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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2004.03.04 05:38:00 -
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To all those who think this is the first time this has happened.
Its not. Maybe Yulai system this time, but it has happened before.
Mara Passari.
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Imperishable
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Posted - 2004.03.04 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Imperishable on 04/03/2004 06:05:24
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You have just discouraged 100 beginners from playing this game. You destroyed weeks of their work, and it's really hard to get started.
This is a common misconception. I started the game just a couple months ago, so I still remember my totally-newb days. The one thing that discouraged me most was the lack of action. Nothing was ever happening. I joined some noob corp and it had some other noob people and they lost ships to various things, sometimes, and none of them took those losses seriously. It's a freaken game, you can't always win. And in this game, you barely ever die as a noob. And you have virtually nothing to lose either, clone is dirt cheap, ship is dirt cheap. Your corp will happily give you the money to buy all the best stuff your skills can support. It's ok for noobs to lose a few ships, why is that so hard to understand?
What you should be concerned about is people who hunt down particular noobs, killing them over and over again. Random kills are not it. Plus Zombie stayed in one place, it was easy to avoid. If anything, this was just educational material for them. It's hardly anything worth quiting a game for, unless you joined with idea that this is Sims Online in space and any form of violence gives you heart attack.
So stop being so paranoid about the noobs, mmkay?
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Zasra
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Posted - 2004.03.04 06:07:00 -
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[quote
This is a common misconception. I started the game just a couple months ago, so I still remember my totally-newb days. The one thing that discouraged me most was the lack of action. Nothing was ever happening. I joined some noob corp and it had some other noob people and they lost ships to various things, sometimes, and none of them took those losses seriously. It's a freaken game, you can't always win. And in this game, you barely ever die as a noob. And you have virtually nothing to lose either, clone is dirt cheap, ship is dirt cheap. Your corp will happily give you the money to buy all the best stuff your skills can support. It's ok for noobs to lose a few ships, why is that so hard to understand?
That's good for you, but do you speak for every type of player, or are you implying that your style of play is the only one that should be supported, and everyone else can be damned?
I seriously doubt CCP is only trying to appeal to your playstyle. From what I can tell they are trying to be more than just a niche game that appeals to the UO Felluca 'serial-killa' type player. Somewhere in the middle is probably more likely.
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Dark Kas
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Posted - 2004.03.04 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Kas on 04/03/2004 06:18:25
I got killed by them last night aswell and i wasn't afk i just couldn't warp out fast enough or get my shield boosters to run fast enough so my nice new and shiney Thorax was destoryed and so was my pod seen as it couldn't even warp that fast hope zombie inc. liked the loot from me glad i had nothing else of vaule
Kas
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Ilara
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Posted - 2004.03.04 06:23:00 -
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I was a victim of this too. I've been playing a whole week and this really came as a surprise. I was helping some corp mate transport and had come through this area not 10 minutes or so before it started. It was quiet then, why would I have thought it'd have all of a sudden become a kill fest. Especially since 1.0 space was supposed to be fairly secure.
I didn't expect to jump to an area and get hit with smart bomb after smart bomb, or to be unable to even think of getting away. But I was lucky my ship was empty and I was insured. So I made money off the death. ;)
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Xeris
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:30:00 -
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To all those who think this is the first time this has happened.
Its not. Maybe Yulai system this time, but it has happened before.
Mara Passari.
Last time I checked, neither of those were 1.0 systems. Totally different situations.
All I got to say to Zombie is:  |
Dark Kas
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:31:00 -
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U where lucky i couldn't insure mines as i had spent all my isk on my thorax.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:31:00 -
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This is very lame, and yet I can't help but admire the sheer audacity and ingenuity of it, and the outright thumbs expression right at CCP itself.
Somehow I feel this is a profound turning point in the game.
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"Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies,
"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:36:00 -
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GM's replaced my stuff \o/
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Dark Kas
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:39:00 -
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How did u manage that???
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:50:00 -
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petition?
This is not a hijack
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Dark Kas
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:54:00 -
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never thought of that! But will that actually work???
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Mirimon
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:59:00 -
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Ganja, in another post you said drunkenmaster was recording it? Oooooh, I want to see it, make sure he posts it!
