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Hungo Minmatar Unholy Foundation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.24 09:41:00 - [1] Now alot of people will ask why im making this post and it's basically to let EVE know why and how KOS are so pathetic that the leadership AKA Senate feels the need to get personally involved in all corps in the alliance business. Okay So Bullet points - PVP - This is just a joke, the fleet commanders have the collective brain cells of a bunch of donkeys spraying each other with water hoses. Every time a hostile gang is spotted kosems the 0.0 Intel channel goes wild with Get safe hostile gang coming, get to stations. You cannot FC in KOS without being yelled at by the senate for attempting to help. Not to mention that they cannot pvp for crap. I mean a 3 man FIX gang routed 25 KOS members. Stations - This is the juicy scoop here - On each KOS station there is only about 30% maximum of the moons covered because they lack the actual in house ability to field more than 1 Large POS per corp. The station systems themselves are easily take able. You only have to launch an offensive, let's be honest. Not as if they could stop you. Industry - This again is a joke, there is no in house working together at all. barely any alliance ops and when your not being yelled at by the senate your being ORDERED to un-dock your carrier when there are 25 enemy Vaga's in system. The Senate - In all my time in EVE i have NEVER met such a collective group of people who and excuse me for saying this. Have there own head stuck so far up each other butts they can barley function. The senate meetings REQUIRE you to surrender three hours of your life on a Saturday to discuss a bunch of crap that doesn't even need a meeting to discuss. This is not taking into account that there ego's are so sensitive that if you say shut up they instantly order the corporation your in to boot you. Why Am I Being Booted And Why Am I making This Post - To the first bit. last night a 25 Man vaga gang with mixed other ships from (Digital Renegades) entered DZ6. i was in station with my carrier. This is a logistic's carrier, not pvp fitting nor reps on board. A KOS Senior senator convoed me and said When they return to the station i am ordering you to undock and Engage At this point i said no way and closed the convo. After all what use is a cargo expander carrier with no fighters useful for? I am being kicked because i refused to use my carrier as a scape goat so three haulers full of ICE could get out the system safely. i should loose my carrier for a stupid POS? I think NOT. Why make this post? - To make sure that well, i am a beta player, ive watched major alliances go thru change, ive watched alliances rise and fall from CA and have had friends in all. I am urging anyone to either wipe KOS off the planet or simply don;t join them. Revenge post? maybe. But needed i think. Discuss n stuff or smack me, either way it's served it's purpose. I am not a smacker, i rarely post at all. The fact of the matter is, if you are thinking of joining KOS, unless you want to be blind obedience to the Senate who expect u to snap to salute when they speak. Rethink your options. Hungo the Barbarian Out
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.11.24 09:41:00 - [2] Edited by: Mr Broker on 24/11/2007 09:54:26 Edited by: Mr Broker on 24/11/2007 09:48:08 first, any corporation wishing to join any alliance, just always test the waters by flying with them for a few months without moving all their assets to the new space, just look at bob, they went apesh!t on iss because iss thought this was a pvp game where you could shoot those who are -10 to them
Blafbeest Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.11.24 09:44:00 - [3] Edited by: Blafbeest on 24/11/2007 09:44:45 This is actually old news, could have told you this before you went into KOS. Just look up some old forum posts about KOS. Seems like nothing has changed over the last year or so :D edit: second btw
Angelsfist Justice.	Posted - 2007.11.24 09:45:00 - [4] Valid points, but the question that remains is: Why doesn't you, who are a "beta player", have pvp fittings for your carrier ready to fit when a situation arise?
Hungo Minmatar Unholy Foundation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.24 09:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Angelsfist Valid points, but the question that remains is: Why doesn't you, who are a "beta player", have pvp fittings for your carrier ready to fit when a situation arise? They where in Thakala awaiting my next carrier jump from empire. I had no need to fit pvp fittings as it was not my intention to loose the carrier to sum idiotic ego driven KOS fc who doesn't even know what call primary's means After all, why loose a carrier if you don;t have to? Ill fight, i love pvp, but im not gonna be stupid with it
hellsknights Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.24 09:52:00 - [6] To be honest, the day another player tells me what to do with my assets and the day im forced to comply, is the day i quit EvE. recruitment thread Join channel Hells Angels Inc
Desiderata Fabian GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.24 10:04:00 - [7] Self righteous, selfish, canÆt follow orders? Man they are probably better off without you.
