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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 02:37:00 -
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It seems people where I am trading, people have drawn unwanted attention from some alliances who do not want supplies delivered to certain areas of Empire. I have yet to lose a major load, but this cuts back on my profits and ability to move goods. I believe I know who those people are who are behind this. But I am just a trader and industrialist, I don't have a capital fleet handy to protect myself. I don't want to name names, or even the region this is happening, for fear of further attacks, but please stop attacking empire haulers. I live primarily in empire because most 0.0 corps are taskmasters who take the fun out of the game for Industrialists. We have no interest in your war, and only want to do what we do in Empire.
This kind of interdiction which attacks ALL haulers is excessive. I notice we are not the only Empire Industrialists being griefed. I see the broken haulers all the time along these routes and the situation is getting worse. Even a freighter load of trit might be a target now. Much of what is going on is pirates, but I have been doing a little bit of intel work, mostly by cataloging bios, and tracking gangs and seeing who is working with each other, that seems to show its not just piracy. I believe that some of what is going on is part of a campaign to kill off suppliers in that area to deny access to resources, with a bonus of pirate loot for the attacker. As far as I can see that seems to be the goal for at least some of these attacks. The freighter take downs of neutral parties are particularly disturbing (although we thankfully haven't had a loss of that kind). I don't think it is appropriate to gank people who don't side with your 0.0 alliance who live in Empire who are completely neutral. This mostly affects people who have absolutely nothing to do with your war, which are empire corps, miners, missioners and so on. There are 85% of eve citizens who live in Empire and don't want to be a part of your war.
I fully understand if you need to attack alts from other alliances. But don't attack neutral parties.
Alliances that pledge not to attack neutral empire haulers, please sign this post.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.17 02:39:00 -
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I'm going to assume you're kidding. To do otherwise would be too painful.
--P
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Humjob
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 02:42:00 -
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Goonfleet pledges not to blow up pubbie freighters for fun and profit. Come trade with us fellow space blacksmithe.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.17 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Re Mi I don't think it is appropriate to gank people who don't side with your 0.0 alliance who live in Empire who are completely neutral. Alliances that pledge not to attack neutral empire haulers, please sign this post.
Some people do it for fun...sorry that idea is lost on you
This is kind of the same argument where a 20day old guy says he should not be killed in low sec. He claims he is not threat to anyone, and should be allowed to do what he likes...risk free
If you are in a ship in space, you are a target
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Misfitsa
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 02:54:00 -
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Tell me where the rogues are and I swear by Graptar's hammer I shall avenge thee.
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:01:05 I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.
edit* And I am not talking about low sec, empire ganks in an organized way.
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Misfitsa
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Re Mi I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.
qft i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:05:00 -
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Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:05:10
Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.
qft i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?
I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?
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Humjob
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:05:10
Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.
qft i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?
I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?
lulz
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:05:10
Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.
qft i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?
I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?
To break your carebear heart. ________ "It's a good day to die!"
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Jim Linger
Naughty 40 Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:05:10
Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.
qft i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?
I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?
To break your carebear heart.
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:05:10
Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.
qft i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?
I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?
They shoot you because they dont know whats in your cargohold. everybody shoot haulers, you know why? because there is zero risk, and you never know which one is going to drop an estamel invuln or a t2 bpo.
everybody hopes for that perfect hauler score, and always will. -
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Pilk I'm going to assume you're kidding. To do otherwise would be too painful.
--P
I am not kidding. To see ships get taken down when there is no economic benefit, and a long hard standings grind to get standings back, does not make any sense unless it has a war purpose. What triggered my looking deeper into this was getting shot at with an empty hold. No pirate shoots at an empty hauler in empire. If I hadn't been warp stabbed I would have died, I was already into structure when I was able to warp to station. How do you explain something like that?
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Misfitsa
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Pilk I'm going to assume you're kidding. To do otherwise would be too painful.
--P
I am not kidding. To see ships get taken down when there is no economic benefit, and a long hard standings grind to get standings back, does not make any sense unless it has a war purpose. What triggered my looking deeper into this was getting shot at with an empty hold. No pirate shoots at an empty hauler in empire. If I hadn't been warp stabbed I would have died, I was already into structure when I was able to warp to station. How do you explain something like that?
this gimmick is getting old. no one is this dense
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Pilk I'm going to assume you're kidding. To do otherwise would be too painful.
--P
I am not kidding. To see ships get taken down when there is no economic benefit, and a long hard standings grind to get standings back, does not make any sense unless it has a war purpose. What triggered my looking deeper into this was getting shot at with an empty hold. No pirate shoots at an empty hauler in empire. If I hadn't been warp stabbed I would have died, I was already into structure when I was able to warp to station. How do you explain something like that?
Some of us don't care about standing loss, as we never leave low-sec or 0.0. Perhaps you should have thought of that before making a whine thread? ________ "It's a good day to die!"
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Nova Crisis
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:20:00 -
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You steal our isk with your high prices so we'll steal yours by killing your haulers and getting the occasional shiny items.
Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Pilk I'm going to assume you're kidding. To do otherwise would be too painful.
--P
I am not kidding. To see ships get taken down when there is no economic benefit, and a long hard standings grind to get standings back, does not make any sense unless it has a war purpose. What triggered my looking deeper into this was getting shot at with an empty hold. No pirate shoots at an empty hauler in empire. If I hadn't been warp stabbed I would have died, I was already into structure when I was able to warp to station. How do you explain something like that?
this gimmick is getting old. no one is this dense
Its happened more than once to people I know, all in the same area, cargo under 100 million, getting attacked, or things like minerals. Its not coincidence, its not an accident. I fly past the pirates in Uedama who run a gank machine, they don't take down these kinds of targets. It doesn't make any sense.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Humjob
Originally by: Re Mi
I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?
lulz
Dis
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:23:00 -
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How many wardecs do you have now?
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Hrin How many wardecs do you have now?
ooo good plan ________ "It's a good day to die!"
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hrin How many wardecs do you have now?
My haulers are clean alts. Go ahead.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:28:00 -
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Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread |
Divus
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:30:00 -
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i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you? -------------------------------------------------
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Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:30:00 -
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Guys I heard empire is completely safe. --
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Divus i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?
Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?
Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.
You do understand most large alliances, and even most small ones, are completely self sufficient right?
We only have a few hundred members and empire being 50 jumps away means we have nothing to rely on besides ourselves. ________ "It's a good day to die!"
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:53:00 -
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Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:54:11
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?
Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.
You do understand most large alliances, and even most small ones, are completely self sufficient right?
We only have a few hundred members and empire being 50 jumps away means we have nothing to rely on besides ourselves.
Surely you jest. 0.0 is anything but self sufficient. They have vast piles of isk that goes towards buying huge quantities of empire goods. Empire provides the surge capacity that makes alliances viable when they need to fight a war. If that is true that 0.0 is self sufficient, then who is buying all of my stuff? Its not mission runners. Its not small corps/alliances in empire.
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Zataaki
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: Zataaki on 17/11/2007 03:58:11 This is a pretty good troll but just on the off-chance that you're being serious, nobody cares what you haul in empire, and I imagine blowing up your haulers is pretty fun.
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zataaki Edited by: Zataaki on 17/11/2007 03:58:11 This is a pretty good troll but just on the off-chance that you're being serious, nobody cares what you haul in empire, and I imagine blowing up your haulers is pretty fun.
Thats funny, even if its bringing supplies you need to survive in your current war? Being a goon, you must know you have tremendous industrial capacity. You must also know you don't have anything close to what you need to operate at current levels. If someone were to choke off your empire supplies, you would be forced to divert massive manpower to industry, and you don't have an industrialist culture in your alliance to put it bluntly. You would not be able to sustain your current war. You need empire more than anyone.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2007.11.17 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:54:11
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?
Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.
You do understand most large alliances, and even most small ones, are completely self sufficient right?
We only have a few hundred members and empire being 50 jumps away means we have nothing to rely on besides ourselves.
Surely you jest. 0.0 is anything but self sufficient. They have vast piles of isk that goes towards buying huge quantities of empire goods. Empire provides the surge capacity that makes alliances viable when they need to fight a war. If that is true that 0.0 is self sufficient, then who is buying all of my stuff? Its not mission runners. Its not small corps/alliances in empire.
