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Xenu
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:24:00 -
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Dear Zombie,
I love you guys. Today was the funniest day in the history of eve.
Love,
Xenu
topic locked for discussing GM actions - adrastos
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:28:00 -
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But now they all get banned?
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Doppleganger
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:28:00 -
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Yeah I stopped to watch for about 5 mins but Yulai was getting way overcrowded and was probably close to crashing.
When I left there was 177 ppl in local and by the looks of it most of them were around the amarr gate.
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Xenu
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:31:00 -
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i was there with over 200 and suprisingly no lag. pure beauty.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:37:00 -
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i was there with over 200 and suprisingly no lag. pure beauty.
Yeah it was amazing, I saw 230+ and the ONLY thing that wasn't perfect was client-side stuff - low FPS when rendering 120 ships for instance.
Wonderful!
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:44:00 -
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I loved all the morons on Help channel who were defending it as a legit tactic or even an original one, lol 
would have been fun to play "drop the lock" with the zombie support ships but the GM hath layed a smackdown first
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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:47:00 -
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 Someone get in trouble today?
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:49:00 -
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if it were a ligit tactic to pirateer in 1.0 space. Then i'm sure m0o and other old-school rats would be at it.
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My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
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Xenu
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:49:00 -
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yeah what exactly did the GM do?
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Lysithea
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:50:00 -
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I loved all the morons on Help channel who were defending it as a legit tactic or even an original one, lol
would have been fun to play "drop the lock" with the zombie support ships but the GM hath layed a smackdown first
Did the GMs already get involved? Heck, just take your BS with 2 MWD on it and ram the support ships out of range so they cannot send shield to the "killer" ship. Once alone, the killer ship is toast.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:50:00 -
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History repeats itself...
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Muspell
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:51:00 -
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Ban them ? They aren't doing anything wrong, concord fought them and concord lost...
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:51:00 -
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So what happend? LAst time they shot at mee they where all very bad sec rating so i belive it has something to do with ganking concord 
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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:51:00 -
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/instapodkilldie
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:52:00 -
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:53:00 -
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Ban them ? They aren't doing anything wrong, concord fought them and concord lost...
Initiating agression and keeping ship in 1.0 is considered an exploit, since ages!
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Tease
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:59:00 -
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Ban them ? They aren't doing anything wrong, concord fought them and concord lost...
Initiating agression and keeping ship in 1.0 is considered an exploit, since ages!
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Then why is it only now being addressed? This has been going on in other systems(0.0-1.0) for the last couple months and nothing has been done.
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[2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's
less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level?
[2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning
lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you
[2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players
are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on
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b0ing
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:00:00 -
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pwnage 
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Barfolemew
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:03:00 -
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Initiating agression and keeping ship in 1.0 is considered an exploit, since ages!
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Since when? It is the same tactic as when you tank a ship for sentry gun fire in 0.4 space .
1.0 is NOT safe. Dont travel afk folks 
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: cashman on 04/03/2004 00:06:43
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Ban them ? They aren't doing anything wrong, concord fought them and concord lost...
Initiating agression and keeping ship in 1.0 is considered an exploit, since ages!
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Then why is it only now being addressed? This has been going on in other systems(0.0-1.0) for the last couple months and nothing has been done.
Cuz no one was retarded enough to actually do it in this scale... untill now that is
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Hafthor
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:07:00 -
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ok.. it ain't new.. and it ain't an exploit. But it should have dire consequences. CONCORD should shoot all those involved anywhere anytime and no matter if they are in a pod. If they want to be this infamous then let them.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:07:00 -
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Initiating agression and keeping ship in 1.0 is considered an exploit, since ages!
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Since when? It is the same tactic as when you tank a ship for sentry gun fire in 0.4 space .
1.0 is NOT safe. Dont travel afk folks
Since August 2003, as I have been warned for this with my former character Molly.
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Stue
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:07:00 -
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Ban them ? They aren't doing anything wrong, concord fought them and concord lost...
Yes, the interesting question is: What happens to Empire Space if CONCORD keeps losing?
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Demonus
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:09:00 -
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Those guys have balls to do this in a 1.0 system but killing nearly 100 trader, miner and ppl in shuttles is just lame. There were dozens of concord ships and didnŠt have a chance against the pirats. Not even their sec rate changed that much even after 85 podkilles.
I was NOT afk. I jumped with my autopilot to the gate and wondered why I expirienced so much lag as I saw all the Zombie and concord ships 1 second before I died. Just weird that my ship died in the same second as i died. I hope they get a loooooooong eve vacation.
Is 0.0 not big enough??
