Originally by: Re Mi

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Originally by: NATMav

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As long as pilots continue to autopilot through empire in slowboating haulers with no tank, there will be pilots who look to profit from their demise.

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I tank, I take precautions, and I escape far more often than I get killed. I am not asking for zero risk. I am pointing out that higher risk makes hauling more expensive and difficult, and that by targetting haulers, alliances are not going to be successful in the long run at maintaining their own supply chain. The only result alliances will see is that prices go up and choices go down.

If a major alliance decides you need to die, you will die as a hauler. No hauler can escape a row of 8 Domis lined up at the gate, with good intel, planning and leadership. They will go down.

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Originally by: Re Mi

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Originally by: Tiberius Decius

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Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?

That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while

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I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk.

Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.

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Originally by: Hrin

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Edited by: Hrin on 17/11/2007 04:21:47
Is this why the OP is poasting?

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Originally by: Danyael Tyren

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...they are greedy jews...

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Originally by: Admiral Love

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Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty.

Originally by: Wind Ictiva

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Originally by: Danyael Tyren

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...they are greedy jews...

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ouch! should be more careful, you might hurt someones feelings or something

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Originally by: Re Mi

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Originally by: Divus

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i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?

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Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.

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Originally by: Re Mi

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Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:05:10

Originally by: Misfitsa

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Originally by: Re Mi

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I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.

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qft
i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?

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I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?

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Originally by: Re Mi

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Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.

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Originally by: Mickey Knox

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he must have wandered over here from WoW, where everything is fair so nobody gets their little feelings hurt.

I can only imagine the amount of whining in local when your precious little badger gets blown up, so that alon eis well worth the standings loss. hell i shot a cheetha in low sec yesterday that just didnt cloak fast enough for my taste.

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Originally by: Re Mi

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It seems people where I am trading, people have drawn unwanted attention from some alliances who do not want supplies delivered to certain areas of Empire. I have yet to lose a major load, but this cuts back on my profits and ability to move goods. I believe I know who those people are who are behind this. But I am just a trader and industrialist, I don't have a capital fleet handy to protect myself. I don't want to name names, or even the region this is happening, for fear of further attacks, but please stop attacking empire haulers. I live primarily in empire because most 0.0 corps are taskmasters who take the fun out of the game for Industrialists. We have no interest in your war, and only want to do what we do in Empire.

This kind of interdiction which attacks ALL haulers is excessive. I notice we are not the only Empire Industrialists being griefed. I see the broken haulers all the time along these routes and the situation is getting worse. Even a freighter load of trit might be a target now. Much of what is going on is pirates, but I have been doing a little bit of intel work, mostly by cataloging bios, and tracking gangs and seeing who is working with each other, that seems to show its not just piracy. I believe that some of what is going on is part of a campaign to kill off suppliers in that area to deny access to resources, with a bonus of pirate loot for the attacker. As far as I can see that seems to be the goal for at least some of these attacks. The freighter take downs of neutral parties are particularly disturbing (although we thankfully haven't had a loss of that kind). I don't think it is appropriate to gank people who don't side with your 0.0 alliance who live in Empire who are completely neutral. This mostly affects people who have absolutely nothing to do with your war, which are empire corps, miners, missioners and so on. There are 85% of eve citizens who live in Empire and don't want to be a part of your war.

I fully understand if you need to attack alts from other alliances. But don't attack neutral parties.

Alliances that pledge not to attack neutral empire haulers, please sign this post.

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Originally by: Cpt Angus

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Once again i urge CCP to remove ALL weapons from eve online, can't you see that people are getting shot up and actually being killed out there? All forms of combat must be removed from the game as it is the only way to stop people from getting dead!

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Originally by: Itzcoatl

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Edited by: Itzcoatl on 21/11/2007 07:30:29
My friend you must be the cutest 0.0 trader i have ever known in my short EVE life.

Im a trader and ill point at you what everyone knows already:

Why NBSI alliances shoot at Neutral haulers?

Answers:

1.- As the name says NBSI (NOT BLUE SCREW IT)
2.- They want the kill mail to boast bout the mail with some friends and have a laugh while playing with your pod to see how many ppl they can get in the mail. (ewar in a pod FTW)
3.- They search for possible shinny items in cargo
4.- They think its fun to see things explode.
5.- Cose they can
6.- Cose they want
7.- Cose you will be ****ed

and i can go on and on with reasons, so my recomendation to you is, get used to it cose it aint going to change any time soon, and most likely its going to get worst for you after this post.

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Originally by: Kortalis Hellion

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Holy **** you can get attacked in EVE?!

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Originally by: Re Mi

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Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:01:05
I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.

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And I am not talking about low sec, empire ganks in an organized way.

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