"Then I guess I have no choice...but to kill you all." |
Rodge
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Posted - 2004.03.04 08:08:00 -
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Yeah, much as I don't agree with what Zombie did, I would like to see a video of the action.
Don't think they've too much to fear from releasing it as the devs will have records of everyone that was involved.
We were due to travel back through Yulai last night, but guys on our corp channel were screaming "Avoid Yulai at all costs!"
Had to take a peek though, after buying a shuttle in Amarr and making sure my clone was up to date. Was too late to see the main action though 
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Dark Kas
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Posted - 2004.03.04 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Kas on 04/03/2004 08:15:20
I got a nice view of my ship failing apart around and my pod blowing up but is that right that this could be a new type expolt???
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Mirimon
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Posted - 2004.03.04 08:12:00 -
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Hahaha, holy sh*t I just went on to swicth a skill....I looked at Yula and the ships destroyed in last 24 hours...228, that is nuts! Wish I was there to see it! And uh...yea sorry to the people that died...that, uhh, sucks.
"Then I guess I have no choice...but to kill you all." |
Monty Burns
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Posted - 2004.03.04 08:30:00 -
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Your gona get spanked Zombie for such a crime , but congrats for having the "minerals" to do it!
Darwin 4tw
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Xeraan
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Posted - 2004.03.04 08:35:00 -
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concerning the "ban" Discussion - donŠt you wonder why none of the Zombies showed up here yet ?
maybe they canŠt ?
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jello
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: jello on 04/03/2004 09:18:07
Surely at the end of the day its up to ccp to make a decision.
1. Prevent this from happening, i am sure they can make it so no shooting can be done in 1.0 space
or
2. Leave it as is. In which case those who carried out the attacks should not be banned, and these tactics classed as legitimate.
Until ccp make that decision stop moaning and live with it.
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:24:00 -
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Quote:
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To all those who think this is the first time this has happened.
Its not. Maybe Yulai system this time, but it has happened before.
Mara Passari.
Last time I checked, neither of those were 1.0 systems. Totally different situations.
All I got to say to Zombie is:
yeah it was a diffrent situation.. not so mutch diffrent.. m0o used things that was availble to al but not balanced.. they dident get banned so why should zombie.. 
yeah yeah 1.0 so if they had done it in 0.9 it wouldve been more okey  m0o dident get banned zombie shouldnt either  they where first also.. and didnt the ship that was doing the aggression die eventualy? casue i cant think of one way that he couldve gotten away from that position alive.. a maybe a few ways but thats ways thats like every other thing thats being disscused  anyway they have stated that if you get away when you attack in 1.0 its an exploit yeah.. but supporting a ship aint so they did what they where allowd to do.. just alittle sad loophole
anyway its not an exploit until its said one and supporting a ship wasnt befor they did it anyway
only thing im getting angry about is that now the devs will work on this first and make a fix for it and probably make shiva 1 month later cause they had to fix this now
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:25:00 -
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But now they all get banned?
I hope so..
Not that I mind PVP I dont but 1.0 is for noobs who have just started (Mostly) and Im sure they reall could have tried to mount a counter attack with their Whopping 20 thousand skill points!!
Exploiting Game Mechanics is a No No and they should have known better.
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
Roog
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:27:00 -
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Hi,
I think I turned up late to this. By the time my
corp mates and I arrived most of the shooting had
stopped (we're in a newbie corp so just popped
along for a look). I warped in at about 60km and
after quite a long load time saw an amazing sight
(hundreds of ships). We had someone who travelled
over 40 jumps just to see. He said it was worth
the journey.
Apart from a small amount of lag as I initially
warped in I was surprised to see how well
everything ran. (The only problem was that I
seemed to gain a white gas cloud around my ship.
Which someone guessed at being the shield
hardening graphic). So good job to CCP on all
their server side improvements for large fleets.
I'm not going to comment on whether what they did
is right or wrong. What I will say is that they
probably chose a bad day. Patch day, everyone at
CCP was probably very tired after dealing with all
the petitions etc. from that and to then have to
deal with this 'situation'.
Roog
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:30:00 -
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I thought the whole thing was rather sweet.
The problem as I see it is that concord are only a minor threat to an organised team.