We have a full T1 and T2 ship production capability, as well as full T1 and T2 modules (when BPC's are available). There has never been a shortage of anything for us. Having a large industrial backround gives us this flexibility, and we've got nothing on the might of any of the larger alliances. ________ "It's a good day to die!"
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: Hrin on 17/11/2007 04:21:47 Is this why the OP is poasting?
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Malcore Trisus
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.11.17 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: Malcore Trisus on 17/11/2007 04:34:14 Edited by: Malcore Trisus on 17/11/2007 04:32:51
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?
Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.
You do understand most large alliances, and even most small ones, are completely self sufficient right?
We only have a few hundred members and empire being 50 jumps away means we have nothing to rely on besides ourselves.
Surely you jest. 0.0 is anything but self sufficient. They have vast piles of isk that goes towards buying huge quantities of empire goods. Empire provides the surge capacity that makes alliances viable when they need to fight a war. If that is true that 0.0 is self sufficient, then who is buying all of my stuff? Its not mission runners. Its not small corps/alliances in empire.
0.0 may not be sufficient but most corps and alliances are - they have to be to live in 0.0. I could count the number of times I've bout an item off the open market in 0.0 in the last 6 months on 1 hand.
The 0.0 market is way too inflated, erratic, and spread out to be able to rely on anyone but yourself and your corp.
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:54:11
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?
Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.
You do understand most large alliances, and even most small ones, are completely self sufficient right?
We only have a few hundred members and empire being 50 jumps away means we have nothing to rely on besides ourselves.
Surely you jest. 0.0 is anything but self sufficient. They have vast piles of isk that goes towards buying huge quantities of empire goods. Empire provides the surge capacity that makes alliances viable when they need to fight a war. If that is true that 0.0 is self sufficient, then who is buying all of my stuff? Its not mission runners. Its not small corps/alliances in empire.
We have a full T1 and T2 ship production capability, as well as full T1 and T2 modules (when BPC's are available). There has never been a shortage of anything for us. Having a large industrial backround gives us this flexibility, and we've got nothing on the might of any of the larger alliances.
I guess I don't know the inner workings of your alliance, but I do know what I sell and where, and I don't believe that for a second that alliances are independent, that is complete fiction. As far as production capacity, there are a lot of people as individuals who can make all T1 and T2 items and have the BPC stockpiled to invent short runs as needed. Thats not a big deal. Being able to supply massive volume is a big deal.
What makes the 0.0 economy possible is the newb in a velator that mines the trit in a 1.0 system, the gangs in hulks stripping empire belts, the missioners who crank out level 4's all day that melt their loot, that gets shipped and made into a Titan in 0.0. They supply the volume that is needed. Frankly, in terms of production cost, 0.0 is an expensive and difficult place to produce goods, and empire can do it better, cheaper, faster.
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Lianlan Lou
ISK Farmer and Sweatshop INC.
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Posted - 2007.11.17 04:51:00 -
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Eve isn't supposed to be a place where you can haul your little paper thin industrial with no risk involved.
again i'll say this simply HIGH SEC does not equal NO RISK.
Every time you undock you take a risk at being suicided on by someone, for their own enjoyment.
You signed up for all of this when you agreed to login. These ganks weren't about a "war" they were done because they could do it, and you didn't do anything to stop it. (fit extenders on your industrial, a warp core stab, and don't go afk.) signature goes here |
Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hrin Edited by: Hrin on 17/11/2007 04:21:47 Is this why the OP is poasting?
I read the link. If you have good enough intel to know who my haulers are, then you know none of them are on that list. I don't haul bulk into low sec or 0.0. That looks like the BOB carrier jump point in your link, where haulers are being killed by the dozen. If there was an alliance that did not need re-supply, I would expect it to be BOB. There is proof of concept anyway for what I am saying, that alliances need empire for supply.
Based on your example, if I get killed on my way to Kor-Azor Prime (where I have had trouble near Amarr in the past), those supplies could just as easily be going to you, as going to BOB, you don't know. But probably, they are going to neither of you. There are a number of active corps, and alliances that live in that regional complex, who buy more as an aggregate than both of you put together via hat route. If you shoot people before they get to Kor-Azor Prime you are probably shooting the wrong person. If you bring both BOB and GOON resources to bear on killing people in that hauling corridor, it will whither and die.
I stay in empire for the most part. But that tactic is what is working its way into empire, the tactic of hitting haulers, and I am not going to claim it is by any alliance in particular because I don't want to label a particular alliance with guilt. I am not taking shots at the Goons. What I don't want to see is every hauler getting targetted well within empire space, just because they are in a particular region. That is what I see creeping into the game.
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Tiberius Decius
Daedalus Initiative Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.17 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:54:11
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?
Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.
You do understand most large alliances, and even most small ones, are completely self sufficient right?
We only have a few hundred members and empire being 50 jumps away means we have nothing to rely on besides ourselves.
Surely you jest. 0.0 is anything but self sufficient. They have vast piles of isk that goes towards buying huge quantities of empire goods. Empire provides the surge capacity that makes alliances viable when they need to fight a war. If that is true that 0.0 is self sufficient, then who is buying all of my stuff? Its not mission runners. Its not small corps/alliances in empire.
We have a full T1 and T2 ship production capability, as well as full T1 and T2 modules (when BPC's are available). There has never been a shortage of anything for us. Having a large industrial backround gives us this flexibility, and we've got nothing on the might of any of the larger alliances.
I guess I don't know the inner workings of your alliance, but I do know what I sell and where, and I don't believe that for a second that alliances are independent, that is complete fiction. As far as production capacity, there are a lot of people as individuals who can make all T1 and T2 items and have the BPC stockpiled to invent short runs as needed. Thats not a big deal. Being able to supply massive volume is a big deal.
What makes the 0.0 economy possible is the newb in a velator that mines the trit in a 1.0 system, the gangs in hulks stripping empire belts, the missioners who crank out level 4's all day that melt their loot, that gets shipped and made into a Titan in 0.0. They supply the volume that is needed. Frankly, in terms of production cost, 0.0 is an expensive and difficult place to produce goods, and empire can do it better, cheaper, faster.
Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?
That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.11.17 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Paithos on 17/11/2007 05:22:20 The only modules I've ever bought in 0.0 were an interceptor and a couple nano IIs. This is because the ship was cheaper than Jita price.
Supplying 0.0 markets is convenient for some people, but the majority sort out their own stuff, or at worst buy it on alliance (outpost) internal markets/via forums. Don't kid yourself your supplies make a real difference to spaceholding alliances. If you ship to lowsec I'd expect the majority of your sales go to the same people who blow up your haulers for "no reason".
The days of Not Red Don't Shoot are long gone. I can just about count people who won't attack neutral empire haulers on one hand - ISS, IAC, Star Fraction, can't really think of any others.
People have no guarantee you're neutral, anyway. If you're selling your stuff on the open market hostiles could buy it. Better to protect your blues, and if they do that kinda thing the profit goes to them. Blowing up neutrals and taking their stuff, if it's worth it, is the only way to be sure. Protectionism itt
Oh you're talking about suiciding in hisec empire? Bleh well same thing it makes no difference to the market so it makes no difference to alliances (if they even need the market at all)
Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
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Riddal
The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.17 05:26:00 -
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Just stay in Jita, docked, and you won't get blown up.
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 05:33:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Tiberius Decius
Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?
That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while
I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk.
Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2007.11.17 05:35:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Tiberius Decius
Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?
That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while
I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk.
Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.
Show me the alliance who is going to ship 100m trit 50 jumps. ________ "It's a good day to die!"
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SengH
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.11.17 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon Edited by: Admiral Pelleon on 17/11/2007 05:35:37
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Tiberius Decius
Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?
That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while
I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk.
Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.
Show me the alliance who is going to ship 100m trit 50 jumps. Or they could have the lower ranked players sit in a belt, in a gang of 50, and mine trit for a day.
Hi, I'd like to introduce both of you to a novel concept called the hauler spawn. On an average ratting day you run into at least one and more often than not they contain ridiculous amounts of trit with most people cant be bothered to haul. The average hauler spawn ive seen contains anywhere from 20-30mil trit. However in NPC regions I've seen it go up to 300mil trit (3 haulers dropped 10 cans of 10mil trit each) from a single spawn and most people let them pop because no one can be arsed to haul it.