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Novo DuPont
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Novo DuPont on 04/03/2004 00:18:00
This is NOT a new tactic just a variation of one Space Invaders used awhile back to defeat sentry guns in 0.4-0,1 space.
Thing is DEV's have been warned MANY TIMES about the possiblity of EXTREME game imbalance by this tactic. They were told MANY TIMES that CCP needs to make supporting aggresive ships a AGGRESIVE act just as jamming is now.
The DEV's did not listen to us testers so now they have to bear the brunt of LEGIT petitions and complaints for ignoring such a potential game destroying tactic.
I don't think what ZOMBIE members did is a bannable offence. They should of done the RIGHT thing though and showed it to BH and DEV's in the CHAOS server FIRST and not on the game server. I , along with many others, CAN fault them for that and they should get suspended AND have all their isk, from all alts as well and corp wallet, taken away for what they did.
If you truely want to make the game better ruining it for others is not the way to go.
I can bet good money that in the VERY near future supporting aggresive ships will be concidered a aggresive act by NPC's.
"To succeed greatly one must sacrifice greatly"
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: cashman on 04/03/2004 00:18:11
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This is NOT a new tactic just a variation of one Space Invaders used awhile back to defeat sentry guns in 0.4-0,1 space.
Thing is DEV's have been warned MANY TIMES about the possiblity of EXTREME game imbalance by this tactic. They were told MANY TIMES that CCP needs to make supporting aggresive ships a AGGRESIVE act just as jamming is now.
The DEV's did not listen to us testers so now they have to bear the brunt of LEGIT petition and complaints for ignoring such a potential game destrying tactic.
I don't think what ZOMBIE members did is a bannable offence. They should of done the RIGHT thing though and showed it to BH and DEV's in the CHAOS server FIRST and not on the game server. I , along with many others, CAN fault them for that and they should get suspended AND have all their isk, from all alts as well and corp wallet, taken away for what they did.
If you truely want to make the game better ruining it for others is not the way to go.
I can bet good money that in the VERY near future supporting aggresive ships will be concidered a aggresive act by NPC's.
So basicly, its ok to use exploits just so you can "prove to the devs that this needs fixing"? ... Get a grip
CCP knew this could be done, guess what... THAT's why it isn't allowed and classified at explointing.
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Novo DuPont
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:21:00 -
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WHere did I say it's ok????
Plus its not a exploit, its a game imbalance in the mechanics. If CCP did not want to classify lagging clients to kill their ships while they loaded as a exploit, this the sure is not.
STILL does not give them the right to do it on the game server.
"To succeed greatly one must sacrifice greatly"
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Parity
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:23:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: Novo DuPont on 04/03/2004 00:18:00
This is NOT a new tactic just a variation of one Space Invaders used awhile back to defeat sentry guns in 0.4-0,1 space.
Thing is DEV's have been warned MANY TIMES about the possiblity of EXTREME game imbalance by this tactic. They were told MANY TIMES that CCP needs to make supporting aggresive ships a AGGRESIVE act just as jamming is now.
The DEV's did not listen to us testers so now they have to bear the brunt of LEGIT petitions and complaints for ignoring such a potential game destroying tactic.
I don't think what ZOMBIE members did is a bannable offence. They should of done the RIGHT thing though and showed it to BH and DEV's in the CHAOS server FIRST and not on the game server. I , along with many others, CAN fault them for that and they should get suspended AND have all their isk, from all alts as well and corp wallet, taken away for what they did.
If you truely want to make the game better ruining it for others is not the way to go.
I can bet good money that in the VERY near future supporting aggresive ships will be concidered a aggresive act by NPC's.
your not geting it .. Concord only attacks the first person that attacks. when he is dead they move onto the next one in correct order. so if say corp A is blockading the gate like zombie were doing. Corp B could attack everyone there and only suffer a securaty status hit but no cops/sentries until the first agressor is dead or gone.
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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:28:00 -
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Two words.
Mara.
Passari.
It has happened before. Matter of fact this isn't just the second time its happened. I may be wrong but its happened like 3 or 4 times?
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Novo DuPont
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:31:00 -
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I "get it" perfectly since ALL the support ships not only had sec ratings 0.0 and above, but the support ships take NO SEC RATING HIT if supporting a aggresive ship. SO they have NO RISK what so ever for supporting a aggresive ship. Used to be before jamming became aggresive act that ships would be fitted just for jamming and let the other guy do the shooting. If you shot the jamming ship you took a sec hit.
If helping a criminal escape, hide them, feed them, cloth them etc. is a crime, then in game anyone who helps a criminal should get a sec rating hit as well.