If CCP wished for this sort of thing to never happen, they could easily make concord far more powerful (one-shot kill powerful).
As it is, they just represent a challenge.
Zombie stepped up to the challenge.
For reasons quite beyond my comprehension, my name was bought into this. Quite why, I don't know, but I was getting convos in game, and in IRC all over the place last night.
I was just the cameraman. I was sitting in a shuttle 160km away from the fight. I didn't know what they were planning until they started.
I congratulate them.
And to the guy who said it was 'just killing noobies'... get a grip, they were killing *everything* indiscriminately. I noticed josh calvert at the gate for approximately 8 seconds, and a few other people I recognised.
What strikes me as the *worst* thing, is that, out of the 100-200 non-hostiles at the gate, *NOBODY* tried to do anything about it. They all just waited for the GM's to come in and fix it for them.
As I sat there recording the fun and poddings, I was going through the various ways an 'upstanding' player/corp could have stopped it.
Had a few people or a corp actually done something about this, their names would be almost as well known as Zombies now are. Can you imagine the carebear respect you would get for ending a situation like this? People would be sending you fur samples for a month...
The more I think about it, the more I realise I should have been picking off the spectators while concord were busy...
Maybe next time CCP make the so-called 'biggest threat in the game' no more than an average challenge...
Well played, Zombie.
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Xeris
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:32:00 -
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yeah it was a diffrent situation.. not so mutch diffrent.. m0o used things that was availble to al but not balanced.. they dident get banned so why should zombie..
No, its totally different because when m0o did it, there were no sentry guns and no concord attacks that were avoided.
As for Zombie getting banned, I don't care either way; if they do go out, thats one heck of bang to do it on. |
Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:37:00 -
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omg @ Jello's sig
I feel slightly arroused now
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jazz Bo on 04/03/2004 09:43:12
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To all those who think this is the first time this has happened.
Its not. Maybe Yulai system this time, but it has happened before.
Mara Passari.
Stop repeating that. Those are both 0.4 systems, always have been.
It's simple: you can tank sentry gun fire in 0.4 and below, but you can't tank Concord in 0.5 or above.
But it's true that the correct response from CCP would be to make the Concord fleets uber-powerful, untankable and unkillable, so they don't have to ban anyone. Banning is never a good way to solve problems like this, you just lose innovative players.
Yulai is supposed to one of the safest systems of all, so let's think of a RL scenario:
A bunch or terrorists go to Wall Street, Manhattan and start shooting people randomly. What do you thinkis likely to happen?
1. Only the local police precinct's cops arrive in their normal squad cars, and fail to kill the terrorists, dying one by one.
OR
2. The National Guard and the Army arrive in tanks and assault helicopters and blow the terrorists to itty-bitty pieces.
Only in Eve is option "1" currently the correct answer. Needs fixing methinks.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Elizabeth Powers
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:47:00 -
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Game news -
Regarding the mass killings in Yulai last night (4th of March)
As a lot of you are aware, a certain corp willingly exploited a fault in the game mechanics and managed to kill over a 100 people in the supposedly secure Yulai system last night. We have decreed that those who were the recipiants of this heinous crime will be fully reimbursed for their loss. If you are one of those who lost your belongings and still havenŠt petitioned us, please do so and we will see to it that your possessions are returned to you. The exploiters have received a ban for their efforts and anyone thinking of following their example should be aware that the same fate awaits them. - The GM Team
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Coreantes
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:48:00 -
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It will not help ATTRACT new players, thats for sure...
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Morning Maniac
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:52:00 -
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Like Drunkenmaster said, everyone was just sitting around doing nothing about it. I had a look too and then went to get my battleship in the hope I could help concord taking out the aggressor, once his sec status would get low enough so concord wouldn't get me. Unfortunately by the time I got back Zombie had left. I am sure if everyone there would have helped out we could have stopped it. There is only so much damage people can tank for (I think )
I don't think Zombie should get banned although some punishment is in order. In itself they showed a flaw in the game, Concord not being powerful enough, but they should have stopped once a GM told them too. Exploit or not, when you're asked by a GM to do whatever you do so, for the benefit of the game.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:55:00 -
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News just in - Concord are mining in Pator belts to build more ships
Concord please contact me, I have an intelligence implant you can buy
Props to Zombie
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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