your strategy and gather the stuff needed for it )and if they keep drastically changing the rules all the time you won't be the only one who gets fed up with it.
People say adapt ...just spend another 6 mths or year training for something else which will doubtless be changed by the time you get to it. CCP if you insist on having such long skill times you need a certain amount of stability.
Either reduce skill times drasctically or stabilise your game. Constant change is crap with long skill times.
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Jaikar Isillia
Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.10 07:27:00 -
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Ah carebear tears. I'll be lucky to ever keep my wallet over 1B and you are whining about not making billions in profit every month. I tell you what, I'll give you 1 million isk for a kleenex BPO.
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Leora Nomen
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Posted - 2007.11.10 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lars Lodar Another Drama Queen bites the dust.
I can't believe so many of you people are going nuts over a patch that hasn't even finalized.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.10 09:04:00 -
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You fail to realize that cap ships are not done. A couple of roles may get defined, but in the long run, most cap pilots have multi accounts and can serve as their own wingmen if needed. The carrier is a fleet support ship. Not a solo gate camper...
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Posted - 2007.11.10 09:28:00 -
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To quote Stavros...
Wah, Wah, Wah... Cry, Cry, Cry...
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jaikar Isillia Ah carebear tears. I'll be lucky to ever keep my wallet over 1B and you are whining about not making billions in profit every month. I tell you what, I'll give you 1 million isk for a kleenex BPO.
Once again another who has failed to read the post. I do not recall sheading any tears and and if I wanted to make billions there are easier ways.
But I will take the million thanks.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai You fail to realize that cap ships are not done. A couple of roles may get defined, but in the long run, most cap pilots have multi accounts and can serve as their own wingmen if needed. The carrier is a fleet support ship. Not a solo gate camper...
With all due respect I think you will find the vast majority of carriers where bought and used for anything but front line combat.
They are much less of a ship than they used to be and as such will appeal to fewer people and the deamand will fall.
I just built them and its no longer worth the effort to make them as they can't be sold. The situation is likly to get worse as people dispose of them to raise ISK for the alternatives.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.11.10 10:21:00 -
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I wouldn't give up on your carrier production just yet.
I do realize you've probably had a slowdown, that is normal before a new expansion comes out. Folks buy fewer ships and save their isk for new toys.
Once the patch hits and folks get more used to the new rules the demand will return :) (at least I hope :) ).
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mecinia Lua I wouldn't give up on your carrier production just yet.
I do realize you've probably had a slowdown, that is normal before a new expansion comes out. Folks buy fewer ships and save their isk for new toys.
Once the patch hits and folks get more used to the new rules the demand will return :) (at least I hope :) ).
Most of our ISK is tied up in carriers produced, in production and on the market.
I figure it will be after Xmas before the market will reflect the new position. Thats time to make a few copies and/or do a bit more research. I will not make any more carriers until the situation becomes clear and if it does improve I will have stock to sell.
No point in paying for an account to sit idle may as well train capital construction to lvl 5 free of charge.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.10 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Tarminic 1. As a producer, you should be prepared for market volatility, maybe you should have diversified a bit instead of sinking your entire investment into carrier production. You got screwed over, but it's not CCP's fault any more than it is the Stock Market's fault for a bad investment.
Also, since carriers are now completely useless I'll be happy to take all of your carrier production-related stuff. Obviously you won't need it anymore, right?
Its a fair point and you are indeed correct. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and if I could turn the clock back I would. I simply don't have the will to try again. My remaining character will have all the assets and I hope in time they will be of use again.
But at the moment I have characters that have been trained to build capital ships and they are simply not needed. There is an oversupply of capital ships and most T1 ships as well. No point in paying real money to keep them building thin air.
As people adapt, as they always seem to do in Eve, then maybe carriers will become needed but with 10,000 of them out there I fear it will be sometime before there that happens.
So you have noticed that the real problem is that the carrier market is easily oversaturated and that the alliance that more easily puse and loose them probably build them in house.
But can't you recycle at least part of yuour production?
You are building capitals part (or at elast I hope you and your associates weren't building the carrier from brought parts). The new jump freighters will need capital parts, maybe even the new jump capable BS.
So what BPO you have available and researched that can be used to produce those parts? Who is buing them? Can you find a costumer for them?
I think that even if you have locked most of your capital in a activity that currently is not paying back, you can still try to salvage it and get you activity to work, what you need is the will.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.10 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: iiOs can I have your stuff?
Sure, Send me 30bil and its yours
Bah, I thought it was worth having.
Just cancel the account. -
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: iiOs can I have your stuff?
Sure, Send me 30bil and its yours
Bah, I thought it was worth having.
Just cancel the account.