The NPC system does not always hit the first aggresive ship either, it looks for the weakest ship to target each time it destroys a ship. They don't attack in the order ships attack them.
"To succeed greatly one must sacrifice greatly"
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Cykur
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:34:00 -
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Maybe give Concord ships a little armor piercing / shield piercing. Should help with the ship tanking Concord. Wouldn't have to be too much, since it is so slow to repair hull, just 10% bleed thru or so....
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:34:00 -
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Then why is it only now being addressed? This has been going on in other systems(0.0-1.0) for the last couple months and nothing has been done.
Name a few 0.5-1.0 systems then, I haven't heard about this in a few months at least.
It's a completely different thing in 0.0-0.4, it's allowed to tank sentry guns.
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:36:00 -
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1. IT IS AN EXPLOIT CCP HAS SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN STUFF LIKE THIS IS EXPLOITATION.. ( and anyways you said it was due to a game inbalance... yes they exploited the imbalance... use your head)
2. saying 1.0 isnt safe is completely retarded. 1.0 is supposed to be safe, if you can just get ganked anywhere, what are n00bs supposed to do? give me a break man! this is what 0.0 is for, anyone arguing for the fact that this was original and fair should have their head checked.... or are just trolls... however this all in the end falls on CCP yet again, i'm sure they will fix it now, its just too bad it came to this... as someone on IRC said dont ban em, just make them miss a few million skillpoints in their gunnery and ship command skills 
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:40:00 -
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Ganking and griefing in 1.0 is not allowed by any means. It's 1.0 for a reason. Anyone doing this in 1.0 should be banned for at least a month, period. Especialy if you're doing it in yulai. It's just exploiting to the max, even m0o doesn't do that (anymore).
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killswitch
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:46:00 -
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just shows you how safe 1.0 guys really are...
be afraid....
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:48:00 -
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just shows you how safe 1.0 guys really are...
be afraid....
But the point is, you shouldn't have to be in 1.0 (unless your corp is at war).
Safe places are made for a reason.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:57:00 -
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The precident was set early in release, and IIRC, the people who did it got in trouble.
So no, it's not a valid tactic because it's been smacked down by the GMs before.
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Tease
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:57:00 -
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Name a few 0.5-1.0 systems then, I haven't heard about this in a few months at least.
It's a completely different thing in 0.0-0.4, it's allowed to tank sentry guns.
2 weeks ago, Bourynes. At the roid belt. Bourynes is a 1.0 system, and it's also the starter system for one of the Gallente races. I got podded at the belt after hearing about it on the Help channel.. Petitioned and was told there was no exploit being used since Concord was present and actively attacking the ship being tanked..
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[2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's
less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level?
[2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning
lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you
[2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players
are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on
the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way |
Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 04/03/2004 01:04:28
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just shows you how safe 1.0 guys really are...
be afraid....
But the point is, you shouldn't have to be in 1.0 (unless your corp is at war).
Safe places are made for a reason.
No, the point is that you should be punished in 1.0 for violating the rules of non-engament there by losing your ship.
If you are a rich masochist, you are free to lose as many ships as you want to in 1.0.
That's the official stance about it. And space never ment to be safe, no space.
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Viqer Fell
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:00:00 -
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Whilst I personally didn't agree with what happened I really wish you'd all grow up a little and stop with the tears. It's not griefing nor exploiting. It's indiscriminate killing using the modules that are freely available for any to use.
So its in 1.0, so what. The autopilot has an "avoid pod kill areas" button for a reason.
That the GM's had to come wading in is not surprising. Any pilot who died after the 20th or so is just plain irresponsible for not checking his route regularly and deserved to get blown up. The red blob saying don't come here was plainly visible. Regrettably far too many pilots in this galaxy seem to think they have an inalienable right to be safe at all times. Tough, it's space, it's dangerous, get over it.
I'd rather that the AI was simply adjusted so that concord attacked the gang as a whole, i.e. each concord ship attacked several targets rather than just one. I know when I fight I dont always cherry pick targets but sometimes spread fire across several. So why shouldnt concord do it.
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:03:00 -
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Exactly, players pick the smarter targets though, just how the game works. Concord sucks.
Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption
Leader of The Black Plague.
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Hafthor
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:22:00 -
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In my oppinion this isn't an exploit, or a bug. In real life there are riots sometimes, and the cops don't always win. This situation should be roleplyed. Like I said before in this thread I think this kind of behaviour should cause CONCORD to put you on a black list so to speak. Anyone involved in the crime should have a permamnent -10 sec and should be podded by CONCORD and navy ships.
