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Cykur
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:34:00 -
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Maybe give Concord ships a little armor piercing / shield piercing. Should help with the ship tanking Concord. Wouldn't have to be too much, since it is so slow to repair hull, just 10% bleed thru or so....
Cykur
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:34:00 -
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Then why is it only now being addressed? This has been going on in other systems(0.0-1.0) for the last couple months and nothing has been done.
Name a few 0.5-1.0 systems then, I haven't heard about this in a few months at least.
It's a completely different thing in 0.0-0.4, it's allowed to tank sentry guns.
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:36:00 -
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1. IT IS AN EXPLOIT CCP HAS SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN STUFF LIKE THIS IS EXPLOITATION.. ( and anyways you said it was due to a game inbalance... yes they exploited the imbalance... use your head)
2. saying 1.0 isnt safe is completely retarded. 1.0 is supposed to be safe, if you can just get ganked anywhere, what are n00bs supposed to do? give me a break man! this is what 0.0 is for, anyone arguing for the fact that this was original and fair should have their head checked.... or are just trolls... however this all in the end falls on CCP yet again, i'm sure they will fix it now, its just too bad it came to this... as someone on IRC said dont ban em, just make them miss a few million skillpoints in their gunnery and ship command skills 
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:40:00 -
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Ganking and griefing in 1.0 is not allowed by any means. It's 1.0 for a reason. Anyone doing this in 1.0 should be banned for at least a month, period. Especialy if you're doing it in yulai. It's just exploiting to the max, even m0o doesn't do that (anymore).
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killswitch
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:46:00 -
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just shows you how safe 1.0 guys really are...
be afraid....
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:48:00 -
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just shows you how safe 1.0 guys really are...
be afraid....
But the point is, you shouldn't have to be in 1.0 (unless your corp is at war).
Safe places are made for a reason.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:57:00 -
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The precident was set early in release, and IIRC, the people who did it got in trouble.
So no, it's not a valid tactic because it's been smacked down by the GMs before.
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Tease
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:57:00 -
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Name a few 0.5-1.0 systems then, I haven't heard about this in a few months at least.
It's a completely different thing in 0.0-0.4, it's allowed to tank sentry guns.
2 weeks ago, Bourynes. At the roid belt. Bourynes is a 1.0 system, and it's also the starter system for one of the Gallente races. I got podded at the belt after hearing about it on the Help channel.. Petitioned and was told there was no exploit being used since Concord was present and actively attacking the ship being tanked..
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[2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's
less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level?
[2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning
lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you
[2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players
are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 04/03/2004 01:04:28
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just shows you how safe 1.0 guys really are...
be afraid....
But the point is, you shouldn't have to be in 1.0 (unless your corp is at war).
Safe places are made for a reason.
No, the point is that you should be punished in 1.0 for violating the rules of non-engament there by losing your ship.
If you are a rich masochist, you are free to lose as many ships as you want to in 1.0.
That's the official stance about it. And space never ment to be safe, no space.
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Viqer Fell
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:00:00 -
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Whilst I personally didn't agree with what happened I really wish you'd all grow up a little and stop with the tears. It's not griefing nor exploiting. It's indiscriminate killing using the modules that are freely available for any to use.
So its in 1.0, so what. The autopilot has an "avoid pod kill areas" button for a reason.
That the GM's had to come wading in is not surprising. Any pilot who died after the 20th or so is just plain irresponsible for not checking his route regularly and deserved to get blown up. The red blob saying don't come here was plainly visible. Regrettably far too many pilots in this galaxy seem to think they have an inalienable right to be safe at all times. Tough, it's space, it's dangerous, get over it.
I'd rather that the AI was simply adjusted so that concord attacked the gang as a whole, i.e. each concord ship attacked several targets rather than just one. I know when I fight I dont always cherry pick targets but sometimes spread fire across several. So why shouldnt concord do it.
