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F90OEX	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:45:00 - [31] Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:15:10 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:13:36 after patch: fully rigged myrm: 543 dps dealt/511 dps tanked fully rigged drake: 339kin/299 other dps dealt/967 dps tanked. (with cn missiles) so tell me.. how am i supposed to kill a myrm in my drake?:) He's talking out his ass .. again
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Liang Nuren Funny, because I didn't quote you. I quoted the other guy (Idaeus). ;-) It's because I was frothing at the mouth on MSN to him (I really dislike passive shield tanks. Makes my armor tanking ass feel cheated). As for the Onyx we were goofing with last night. I finally got annoyed and swatted it with a Moros. IOI - Earned In Blood
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Idaeus Originally by: Liang Nuren Funny, because I didn't quote you. I quoted the other guy (Idaeus). ;-) It's because I was frothing at the mouth on MSN to him (I really dislike passive shield tanks. Makes my armor tanking ass feel cheated). As for the Onyx we were goofing with last night. I finally got annoyed and swatted it with a Moros. I understand where you're coming from, but you also need to consider that that "magic number" (recharge rate) is tangential. Passive shield tanks literally melt until they reach it... so its not like they recharge 800 HP every single second you shoot them. A Myrmidon, OTOH, can tank 500 DPS from the moment you hit armor until he goes pop. ;-) But yeah, I know where you're coming from. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:52:00 - [34] Does it matter who you quote and look at alliance/corp were obviously from the same corp and been playing together for well over a year... And I checked EFT again as I edited in a above post, yes I use PDU's to make it work so i guess you have me there it needs some power grid, but those are good to have in the lows regardless.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:53:00 - [35] Originally by: LordVodka Does it matter who you quote and look at alliance/corp were obviously from the same corp and been playing together for well over a year... And I checked EFT again as I edited in a above post, yes I use PDU's to make it work so i guess you have me there it needs some power grid, but those are good to have in the lows regardless. PDU's matter exactly jack crap for an active cap injected tank. ;-) The only reason to have a PDU over a damage mod is grid. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Idaeus Originally by: Liang Nuren Funny, because I didn't quote you. I quoted the other guy (Idaeus). ;-) It's because I was frothing at the mouth on MSN to him (I really dislike passive shield tanks. Makes my armor tanking ass feel cheated). As for the Onyx we were goofing with last night. I finally got annoyed and swatted it with a Moros. I understand where you're coming from, but you also need to consider that that "magic number" (recharge rate) is tangential. Passive shield tanks literally melt until they reach it... so its not like they recharge 800 HP every single second you shoot them. A Myrmidon, OTOH, can tank 500 DPS from the moment you hit armor until he goes pop. ;-) But yeah, I know where you're coming from. Liang A myrm tanks about 481 dps rigged, and sure it can do it perma if you call perma till it runs outa cap charges.... drake runs out of nothing cause it uses NO CAP.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:58:00 - [37] Originally by: LordVodka A myrm tanks about 481 dps rigged, and sure it can do it perma if you call perma till it runs outa cap charges.... drake runs out of nothing cause it uses NO CAP. Drake tanks do use cap for the hardeners, and if your Myrm only tanks 481, reconsider your fit (because it sucks). I can snag 550 out of one pretty easy. Dude, seriously, stop flaming me. I AM ON YOUR SIDE IN THIS. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:58:00 - [38] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: LordVodka Does it matter who you quote and look at alliance/corp were obviously from the same corp and been playing together for well over a year... And I checked EFT again as I edited in a above post, yes I use PDU's to make it work so i guess you have me there it needs some power grid, but those are good to have in the lows regardless. PDU's matter exactly jack crap for an active cap injected tank. ;-) The only reason to have a PDU over a damage mod is grid. Liang You have no idea what your doing if you think they matter jack crap they increase the amount of cap you get significantly and really boost sustainability.