Basically this is totally ok to do, but it should draw attention from ingame elements. This is after all a RPG.
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Roninman
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:38:00 -
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Edited by: Roninman on 04/03/2004 01:39:50
It's not exploit. Those Concord ships should have smarter AI so they attack supporting ships.
People stop crying if youre "automatic" safe place in galaxy is once attacked. If you lost ships in process i know it can be frustating but do you always want same things happening every day? every week?. And if they were "stretching" game mechanics that way, im sure it will be fixed.
and im not pirate myself.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:44:00 -
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I don't get it.. So if your not in a pirate corp.. then your stupid? oh..
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Zasra
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Zasra on 04/03/2004 01:51:13
Well on one hand it sucks that this happened, a real black eye for a game trying to grow beyond 'niche' status and survive. On the other hand, I'm not for totally safe spots anywhere, it's just too bad the scumbags had to use a exploit to do it. Real shame.
Anyway, they should handle punishment in game. First, the offending jackasses get slapped with perma -10 with CONCORD and any npc corps. Second the victims get the benefit of a class action lawsuit against CORCORD (for their incompetance) and receive 50 million isk each. That should easily cover implant/module losses, coupled with insurance, should be more than sufficent compensation (probably most people lost a lot less).
Anyway just my thoughts...
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nails
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Posted - 2004.03.04 02:20:00 -
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Zombie used this tactic pretty much every time we ran into them. They get the kudos for trying it in empire before anyone else. 
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.03.04 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Roninman on 04/03/2004 01:39:50
It's not exploit. Those Concord ships should have smarter AI so they attack supporting ships.
People stop crying if youre "automatic" safe place in galaxy is once attacked. If you lost ships in process i know it can be frustating but do you always want same things happening every day? every week?. And if they were "stretching" game mechanics that way, im sure it will be fixed.
and im not pirate myself.
Think before you post, please, for the children?
Its not up to you or I to decide what constitutes for exploitation of game mechanics and what doesn't. The developers do. And what do the developers have to say about that? Any means used to avoid the consequences (ship destruction) in secure space when being agressive towards people whom you are not at war with is classified as EXPLOITATION OF GAME MECHANICS.
Get a clue.
I don't really care that Zombie Inc did it, it has no effect on my gameplay because I can't even go to Yulai much less get killed by them. But it does affect a lot of other people's gameplay.
No, you should not have to check the map to see if Yulai is "safe to travel through".
No, its not an original tactic, and the fact that most pvp corps know about this but don't do it in secure space speaks volumes as to its legitimacy.
You say people are whining because their "automatic safespot" is attacked, and I say let them. Morons who pull stupid stunts like this for no other reason than to GANK SH*T should be taken out of the game, especially after they so blatantly refused to co-operate even after a GM told them it was exploitation. This probably created a massive backlog of legitimate petitions already, and some people actually have the nerve to defend it!?
You want things spiced up in Yulai, is that it Roninman? Lets see how you cope with a game where this happens on a daily basis, anywhere. Because as far as I'm concerned, if behaviour like this isn't royally beaten down, it just invites every other ganker in the universe to PK there.
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Doppleganger
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Posted - 2004.03.04 03:09:00 -
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I actually thought the tread started off good but went down hill quickly.... I'm suprised it hasn't been locked yet since Quote:
"we do not discuss exploits on the forums."
or Quote:
"Discussion Exploits on the forums is a big no-no"
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Xenu
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Posted - 2004.03.04 03:16:00 -
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whatever. i still <3 zombie.
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Imperishable
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Posted - 2004.03.04 03:22:00 -
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It is an exploitation by popular vote.
But since this is done for the first time, mainly to prove a point, I say that Zombie should not be banned.
Basically, you want to ban people because they play a poorly designed aspect of a game. That's wrong.
I like to think of this as a special event, quite entertaining.
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Xenu
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Posted - 2004.03.04 03:26:00 -
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I like to think of this as a special event, quite entertaining.
agreed.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.03.04 03:29:00 -
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Concord should add to their kill-list anyone using a beneficial module on a ship *currently* on their kill-list.
And vary their targets a little.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.04 03:45:00 -
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Just like any riot they never touch the well off neighbourhoods or they're no longer riots but a revolution.
Zombie killing 91 people should get them -10 and put them on Concords to do list, just like they would be hunted day and night in the real world for those of you into the likeness.
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.03.04 04:02:00 -
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This has certainly been an interesting thread; although I am surprised that Zombie Inc hasn't weighed in on this thread yet.
Anyway, this "tactic" and abuse of a game weakness deserves some kind of response by the authorities and hopefully a fix for supporting aggressive ships.
