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Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:13:00 - [1] Hi, I recently managed to lose a Myrmidon in a L3 mission, so I buy another Myrmidon to fly back and get my loot...wierdly the 2nd Myrmidon does the same as the first...the screen locks in only 1 little section of the map. I think mmm odd mebbe my connection, so I buy a 3rd Myrmidon....I fly 10km past the lock up point... ships fine....I warp away and come back 20kmn away...ships flying fine....I warp to the 2 wrecks now....screen locks up 45 seconds....dead.... So I page a GM thinking heh Im 4 months into EVE, 1 monthon my mission runner and they will recognise a bug if 3 ships freeze my screen in 1 location in a mission. Wierdly the GM's say ; - Hello, thank you for contacting the customer support. We are sorry to hear about your ship loss. Unfortunately we are unable to reimburse the ship as our server-side logs do not indicate that a bug/error within the game or a server related problem was the reason for your loss. This does not mean that we doubt your description of events in any way but I'm afraid it keeps our hands tied in regards to reimbursement. Our reimbursement policies are very strict and we can only reimburse if we are able to verify that a bug or server error caused the loss. We hope that you understand our position and that you will recover swiftly from the loss. SO I reply - stop messing about I want my 3 ships reimbursed.....But of course they wont, this goes on for 4 days wherby I eventually tell them heh stuff it i'll reconnect my wow account, afterall thier GM's are sorta fair with u and there is now wai on this planet am I spending 2 hours more setting up another ship after the glitchy game kills me 3 times. And their response LOL ;- I am sorry we couldn't help you any more than we did, I will close the petition for you now. Eve is not for everyone many people prefer easier games such as WoW, as Eve is a harsh place. If there is anything else we can help you with during your time in Eve please file a new petition. LMFAO The only Harsh thing Ive found in EVE is the GM's, the rest of the game was OK, a little laggy and the servers seemed to drop alot but heh it was OK overall, im a mining demon on my alt..700m isk in less than 3 months Anyways I will wish you all goodbye - I have played MMPORGS for 7 years and even though eve only has a few hundred thousand players I thought I had a future playing this game - the GM'S have made sure I have not. Its now wonder tbh with these GM's the subscription is so low. Adios
RigelKentaurus Flying Tartiflette Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:18:00 - [2] Edited by: RigelKentaurus on 16/11/2007 21:17:46 Posting GM messages is forbidden, you should edit your post. Have you disabled the autotargeting back option? _________ Someday, EVE might look like this.
xenoin Kanagawa Industries	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:19:00 - [3] well, don't post petition responses and if you o, do it with your main.
Ren Surkova Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:22:00 - [4] you won't be missed
Xonkra Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:22:00 - [5] ooooooooooh i get it ! its a joke thread Originally by: Illyria Ambri No matter how you want to say it.. it always sounds like frog clearing throat "Ve zurrendur, dunt schuut"
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:23:00 - [6] Have fun in WoW. Get a better PC. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:24:00 - [7] I am just curious what WoW would say if it knew it was called an easy game. btw - is WoW easy? I only ask as this is the only MMORPG I play and refuse to leave. ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
hangnoose Caldari The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:27:00 - [8] Can I have your stuff ?
Korran Minare Gallente Spaced Cowboys	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:30:00 - [9] WOW is a relentless boring grind, i still play it every so often cause i have a buddy i cant seem to convert to the goodness that is EVE.
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:31:00 - [10] Sucks... I'm new to the game and I have already had a few ship explode. So many wannabe pirates hang out in numbers near the schools, ganking lone n00bs as they are still getting used to EVE... anyway I know the feeling of loss well by now. As I get further into the game, buy more expensive ships, and spend a lot of time grinding to get there, its very hard to lose a ship of value... especially if its because of glitching or lag, which I have noticed happens with some frequency in EVE (probably because of the sheer numbers of connected peers.) Your end or their end, it was a glitch that caused you to lose your ships, I wholeheartedly believe you when you say this. Unfortunately, see it through the perspective of the GMs. How many "scammers and griefers' that EVE accommodates to would abuse that petition? I assume many hundreds have tried and failed. If a game caters to the bottom feeders of the MMO culture, (griefers/scammers/farmers) then expect to get shafted if you're a legit player.
Dei Amarr Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:32:00 - [11] The reinbursement system is a bit harsh, but it keeps the subscriptions down. I find this as a good thing atm tbh. Can you imagine if there were 60k people trying to connect to TQ? --- The true master paralyses his opponent, leaving him vulnerable to attack
Tallann	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:34:00 - [12] This reminds me of a certain Futurama episode. The brains attack and everyone is stupid, a train crashes, so the governor decides to help alleviate the problem by sending in more trains, which crash into the first train. Seriously, after the 2nd ship loss, you walk right into the same problem again. Nothing harsh about that GM response, its as simple as there is no evidence to support your claim, and they can't give you a millions and millions of isk just because you lost a ship. If you were going to petition, you should have done it the first time. I feel bad, but honestly, if you don't realise by now that you can actually lose assets, and that gm's don't just give them back because you said they should, you need to move on.