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:59:00 - [39] Edited by: LordVodka on 25/11/2007 02:01:34 Since when were you on my side you said I have no idea what i'm talking about... And btw i can get 573 dps tank on a myrm t2 fit, it's sustainability over the previous fit which is key, 1 neut or nos on that fits no longer gonna last for the extent of its cap charges.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:59:00 - [40] Originally by: LordVodka Since when were you on my side you said I have no idea what i'm talking about... Only if your name is Ideus.. your alt I assume? Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:01:00 - [41] Originally by: LordVodka Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: LordVodka Does it matter who you quote and look at alliance/corp were obviously from the same corp and been playing together for well over a year... And I checked EFT again as I edited in a above post, yes I use PDU's to make it work so i guess you have me there it needs some power grid, but those are good to have in the lows regardless. PDU's matter exactly jack crap for an active cap injected tank. ;-) The only reason to have a PDU over a damage mod is grid. Liang You have no idea what your doing if you think they matter jack crap they increase the amount of cap you get significantly and really boost sustainability. So.... yeah, why don't we just fit all of our lows with PDUs because they're SO AWESOME. No, the tiny bit of cap recharge won't help you except in EFT's shield tangential "DPS tanked" calculation. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:05:00 - [42] Idaues is not my alt, and I'm done arguing with you.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:06:00 - [43] Well, I take it back - you're a complete idiot. You have no idea how to fit or use Gallente ships, nor how to fit or use Caldari ships, yet you're complaining and ****ing about them because you used (presumably) thermal damage to try to take down the Onyx. Even if someone fits T2 purgers with 5% implants and T2 everything, they're only going to get 900 DPS tankable on EM. For any realistic* setup, a gank Harbinger could solo him. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:11:00 - [44] Originally by: Liang Nuren Only if your name is Ideus.. your alt I assume? Idaeus. And nah we just hate on Caldari IOI - Earned In Blood
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:11:00 - [45] omg, seriously screen shot a harb that does 900 dps, right now, you talk about fitting mods seriously try fitting heavy pulse II without reactors or pdu's or fitting rigs , go now, I don't know how to fit gallante? well last i check my tank out dps'd yours, I have a idea, why dont you keep this on topic and not send personal attacks, IT's JUST A GAME.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:12:00 - [46] Originally by: LordVodka omg, seriously screen shot a harb that does 900 dps, right now, you talk about fitting mods seriously try fitting heavy pulse II without reactors or pdu's or fitting rigs , go now, I don't know how to fit gallante? well last i check my tank out dps'd yours, I have a idea, why dont you keep this on topic and not send personal attacks, IT's JUST A GAME. You first? Besides, I said with any REALISTIC setup ... so maybe you consider T2 rigs realistic? Get off of Sisi. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:18:00 - [47] As I said we're done arguing, I do use realistic fits, and anyone besides this guy that has anything to criticize more then happy to hear it.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:19:00 - [48] Originally by: LordVodka As I said we're done arguing, I do use realistic fits, and anyone besides this guy that has anything to criticize more then happy to hear it. Realistic fits don't use T2 rigs man. -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:24:00 - [49] Originally by: LordVodka you talk about fitting mods seriously try fitting heavy pulse II without reactors or pdu's or fitting rigs Harbinger 7x Heavy Pulse Laser II 10mn MWD II, Med Cap Booster II, Warp Disruptor II, Sensor Booster II 3x HS II, 2x N-Type Adaptive Nano, DCU II 3x Trimarks 5x Hammerhead II Harbinger 4x Heavy Pulse II, 3x FMP II 10mn MWD II, J5 Warp disruptor, X5 Web, Sm Cap Booster II 1600 RT, DCU II, EANM II, 3x HS II 3x Trimarks 5x Hammerhead II I picked both of those setups up out of a fitting thread... but I never said the Harbinger didn't need 40-50 CPU (In fact, I've stated several times in several threads that it does need a smidgeon more CPU). Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Kelevraen Caldari Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:25:00 - [50] HAI GUYZ WUTS GOIN ON IN DIZ THREAD!? I thought I would say... Don't nerf moros drone dps :( Caldari are AWESOME Minmatar are AWESOME Gallente is AWESOME Amarr are AWESOME Kelevraen is AWESOME Any other ways I could hijack this thread? Seriously, what are you guys arguing about? Passive tanked drakes are broken. Passive tanking needs the nerfbat to the nuts. That's all i could think off... Hi there!