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Misfitsa
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 06:41:00 -
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how are people still falling for this troll?
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.17 07:13:00 -
[43]
This Ri-Ri....er, Re Mi, has to be a trollus profundus, to shrug off that every 0.0 alliance has some kind of industrial wing, whether alts or under the alliance flag, that does their own production, mining, and hauling. I order you, Re Mi, to get back under your bridge.
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Altus Maximus
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Posted - 2007.11.17 07:16:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Re Mi
I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?
there are 35 players with a -10 rating according to ccp ... i want to be back in that list
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Gremrod
Minmatar DEEzNUTS-DzN
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Posted - 2007.11.17 08:26:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Altus Maximus
Originally by: Re Mi
I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?
there are 35 players with a -10 rating according to ccp ... i want to be back in that list
Its not at 42 with a perfect -10
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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.17 09:10:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Tiberius Decius
Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?
That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while
I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk.
Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.
Most people supply their own equipment in jita, with hauler alts that move them down to lowsec and carriers that jump them up into 0.0.
You provide no service that 0.0ers cant handle themselves in far greater volume. So why shouldn't they kill you?
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Van'Klomp
The Three Hundred R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.17 09:26:00 -
[47]
You want 100% risk free care-bearing?
http://www.lotro.com/ http://worldofwarcraft.com/
This is EVE... Learn to adapt.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.11.17 09:39:00 -
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The only problem I see is when the attackers use trial accounts who come for free and can be aquired in whatever amount. This would be the only case where I see a problem, because there is no drawback: you get bad standings? Just throw away this trial account and get a fresh one. Of course this sort of play is really lame and boring, but this is Eve and I am sure that people are doing lots of lame and boring things just to 'win'.
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Hey You
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.17 09:59:00 -
[49]
I completely agree with all your points of view and all what you said! I hereby urge all parties not to grief careebars in EvE. It sucks and its low.
oh wait...
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TheDevilsJury
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 10:00:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Re Mi I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk.
Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.
Stupid empire dwellers only understand mining it seems. Mineral importers don't buy trit at major hubs, the supply is too hard to haul even with fleets of freighter alts. Refining NPC goods is far more efficient as they are available exactly where you need them. Furthermore, refine tax analysis and market volume shows that a large majority of the low-end minerals in 0.0 actually come from hauler spawns and refining rat loot than importation. So you can keep your hulk thanks.
Tech 2 importers haul all their own goods, with alts, which also get suicide ganked, so I don't know why you're complaining about your haulers getting ganked. You don't provide any service using those haulers we can't do far better ourselves. Even the price differential is tiny, in Goonswarm 0.0 hubs prices are on par with those in minor empire hubs like Hek, Amarr, and Aunia.
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Kasigi Yabu
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Posted - 2007.11.17 10:27:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Tiberius Decius
Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?
That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while
I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk.
Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.
I think what you're forgetting is that if you, and 500 other people like you just quit the game today everything in 0.0 would be the same.
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Halkin
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.17 11:22:00 -
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my alts hauler once got targetted by a claymore, end of story
Originally by: Mr Bodacious I have trained Advanced Supercapital Mastery Specialization to 5. I can fly a tech 7 faction advanced supercapital which now deploys a team of chinese players instead
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Max Mentor
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Posted - 2007.11.17 11:25:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Lianlan Lou Eve isn't supposed to be a place where you can haul your little paper thin industrial with no risk involved.
again i'll say this simply HIGH SEC does not equal NO RISK.
Every time you undock you take a risk at being suicided on by someone, for their own enjoyment.
You signed up for all of this when you agreed to login. These ganks weren't about a "war" they were done because they could do it, and you didn't do anything to stop it. (fit extenders on your industrial, a warp core stab, and don't go afk.)
I agree with you 100%.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.11.17 13:56:00 -
[54]
0.0 alliances rely on empire trit? have u ever seen a 0.0 hauler spawn? Most people dont even pick the mils of trit up cos they have so much of the stuff filling up their hangars already. Wouldnt surprise me to find that several cap ships have been built on hauler spawns alone tbh.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.17 15:12:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Max Mentor
Originally by: Lianlan Lou Eve isn't supposed to be a place where you can haul your little paper thin industrial with no risk involved.
again i'll say this simply HIGH SEC does not equal NO RISK.
Every time you undock you take a risk at being suicided on by someone, for their own enjoyment.
You signed up for all of this when you agreed to login. These ganks weren't about a "war" they were done because they could do it, and you didn't do anything to stop it. (fit extenders on your industrial, a warp core stab, and don't go afk.)
I agree with you 100%.
P.S. I am petitioning your corp name as offensive and just plain idiotic. Even joking about being a farmer makes me want to hurl.
I daresay you'll have a hard time finding the petition button, as you can't even find the "enable corp/alliance ticker" button!! Happy hunting!!
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Ungdall
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 15:36:00 -
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I'd say 90% of mineral importation done to large 0.0 alliance is all done by that alliances own producers. We have (had) carriers for a reason, the only thing you provide for us is a defenseless target. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes |
Daerkannon Shimmerscale
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.17 15:43:00 -
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I don't think the OP is a troll. In fact I think the OP is quite serious and simply suffers from looking at things from a purely business stand point. Frankly this is a point of view that I can agree with myself.
Blowing up empty haulers in empire makes no business sense. It might have some military worth if you're trying to enforce an embargo on an area, but there is no profit in it.
An embargo also makes no business sense unless you are trying to enforce a monopoly on an item that will make far more profit for you than what it costs you to enforce the embargo, but I don't think that that is the case here.
"Because we can" and other killmail related reasons are not good reasons from this point of view. If there's no value in your actions, then you don't do it. While I realize that the majority of posters here might not understand this point of view (I can hear the cries of 'lulz' already), I guarantee that the people running your logistics divisions in your self-sufficient 0.0 alliances do.
Don't flame someone simply because they have a different point of view than you do. --- Honest officer, the dwarf was on fire when I got here! Can't find a mechanical engineering agent? Need a non-Caldari Navy agent? http://www.eve-agents.com/ for all your agent needs! |
missionalt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 15:55:00 -
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it makes perfect sense to blow up helpless haulers because the more that are blown up, the more threads like these we get.
hi5 biggest disaster
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Sekar casal
Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.11.17 16:22:00 -
[59]
Im not especially interested int the rights and wrongs of killing haulers, and I suspect the OP realised what response would be garnered from the post "but but but kiling haulers is teh fun isnt it" yada yada yada, however, the poster obviously has a market in 0.0 so folks posting that there isnt one seems a tad irrelevant ?.
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 16:55:35 Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 16:54:53
Originally by: Gamesguy
Most people supply their own equipment in jita, with hauler alts that move them down to lowsec and carriers that jump them up into 0.0.
You provide no service that 0.0ers cant handle themselves in far greater volume. So why shouldn't they kill you?
I make my isk off of slothful, lazy, overworked and rich people, or various combinations thereof. They are far too lazy or busy to be bothered to fly to Jita, so they pay me.
I fully realize they haul to carrier jump points. Thats why I stock certain nearby systems with goods. Often the prices aren't that much worse than Jita, and are well worth it for people to buy there rather than making the long haul. I think the trip to Jita is much easier for your alliance however, as there are Forge carrier jump points right near Jita that you have access too. Most other Alliances don't have that luxury.
As far as the haulers being killed, I am not referring to the hauls to drop points, those are targets as everyone who has hauled to them knows. I am referring to organized piracy much deeper within empire that affects whole regions that is sponsored by major alliances, not just the lowsec ganks near drop points which are expected, and if you scout at all, can prevent. You should care, it affects your supply alts the most. Some of what I believe is happening is that they look at what you are hauling and where you are hauling it first until they ID your alt by scanning you a few times. Sometimes the scan ships are lined up 2 or 3 at a gate on major trade routes. Then they turn your name over to pirates to mark red as a "juicy target", so that even if you don't have any cargo, you are still scanned and checked wherever you go. You lose freedom of movement, and are forced to rely on Concord, more scouting, warping to zero more heavily (which sucks if you are using alts).