Also, I think it would be fun if this makes the news ticker in some form of Concord press release.
Just my opinions here.
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Zenst
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Posted - 2004.03.04 04:03:00 -
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It is a questionable area about support ships, I'm not sure what took place in Yulia, but I've often wondered why you dont get a sheild tanked scorp with web and warp jammers in 1.0 space and dozen peeps sensor/tracking/sheild and cap boosting them. Could happily sit there chaining Concord like that, if they dropped anthing or the NPC pirate factions gave you some bounty isk for doin it :/.
So fair, balanced - still a longway on both side of the fence.
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Baleur
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Posted - 2004.03.04 04:32:00 -
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gawd stop the yelling everyone!! lool
1.0 is 100% space, secure space, empire space, an entire race's space, an entire race's empire's space, trust me... a couple of pirate corps could not under ANY circumstances take control of a metropolis system as Yulai.. It is in the heart of an entire race's claimed region.. heh u get my drift..
But in this game its possible, how? i have no ****in idea.. why not give concord like 10% more ships spawning there time after time?? why not? every other game u can imagine has near impossible odds for this a bold move. to try to claim (even if that wasnt their goal) a system in the heart of empire space.. should not, NOT EVER, be possible by anything less than another empire. Amen.
God i gotta change my sig..
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Mau dib
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Posted - 2004.03.04 05:04:00 -
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1. IT IS AN EXPLOIT CCP HAS SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN STUFF LIKE THIS IS EXPLOITATION..
Prove it. Show me where it is documented. If it is not documented. It is NOT an exploit.
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GATORAN
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Posted - 2004.03.04 05:11:00 -
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XENU why dont you get yourself a damn noob character and get yourself into it.
just talked to petition ppl, i got my stuff back what i lost and a msg about this in yulai:
"they are currently working on a fix that would prevent this in the future. Best Regards, GM Wyrm."
the best would be that all the zombies (or the peeps who was into it) gets banned.
and ill be happy if they do.
no morron has the right to destroy the joy of this game.
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Mojo JoJo
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Posted - 2004.03.04 05:13:00 -
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Lets see how you cope with a game where this happens on a daily basis, anywhere.
i wish this was true
you would be shocked how many players live in lawless space and prefer to do so
check your map not go afk and if something unexpected happens well adapt
as for the zombie thing i have no idea what happened but if some fool is crying cause they got ganked well poo happens get over it
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Czar Marcus
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Posted - 2004.03.04 05:19:00 -
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This is an exploit. Lots of beginning players stay in 1.0 area until they can get adjusted to the game. You have just discouraged 100 beginners from playing this game. You destroyed weeks of their work, and it's really hard to get started. CCP has said that fighting in 1.0 is a bannable offence and I hope you get what you deserve.
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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2004.03.04 05:38:00 -
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To all those who think this is the first time this has happened.
Its not. Maybe Yulai system this time, but it has happened before.
Mara Passari.
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Imperishable
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Posted - 2004.03.04 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Imperishable on 04/03/2004 06:05:24
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You have just discouraged 100 beginners from playing this game. You destroyed weeks of their work, and it's really hard to get started.
This is a common misconception. I started the game just a couple months ago, so I still remember my totally-newb days. The one thing that discouraged me most was the lack of action. Nothing was ever happening. I joined some noob corp and it had some other noob people and they lost ships to various things, sometimes, and none of them took those losses seriously. It's a freaken game, you can't always win. And in this game, you barely ever die as a noob. And you have virtually nothing to lose either, clone is dirt cheap, ship is dirt cheap. Your corp will happily give you the money to buy all the best stuff your skills can support. It's ok for noobs to lose a few ships, why is that so hard to understand?
What you should be concerned about is people who hunt down particular noobs, killing them over and over again. Random kills are not it. Plus Zombie stayed in one place, it was easy to avoid. If anything, this was just educational material for them. It's hardly anything worth quiting a game for, unless you joined with idea that this is Sims Online in space and any form of violence gives you heart attack.
So stop being so paranoid about the noobs, mmkay?
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Zasra
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Posted - 2004.03.04 06:07:00 -
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[quote
This is a common misconception. I started the game just a couple months ago, so I still remember my totally-newb days. The one thing that discouraged me most was the lack of action. Nothing was ever happening. I joined some noob corp and it had some other noob people and they lost ships to various things, sometimes, and none of them took those losses seriously. It's a freaken game, you can't always win. And in this game, you barely ever die as a noob. And you have virtually nothing to lose either, clone is dirt cheap, ship is dirt cheap. Your corp will happily give you the money to buy all the best stuff your skills can support. It's ok for noobs to lose a few ships, why is that so hard to understand?