Soldopar	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:38:00 - [13] Hey mum, I am in a locked thread o/ Dont be afraid of the opposition: remember a kite rises against not with the wind!
Arvald Caldari Sten Industries	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:38:00 - [14] ahem KAN AA HAZ YO STUFFZ ---------------------------
Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Tallann This reminds me of a certain Futurama episode. The brains attack and everyone is stupid, a train crashes, so the governor decides to help alleviate the problem by sending in more trains, which crash into the first train. Seriously, after the 2nd ship loss, you walk right into the same problem again. Nothing harsh about that GM response, its as simple as there is no evidence to support your claim, and they can't give you a millions and millions of isk just because you lost a ship. If you were going to petition, you should have done it the first time. I feel bad, but honestly, if you don't realise by now that you can actually lose assets, and that gm's don't just give them back because you said they should, you need to move on. I agree But if the game kills me i expect reimbursement, Id even settle for the first ship back - I told em - They wouldnt do this.... Eve was pretty kewl till this, now the Gms attitude has made it suck so hard tbh. Wow i may not play your right, too many kids these days, but I gotta find some new game....
The RepoMan Caldari Red Horizon Inc Red Horizon	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:42:00 - [16] For those who missed the gm text, I'll give a brief summary, because it was pretty damn funny. Guy: OMG LOL IM A FREAKIN NUB GM: Sorry, being a nub is not grounds for reimbursement. Guy: OMG LOL IM GOING BACK TO WOW GM: Probably a good thing, you clearly suck at eve. GM: 1 Guy: -5 That said, I gained alot more respect for our loveable gms, and I allready had a bunch.
Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:44:00 - [17] Edited by: Lylz on 16/11/2007 21:46:06 Edited by: Lylz on 16/11/2007 21:44:04 Originally by: The RepoMan For those who missed the gm text, I'll give a brief summary, because it was pretty damn funny. Guy: OMG LOL IM A FREAKIN NUB GM: Sorry, being a nub is not grounds for reimbursement. Guy: OMG LOL IM GOING BACK TO WOW GM: Probably a good thing, you clearly suck at eve. GM: 1 Guy: -5 That said, I gained alot more respect for our loveable gms, and I allready had a bunch. Kin hell your a funny guy....funny like a clown.... I must suck at Eve if the game has a bug or glitch and locks my PC up....******
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:46:00 - [18] "Lylz" is a corruption of L.O.L. which stands for Laugh Out Loud.
Arvald Caldari Sten Industries	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:47:00 - [19] Originally by: Lylz Edited by: Lylz on 16/11/2007 21:44:04 Originally by: The RepoMan For those who missed the gm text, I'll give a brief summary, because it was pretty damn funny. Guy: OMG LOL IM A FREAKIN NUB GM: Sorry, being a nub is not grounds for reimbursement. Guy: OMG LOL IM GOING BACK TO WOW GM: Probably a good thing, you clearly suck at eve. GM: 1 Guy: -5 That said, I gained alot more respect for our loveable gms, and I allready had a bunch. Kin hell your a funny guy....funny like a clown.... 1. LOST SHIPS Please note that the insurance payout received when a ship is lost will be subtracted from a playerÆs wallet if the ship is reimbursed. Ships may be lost during combat with non-player (NPC) pirates or police forces, player-vs-player (PVP) combat or by self-destruction. 1. Ships lost in NPC combat may be replaced in cases where a bug has been verified through GM investigation as the cause. Such reimbursement would only be done at the discretion of a GM. 2. Ships lost during PVP combat may be replaced only in cases where a bug has been verified as the cause of the loss. Such reimbursement would only be done after an investigation and at the discretion of a GM. 3. Losses caused due to disconnection as a direct result of a server node drop or an unannounced server downtime may be reimbursed pending investigation by, and at the discretion of, a GM. Ships lost due to lag or non-server related disconnection will not be reimbursed. 4. Ships destroyed by use of the "self destruct" feature, whether intentionally or accidentally, cannot be reimbursed. ---------------------------
DrDopehat	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:50:00 - [20] Oh oh oh ! I get it..joke thread! hah hah hah. Seriously though, you're kidding right?

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:53:00 - [21] 9. Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue. You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned. I wish I could pay you in kind and post the petitions you sent, but sadly that's not the way society swings. I can't speak for the GMs. Never walked a foot in their shoes. But surely you can understand that we need to have log confirmation to reimburse anything. Otherwise we'd have to reimburse everything and that wouldn't really work. ~ Prism X EvE Soylent-Green Database Developer, Relocating your character to a cozy, giant secure container since 2006.