You do not own this animal, you do not control it, and it can just as easily be turned on you, as anyone else. In that regard, we have a common problem. In the end, all it does is make trade harder, which makes your life more difficult and more expensive. Alliances can make adjustments during a war, and get the supplies they need, ganking haulers makes it harder. The unfortunate part is that that area will take much longer to recover, and may never recover its economic base. Anyway, where do you think all that stuff in Jita comes from? It doesn't materialize out of thin air. People like me build it.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.17 17:01:00 -
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As long as pilots continue to autopilot through empire in slowboating haulers with no tank, there will be pilots who look to profit from their demise.
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: NATMav As long as pilots continue to autopilot through empire in slowboating haulers with no tank, there will be pilots who look to profit from their demise.
I tank, I take precautions, and I escape far more often than I get killed. I am not asking for zero risk. I am pointing out that higher risk makes hauling more expensive and difficult, and that by targetting haulers, alliances are not going to be successful in the long run at maintaining their own supply chain. The only result alliances will see is that prices go up and choices go down.
If a major alliance decides you need to die, you will die as a hauler. No hauler can escape a row of 8 Domis lined up at the gate, with good intel, planning and leadership. They will go down.
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BuckStrider
Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.17 17:22:00 -
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Dear Re Mi,
Have you ever thought of using T2 haulers?
Your truly,
BuckStrider
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.17 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: BuckStrider Dear Re Mi,
Have you ever thought of using T2 haulers?
Your truly,
BuckStrider
It doesn't matter what you use to haul, if you bring enough firepower to bear, you are dead (and yes I use T2). Anyone who can knock off a Freighter, can take out a Transport. The problem is that instead of cargo expanders and cargo rigs in an Iteron V, I need to use Armor tank in an Occator to haul the same goods, or use a Viator and fly gate to gate. The volume of what I can haul gets cut in 1/2 (or less), and what I do haul is much more labor intensive. Prices go up as a result in order to pay for that, and the extra risks I take.
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.17 18:28:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:54:11
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?
Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.
You do understand most large alliances, and even most small ones, are completely self sufficient right?
We only have a few hundred members and empire being 50 jumps away means we have nothing to rely on besides ourselves.
Surely you jest. 0.0 is anything but self sufficient. They have vast piles of isk that goes towards buying huge quantities of empire goods. Empire provides the surge capacity that makes alliances viable when they need to fight a war. If that is true that 0.0 is self sufficient, then who is buying all of my stuff? Its not mission runners. Its not small corps/alliances in empire.
Given that what you say is true, surely you can see that empire haulers are anything but neutral as far as an alliance in 0.0 is concerned.
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 18:46:00 -
[66]
I can't figure if the op is serious or a troll. Oh and by the way, no target is small or neutral enough if you are out for some kills
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Zataaki
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 18:47:00 -
[67]
Good lord you really are being serious aren't you. See begging people to stop ganking you is one thing but acting like you're of any importance to us is just laffo and was the reason this would have been a great troll.
Let me see if I can explain this clearly.
Nothing you do has any effect on anything meaningful that happens in 0.0. There will always be a place in empire to buy stuff to import. If you and everyone else stopped hauling things from Jita to whatever station out in the boonies it is you go to, and no other pubbie carebears took your place, it still wouldn't matter. This is coming from someone who imports things from Empire to 0.0.
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Kaaii
Caldari Kaaii-Net Research Labs
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Posted - 2007.11.17 20:01:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Hrin I see you are unfamiliar with my corp
right, never under estimate the power of ebay..
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 21:10:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: Hrin I see you are unfamiliar with my corp
right, never under estimate the power of ebay..
You're very dumb
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Kortalis Hellion
Gallente The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.17 21:14:00 -
[70]
Holy **** you can get attacked in EVE?!
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BuckStrider
Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.17 21:46:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: BuckStrider Dear Re Mi,
Have you ever thought of using T2 haulers?
Your truly,
BuckStrider
It doesn't matter what you use to haul, if you bring enough firepower to bear, you are dead (and yes I use T2). Anyone who can knock off a Freighter, can take out a Transport. The problem is that instead of cargo expanders and cargo rigs in an Iteron V, I need to use Armor tank in an Occator to haul the same goods, or use a Viator and fly gate to gate. The volume of what I can haul gets cut in 1/2 (or less), and what I do haul is much more labor intensive. Prices go up as a result in order to pay for that, and the extra risks I take.
Well, Re Mi...I see 3 options for you and the other 'Carebear Elite'
Option#1... Throw the towel in, quit the game, and gimmie your stuff Option#2... Stop your crying, "Grow a pair" (or rent a pair), and adapt to the environment by finding ways to defeat or marginalize your situation. Option#3... Contract a noob corp looking to make some cash to scout out your route.
Your not gaining any sympathy on these boards (as you can very well see)
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Tradesman Mcgee
Caldari Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.11.17 22:59:00 -
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Why let you fly to "our" 0.0 trade hubs and let you sell your goods there, when we can just as easy pick up (most of) the items from your wreck on a gate for free? Popping haulers is like christmas eve, you never know whats in them - unless you highsec gank, in which case you cargo scan them, nobody ever do that in lowsec/0.0, you just kill them all for the glory of Derek. -------------------------- Research & Trade |
Moon Kitten
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 23:12:00 -
[73]
I am willing to set you neutral for a fee.
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Necro EvilZombie
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.11.17 23:18:00 -
[74]
maybe you should change your corp name, that name would most certainly make me want to kill you. --------------------------------------------------------------
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frank frank
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.17 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: frank frank on 17/11/2007 23:35:44 Ok Re Mi. Will do!
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Divus
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.11.18 02:38:00 -
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Edited by: Divus on 18/11/2007 02:40:55
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?
Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.
there is nothing we can do, because its a game, and it has no laws and no punishment for such actions, therefor deal with it. hats of for flying haulers in low sec anyway, i avoid that werever i can.
also: step away from the idea u 'serve' the alliances, and they kill themself by killing you, its an interesting approach but it's simply not entirely true. -------------------------------------------------
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Magicbob
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.18 03:18:00 -
[77]
:( I lost my hauler to goons. I will cry now.
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Magicbob
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.18 03:19:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Magicbob :( I lost my hauler to goons. I will cry now.
It's ok, buddy. We won't shoot neutrals anymore. :shobon:
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Tauranon
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.18 06:04:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Re Mi
I make my isk off of slothful, lazy, overworked and rich people, or various combinations thereof. They are far too lazy or busy to be bothered to fly to Jita, so they pay me.
By playing slothfully, with half an eye on the screen, in a weak ship with highly concentrated value, afk piloting or by multi-clienting and not generally paying attention.
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I fully realize they haul to carrier jump points. Thats why I stock certain nearby systems with goods. Often the prices aren't that much worse than Jita, and are well worth it for people to buy there rather than making the long haul. I think the trip to Jita is much easier for your alliance however, as there are Forge carrier jump points right near Jita that you have access too. Most other Alliances don't have that luxury.
Yes, your only true input to the economy is efficiency. By holding and moving goods for people that can do so less efficiently, you allow them to spend more time producing, which they do more efficiently than you. Which somehow makes them slothful in your estimation...
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As far as the haulers being killed, I am not referring to the hauls to drop points, those are targets as everyone who has hauled to them knows. I am referring to organized piracy much deeper within empire that affects whole regions that is sponsored by major alliances, not just the lowsec ganks near drop points which are expected, and if you scout at all, can prevent. You should care, it affects your supply alts the most. Some of what I believe is happening is that they look at what you are hauling and where you are hauling it first until they ID your alt by scanning you a few times. Sometimes the scan ships are lined up 2 or 3 at a gate on major trade routes. Then they turn your name over to pirates to mark red as a "juicy target", so that even if you don't have any cargo, you are still scanned and checked wherever you go. You lose freedom of movement, and are forced to rely on Concord, more scouting, warping to zero more heavily (which sucks if you are using alts).
Ganking haulers is a profitable excercise. Why would it need sponsorship? Why wouldn't highsec corps that wanted to kill stuff just do it - particularly when its going to be profitable. If I park my jinmei character in a belt and sit afk in a mining ship - I'm likely to be found/called a chinese macrofarmer and ganked. why should afk/autopilot haulers be given freedoms that aren't given to other pilots ?