Your wish is my command. Account was cancelled yesterday and will expire on the 22nd November whilst training capital construction lvl 5.
Maybe I can build T2 carriers in the future
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Glengrant
Minmatar TOHA Heavy Industries Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.10 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Atomic Eyez You care little for the guys who spent months training to fly ships that are now worse than useless and think nothing of those who spent months of training and billions of ISK trying to make something wothwhile. I figure our little venture cost us around 30bil others I know have spent 2 or 3 times that.
1. "worse than useless" - is a useless exaggeration. Even if the changes discussed and in "testing" (<- think about the meaning of this word for a second :-) ) would go live Carriers are far from useless. Claiming otherwise is plain silly.
2. You make the common mistake of mistaking the comments of the vocal few as the literal truth. Those most enraged are those most likely to post - that creates false impressions on the forums.
3. I'm still training for Carrier.
Any order cancellations at this time will be insecurity over what happens. Demand will recover after the patch is released and people realize (as with so many other patches before when the sky did not fall down as predicted by the angry exaggerators) that the changes aren't as crippling as they thought and the dust will settle and Carriers will still be useful and in demand.
I bet that a few weeks after relase total carrier number won't even see a dent.
We had these storms many times before. Every time the end of Eve was predicted, people leaving by thousands, etc... Never really happened. Don't ee what's different this time.
Whiners will whine - that's all.
Between some reasonable arguments (all too rare sadly) and testing CCP will implement a more or less sensible fix eventually. If they overdo it they will patch it again a while later.
Everybody calm down and relax a bit.
I've seen arguments like the carrier or drone bandwidth debate too many times - it's beyond silly.
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Araxmas
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
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Posted - 2007.11.10 12:33:00 -
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Quite funny how that in-game I don't hear anyone whining about carriers. Yet on forums it's like the apocalypse has come. --------
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.10 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Glengrant
Originally by: Atomic Eyez You care little for the guys who spent months training to fly ships that are now worse than useless and think nothing of those who spent months of training and billions of ISK trying to make something wothwhile. I figure our little venture cost us around 30bil others I know have spent 2 or 3 times that.
1. "worse than useless" - is a useless exaggeration. Even if the changes discussed and in "testing" (<- think about the meaning of this word for a second :-) ) would go live Carriers are far from useless. Claiming otherwise is plain silly.
2. You make the common mistake of mistaking the comments of the vocal few as the literal truth. Those most enraged are those most likely to post - that creates false impressions on the forums.
3. I'm still training for Carrier.
Any order cancellations at this time will be insecurity over what happens. Demand will recover after the patch is released and people realize (as with so many other patches before when the sky did not fall down as predicted by the angry exaggerators) that the changes aren't as crippling as they thought and the dust will settle and Carriers will still be useful and in demand.
I bet that a few weeks after relase total carrier number won't even see a dent.
We had these storms many times before. Every time the end of Eve was predicted, people leaving by thousands, etc... Never really happened. Don't ee what's different this time.
Whiners will whine - that's all.
Between some reasonable arguments (all too rare sadly) and testing CCP will implement a more or less sensible fix eventually. If they overdo it they will patch it again a while later.
Everybody calm down and relax a bit.
I've seen arguments like the carrier or drone bandwidth debate too many times - it's beyond silly.
Whilst the uncertanty exists I can not afford to build the ships and support a character thats sole purpose is building these very same ships.
When a popular ship loses so many roles the customers are likly to find alternatives and so will not buy the ship. This has happend and until the new role carriers will play is better defined following the changes then people will be cautious. Perhaps in time demand will increase, but I can not waste real money in supporting accounts that serve no purpose at the moment.
Hence the account is soon to hibernate.
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Trass
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.10 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Trass on 10/11/2007 13:16:04
Originally by: Atomic Eyez Well after many years in the game its time to cut back.
I have cancelled this account and will be down to one account by the end of the year. I have not seen my business partner for 2 weeks I think he quit or lost interest.
Its because CCP hate old players. They have many SP, ISKs and they see things... things like inflation, like nerfs everything, they know what it means. And old players talk with noob players, they starting to switch noobs against ccp - so? So we hurt old players.
Eve is very laggy but ccp still doing what they can to increase number of new players. Why? New players = more cash. They give new players 10 times better starter account (80k sp vs 800k sp), they lower advanced learning skills requirements, they kill minerals market so mining "low end" ore in empire is more profitable than hi end in 0.0 space. But old players got nerfs, nerfs and more nerfs. T2 amunition nerf, T2 ships nerf, capital nerf etc...
CCP is a company, like many others, and number one in their target is: CASH. And all what they say that its only balancing, that their ballance is good for players, good for us: its a cheap propaganda, nothing more.
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