Serin Shadowstalker	Posted - 2007.11.16 21:59:00 - [22] I had a the same problem in missions. Most missions were fine but every now and then one mission would freeze eve. I finally figured out my sound card isn't supported by eve and every time I was shot by any blaster, the sound effect would freeze eve. Works great with sound disabled now. I never tried to get reimbursed, I thought, this is why they had insurance in the game.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.11.16 22:00:00 - [23] What you are describing is your game client locking up 3 times on a certain mission. This could either be your computer or a glitch within the game client. If you had read the rules on reimbursement, you would know that neither of those is a valid argument to get your ship back. The GMs can only look at the server side to see if there are any errors, not your client, so it's absurd to expect reimbursement. If they reimbursed under these circumstances, then everybody would claim their ship was lost due to a client glitch, and ship loss would be meaningless, a bit like dying in WoW doesn't matter that much. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.11.16 22:00:00 - [24] You know, erm...repeatedly doing the same thing expecting different results constitutes insanity... --
roxstar	Posted - 2007.11.16 22:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Serin Shadowstalker I had a the same problem in missions. Most missions were fine but every now and then one mission would freeze eve. I finally figured out my sound card isn't supported by eve and every time I was shot by any blaster, the sound effect would freeze eve. Works great with sound disabled now. I never tried to get reimbursed, I thought, this is why they had insurance in the game. I used to be annoyed graveyard running, but heh 2 hours to set a new ship up when the damn game has killed me, not my playstyle....nah never in this lifetime
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.11.16 22:03:00 - [26] You really, really shouldn't have made the same mistake two times. Why didn't you return in a shuttle and take screenies? Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.16 22:08:00 - [27] Edited by: Lylz on 16/11/2007 22:08:20 Originally by: Dr Paithos You really, really shouldn't have made the same mistake two times. Why didn't you return in a shuttle and take screenies? Cos im new to eve ;( Ive only done like 30 missions total, my prior character is a miner so missions was gonna be my thing..... I can afford 30 more Myrmidons but like hell im buying a 4th when the damn game kills me, evidence or not, Im a + 30 year old bloke, I aint gonna lie about a digital ship issue.... Anyways account subs cancelled end of, ill play out my last week or so....adios people
xenoin Kanagawa Industries	Posted - 2007.11.16 22:09:00 - [28] Well he already broke the rules posting GM responses so he may as well post what he actually went to them. AS screenshots ofc, within the next 30 mins so you dont have time to photoshop them :) then maybe we can all see what really went on
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.11.16 22:12:00 - [29] Originally by: Lylz Edited by: Lylz on 16/11/2007 22:08:20 Originally by: Dr Paithos You really, really shouldn't have made the same mistake two times. Why didn't you return in a shuttle and take screenies? Cos im new to eve ;( Ive only done like 30 missions total, my prior character is a miner so missions was gonna be my thing..... I can afford 30 more Myrmidons but like hell im buying a 4th when the damn game kills me, evidence or not, Im a + 30 year old bloke, I aint gonna lie about a digital ship issue.... Anyways account subs cancelled end of, ill play out my last week or so....adios people Games are buggy :/ It sucks. I've never encountered a bug like that, but I believe you. Thing is, a) it could be a hardware issue brought on by eve, rather than an eve issue and b) sometimes you just have to accept these things and move on, if you can't, then well move on to something else You effectively threatened to quit eve if you didn't get what you wanted, GMs don't respond well to threats though I'm sure they get them all the time. Doesn't matter that your threat was true Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
KarGard	Posted - 2007.11.16 22:42:00 - [30] Originally by: Neon Genesis Advancing in wow is just about 100% dependant on how much time you spend in the game. Advancing in eve is 100% dependant on how long you pay for it.
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise Skunk-Works	Posted - 2007.11.16 22:43:00 - [31] Originally by: KarGard Originally by: Neon Genesis Advancing in wow is just about 100% dependant on how much time you spend in the game. Advancing in eve is 100% dependant on how long you pay for it. Character sales make that not quite true, and it's only true in any sense if you're talking about "advancing" as getting more SP.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.11.16 22:46:00 - [32] It does suck to lose ships when its caused by lag or game bugs and after 3 ships anyone's gonna be angry, But next time try to use some restraint in your petitions as GMs are only human performing essentially a more stressful version of customer service. And regarding customer service CCP is fairly decent, try SOE or EA and you will know what Im talking about. Originally by: MOTOK0 A bit like the second coming of jesus only with screaming and tears and whine threads.
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.16 22:47:00 - [33] Originally by: KarGard Advancing in eve is 100% dependant on how long you pay for it. Or to be more precise, how much you're willing to spend altogether.