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You do not own this animal, you do not control it, and it can just as easily be turned on you, as anyone else. In that regard, we have a common problem. In the end, all it does is make trade harder, which makes your life more difficult and more expensive. Alliances can make adjustments during a war, and get the supplies they need, ganking haulers makes it harder. The unfortunate part is that that area will take much longer to recover, and may never recover its economic base. Anyway, where do you think all that stuff in Jita comes from? It doesn't materialize out of thin air. People like me build it.
Much of the stuff in jita comes from primary producers who actually kill and mine stuff, and haul it there themselves. If there were less traders/trading, the average price paid for items may actually fall, as the traders margin has to be extracted from the goods in question.
Whether that would produce an overall more efficient economy is unlikely, but it would certainly function effectively without traders.
As far as an 0.0 alliance goes, esp one without a lowsec border, you moving things around in empire is not solving the fundamental logistics issue in getting things to the alliance territory. If they have to solve moving it around in highsec as well, they do.
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Big Monkey
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.18 06:12:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: NATMav As long as pilots continue to autopilot through empire in slowboating haulers with no tank, there will be pilots who look to profit from their demise.
I tank, I take precautions, and I escape far more often than I get killed. I am not asking for zero risk. I am pointing out that higher risk makes hauling more expensive and difficult, and that by targetting haulers, alliances are not going to be successful in the long run at maintaining their own supply chain. The only result alliances will see is that prices go up and choices go down.
If a major alliance decides you need to die, you will die as a hauler. No hauler can escape a row of 8 Domis lined up at the gate, with good intel, planning and leadership. They will go down.
I maintain that you have no idea of the industrial power behind Goonfleet. Between DS1, Ars Ex Discordia, MRCHI... it's pretty obvious you're ignorant. Also: assuming that blowing up haulers in empire will hurt us in 0.0 is pure lulz.
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pandymen
Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.11.18 06:54:00 -
[81]
Edited by: pandymen on 18/11/2007 06:54:10 I think the op misses a very key point. All that hauling...all that trading and supplying he does, is just a drop in the bucket. You claim that the ppl killing you are killing their own market...yet you ignore the fact that they get around half of your loot without paying much of anything. If you are using t1 haulers...they can suicide you in destroyers...lose a mil isk, and just recycle disposable alts once they lose too much standing.
So basically, you just need to learn to use the warp to 0 button and not go afk autopilot. You might have better luck. Edit: You should also consider getting over yourself.
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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.18 08:26:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 16:55:35 Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 16:54:53
Originally by: Gamesguy
Most people supply their own equipment in jita, with hauler alts that move them down to lowsec and carriers that jump them up into 0.0.
You provide no service that 0.0ers cant handle themselves in far greater volume. So why shouldn't they kill you?
I make my isk off of slothful, lazy, overworked and rich people, or various combinations thereof. They are far too lazy or busy to be bothered to fly to Jita, so they pay me.
I fully realize they haul to carrier jump points. Thats why I stock certain nearby systems with goods. Often the prices aren't that much worse than Jita, and are well worth it for people to buy there rather than making the long haul. I think the trip to Jita is much easier for your alliance however, as there are Forge carrier jump points right near Jita that you have access too. Most other Alliances don't have that luxury.
As far as the haulers being killed, I am not referring to the hauls to drop points, those are targets as everyone who has hauled to them knows. I am referring to organized piracy much deeper within empire that affects whole regions that is sponsored by major alliances, not just the lowsec ganks near drop points which are expected, and if you scout at all, can prevent. You should care, it affects your supply alts the most. Some of what I believe is happening is that they look at what you are hauling and where you are hauling it first until they ID your alt by scanning you a few times. Sometimes the scan ships are lined up 2 or 3 at a gate on major trade routes. Then they turn your name over to pirates to mark red as a "juicy target", so that even if you don't have any cargo, you are still scanned and checked wherever you go. You lose freedom of movement, and are forced to rely on Concord, more scouting, warping to zero more heavily (which sucks if you are using alts).
You do not own this animal, you do not control it, and it can just as easily be turned on you, as anyone else. In that regard, we have a common problem. In the end, all it does is make trade harder, which makes your life more difficult and more expensive. Alliances can make adjustments during a war, and get the supplies they need, ganking haulers makes it harder. The unfortunate part is that that area will take much longer to recover, and may never recover its economic base. Anyway, where do you think all that stuff in Jita comes from? It doesn't materialize out of thin air. People like me build it.
No it doesnt. If hauler ganking gets so prevelent that idiots like you quit, then the other 90% of the players, who dont get ganked, will simply take up the slack.
You make yourself sound like a vital part of the economy when you're nothing but small potatoes. If the hubs near carrier jump points are depleted due to suicide ganks, then we will simply organized haulers and freighters that buy in bulk from jita and move it down.
I don't think you understand that you have no effect whatsoever. You yourself said that only the lazy buy your goods because its closer(I'm probably one of those people), but we're all perfectly capable of(and do) going to jita and buying it there and then haul it down. And for each one of you that gets ganked, 10 others make it through because they're not afking hauling.
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Helen
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.18 09:34:00 -
[83]
A+++ Thread would read again. :D
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Dahin
Maza Nostra oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.11.18 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Dahin on 18/11/2007 15:11:37 These are indeed sad times.
Martinigr is crying bitter tears for all the t2 modules lost ganking non-worty targets in empire.
WHY? WHY? Think of those antimatter rounds that were lost in time, like tears in the rain, all for a sub-100mil worth of loot.
waaaait a minute? Is this about arzi and those lowsec sols near rens? Apparently there are hundreds of bots/slaves jumping in a couple lowsec systems there. Once I saw a church member sit in a sniping pest and killing one every 30-40 secs. Literally. The kept coming and coming till my overview was full of hauler wrecks.
I commend the people cleaning that crap up since CCP doesn't have the balls to.
Why fly covops? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WOIwlXE9g |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.18 19:40:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Re Mi
Surely you jest. 0.0 is anything but self sufficient. They have vast piles of isk that goes towards buying huge quantities of empire goods. Empire provides the surge capacity that makes alliances viable when they need to fight a war. If that is true that 0.0 is self sufficient, then who is buying all of my stuff? Its not mission runners. Its not small corps/alliances in empire.
Hmm, you have to see it with the eyes of the individuals, who shoot your haulers. I mean, if they let you pass, they don't know, where your stuff goes and if it benefits them in the slightest. Probably it does not. If they shoot you, some of your stuff goes directly into their pockets for free, so hmm, what do they choose ?
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goatplasma
Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.19 00:36:00 -
[86]
Edited by: goatplasma on 19/11/2007 00:37:23 oh dear oh dear
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Baaldor
Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.19 08:20:00 -
[87]
Oh the wonderful sweet tears....mmm..tasty! MOAR TEARS!!
THE PREVIOUS VIEWS AND STATEMENTS DO NOT REPRESENT AND OR SUPPORTED BY THE MANY VOICES IN MY HEAD. |
Clara Mismer
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Posted - 2007.11.19 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: pandymen Edited by: pandymen on 18/11/2007 06:54:10 I think the op misses a very key point. All that hauling...all that trading and supplying he does, is just a drop in the bucket. You claim that the ppl killing you are killing their own market...yet you ignore the fact that they get around half of your loot without paying much of anything. If you are using t1 haulers...they can suicide you in destroyers...lose a mil isk, and just recycle disposable alts once they lose too much standing.
I believe that was classed as an exploit - you do the crime spend the time to raise sec status.
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Redbad
Minmatar Mean Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.19 09:58:00 -
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You are just a victim of the Pi±ata-complex many pirates have.
Protect your Pi±ata's or have the buyer haul it instead.
RB
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Duncan Bannatyne
BioDyne Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.19 10:12:00 -
[90]
So, you go through a low sec choke point and get ganked... err dont goto low sec?
You get suicide ganked? dont travel in un-tanked T1 haulers or on autopilot, simple.
Assuming this is a joke, not the funniest flamebait. Duncan Bannatyne
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MasterOfPuppets
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Posted - 2007.11.19 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: MasterOfPuppets on 19/11/2007 10:34:07
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Draxwyn
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Posted - 2007.11.19 10:34:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: NATMav As long as pilots continue to autopilot through empire in slowboating haulers with no tank, there will be pilots who look to profit from their demise.