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HavokTBP
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:03:00 -
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Exactly, players pick the smarter targets though, just how the game works. Concord sucks.
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Hafthor
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:22:00 -
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In my oppinion this isn't an exploit, or a bug. In real life there are riots sometimes, and the cops don't always win. This situation should be roleplyed. Like I said before in this thread I think this kind of behaviour should cause CONCORD to put you on a black list so to speak. Anyone involved in the crime should have a permamnent -10 sec and should be podded by CONCORD and navy ships.
Basically this is totally ok to do, but it should draw attention from ingame elements. This is after all a RPG.
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Roninman
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:38:00 -
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Edited by: Roninman on 04/03/2004 01:39:50
It's not exploit. Those Concord ships should have smarter AI so they attack supporting ships.
People stop crying if youre "automatic" safe place in galaxy is once attacked. If you lost ships in process i know it can be frustating but do you always want same things happening every day? every week?. And if they were "stretching" game mechanics that way, im sure it will be fixed.
and im not pirate myself.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:44:00 -
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I don't get it.. So if your not in a pirate corp.. then your stupid? oh..
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Zasra
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Zasra on 04/03/2004 01:51:13
Well on one hand it sucks that this happened, a real black eye for a game trying to grow beyond 'niche' status and survive. On the other hand, I'm not for totally safe spots anywhere, it's just too bad the scumbags had to use a exploit to do it. Real shame.
Anyway, they should handle punishment in game. First, the offending jackasses get slapped with perma -10 with CONCORD and any npc corps. Second the victims get the benefit of a class action lawsuit against CORCORD (for their incompetance) and receive 50 million isk each. That should easily cover implant/module losses, coupled with insurance, should be more than sufficent compensation (probably most people lost a lot less).
Anyway just my thoughts...
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nails
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Posted - 2004.03.04 02:20:00 -
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Zombie used this tactic pretty much every time we ran into them. They get the kudos for trying it in empire before anyone else. 
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.03.04 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Roninman on 04/03/2004 01:39:50
It's not exploit. Those Concord ships should have smarter AI so they attack supporting ships.
People stop crying if youre "automatic" safe place in galaxy is once attacked. If you lost ships in process i know it can be frustating but do you always want same things happening every day? every week?. And if they were "stretching" game mechanics that way, im sure it will be fixed.
and im not pirate myself.
Think before you post, please, for the children?
Its not up to you or I to decide what constitutes for exploitation of game mechanics and what doesn't. The developers do. And what do the developers have to say about that? Any means used to avoid the consequences (ship destruction) in secure space when being agressive towards people whom you are not at war with is classified as EXPLOITATION OF GAME MECHANICS.
Get a clue.
I don't really care that Zombie Inc did it, it has no effect on my gameplay because I can't even go to Yulai much less get killed by them. But it does affect a lot of other people's gameplay.
No, you should not have to check the map to see if Yulai is "safe to travel through".
No, its not an original tactic, and the fact that most pvp corps know about this but don't do it in secure space speaks volumes as to its legitimacy.
You say people are whining because their "automatic safespot" is attacked, and I say let them. Morons who pull stupid stunts like this for no other reason than to GANK SH*T should be taken out of the game, especially after they so blatantly refused to co-operate even after a GM told them it was exploitation. This probably created a massive backlog of legitimate petitions already, and some people actually have the nerve to defend it!?
You want things spiced up in Yulai, is that it Roninman? Lets see how you cope with a game where this happens on a daily basis, anywhere. Because as far as I'm concerned, if behaviour like this isn't royally beaten down, it just invites every other ganker in the universe to PK there.
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Doppleganger
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Posted - 2004.03.04 03:09:00 -
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I actually thought the tread started off good but went down hill quickly.... I'm suprised it hasn't been locked yet since Quote:
"we do not discuss exploits on the forums."
or Quote:
"Discussion Exploits on the forums is a big no-no"
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Xenu
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Posted - 2004.03.04 03:16:00 -
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whatever. i still <3 zombie.