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.11.16 22:58:00 - [34] Originally by: KarGard Originally by: Neon Genesis Advancing in wow is just about 100% dependant on how much time you spend in the game. Advancing in eve is 100% dependant on how long you pay for it. Only if you consider the advancement of your character's skill as advancement on the whole. This would be incorrect. _
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.16 23:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Neon Genesis Only if you consider the advancement of your character's skill as advancement on the whole. This would be incorrect. There are fewer skills required to dominate in EVE as say, any FPS game to date. I think its more to do with your SP and wallet size than anything else tbh.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.11.16 23:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Pitt Bull There are fewer skills required to dominate in EVE as say, any FPS game to date. I think its more to do with your SP and wallet size than anything else tbh. EVEs like a RTS more than any other genre. Originally by: MOTOK0 A bit like the second coming of jesus only with screaming and tears and whine threads.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.16 23:23:00 - [37] Originally by: Pitt Bull Originally by: Neon Genesis Only if you consider the advancement of your character's skill as advancement on the whole. This would be incorrect. There are fewer skills required to dominate in EVE as say, any FPS game to date. I think its more to do with your SP and wallet size than anything else tbh. I'd like to see pure SP get someone the CEO's chair of a decent corp. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.16 23:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: JamnOne I am just curious what WoW would say if it knew it was called an easy game. btw - is WoW easy? I only ask as this is the only MMORPG I play and refuse to leave. Advancing in wow is just about 100% dependant on how much time you spend in the game. Yeah, I won't get far. Thanks to school and work I can't spend that much time in the game. ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.16 23:24:00 - [39] So what other games are worth trying at the moment, I feel sad am leaving Eve now but with GMS like the ones I talked too its a must
Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.16 23:26:00 - [40] U know whats really funny The petition i sent has multiplied Bug so there are ten of them lol. Is this game a beta...?
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.16 23:27:00 - [41] Originally by: Lylz So what other games are worth trying at the moment, I feel sad am leaving Eve now but with GMS like the ones I talked too its a must No, it is not a must it is a choice you are willing to make. I recommend, hanging out a little while longer. Next time you get that mission turn it down. Continue working on your skills and eventually you can take that mission and any other mission by yourself (lvl 3 on down). Also, next time you take a mission go to eveinfo.com or ask in the mission area of the forums about other mission help sites and it will help reduce your losses. ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.16 23:29:00 - [42] Originally by: JamnOne Originally by: Lylz So what other games are worth trying at the moment, I feel sad am leaving Eve now but with GMS like the ones I talked too its a must No, it is not a must it is a choice you are willing to make. I recommend, hanging out a little while longer. Next time you get that mission turn it down. Continue working on your skills and eventually you can take that mission and any other mission by yourself (lvl 3 on down). Also, next time you take a mission go to eveinfo.com or ask in the mission area of the forums about other mission help sites and it will help reduce your losses. Will this help when the screen freezes in a certain place...?
Peter VonThal Raygun Technologies	Posted - 2007.11.16 23:29:00 - [43] Originally by: Lylz So what other games are worth trying at the moment, I feel sad am leaving Eve now but with GMS like the ones I talked too its a must HKOW I've heard nothing but good things about their GMs.
Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.16 23:33:00 - [44] my alt account cancelled too, he was just in a hulk too ;( - after seeing the hello kitty site it's worth it. Genuinely - was fun the guys I played with who were kewl cya about
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.11.16 23:35:00 - [45] get in touch with me if you want to run some missions and be shown around ;)
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.16 23:37:00 - [46] Originally by: Lylz Originally by: JamnOne Originally by: Lylz So what other games are worth trying at the moment, I feel sad am leaving Eve now but with GMS like the ones I talked too its a must No, it is not a must it is a choice you are willing to make. I recommend, hanging out a little while longer. Next time you get that mission turn it down. Continue working on your skills and eventually you can take that mission and any other mission by yourself (lvl 3 on down). Also, next time you take a mission go to eveinfo.com or ask in the mission area of the forums about other mission help sites and it will help reduce your losses. Will this help when the screen freezes in a certain place...? If the screen freezes in the exact same spot everytime screen shot it and send it with any other information you can when you file your petition. Be precise as possible. If it is lag that is causing the screen freezing then you don't get the ship back but if it is a different issue that between your information and their logs it might help get it back. Also, with the mission help sites sometimes players will say if they experienced lag or not as well as how many ships they are going up against. There were a few times when I first started I kept dying in the same spot everytime - rookie mistakes - usually it was heavy lag and it appeared as if the screen had frozen just before I blew up...that really sux dying in slow motion. ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.11.16 23:55:00 - [47] Originally by: JamnOne Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: JamnOne I am just curious what WoW would say if it knew it was called an easy game. btw - is WoW easy? I only ask as this is the only MMORPG I play and refuse to leave. Advancing in wow is just about 100% dependant on how much time you spend in the game. Yeah, I won't get far. Thanks to school and work I can't spend that much time in the game. It's a ridiculous waste of time and anyone who reaches level 70 is pretty much automatically a giant loser. _
Tek'a Rain Gallente Isis Technologies	Posted - 2007.11.17 00:28:00 - [48] ignore all those meanies, I will happily defend your good name* on the (serious business) internet spaceship forums, all I require is your stuff. *all contracts to become void after the transfer of stuff
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.11.17 00:38:00 - [49] Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 17/11/2007 00:38:55 Originally by: Lylz So what other games are worth trying at the moment, I feel sad am leaving Eve now but with GMS like the ones I talked too its a must If you haven't got it get the Orange Box Originally by: MOTOK0 A bit like the second coming of jesus only with screaming and tears and whine threads.