Promu RABBLE-RABBLE Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.24 10:14:00 - [8] awwwwwwwwww thats kinda cute. i mean i supose you have seen loads in your year and 3 months in-game. to be honist in that year and abit the 34 corps your original char must have gotten a good name i dare say you have seen it all and you get given a 2003 char yesterday with a carrier i can take that you will loose it at some point as do all. as for kos alliance i can say meh... havnt we heard it all before??? failue to produce a name of the "senator" also says to me bllhi. laters **ters Promu
fugazii Deep Space Productions Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.24 10:16:00 - [9] i agree kos do suck. with their whole consistently owning space for well over a year, thier leadership is also crap as evident by their ability to be one of the very few alliances in eves history that survived losing their space and being able to hold the alliance together and acquire new space. and yes, they also have little ability to hold station systems. completely numbskulls on this field, odd that they were recently givin more space tho. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Kriger x13	Posted - 2007.11.24 10:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Self righteous, selfish, canÆt follow orders? Man they are probably better off without you. The scary thing is, u prolly believe that bull. Goons... OP: Tho' i havent had dealings with KOS for a long long time, my impression has always been they were generally inept at what they did, and always needed the support of a larger 'friend' to survive in 0.0. Quite simply - they couldnt carry their own weight. Your post merely confirms this impression. It may be wrong, but KOS never did anything to disprove it. .:: Kriger's gfx Factory :: x13 ::.
Barbaro55a Caldari Amesha Spentaz Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.24 10:20:00 - [11] And posting Intel about the alliance is the best way to get your point accross? I appreciate how you feel, but if you don't agree with the leadership then leave, it shouldn't have taken them kicking you out to get you to find an alternative. Some people just can't be helped, KOS have a reputation for being a "hard work" alliance, true or not i don't know myself so i'm not going to judge. Sorry to hear your beign forced out, thats never a good way to leave what i asume is a bunch of mates, but maybe it is for the best, just next time you might want to think about not posting all your alliances dirty washing first it may make finding alternative employment easier. Originally by: ISD Valorem If someone has hurt you out of game then please talk to family, friends or Police (if necessary)
Kilian II A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.11.24 10:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Hungo Stations - This is the juicy scoop here - On each KOS station there is only about 30% maximum of the moons covered because they lack the actual in house ability to field more than 1 Large POS per corp. The station systems themselves are easily take able. You only have to launch an offensive, let's be honest. Not as if they could stop you. Ahahaha ROFL Good to see that some things never change Now go and send 11ty BILLIONZ ISKZ TO MInERZHELPA AT ONZE !!!!111!
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.11.24 10:26:00 - [13] I can't say if it's true or not, who knows, but there was a similar thread about KOS a year ago, when they still were LV's friends and fought Russians. Press alt+F4 to reduce lag
Arkanjuca Caldari The Undertakers Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.24 10:35:00 - [14] If you dont trust the use of your capital ship to protect your alliance, youre in the wrong place and is loosing your time. They just helped you out them, as i see here... -- "Tackling you in the system next door"
Hungo Minmatar Unholy Foundation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.24 10:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Self righteous, selfish, canÆt follow orders? Man they are probably better off without you. LOL So i should loose my carrier so three haulers with ice in don't get blown when theyh belong to another corp? Where the executor corp gets to pick the best moons in any region they hold and the craps ones are given to the rest. How the president logs on @ thanks giving and demands all KOS to be helping goons knock out a POS which would be 2AM UK/EU time and 10PM US time on thanks giving. They expect instant obedience, i think not, get a clue dude :0
Alicia Phoenix	Posted - 2007.11.24 10:44:00 - [16] So what you are saying is you joined an alliance you had no intention of actually listening to. ok
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.11.24 10:47:00 - [17] If you're not ready to do your part, to go the extra mile when asked for the benefit of something bigger, then perhaps Hello Kitty Online might be a better choice for you.
Hungo Minmatar Unholy Foundation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.24 10:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke If you're not ready to do your part, to go the extra mile when asked for the benefit of something bigger, then perhaps Hello Kitty Online might be a better choice for you. Don't be a fool, there is no point in risking a carrier so that three CLOAKED haulers can leave system who where t a pos awaiting the order to run when and if i undocked. I would go the extra mile when needed but i will not loose my carrier so they can run off Don't be nieve, all three haulers had cloaks on
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.11.24 10:57:00 - [19] don't think you're alliance material, maybe you should try a low-sec pirate corp?
Hungo Minmatar Unholy Foundation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.24 11:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Mr Broker don't think you're alliance material, maybe you should try a low-sec pirate corp? Please think before you type, have you looked at my sec stat? Do i look like a pirate to you?
El Spooky	Posted - 2007.11.24 11:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Hungo Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke If you're not ready to do your part, to go the extra mile when asked for the benefit of something bigger, then perhaps Hello Kitty Online might be a better choice for you. Don't be a fool, there is no point in risking a carrier so that three CLOAKED haulers can leave system who where t a pos awaiting the order to run when and if i undocked. I would go the extra mile when needed but i will not loose my carrier so they can run off Don't be nieve, all three haulers had cloaks on And once you had caused this distraction the thing that was stoping you from re-docking was?