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Imperishable
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Posted - 2004.03.04 03:22:00 -
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It is an exploitation by popular vote.
But since this is done for the first time, mainly to prove a point, I say that Zombie should not be banned.
Basically, you want to ban people because they play a poorly designed aspect of a game. That's wrong.
I like to think of this as a special event, quite entertaining.
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Xenu
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Posted - 2004.03.04 03:26:00 -
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I like to think of this as a special event, quite entertaining.
agreed.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.03.04 03:29:00 -
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Concord should add to their kill-list anyone using a beneficial module on a ship *currently* on their kill-list.
And vary their targets a little.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.04 03:45:00 -
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Just like any riot they never touch the well off neighbourhoods or they're no longer riots but a revolution.
Zombie killing 91 people should get them -10 and put them on Concords to do list, just like they would be hunted day and night in the real world for those of you into the likeness.
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.03.04 04:02:00 -
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This has certainly been an interesting thread; although I am surprised that Zombie Inc hasn't weighed in on this thread yet.
Anyway, this "tactic" and abuse of a game weakness deserves some kind of response by the authorities and hopefully a fix for supporting aggressive ships.
Also, I think it would be fun if this makes the news ticker in some form of Concord press release.
Just my opinions here.
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Zenst
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Posted - 2004.03.04 04:03:00 -
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It is a questionable area about support ships, I'm not sure what took place in Yulia, but I've often wondered why you dont get a sheild tanked scorp with web and warp jammers in 1.0 space and dozen peeps sensor/tracking/sheild and cap boosting them. Could happily sit there chaining Concord like that, if they dropped anthing or the NPC pirate factions gave you some bounty isk for doin it :/.
So fair, balanced - still a longway on both side of the fence.
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Baleur
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Posted - 2004.03.04 04:32:00 -
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gawd stop the yelling everyone!!  lool
1.0 is 100% space, secure space, empire space, an entire race's space, an entire race's empire's space, trust me... a couple of pirate corps could not under ANY circumstances take control of a metropolis system as Yulai.. It is in the heart of an entire race's claimed region.. heh u get my drift..
But in this game its possible, how? i have no ****in idea.. why not give concord like 10% more ships spawning there time after time?? why not? every other game u can imagine has near impossible odds for this a bold move. to try to claim (even if that wasnt their goal) a system in the heart of empire space.. should not, NOT EVER, be possible by anything less than another empire. Amen.
God i gotta change my sig..
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Mau dib
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Posted - 2004.03.04 05:04:00 -
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1. IT IS AN EXPLOIT CCP HAS SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN STUFF LIKE THIS IS EXPLOITATION..
Prove it. Show me where it is documented. If it is not documented. It is NOT an exploit.
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GATORAN
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Posted - 2004.03.04 05:11:00 -
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XENU why dont you get yourself a damn noob character and get yourself into it.
just talked to petition ppl, i got my stuff back what i lost and a msg about this in yulai:
"they are currently working on a fix that would prevent this in the future. Best Regards, GM Wyrm."
the best would be that all the zombies (or the peeps who was into it) gets banned.
and ill be happy if they do.
no morron has the right to destroy the joy of this game.
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Mojo JoJo
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Posted - 2004.03.04 05:13:00 -
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Lets see how you cope with a game where this happens on a daily basis, anywhere.
i wish this was true
you would be shocked how many players live in lawless space and prefer to do so
check your map not go afk and if something unexpected happens well adapt
as for the zombie thing i have no idea what happened but if some fool is crying cause they got ganked well poo happens get over it
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Czar Marcus
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Posted - 2004.03.04 05:19:00 -
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This is an exploit. Lots of beginning players stay in 1.0 area until they can get adjusted to the game. You have just discouraged 100 beginners from playing this game. You destroyed weeks of their work, and it's really hard to get started. CCP has said that fighting in 1.0 is a bannable offence and I hope you get what you deserve.
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