That's good for you, but do you speak for every type of player, or are you implying that your style of play is the only one that should be supported, and everyone else can be damned?
I seriously doubt CCP is only trying to appeal to your playstyle. From what I can tell they are trying to be more than just a niche game that appeals to the UO Felluca 'serial-killa' type player. Somewhere in the middle is probably more likely.
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Dark Kas
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Posted - 2004.03.04 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Kas on 04/03/2004 06:18:25
I got killed by them last night aswell and i wasn't afk i just couldn't warp out fast enough or get my shield boosters to run fast enough so my nice new and shiney Thorax was destoryed and so was my pod seen as it couldn't even warp that fast hope zombie inc. liked the loot from me glad i had nothing else of vaule
Kas
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Ilara
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Posted - 2004.03.04 06:23:00 -
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I was a victim of this too. I've been playing a whole week and this really came as a surprise. I was helping some corp mate transport and had come through this area not 10 minutes or so before it started. It was quiet then, why would I have thought it'd have all of a sudden become a kill fest. Especially since 1.0 space was supposed to be fairly secure.
I didn't expect to jump to an area and get hit with smart bomb after smart bomb, or to be unable to even think of getting away. But I was lucky my ship was empty and I was insured. So I made money off the death. ;)
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Xeris
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:30:00 -
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To all those who think this is the first time this has happened.
Its not. Maybe Yulai system this time, but it has happened before.
Mara Passari.
Last time I checked, neither of those were 1.0 systems. Totally different situations.
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Dark Kas
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:31:00 -
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U where lucky i couldn't insure mines as i had spent all my isk on my thorax.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:31:00 -
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This is very lame, and yet I can't help but admire the sheer audacity and ingenuity of it, and the outright thumbs expression right at CCP itself.
Somehow I feel this is a profound turning point in the game.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:36:00 -
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GM's replaced my stuff \o/
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Dark Kas
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:39:00 -
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How did u manage that???
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:50:00 -
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petition?
This is not a hijack
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Dark Kas
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:54:00 -
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never thought of that! But will that actually work???
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Mirimon
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Posted - 2004.03.04 07:59:00 -
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Ganja, in another post you said drunkenmaster was recording it? Oooooh, I want to see it, make sure he posts it!
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Rodge
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Posted - 2004.03.04 08:08:00 -
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Yeah, much as I don't agree with what Zombie did, I would like to see a video of the action.
Don't think they've too much to fear from releasing it as the devs will have records of everyone that was involved.
We were due to travel back through Yulai last night, but guys on our corp channel were screaming "Avoid Yulai at all costs!"
Had to take a peek though, after buying a shuttle in Amarr and making sure my clone was up to date. Was too late to see the main action though 
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Dark Kas
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Posted - 2004.03.04 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Kas on 04/03/2004 08:15:20
I got a nice view of my ship failing apart around and my pod blowing up but is that right that this could be a new type expolt???
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Mirimon
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Posted - 2004.03.04 08:12:00 -
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Hahaha, holy sh*t I just went on to swicth a skill....I looked at Yula and the ships destroyed in last 24 hours...228, that is nuts! Wish I was there to see it! And uh...yea sorry to the people that died...that, uhh, sucks.
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2004.03.04 08:30:00 -
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Your gona get spanked Zombie for such a crime , but congrats for having the "minerals" to do it!
Darwin 4tw
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Xeraan
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Posted - 2004.03.04 08:35:00 -
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concerning the "ban" Discussion - donŠt you wonder why none of the Zombies showed up here yet ?
maybe they canŠt ?
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jello
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: jello on 04/03/2004 09:18:07
Surely at the end of the day its up to ccp to make a decision.
1. Prevent this from happening, i am sure they can make it so no shooting can be done in 1.0 space
or
2. Leave it as is. In which case those who carried out the attacks should not be banned, and these tactics classed as legitimate.
Until ccp make that decision stop moaning and live with it.
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:24:00 -
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To all those who think this is the first time this has happened.
Its not. Maybe Yulai system this time, but it has happened before.
Mara Passari.
Last time I checked, neither of those were 1.0 systems. Totally different situations.