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:27:00 - [51] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: LordVodka you talk about fitting mods seriously try fitting heavy pulse II without reactors or pdu's or fitting rigs Harbinger 7x Heavy Pulse Laser II 10mn MWD II, Med Cap Booster II, Warp Disruptor II, Sensor Booster II 3x HS II, 2x N-Type Adaptive Nano, DCU II 3x Trimarks 5x Hammerhead II Harbinger 4x Heavy Pulse II, 3x FMP II 10mn MWD II, J5 Warp disruptor, X5 Web, Sm Cap Booster II 1600 RT, DCU II, EANM II, 3x HS II 3x Trimarks 5x Hammerhead II I picked both of those setups up out of a fitting thread... but I never said the Harbinger didn't need 40-50 CPU (In fact, I've stated several times in several threads that it does need a smidgeon more CPU). Liang That's not 900 dps.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:27:00 - [52] Originally by: Kelevraen HAI GUYZ WUTS GOIN ON IN DIZ THREAD!? I thought I would say... Don't nerf moros drone dps :( Caldari are AWESOME Minmatar are AWESOME Gallente is AWESOME Amarr are AWESOME Kelevraen is AWESOME Any other ways I could hijack this thread? Seriously, what are you guys arguing about? Passive tanked drakes are broken. Passive tanking needs the nerfbat to the nuts. That's all i could think off... Um, I think that we all agree on that, but he insists that I don't know what I'm talking about because I said that he didn't know what he was talking about because he said that its perfectly fine that Drakes need 2-3 PG upgrades to fit an active tank because the Drakes PG is too. At least, I think so. It's hard to keep this guy and his alts separated .. but his "alt" does come across as a more reasonable fellow than this turd. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Mannheim Wolf Caldari Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:27:00 - [53] Hello there. I was the onyx on Sisi that LV and Id were referring to. I'll admit that the onyx can tank like a rock, but i know atleast the fit i had yesterday was lacking in a specific way, and once people figured it out, i went down under 3 Hacs (2 Ishtars, 1 Sacrilege) and a second onyx. However, it is still a beast of a tank. Now, normally I'd say this would be a bad thing. However, because it has crappy DPS, I think its a good balance. ~Wolf P.S. On sisi, my first onyx that was killed by two dreads tanked 512k damage, the second tanked 175k damage. --- Always outnumbered. Most likely outgunned. Never outsmarted. ~Wolf
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:29:00 - [54] Originally by: LordVodka Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: LordVodka you talk about fitting mods seriously try fitting heavy pulse II without reactors or pdu's or fitting rigs Harbinger 7x Heavy Pulse Laser II 10mn MWD II, Med Cap Booster II, Warp Disruptor II, Sensor Booster II 3x HS II, 2x N-Type Adaptive Nano, DCU II 3x Trimarks 5x Hammerhead II Harbinger 4x Heavy Pulse II, 3x FMP II 10mn MWD II, J5 Warp disruptor, X5 Web, Sm Cap Booster II 1600 RT, DCU II, EANM II, 3x HS II 3x Trimarks 5x Hammerhead II I picked both of those setups up out of a fitting thread... but I never said the Harbinger didn't need 40-50 CPU (In fact, I've stated several times in several threads that it does need a smidgeon more CPU). Liang That's not 900 dps. Hell, I never said it was 900 DPS, but do you see an RCU or PDU on there? noooo, I don't think so buddy! Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:29:00 - [55] Edited by: LordVodka on 25/11/2007 02:30:06 I agreed with you on that in like 4 posts, learn to read... I also see no chance of surviving.