Summer River	Posted - 2007.11.17 01:00:00 - [50] Originally by: Lylz Anyways account subs cancelled end of, ill play out my last week or so....adios people I will try not to laugh as the door hits yet you in the ass on the way out.
Lilian Long	Posted - 2007.11.17 01:02:00 - [51] Originally by: KarGard Originally by: Neon Genesis Advancing in wow is just about 100% dependant on how much time you spend in the game. Advancing in eve is 100% dependant on how long you pay for it. At some point, it's doesn't give you an advantage over newer players anymore, except that you can choose from a bigger variety of ships. Nevertheless you can only fly one ship at a time. I could rather need a few billion isk than 10 or 20 mil more SP and sadly my wallet doesn't fill itself, while being more or less inactive.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.17 01:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Lilian Long sadly my wallet doesn't fill itself You're doing it wrong then _ Char creation \| Stacknerfs \| Invention \|CNVTF
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.11.17 01:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Lilian Long sadly my wallet doesn't fill itself You're doing it wrong then does dying in a level 3 with a myrm also count as doing it wrong (im not even counting going back and losing 2 more ) i vote yes
Daelorn State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.17 01:42:00 - [54] You die once... You go back... You die again... But no you go back a 3rd time, what did you expect? I would love to see you around a open flame...
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.11.17 02:49:00 - [55] Originally by: Lylz Edited by: Lylz on 16/11/2007 22:08:20 Originally by: Dr Paithos You really, really shouldn't have made the same mistake two times. Why didn't you return in a shuttle and take screenies? Cos im new to eve ;( Ive only done like 30 missions total, my prior character is a miner so missions was gonna be my thing..... I can afford 30 more Myrmidons but like hell im buying a 4th when the damn game kills me, evidence or not, Im a + 30 year old bloke, I aint gonna lie about a digital ship issue.... Anyways account subs cancelled end of, ill play out my last week or so....adios people Bye... better that you leave now if you cant handle a loss. EVE is harsh, it isnt for everyone. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
LastTraitorStanding Amarr The Imperial Assassins	Posted - 2007.11.17 02:53:00 - [56] YOUR STUFF! CAN I HAS IT?!?! -------------------------------- Semper ubi sub ubi
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.11.17 02:56:00 - [57] Originally by: Pitt Bull Originally by: Neon Genesis Only if you consider the advancement of your character's skill as advancement on the whole. This would be incorrect. There are fewer skills required to dominate in EVE as say, any FPS game to date. I think its more to do with your SP and wallet size than anything else tbh. Tell that to Tyrrax. Sorry I couldnt resist. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Sister Impotentata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:06:00 - [58] Originally by: JamnOne I am just curious what WoW would say if it knew it was called an easy game. btw - is WoW easy? I only ask as this is the only MMORPG I play and refuse to leave. WoW is easy if you're familiar with the assumptions made in a typical fantasy setting. Pretty girls heal, ugly guys wreck. You want to be a Pally or a Thief, you know pretty much what kind of items you want to equip, even if you don't know exactly what they are. With EVE it's a complete learning experience. Even if I decide the role I want to play is a role typified in the normal fantasy setting, the path to achieving that role is not obvious in the selection of modules. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
Synseer Minmatar Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2007.11.17 05:53:00 - [59] Originally by: CCP Prism X But surely you can understand that we need to have log confirmation to reimburse anything. Otherwise we'd have to reimburse everything and that wouldn't really work. The best thing about this is that GMs dont actually log combat. I petitioned my recent podkiling outside a station where I should have docked before I was dead. I added up all the damage i took and it was less than the amount of hps I had on my pod. I shouldnt have died right? well GMs dont care about this as they tell me they didnt "log" it and they cant reimburse anything they didnt log. WOW CCP what a good idea to solve the problem of annoying petitions, If you just dont log anything, nothing is provable so you can just spam everyone the same "we're sorry bull shi.t" message. BTW, this much of a response took me roughly a month and a half to recieve. The GMs and bugs in this game is its biggest turnoff
Devian 666 Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.17 06:00:00 - [60] Originally by: Synseer Originally by: CCP Prism X But surely you can understand that we need to have log confirmation to reimburse anything. Otherwise we'd have to reimburse everything and that wouldn't really work. The best thing about this is that GMs dont actually log combat. I petitioned my recent podkiling outside a station where I should have docked before I was dead. I added up all the damage i took and it was less than the amount of hps I had on my pod. I shouldnt have died right? well GMs dont care about this as they tell me they didnt "log" it and they cant reimburse anything they didnt log. WOW CCP what a good idea to solve the problem of annoying petitions, If you just dont log anything, nothing is provable so you can just spam everyone the same "we're sorry bull shi.t" message. BTW, this much of a response took me roughly a month and a half to recieve. The GMs and bugs in this game is its biggest turnoff "Sorry our logs don't show anything." Overnerfing creates unbalanced ship builds. Stop overnerfing!