All I got to say to Zombie is:
yeah it was a diffrent situation.. not so mutch diffrent.. m0o used things that was availble to al but not balanced.. they dident get banned so why should zombie.. 
yeah yeah 1.0 so if they had done it in 0.9 it wouldve been more okey  m0o dident get banned zombie shouldnt either they where first also.. and didnt the ship that was doing the aggression die eventualy? casue i cant think of one way that he couldve gotten away from that position alive.. a maybe a few ways but thats ways thats like every other thing thats being disscused anyway they have stated that if you get away when you attack in 1.0 its an exploit yeah.. but supporting a ship aint so they did what they where allowd to do.. just alittle sad loophole
anyway its not an exploit until its said one and supporting a ship wasnt befor they did it anyway
only thing im getting angry about is that now the devs will work on this first and make a fix for it and probably make shiva 1 month later cause they had to fix this now
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:25:00 -
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But now they all get banned?
I hope so..
Not that I mind PVP I dont but 1.0 is for noobs who have just started (Mostly) and Im sure they reall could have tried to mount a counter attack with their Whopping 20 thousand skill points!!
Exploiting Game Mechanics is a No No and they should have known better.
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Roog
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:27:00 -
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Hi,
I think I turned up late to this. By the time my
corp mates and I arrived most of the shooting had
stopped (we're in a newbie corp so just popped
along for a look). I warped in at about 60km and
after quite a long load time saw an amazing sight
(hundreds of ships). We had someone who travelled
over 40 jumps just to see. He said it was worth
the journey.
Apart from a small amount of lag as I initially
warped in I was surprised to see how well
everything ran. (The only problem was that I
seemed to gain a white gas cloud around my ship.
Which someone guessed at being the shield
hardening graphic). So good job to CCP on all
their server side improvements for large fleets.
I'm not going to comment on whether what they did
is right or wrong. What I will say is that they
probably chose a bad day. Patch day, everyone at
CCP was probably very tired after dealing with all
the petitions etc. from that and to then have to
deal with this 'situation'.
Roog
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:30:00 -
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I thought the whole thing was rather sweet.
The problem as I see it is that concord are only a minor threat to an organised team.
If CCP wished for this sort of thing to never happen, they could easily make concord far more powerful (one-shot kill powerful).
As it is, they just represent a challenge.
Zombie stepped up to the challenge.
For reasons quite beyond my comprehension, my name was bought into this. Quite why, I don't know, but I was getting convos in game, and in IRC all over the place last night.
I was just the cameraman. I was sitting in a shuttle 160km away from the fight. I didn't know what they were planning until they started.
I congratulate them.
And to the guy who said it was 'just killing noobies'... get a grip, they were killing *everything* indiscriminately. I noticed josh calvert at the gate for approximately 8 seconds, and a few other people I recognised.
What strikes me as the *worst* thing, is that, out of the 100-200 non-hostiles at the gate, *NOBODY* tried to do anything about it. They all just waited for the GM's to come in and fix it for them.
As I sat there recording the fun and poddings, I was going through the various ways an 'upstanding' player/corp could have stopped it.
Had a few people or a corp actually done something about this, their names would be almost as well known as Zombies now are. Can you imagine the carebear respect you would get for ending a situation like this? People would be sending you fur samples for a month...
The more I think about it, the more I realise I should have been picking off the spectators while concord were busy...
Maybe next time CCP make the so-called 'biggest threat in the game' no more than an average challenge...
Well played, Zombie.
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Xeris
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:32:00 -
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yeah it was a diffrent situation.. not so mutch diffrent.. m0o used things that was availble to al but not balanced.. they dident get banned so why should zombie..
No, its totally different because when m0o did it, there were no sentry guns and no concord attacks that were avoided.
As for Zombie getting banned, I don't care either way; if they do go out, thats one heck of bang to do it on. |
Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:37:00 -
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omg @ Jello's sig
I feel slightly arroused now
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jazz Bo on 04/03/2004 09:43:12
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To all those who think this is the first time this has happened.
Its not. Maybe Yulai system this time, but it has happened before.
Mara Passari.
Stop repeating that. Those are both 0.4 systems, always have been.
It's simple: you can tank sentry gun fire in 0.4 and below, but you can't tank Concord in 0.5 or above.
But it's true that the correct response from CCP would be to make the Concord fleets uber-powerful, untankable and unkillable, so they don't have to ban anyone. Banning is never a good way to solve problems like this, you just lose innovative players.
Yulai is supposed to one of the safest systems of all, so let's think of a RL scenario:
A bunch or terrorists go to Wall Street, Manhattan and start shooting people randomly. What do you thinkis likely to happen?
1. Only the local police precinct's cops arrive in their normal squad cars, and fail to kill the terrorists, dying one by one.