I tank, I take precautions, and I escape far more often than I get killed. I am not asking for zero risk. I am pointing out that higher risk makes hauling more expensive and difficult, and that by targetting haulers, alliances are not going to be successful in the long run at maintaining their own supply chain. The only result alliances will see is that prices go up and choices go down.
If a major alliance decides you need to die, you will die as a hauler. No hauler can escape a row of 8 Domis lined up at the gate, with good intel, planning and leadership. They will go down.
A hotter trade route also means it is more expensive for your competitors to transport cargo. Therefore you should factor in the occasional ship/cargo loss into your prices and raise them accordingly. If these ganks you're complaining about do not make enough of an impact on the market to raise prices, then they're insignificant and will not affect the 0.0 alliances in the slightest.
Perhaps buy a faster, more sturdy ship & transport smaller, higher margin items (blockade runner perhaps?)
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Lowkey Asgaurd
Minmatar Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.11.19 10:36:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Tiberius Decius
Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?
That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while
I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk.
Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.
Have you ever heard of hauler spawns ??
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Tyrrhena Maxus
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.19 11:22:00 -
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thread replies are just looping now
though the first two pages nearly put me in tears.
100 jumps in a hauler, or a bunch of stupid hauler kills (a few with possibly nice loot and maybe some tears thrown in for good measure)? I know what I would find more enjoyable. Its why people enjoy killing isk farmers and diehard carebears like yourself, because they know it hurts. Hell even the isk farmers understand this when they jump 10 iterons into a 0.0 chokepoint system in the hope that a few make it
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.19 13:22:00 -
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I had someone try to suicide my Badger II once. He died a horrible death before barely getting my shields down.
Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction." |
SpaceSlag
Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.19 14:20:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Hrin Edited by: Hrin on 17/11/2007 04:21:47 Is this why the OP is poasting?
14 pages worth of hauler ganks... epic...
So who else is with me to fit Battlecruisers in Jita with Alt1 scanning cargo holds, and Alt2 collecting the loot after Main gets Concorded?
Oh wait, it's been done. This guy's so funny, I think I'll throw my antiquated snowball launcher at him just to booo him off the stage. Please dude, open your eyes to the fact that the only reason large alliances and many small ones in eve only go to Empire to buy BPO's.
-Something you and your carebear friends cannot make.
Become a pirate without fear of death!
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Danyael Tyren
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.19 17:07:00 -
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The OP has a deeply exaggerated sense of her own importance. 0.0 Alliances and Corps trade with Empire because they are greedy jews, not because they need Empire carebears to survive.
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2007.11.19 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Danyael Tyren ...they are greedy jews...
ouch! should be more careful, you might hurt someones feelings or something
Originally by: Admiral Love
Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty. |
Danyael Tyren
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.19 17:37:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Wind Ictiva
Originally by: Danyael Tyren ...they are greedy jews...
ouch! should be more careful, you might hurt someones feelings or something
Nah, it's cool, some of my best friends are jewish.
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Jotan Veer
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.11.19 18:13:00 -
[100]
This was written down a million times but I will write it down once again:
1. tank your hauler (the largest / the most T2 shield extender(s) you can fit + passive hardeners) 2. use a T2 hauler (and tank it, see point one) 3. if you are hauling small but expensive items then exchange your cargo expanders for inertia stabs + nanofibers or learn to fly something that doesn't scream "GANK ME" and haul in that 4. use a scout if you insist on flying a freighter stuffed with expensive goodies 5. stop whining
Concord response times and behavior had been improved so many times and thus high-sec suicide ganking nerfed so much that the only way to score a kill these days if the victim is particularly stupid/lazy.
Oh yea, no one ever in the history of EVE managed to achieve anything by writing a manifesto, you won't either.
HUN Corp. recruitment info (Hungarian players only) |
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Brendalin Kerr
Caldari ASGARD SECURITY SHIPPING PRODUCTION SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.19 20:18:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?
Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.
We build stuff and take it to EMpire to sell, not the other way around.
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Riflo
Roast Beef Double Swiss Transport
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Posted - 2007.11.19 21:19:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:05:10
Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.
qft i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?
I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?
Yesterday I chased a Reaper around for 20 minutes. Never did get him. :(
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2007.11.20 12:37:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Re Mi Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.
I think you answered your own question.
If you are in an alliance that is self sufficient but you fight other alliances that rely on empire, then it seems logical to me that you attack their supply lines and kill the alt haulers supplying other alliances.
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s3v3n7
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:58:00 -
[104]
People don't just pop empty T1 haulers in high sec (normally). So now I'm trying to sift through his BS. I think this guy was a victim of a suicide BS squad in high sec on a freighter. The scum that would take part in such an OP.....shame on you. Singlehandedly raising the prices across Eve for these goods....
Either way its a laughable thread. Just stop AFKing and lern2fit.
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Jallem Sims
Minmatar Exploring Blind
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Posted - 2007.11.20 14:17:00 -
[105]
i made it midway down the 2nd page! ok, i lie.. about the 3rd or fouth reply.... i don't know cause as i type i am removing all traces of this whine thread from my memory....
all i can think is.. lol... and i never been hauler ganking before,
BUT I LIKE THE IDEA NOW!!
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Mickey Knox
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.20 14:45:00 -
[106]
he must have wandered over here from WoW, where everything is fair so nobody gets their little feelings hurt.
I can only imagine the amount of whining in local when your precious little badger gets blown up, so that alon eis well worth the standings loss. hell i shot a cheetha in low sec yesterday that just didnt cloak fast enough for my taste.
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s3v3n7
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.20 15:01:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Mickey Knox he must have wandered over here from WoW, where everything is fair so nobody gets their little feelings hurt.
I can only imagine the amount of whining in local when your precious little badger gets blown up, so that alon eis well worth the standings loss. hell i shot a cheetha in low sec yesterday that just didnt cloak fast enough for my taste.
And he's got the sig to prove it, baby!!!
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Revolution Rising
Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.11.20 16:42:00 -
[108]
You are my funshine, my only funshine, you make me happy when skies are grey...
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) |
Bagehi
Caldari Harmonious Ascent
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Posted - 2007.11.20 16:46:00 -
[109]
I would have to point out, because it seems lost on you, Re Mi, if they can successfully cut you out of supplying low sec, they are then able to break out their alts to supply it. Thus, cutting out your margin and potentially making a profit themselves. They have more reason than simply "me have big club, me hit you in the head."
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Cpt Angus
Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.11.20 20:51:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Cpt Angus on 20/11/2007 20:51:52
Originally by: Re Mi It seems people where I am trading, people have drawn unwanted attention from some alliances who do not want supplies delivered to certain areas of Empire. I have yet to lose a major load, but this cuts back on my profits and ability to move goods. I believe I know who those people are who are behind this. But I am just a trader and industrialist, I don't have a capital fleet handy to protect myself. I don't want to name names, or even the region this is happening, for fear of further attacks, but please stop attacking empire haulers. I live primarily in empire because most 0.0 corps are taskmasters who take the fun out of the game for Industrialists. We have no interest in your war, and only want to do what we do in Empire.
This kind of interdiction which attacks ALL haulers is excessive. I notice we are not the only Empire Industrialists being griefed. I see the broken haulers all the time along these routes and the situation is getting worse. Even a freighter load of trit might be a target now. Much of what is going on is pirates, but I have been doing a little bit of intel work, mostly by cataloging bios, and tracking gangs and seeing who is working with each other, that seems to show its not just piracy. I believe that some of what is going on is part of a campaign to kill off suppliers in that area to deny access to resources, with a bonus of pirate loot for the attacker. As far as I can see that seems to be the goal for at least some of these attacks. The freighter take downs of neutral parties are particularly disturbing (although we thankfully haven't had a loss of that kind). I don't think it is appropriate to gank people who don't side with your 0.0 alliance who live in Empire who are completely neutral. This mostly affects people who have absolutely nothing to do with your war, which are empire corps, miners, missioners and so on. There are 85% of eve citizens who live in Empire and don't want to be a part of your war.
I fully understand if you need to attack alts from other alliances. But don't attack neutral parties.