Hungo Minmatar Unholy Foundation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.24 11:05:00 - [22] Originally by: El Spooky Originally by: Hungo Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke If you're not ready to do your part, to go the extra mile when asked for the benefit of something bigger, then perhaps Hello Kitty Online might be a better choice for you. Don't be a fool, there is no point in risking a carrier so that three CLOAKED haulers can leave system who where t a pos awaiting the order to run when and if i undocked. I would go the extra mile when needed but i will not loose my carrier so they can run off Don't be nieve, all three haulers had cloaks on And once you had caused this distraction the thing that was stoping you from re-docking was? U ever seen 5 vagas at top speed hit a carrier from below or above? You end up very far from docking. So no, if i was pvp fitted sure, why the hell not, but i wasnt
Laura Baretta Minmatar Cult of the Skulls	Posted - 2007.11.24 11:08:00 - [23] Edited by: Laura Baretta on 24/11/2007 11:09:09 Don't listen to the guys bashing you here. Every soldier has the right to disobey utterly ********, useless and idiotic orders. Apart from that, I have to wonder if the KoS guy above is serious about his statement thatKoS is so great because they are holding so much space since a year. The only reason your sorry excuse of an alliance is still existant is because you live in a happy little nap land. Your alliance has not been tested yet, but the day will come and then you will realize what a huge failure it is. You will go down hard and fast. You can quote me on this.
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Damage Unlimited Inc	Posted - 2007.11.24 11:10:00 - [24] That's nothing new for all that play in the South. They, like Turdswarm, United Legion and few others shoul'd thank RAAAA for that piece of space they live in.
Tao Han Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.11.24 11:10:00 - [25] Meh, KOS arent famous for their fleet or alliance management skills anyway. They easily switch allegiance and they are actually Goon pets, I mean... How low can you go?
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Damage Unlimited Inc	Posted - 2007.11.24 11:13:00 - [26] Edited by: Jonathan Peterbilt on 24/11/2007 11:15:07 Originally by: fugazii i agree kos do suck. with their whole consistently owning space for well over a year, thier leadership is also crap as evident by their ability to be one of the very few alliances in eves history that survived losing their space and being able to hold the alliance together and acquire new space. and yes, they also have little ability to hold station systems. completely numbskulls on this field, odd that they were recently givin more space tho. One word: Turncoat
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.11.24 11:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Hungo Originally by: El Spooky Originally by: Hungo Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke If you're not ready to do your part, to go the extra mile when asked for the benefit of something bigger, then perhaps Hello Kitty Online might be a better choice for you. Don't be a fool, there is no point in risking a carrier so that three CLOAKED haulers can leave system who where t a pos awaiting the order to run when and if i undocked. I would go the extra mile when needed but i will not loose my carrier so they can run off Don't be nieve, all three haulers had cloaks on And once you had caused this distraction the thing that was stoping you from re-docking was? U ever seen 5 vagas at top speed hit a carrier from below or above? You end up very far from docking. So no, if i was pvp fitted sure, why the hell not, but i wasnt I hate to break it to you, but you're not going to get a whole lot of non-troll sympathy here over that issue. If it was just "Hey Hungo, go get blown up for our amusement", I'd be with you on this one. But you at least would have had a chance. Slim, maybe, but a chance. And it was apparently for a legitimate alliance cause. And taking a crap on the alliance publicly, that's just bad form. You're writing a hell of a resumF here for yourself, for whatever outfit you try to get to next.
Mira O'karr Minmatar Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.11.24 11:21:00 - [28] Edited by: Mira O''karr on 24/11/2007 11:22:32 could it be that KOS is holding that space because no one is interested in it? its like squatting a dump and being proud of it. digital renegades are having fun up there. good on them. edit: quick, to the corp ticker enable screen
Hungo Minmatar Unholy Foundation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.24 11:22:00 - [29] to the PO above me. Your opinion or lack or it really isn't my concern. KOS are nap happy idiots who NAP anyone they possible can, and your a fool for believing any other way, I'm not going to risk a 1.5 bil carrier on a slim chance i mite survive. Don't be nieve And the poaster who was chest beating kos holds lot of space And what happend when bobs started to hit KOS space? u lost two stations in 4 days and if it wasnt for tcf/goon/ra logistics u wouldn't be where u are now.
Tomsudy Minmatar Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.11.24 11:25:00 - [30] Originally by: fugazii i agree kos do suck. with their whole consistently owning space for well over a year, thier leadership is also crap as evident by their ability to be one of the very few alliances in eves history that survived losing their space and being able to hold the alliance together and acquire new space. and yes, they also have little ability to hold station systems. completely numbskulls on this field, odd that they were recently givin more space tho. Yes you are an example to alliances everywhere

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