OR
2. The National Guard and the Army arrive in tanks and assault helicopters and blow the terrorists to itty-bitty pieces.
Only in Eve is option "1" currently the correct answer. Needs fixing methinks.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Elizabeth Powers
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:47:00 -
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Game news -
Regarding the mass killings in Yulai last night (4th of March)
As a lot of you are aware, a certain corp willingly exploited a fault in the game mechanics and managed to kill over a 100 people in the supposedly secure Yulai system last night. We have decreed that those who were the recipiants of this heinous crime will be fully reimbursed for their loss. If you are one of those who lost your belongings and still havenŠt petitioned us, please do so and we will see to it that your possessions are returned to you. The exploiters have received a ban for their efforts and anyone thinking of following their example should be aware that the same fate awaits them. - The GM Team
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Coreantes
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:48:00 -
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It will not help ATTRACT new players, thats for sure...
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Morning Maniac
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:52:00 -
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Like Drunkenmaster said, everyone was just sitting around doing nothing about it. I had a look too and then went to get my battleship in the hope I could help concord taking out the aggressor, once his sec status would get low enough so concord wouldn't get me. Unfortunately by the time I got back Zombie had left. I am sure if everyone there would have helped out we could have stopped it. There is only so much damage people can tank for (I think)
I don't think Zombie should get banned although some punishment is in order. In itself they showed a flaw in the game, Concord not being powerful enough, but they should have stopped once a GM told them too. Exploit or not, when you're asked by a GM to do whatever you do so, for the benefit of the game.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:55:00 -
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News just in - Concord are mining in Pator belts to build more ships
Concord please contact me, I have an intelligence implant you can buy
Props to Zombie
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:56:00 -
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yeah it was a diffrent situation.. not so mutch diffrent.. m0o used things that was availble to al but not balanced.. they dident get banned so why should zombie..
No, its totally different because when m0o did it, there were no sentry guns and no concord attacks that were avoided.
As for Zombie getting banned, I don't care either way; if they do go out, thats one heck of bang to do it on.
where did i say it was the same thing?
only pointed out that its diffrent but not diffrent in what was used.. unbalanced things and in this situation Lousy concord
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Hillbilly bobby
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:57:00 -
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The Devs has spoken now, new news item - All lost items will be returned and the zombie members involved have been banned.
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.03.04 10:01:00 -
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and drunken when will the vid be out.. i want to see
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.03.04 10:13:00 -
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and drunken when will the vid be out.. i want to see
SoonÖ
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Coreantes
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Posted - 2004.03.04 10:14:00 -
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Quote:
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and drunken when will the vid be out.. i want to see
Soon™
Nice.... you got the whole slaughter?
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.03.04 10:35:00 -
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Now, I didnt see the event, nor was I on at the time it happened.
My sole source of information is from the board but from what I can gather the Zombiez have pointed out a design flaw.
The only reason the zombie ganking player could survive was because he had a number of suportships that were feeding him power (be it shields, cap or quafe it dont matter). If that suport ended in some way he would soon get dested by Concord.
The design flaw is obviously that concord did not attack the support ships (like people have pointed out earlier), if EvE worked in the best possible way then CCP would be able to employ people to fly the concorde ships (or invent a real AI), first thing thise inteligent concorde agents would do is realize the fact that the ships suporting the criminal is just as guilty as the criminal and thus valid targets.
They would then have simply webbed, warpjammed and killed all the involved ships.
Since concorde is run by a script and unable to make such distinctions it is possible to abuse the game mechanics and remain safe as a suport ship.
This would in my mind qualify as an exploit but I will leave wether it is or not to CCP and the GM's.
Lastly now I would like to thank the Zombiez for being stupid enough to abuse this to the extent it has become a hot potato, now the devs will not be able to put it aside and one of two things will happen:
1: concord will be hotted up even more and we will hear the same people who now congratulate zombiez whine about the "uber" concord.
or
2: rewrite the code to make suporting a hostile vessel making you yourself hostile.
Again thank you Zombiez for making empire EvE a safer place :)
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.03.04 10:36:00 -
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Personally, I think CCP banning these guys is bull****. Zombie did NOTHING outside of current game mechanics!
Why didn't a second CONCORD group show up and start blasting the Zombie guys that were tanking the Apoc?
Better yet, why not just roleplay it out? Have CONCORD establish a Special Strike Team (GM Pilots) to hunt down those responsible?
But banning them? That's crap.
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Avon
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Posted - 2004.03.04 10:37:00 -
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I considered going down there and stopping them ... until I realised that the first action I took with no response from concord would be an exploit too.
Not sure what the GM's would have done, but why take the risk?
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Adrastos
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Posted - 2004.03.04 10:38:00 -
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sorry folks, you cant discuss GM actions on the forums, got to lock this topic.
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