Alliances that pledge not to attack neutral empire haulers, please sign this post.
Once again i urge CCP to remove ALL weapons from eve online, can't you see that people are getting shot up and actually being killed out there? All forms of combat must be removed from the game as it is the only way to stop people from getting dead!
. Bones heal and chicks dig scars
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Nought Prymary
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.20 22:08:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Nought Prymary on 20/11/2007 22:09:06
Originally by: Cpt Angus
Once again i urge CCP to remove ALL weapons from eve online, can't you see that people are getting shot up and actually being killed out there? All forms of combat must be removed from the game as it is the only way to stop people from getting dead!
If you undock from a station with any module fit that can lock or help lock, or fire upon a PC you should, nay, MUST immediately be CONCORDed.
Alliances that pledge to support this change in game mechanics, please sign this post.
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Itzcoatl
Minmatar The Guild of Calamitous Intent
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Posted - 2007.11.21 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: Itzcoatl on 21/11/2007 07:30:29 My friend you must be the cutest 0.0 trader i have ever known in my short EVE life.
Im a trader and ill point at you what everyone knows already:
Why NBSI alliances shoot at Neutral haulers?
Answers:
1.- As the name says NBSI (NOT BLUE SCREW IT) 2.- They want the kill mail to boast bout the mail with some friends and have a laugh while playing with your pod to see how many ppl they can get in the mail. (ewar in a pod FTW) 3.- They search for possible shinny items in cargo 4.- They think its fun to see things explode. 5.- Cose they can 6.- Cose they want 7.- Cose you will be ****ed
and i can go on and on with reasons, so my recomendation to you is, get used to it cose it aint going to change any time soon, and most likely its going to get worst for you after this post.
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Jallem Sims
Minmatar Exploring Blind
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Posted - 2007.11.21 09:52:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Itzcoatl Edited by: Itzcoatl on 21/11/2007 07:30:29 My friend you must be the cutest 0.0 trader i have ever known in my short EVE life.
Im a trader and ill point at you what everyone knows already:
Why NBSI alliances shoot at Neutral haulers?
Answers:
1.- As the name says NBSI (NOT BLUE SCREW IT) 2.- They want the kill mail to boast bout the mail with some friends and have a laugh while playing with your pod to see how many ppl they can get in the mail. (ewar in a pod FTW) 3.- They search for possible shinny items in cargo 4.- They think its fun to see things explode. 5.- Cose they can 6.- Cose they want 7.- Cose you will be ****ed
and i can go on and on with reasons, so my recomendation to you is, get used to it cose it aint going to change any time soon, and most likely its going to get worst for you after this post.
and ransom the pod while holding it there laughing, calling him 'pet' and.... oh that is funny!! Do it all the time :)
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Steph Wing
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.21 10:42:00 -
[114]
Posting in a thread hijacked by Goon.
About TGRAD |
frank frank
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.21 13:25:00 -
[115]
I think Epsilon squadron is going to have another party in lowsec this friday so please bring your haulers because you almost certainly won't get ganked.
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Perry Hope
Gallente Isle of Hope II Corp R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.21 21:26:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Kortalis Hellion Holy **** you can get attacked in EVE?!
Jesus Christ Superstar. That ıs the best thread and the BEST Quote EVER.
EVE is DARK and you are NOT in a perfect world
I cannot count how often I got killed and podded in the last 4 years m8.
In this 4 years I -Lost several Iteron 5 to pure dumbness. I posted GF -Lost my Carrier because of Selfdestruct (YES I DID) - LOL -I got problems while I am flying with Freıghter by a Mothership!!! -Lost several BS to Pirates because I tanked a spawn wıth scramblıng ebıl Pıwates Hahahaha -A friend of me was scammed bout 500 Mıo ISK corp wallet -I get one new member too much rıghts and got fu**** because he got all the things out of our corp hangars etc.
I mean. This is EVE. You don't see Fanfest video Reynir saying "We want EVE as dark .... No One Likes YOU.... etc???
0.0 is 0.0. No politics and boundaries from government etc. Only the Aliances makes their own rules. POINT.
Sorry but you cannot that new when you fly Freıghter and Tech 2 haulers.
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Marius Deterium
Caldari The Hull Miners Union The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.11.21 21:53:00 -
[117]
OMFG. OP is a cry baby. If you are so concerned about it go play a single player game. Eve is a multi player game which requires multiple people to be successful at. Get some escorts and a scout and stop crying.
Adding you to my address book so I can pod you next time I see you. --- Mining hulls for the juicy goods inside.
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Cosmic Buddha
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.22 13:08:00 -
[118]
OP = tool
The fun you get out of mining, hauling and selling for profit is the same fun I get out of popping an ibis in low-sec (not to mention a juicy, whine-filled hauler with shiny items). Doesn't that just make Eve the coolest game ever?! Maybe you should knock the dust off of your Railroad Tycoon software so you can build your fortune without interference from....*GASP*...another player o.0
/me mashes F1 - F8 next time you jump into MY local
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Isentro
Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.22 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:01:05 I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.
edit* And I am not talking about low sec, empire ganks in an organized way.
lol wut? grow some balls.
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Jallem Sims
Minmatar Exploring Blind
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Posted - 2007.11.22 14:25:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Jallem Sims on 22/11/2007 14:26:02 edit... \o/ \\o o// top of page 5!
i do love this op....
imagine how many people will be looking for you now!! lol... noob!!
you just put a big sign above your head 'gankable hauler noob'
now, where did i leave my ganking ship your going to get podded so many times lol
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Vandamsel
Gallente Dark Star LTD Atrocitas
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Posted - 2007.11.23 08:32:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Re Mi It seems people where I am trading, people have drawn unwanted attention from some alliances who do not want supplies delivered to certain areas of Empire. I have yet to lose a major load, but this cuts back on my profits and ability to move goods. I believe I know who those people are who are behind this. But I am just a trader and industrialist, I don't have a capital fleet handy to protect myself. I don't want to name names, or even the region this is happening, for fear of further attacks, but please stop attacking empire haulers. I live primarily in empire because most 0.0 corps are taskmasters who take the fun out of the game for Industrialists. We have no interest in your war, and only want to do what we do in Empire.
This kind of interdiction which attacks ALL haulers is excessive. I notice we are not the only Empire Industrialists being griefed. I see the broken haulers all the time along these routes and the situation is getting worse. Even a freighter load of trit might be a target now. Much of what is going on is pirates, but I have been doing a little bit of intel work, mostly by cataloging bios, and tracking gangs and seeing who is working with each other, that seems to show its not just piracy. I believe that some of what is going on is part of a campaign to kill off suppliers in that area to deny access to resources, with a bonus of pirate loot for the attacker. As far as I can see that seems to be the goal for at least some of these attacks. The freighter take downs of neutral parties are particularly disturbing (although we thankfully haven't had a loss of that kind). I don't think it is appropriate to gank people who don't side with your 0.0 alliance who live in Empire who are completely neutral. This mostly affects people who have absolutely nothing to do with your war, which are empire corps, miners, missioners and so on. There are 85% of eve citizens who live in Empire and don't want to be a part of your war.
I fully understand if you need to attack alts from other alliances. But don't attack neutral parties.
Alliances that pledge not to attack neutral empire haulers, please sign this post.
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.11.23 17:58:00 -
[122]
OP clearly doesnt know about Not Blue Shoot It and Not Red Don't Shoot.
NBSI = Will kill anyone not in positive standing.
NRDS = Will kill anyone in negative standing only. I suggest only hauling in this kind of alliaces space.   ============================================
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Demtalin le'Mercennaire
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.11.24 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Demtalin le''Mercennaire on 24/11/2007 12:53:16 Edited by: Demtalin le''Mercennaire on 24/11/2007 12:52:02 I think one of the problems here is the OP and people agreeing with them about how killing empty haulers is useless.
Not everyone carries cargo scanners, they may need the extra slot for other fitting on their ship to make it complete. In these cases it's just a matter of attack and hope.
Oh, and I found this a while ago, been saving it for a particuarly good thread...
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Karjala Inc. Onnenpyora
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Posted - 2007.11.24 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceSlag Edited by: SpaceSlag on 19/11/2007 14:34:47
Originally by: Hrin Edited by: Hrin on 17/11/2007 04:21:47 Is this why the OP is poasting?