Stiches	Posted - 2007.11.17 06:23:00 - [61] threads like these is why i enjoy killing people in eve. J.F.C ... "can i have your stuff" "you will not be missed" "noob" "haz stuff give plz" give the man a rest, ffs. he played the game, didn't like it, he's moving. Sometimes i think people who choose to play hellokitty online are more mature than most of you lot. what are you? 12? geh.
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.11.17 06:36:00 - [62] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Lilian Long sadly my wallet doesn't fill itself You're doing it wrong then does dying in a level 3 with a myrm also count as doing it wrong (im not even counting going back and losing 2 more ) i vote yes Hehe! Head, meet wall. --
kanojo1969	Posted - 2007.11.17 06:46:00 - [63] I would rather see Lylz stay in the game than just about any of the people who have replied, tbqfh. Anyway, the point of me posting was to agree that the 'we have no logs' excuse is just about the lamest thing I've ever heard. I've lost dozens of ships to lag and bugs but never submitted a petition until one day I got ganked by some pirates who had camped a station with cans. I undocked, got stuck, they warped in with 5 or 6 BS and tanked the sentries for the 20 seconds it took to kill me. Long story short - "We would give you your ship back because that's an exploit, but we can't tell because we don't have logs" What in the wide wide world of sports is that supposed to mean? Am I supposed to keep logs? Do they actually log anything ever? Or do they just delete them 'cos disk space is soooooo expensive these days? I didn't throw a tanty and threaten to leave. But I've spent a lot of time since then setting up a trader character so I can pay my accounts with ISK instead of RL money with about 5 minutes work a day. Seriously, if they only keep logs for like 10 seconds, the very least they could do is have a 'keep a record of what just happened' button so players can flag certain loggings as perhaps being worth keeping. GG CCP
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.17 07:16:00 - [64] Originally by: kanojo1969 I've lost dozens of ships to lag and bugs but never submitted a petition until one day I got ganked by some pirates who had camped a station with cans. Unfortunate that you got screwed but how can you say the system is fail if you only have one instance with which to judge it by? And why didn't you petition the dozens of other losses? Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.17 07:50:00 - [65] Originally by: CCP Prism X I wish I could pay you in kind and post the petitions you sent, but sadly that's not the way society swings. You see I think this line is the giveaway to what's really happened here. I think what Prism X was hinting at there is that Lylz petitions were rude/demanding/abusive/told a different story to the one that's been painted in this thread. Wouldn't be the first time someone told porky pies about their interactions with GM's on the forums now, would it? Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Disco Flint Caldari Disco Corp.	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:43:00 - [66] Edited by: Disco Flint on 17/11/2007 08:44:27 What were you doing in that mission if your Myrmiddon can't even tank it for 45 seconds? And seriously, wouldn't you rather shoot the rats first with a tank that fragile before wandering off to loot? And why try it again and again with the same approach that got you killed before and before? Sounds to me like you either lagged or your pc froze for a bit, both problems not on the CCP end, both not verifiable by CCP. Would it be fairer if people got ships back they probably didnt even have in the first place just by whining loud enough? How could CCP know if they're lying or telling the truth if the logs show nothing? Would it be fair if only YOU got such a special treatment? And be a bit nicer when you want something from people and you might just get a response that's not ... wait, you actually threatened the GM to leave EVE and reactivate your WoW account if your demands for a special, preferred and not at all fair service were not met? Oh damn that just made my day :D
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:46:00 - [67] Originally by: Apocryphai Originally by: CCP Prism X I wish I could pay you in kind and post the petitions you sent, but sadly that's not the way society swings. You see I think this line is the giveaway to what's really happened here. I think what Prism X was hinting at there is that Lylz petitions were rude/demanding/abusive/told a different story to the one that's been painted in this thread. Wouldn't be the first time someone told porky pies about their interactions with GM's on the forums now, would it? I was thinking pretty much the same thing, especially considering his attitude in the OP.
Sicil Fioet Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:21:00 - [68] I really don't understand people who when seeing that something doesn't quite work go ahead and do that same thing second, third, and even fourth and fifth time. I think the most blatant case of this was a post I read long time ago made by some newbie who kept jumping in a cruiser into the same gate camp over and over again and then came to complain on forums about getting killed each time. There was also that guy in my old alliance who kept jumping into different 0.0 pipe systems without scouting or checking the map, and after ending up in a cloning vat he expressed his acute indignation on the matter in alliance chat on each occasion. Then there is this guy who flies exact same ship into the exact same mission where the ship didn't work and got promptly killed not just twice but three times. Whatever they are smoking when they do this must be some pretty potent stuff ...
Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.17 11:11:00 - [69] Originally by: Wild Rho Originally by: Apocryphai Originally by: CCP Prism X I wish I could pay you in kind and post the petitions you sent, but sadly that's not the way society swings. You see I think this line is the giveaway to what's really happened here. I think what Prism X was hinting at there is that Lylz petitions were rude/demanding/abusive/told a different story to the one that's been painted in this thread. Wouldn't be the first time someone told porky pies about their interactions with GM's on the forums now, would it? I was thinking pretty much the same thing, especially considering his attitude in the OP. Nah I was fine with the GM, I just didint accept his BS theres nothing we can do line - The society swings thing was pure BS and misdirection, Id happily let them post the full conversation, Yes I was rude at the end of day 6 message 9 but heh, who wouldnt be, I mean 6 days or more to sort a minor issue out....the Gm's Blow.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2007.11.17 11:17:00 - [70] Originally by: Lylz the servers seemed to drop alot Do we play the same game?
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.17 11:21:00 - [71] Originally by: Lylz Originally by: Wild Rho Originally by: Apocryphai Originally by: CCP Prism X I wish I could pay you in kind and post the petitions you sent, but sadly that's not the way society swings. You see I think this line is the giveaway to what's really happened here. I think what Prism X was hinting at there is that Lylz petitions were rude/demanding/abusive/told a different story to the one that's been painted in this thread. Wouldn't be the first time someone told porky pies about their interactions with GM's on the forums now, would it? I was thinking pretty much the same thing, especially considering his attitude in the OP. Nah I was fine with the GM, I just didint accept his BS theres nothing we can do line - The society swings thing was pure BS and misdirection, Id happily let them post the full conversation, Yes I was rude at the end of day 6 message 9 but heh, who wouldnt be, I mean 6 days or more to sort a minor issue out....the Gm's Blow. So you were Rude to the GM and thretened to cancel your accounts...Fantastic. Thats exactly what I did to the policemen who couldn't find my stolen laptop. I shouted at him and then punched him in the face.....perfectly reasonable you see. After all, I pay my taxes and my taxes pay him. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.17 11:26:00 - [72] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Lylz the servers seemed to drop alot Do we play the same game? Maybe you dont play everyday, but the servers have been offline at least 5 times in the last couple of months.....mebbe you role play when that happens and have a space station built in your bedroom...?
Sopha Serpentia Core Dynamics	Posted - 2007.11.17 11:26:00 - [73] Originally by: Lylz Nah I was fine with the GM, I just didint accept his BS theres nothing we can do line - The society swings thing was pure BS and misdirection, Id happily let them post the full conversation, Yes I was rude at the end of day 6 message 9 but heh, who wouldnt be, I mean 6 days or more to sort a minor issue out....the Gm's Blow. Would you like some cheese with your whine? Rearrange the following sentence: stuff I? your have all can
Dead3y3	Posted - 2007.11.17 11:28:00 - [74] Lylz, I think you have already stated you were leaving more than once in this thread. Go already!?
Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.17 11:44:00 - [75] Originally by: Sopha Serpentia Originally by: Lylz Nah I was fine with the GM, I just didint accept his BS theres nothing we can do line - The society swings thing was pure BS and misdirection, Id happily let them post the full conversation, Yes I was rude at the end of day 6 message 9 but heh, who wouldnt be, I mean 6 days or more to sort a minor issue out....the Gm's Blow. Would you like some cheese with your whine? Rearrange the following sentence: stuff I? your have all can I love all these ex wow players who use the stuff they read on wow forums 4 years ago.... The can I have your stuff one...its so much funnier when your the 5th person in a thread to type it...lol u lame tard
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2007.11.17 11:45:00 - [76] Originally by: Lylz Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Lylz the servers seemed to drop alot Do we play the same game? Maybe you dont play everyday, but the servers have been offline at least 5 times in the last couple of months.....mebbe you role play when that happens and have a space station built in your bedroom...? You do know of the daily scheduled downtime, yes?
Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.17 11:51:00 - [77] Edited by: Lylz on 17/11/2007 11:52:28 Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Lylz Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Lylz the servers seemed to drop alot Do we play the same game? Maybe you dont play everyday, but the servers have been offline at least 5 times in the last couple of months.....mebbe you role play when that happens and have a space station built in your bedroom...? You do know of the daily scheduled downtime, yes? So your saying u r unaware Eve has been crashed out for hours at a time....Go back through the forums - read the messages titles - server down youll see what u evidently missed....or was that u being funny....lol good one
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.17 11:57:00 - [78] Originally by: Lylz Edited by: Lylz on 17/11/2007 11:52:28 Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Lylz Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Lylz the servers seemed to drop alot Do we play the same game? Maybe you dont play everyday, but the servers have been offline at least 5 times in the last couple of months.....mebbe you role play when that happens and have a space station built in your bedroom...? You do know of the daily scheduled downtime, yes? So your saying u r unaware Eve has been crashed out for hours at a time....Go back through the forums - read the messages titles - server down youll see what u evidently missed....or was that u being funny....lol good one Listen mate. If it's sympathy you're looking for, you won't be getting any from anyone, so drop the posting and quit already. 1. You did something stupid and lost three ships. 2. You petitioned and they rejected your petition. 3. You were rude to them and tried to coerce them into doing what you wanted. Didn't work. 4. You posted petitions on the forum hoping for community support and sympathy. Didn't work. 5. You've posted repeatedly that you're quitting and yet you are still haunting this thread. You have lost and Darwin has won, accept it and move on. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2007.11.17 12:00:00 - [79] Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 17/11/2007 12:00:18 Originally by: Lylz Edited by: Lylz on 17/11/2007 11:52:28 Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Lylz Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Lylz the servers seemed to drop alot Do we play the same game? Maybe you dont play everyday, but the servers have been offline at least 5 times in the last couple of months.....mebbe you role play when that happens and have a space station built in your bedroom...? You do know of the daily scheduled downtime, yes? So your saying u r unaware Eve has been crashed out for hours at a time....Go back through the forums - read the messages titles - server down youll see what u evidently missed....or was that u being funny....lol good one I've been playing for about a year, and I've played almost daily for most of that time. Aside from daily scheduled one hour downtimes, extended downtimes for patch deployments, and server trouble that tends to happen in the 24 hour or so after a patch (or a few days after a major expansion), there's been maybe 3-4 total instances at most of server trouble over this last year.
Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.17 12:07:00 - [80] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 17/11/2007 12:00:18 Originally by: Lylz Edited by: Lylz on 17/11/2007 11:52:28 Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Lylz Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Lylz the servers seemed to drop alot Do we play the same game? Maybe you dont play everyday, but the servers have been offline at least 5 times in the last couple of months.....mebbe you role play when that happens and have a space station built in your bedroom...? You do know of the daily scheduled downtime, yes? So your saying u r unaware Eve has been crashed out for hours at a time....Go back through the forums - read the messages titles - server down youll see what u evidently missed....or was that u being funny....lol good one I've been playing for about a year, and I've played almost daily for most of that time. Aside from daily scheduled one hour downtimes, extended downtimes for patch deployments, and server trouble that tends to happen in the 24 hour or so after a patch (or a few days after a major expansion), there's been maybe 3-4 total instances at most of server trouble over this last year. and i said 5 times......wtf is this - go away u dweeb
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2007.11.17 12:11:00 - [81] Originally by: Lylz Originally by: Reem Fairchild Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 17/11/2007 12:00:18 Originally by: Lylz Edited by: Lylz on 17/11/2007 11:52:28 Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Lylz Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Lylz the servers seemed to drop alot Do we play the same game? Maybe you dont play everyday, but the servers have been offline at least 5 times in the last couple of months.....mebbe you role play when that happens and have a space station built in your bedroom...? You do know of the daily scheduled downtime, yes? So your saying u r unaware Eve has been crashed out for hours at a time....Go back through the forums - read the messages titles - server down youll see what u evidently missed....or was that u being funny....lol good one I've been playing for about a year, and I've played almost daily for most of that time. Aside from daily scheduled one hour downtimes, extended downtimes for patch deployments, and server trouble that tends to happen in the 24 hour or so after a patch (or a few days after a major expansion), there's been maybe 3-4 total instances at most of server trouble over this last year. and i said 5 times......wtf is this - go away u dweeb You said in the last month. I'm pretty sure it hasn't been down at all (except for sceduled downtimes) in the last month.
Lylz	Posted - 2007.11.17 12:34:00 - [82] Whatever....u r the expert
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2007.11.17 12:38:00 - [83] Originally by: Lylz Whatever....u r the expert And you seem to be the idiot in this thread.
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2007.11.17 13:09:00 - [84] Apparently we've gone from snip to nuke, well this makes me feel comfy. Say no to knee-jerk additions and nerfs, mmkay?
Red Panda VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2007.11.17 14:46:00 - [85] Originally by: Last wow patch Leveling Improvements Many leveling improvements have been made for the old world. o The amount of experience needed to gain a level has been decreased between levels 20 and 60. In addition, the amount of experience granted by quests has been increased between levels 30 and 60. o Level 1-60 dungeon quests have had their experience and faction rewards increased. o Many elite creatures and quests in the level 1-60 experience have been changed to accommodate solo play. Have fun in easy mode --------- Red Panda --------- ()_() ( '_') (")(") I need Bamboo !!
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.17 14:52:00 - [86] Originally by: Pitt Bull Originally by: Neon Genesis Only if you consider the advancement of your character's skill as advancement on the whole. This would be incorrect. There are fewer skills required to dominate in EVE as say, any FPS game to date. I think its more to do with your SP and wallet size than anything else tbh. Yeah, a lot of people think that. It's a regular and frequent source of amusement to see them crying on the forums that their eBay-fu doesn't make them as uber as they'd assumed. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Lisento Slaven Amarr Capitalism Amuck	Posted - 2007.11.17 15:52:00 - [87] Why did you go back there to loot your wreck with a myrmidon? I would have bookmarked my wreck with my pod, fail the mission, then go back with a hauler. --- Put in space whales!
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.17 16:03:00 - [88] facepalm.jpg - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.17 16:22:00 - [89] This inspires me. Concept - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.

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