Ariana Lizette	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:30:00 - [56] 2007.11.25 02:25 The scumsucker is located at RLL-9R IX - Intaki Space Police Assembly Plant station in the RLL-9R system of the QS-FVH constellation. With regards, Kauntora Itkaku.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:31:00 - [57] Originally by: Ariana Lizette 2007.11.25 02:25 The scumsucker is located at RLL-9R IX - Intaki Space Police Assembly Plant station in the RLL-9R system of the QS-FVH constellation. With regards, Kauntora Itkaku. Hell you could have asked, I'd have said to come play. ;-) Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Ararius EP0CH Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:41:00 - [58] In eft, I cant easily slap together a fully T2 (except for a cap booster) drake without using any PDUs. 7 HML II LSB II Electrochemical Cap Booster 2 Invuls EM and Thermal Hards 1 BCU Only 1 BCU because I dont have CPU for any more! It fits with AWU 4 with about 100 grid leftover. So boost Drake CPU! However fitting HAMs is quite harder with exactly the same fit, it goes about 60 grid or so over, but if you do fit a PDU, you can fit it. PDUs are great for all shield tanking ships, Passive or active. 5 Effects that aid you, Cap Amount and Cap Recharge both help with your cap, giving you more of a buffer untill you need to start boosting, or other cap related things. The Shield amount and recharge also give you a bigger buffer untill you need to start up your tank, and gives you longer time under fire. Lastly the Grid bonus just makes it all gravy. However that setup still lack the cpu/grid for a MWD. Drake has it's own niche, and it's quite good at it. But then you could always slap some overdrives in the lows, RSDs (before the nerf) and a mwd and point on it and go to town! (btw, this thread has been claimed by the Black Sun Cartel ) Im ugly, just look at my face!
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:42:00 - [59] Damn, who would have thought Ships and Modules could be almost as entertaining as CAOD? Anyway, despite the mudslinging (are we sure we're not in CAOD?) it appears that you're in agreement about the OP. That passive tanking is ez-mode, active tanking needs to be the preferred style of tank, and that ships which currently passive tank need to be looked at closely so they can fit a reasonable active tank. And really, LV and I aren't the same person. But you hang around someone long enough to tend to know how they think (and besides, there is e-honor involved!~). I don't really get quite indepth in my hate. I'm looking at Trinity with a fair amount of trepidation and the grass on the other side of the fence is looking greener. I'm seriously thinking of picking up Amarr because at least then I can't really worry about getting kicked in the nuts. IOI - Earned In Blood
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:50:00 - [60] Originally by: Idaeus Damn, who would have thought Ships and Modules could be almost as entertaining as CAOD? I dunno, after I got flamed for no apparent reason for the third time, I decided to go for the gold. ;-) Quote: Anyway, despite the mudslinging (are we sure we're not in CAOD?) it appears that you're in agreement about the OP. That passive tanking is ez-mode, active tanking needs to be the preferred style of tank, and that ships which currently passive tank need to be looked at closely so they can fit a reasonable active tank. Yeah, /signed. ;-) Quote: And really, LV and I aren't the same person. But you hang around someone long enough to tend to know how they think (and besides, there is e-honor involved!~). I don't really get quite indepth in my hate. Hehe, yeah, its pretty obvious tbh. Its just that he responds for you for no apparent reason, and then acts as if I insulted him for insulting you for ... bah, nevermind. ;-) Quote: I'm looking at Trinity with a fair amount of trepidation and the grass on the other side of the fence is looking greener. Yeah, I'm unhappy to be nerfed as hard as I am (because my ships are all being nerfed heh). Quote: I'm seriously thinking of picking up Amarr because at least then I can't really worry about getting kicked in the nuts. You aren't the only one TBH. I've been considering training for the Sac or Abso, but I'm sure the moment I did they'd be horribly nerfed. =/ Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?

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