165 pages worth of hauler ganks... epic...
So who else is with me to fit Battlecruisers in Jita with Alt1 scanning cargo holds, and Alt2 collecting the loot after Main gets Concorded?
Oh wait, it's been done. This guy's so funny, I think I'll throw my antiquated snowball launcher at him just to booo him off the stage. Please dude, open your eyes to the fact that the only reason large alliances and many small ones in eve only go to Empire to buy BPO's.
-Something you and your carebear friends cannot make.
Arzi, funny place. Map says like 50-70 in system. Most are macro missioning haulers. =)
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.24 16:03:00 -
[125]
In reply to the OP:
Suicide ganking "empty" haulers in 0.5+ is unusual, unless they have some reason to target you.
The most probable two reasons would be simple extortion, or becuase they believe you are helping an enemy of theirs. (Suicide ganking empties for "only" fun (and no profit) is possible, but very unlikely).
Your options for response that dont involve a lot of effort, and/or paying them off, or just simply parking your ships, are limited.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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comedy alt
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.26 08:05:00 -
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In lowsec / 0.0, the best answer for why people shoot haulers: "It's fun, and generally low-risk" I'd rather shoot an Iteron V than any given Battleship. Most of the time, you're already camping somewhere for a fight, so in the boredom, why not shoot the hauler? Plus there's always the chance you'll find something really valuable.
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Acidictadpole
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.26 13:26:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Misfitsa Tell me where the rogues are and I swear by Graptar's hammer I shall avenge thee.
I wish I noticed this thread sooner so I could correct you faster!
It's Grabthar* (IMDB Quotes)
Anywho... Maybe you should tell your haulers to stop autopiloting? Maybe you should start fitting warp stabs or even using a scout (When it happens once, set that entire corp to -10, then you can see who's doing it and avoid them)?
Or even hire a merc corp to hurt the offending corp and make sure they realise what it was for.
There are plenty of things that are action oriented that don't involve whining on here, maybe you should work on that.
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Hexman
The Ankou The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 23:33:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Halkin my alts hauler once got targetted by a claymore, end of story
For the claymore? :p
To the OP: Please go away. Everytime you post, God kills 100 kittens.
Oh and, 'n stuff
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Xenny Lee
Minmatar coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.27 02:27:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Pilk I'm going to assume you're kidding. To do otherwise would be too painful.
--P
I am not kidding. To see ships get taken down when there is no economic benefit, and a long hard standings grind to get standings back, does not make any sense unless it has a war purpose. What triggered my looking deeper into this was getting shot at with an empty hold. No pirate shoots at an empty hauler in empire. If I hadn't been warp stabbed I would have died, I was already into structure when I was able to warp to station. How do you explain something like that?
this gimmick is getting old. no one is this dense
Its happened more than once to people I know, all in the same area, cargo under 100 million, getting attacked, or things like minerals. Its not coincidence, its not an accident. I fly past the pirates in Uedama who run a gank machine, they don't take down these kinds of targets. It doesn't make any sense.
I find it funny that you mention this magical 100 million number... since I "may" know some people that got bored of ratting for isk to pay for stuff from the runaway of an inflated empire prices and decided to go fishin in empire. 12 mil to insure a domi, 3-4 to give it some guns and an important "fishing" mod or 2, alt hauler not too far, and you turn on the fish finder for afk or poorly equipped "fish" going up and down the various trade routes. Like ratting you occasionally get the faction fish with a few hundred millions worth of loot, and all you have to do after is pick up whatever survives with your alt hauler and you can pretty much insta sell the stuff for enough money to buy more "fishing" gear.
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Emnity Preston
Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.27 12:41:00 -
[130]
Cormorant - 500k Gank fittings - 500k
0.5sec loss and a crying carebear - Priceless
For everything else theres master****
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Torillan
Interstellar Cowards
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Posted - 2007.11.27 18:22:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Re Mi It seems people where I am trading, people have drawn unwanted attention from some alliances who do not want supplies delivered to certain areas of Empire. I have yet to lose a major load, but this cuts back on my profits and ability to move goods. I believe I know who those people are who....
I fully understand if you need to attack alts from other alliances. But don't attack neutral parties.
Alliances that pledge not to attack neutral empire haulers, please sign this post.
If these naive words were to portray the general mindset of the Archura, I weep for the state of New Eden.
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azura nester
White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2007.11.27 20:34:00 -
[132]
wow...are you ********. you are asking alliances that normally operate in NBSI policy not to gank ur hauler..poor carebear. we dont care if you loose your cargo. your loss is our gain. reality is, we dont care about our sec status. get it through ur skull that it wont stop. neutral to us is the same as you being red to us. but have fun trying to get alliances to stop shooting neutrals.
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Droidster
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:30:00 -
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Edited by: Droidster on 28/11/2007 01:35:42 *************************************************** TOP TEN REASONS... they blew up your newb hauler ***************************************************
10. It's fun to watch your ship explode
9. You might say something amusing in local
8. They are hoping for hate mail from you which they can show to their friends
7. The pirate is trying to fill up a station container with corpses
6. To induce you to add to their bounty
5. Your attempt to drive past them in a contraption made of balsa wood and tissue paper was construed as a "taunt"
4. You might cry and quit the game
3. Adolescent pirates with poor communication skills use their high slots to hit on girls--take it as a compliment
2. They were making sure their weapons were functioning properly
1. There is a chance you might post on the forums so that they can make fun of you publicly
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Osabojo
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.28 04:00:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Re Mi
I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?
The truth is I find you very attractive and I just want you to notice me.
There, I've said it.
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Asylum Seaker
Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.28 04:41:00 -
[135]
Anyone who warps is a goon. Anyone who stays still is a well disciplined goon.
The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been.
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Feterous Jolin
V i r u s
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Posted - 2007.11.28 07:41:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Emnity Preston Cormorant - 500k Gank fittings - 500k
0.5sec loss and a crying carebear - Priceless
For everything else theres master****
funny...wasnt aware MDYN was into the empire ganking/pirate thing...the more ya know!
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Crashm8
KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.11.28 08:16:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Crashm8 on 28/11/2007 08:19:11
Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:05:10
Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.
qft i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?
I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?
not signed
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McFly
Path of Light R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.28 08:55:00 -
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to the op: u r ridicurous...
Popping a hauler is like opening a treasure chest, sometimes it's empty sometimes it has treasure. If it has nothing but junk, oh well, your screen had a nice bright flash on it, and someone somewhere is screaming into their screen....
And as for your views on 0.0, my alliance sits on the border of empire, our lowsec crossing consists of one jump... we build everything we need, and harvest all of our fuel requirements. Only time I go into empire is when we have war targets to play with.
All major sov holding alliances are generally 99% efficient, the last 1% is for when a pilot is playing with a new ship/setup and is missing the best module and settles for the 2nd best. Anything else is either manufactured at the corp level, traded within the alliance or bought from a neighbor.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.11.28 10:06:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Re Mi Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:01:05 I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.
edit* And I am not talking about low sec, empire ganks in an organized way.
No explanation for it?.
try this one; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fun
My views may represent those of my corp/alliance but you will have to ask em to be sure. |
Emnity Preston
Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 11:51:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Feterous Jolin
Originally by: Emnity Preston Cormorant - 500k Gank fittings - 500k
0.5sec loss and a crying carebear - Priceless
For everything else theres master****
funny...wasnt aware MDYN was into the empire ganking/pirate thing...the more ya know!
We arent... Just seemed a fitting quote.
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Jallem Sims
Minmatar Exploring Blind
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Posted - 2007.11.29 12:00:00 -
[141]
this thread still going??
/me goes back to playing with my new pod pet.... "are you happier now i have released you from your hauling pain"
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Scarcus
Caldari Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2007.11.29 14:10:00 -
[142]
Well, at first I was going to flame the OP...then I realized what a comedic boon his ridiculous post brought to the Forum. I haven't laughed this hard since hearing Molle's sweet titan soundbite courtesy of the RaGoon dudes. Thanks man!
Once NOL has been purged with cleansing fire, and all the vassals are put to the sword, I'm sure we'll have a lovely little cold war, your bloc and ours.
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