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LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.24 12:17:00 - [1] Edited by: LordVodka on 24/11/2007 12:21:35 So, the race that has sucked at pvp for well over a year finally is getting a boost. I've heard quotes saying, 'im telling you man, its "Caldari Online" again.' Is this so far from the truth? Well when we begin to analyze the new changes the first and most welcome change comes to my mind. Torps! They are bigger, they are meaner, and well balanced . The torp changes for Trinity are fantastic in my opinion. Caldari now have a ship to get in close and slug it out with. The next biggest ship that comes to mind for me is the Onyx, Now i find the of the Heavy dicter to be quite cool. Coming from pirate roots I'm happy to see a ship that can catch isk farmers that get past our grips every day, and a way to kill WANNA BE's in Nyx's who sit on the nonni gate and smartbomb any little frig that comes by with minimal risk to there ships at worst for them. Back to the Onyx though, the ship it self has no major key advantage over the other 3 heavy interdicters, it's shield tanking in general with the slot layout of the Onyx that does. Let's face it Passive tanking has been nerfed, but for once it wasn't nerfed to the extent that it should of been. If one is to get on EFT and fit a optimal t2 fit passive drake with rigs they will find it can tank damn near 1000 dps. Well let's look at battleships, they can easily do this right??? A few can such as the Abaddon which can get about a 1200 dps tank if it uses autocannons to preserve cap, the Hyperion can get around a 1000 dps tank, the armageddon, and 7 low slot bs's can all get in the mid 800's or so rigged. Well let us look at the other BC's the myrm will get about a 400 dps tank, and the harb and cane 300's if your lucky. Not only can the Drake tnak more dps then the other bc's but it has a much larger hp buffer which gives him a longer time to get friendly support on him, something armor tanking BC's won't get in a fight with over 5 people per side likely. The idea of your shields recharging passively is a cool idea, but there is no reason to explain why shield that require no energy will recharge much much better then the shields that are taking all of a ships capacitor to regain. By this point I have a couple hundred carebear drake pilots up in flames, WE CAN'T DO DPS SO WE NEED TANK!!!!!. Once again we go back to our reliable EFT where one will find the drake is right on par with the harb and cane, if the drake pilot is to fit HAM II, he is quite capable of reaching in hte mid 500 dps area, running 2 t2 bcu's, and he can do this with a tank that is no worse then the avg tank on a cane and harb about 150-240 dps. The next changes are the changes to the scorpion and blackbird, I myself have had quite a bit of expieriance with post nerf ecm, I got a caldari character after revelations and had him for about 4 months. To drop a scorpion in a fight I could easily remove 3 bs's from a fight, and ofc as each of them would die at somepoint another ship after, in so doing shutting off a higher percentage of there gang with each kill. Now I see the changes that are to improve the jamming strength of a scorp and I ask myself should it really be able to knock 4 ships outa a fight? "It's primary you noob!" Well if you have any idea what your doing in a ecm ship your gonan be well outa range of most of the action (the ship can jam at max tareting range if you know what your doing) So therefore the ship itself wont be taking many blows and likely doesnt need the ecm jam strength bonus. The BB on the other hand, being able to fit much less ecm, jam at less distance cause of slot layouts and likelyhood of rigging a t1 cruiser, and also cap sustainability gets a welcome change with a ecm strength bonus that is much deserved by the ship, and leaves caldari with a good support ship for cruisers. If you made it to the end of this I'd like to thank you for your time, and ya NERF PASSIVE TANKING WHOOT! O, on a side note, nerf moros drone dps .
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2007.11.24 12:24:00 - [2] ermm...okay. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.24 13:13:00 - [3] Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:15:10 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:13:36 after patch: fully rigged myrm: 543 dps dealt/511 dps tanked fully rigged drake: 339kin/299 other dps dealt/967 dps tanked. (with cn missiles) so tell me.. how am i supposed to kill a myrm in my drake?:)
ThaDollaGenerale R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2007.11.24 13:21:00 - [4] You killed me a couple of times. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Troye Gallente Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.24 13:40:00 - [5] Originally by: d026 after patch: fully rigged myrm: 543 dps dealt/511 dps tanked fully rigged drake: 339kin/299 other dps dealt/967 dps tanked. (with cn missiles) so tell me.. how am i supposed to kill a myrm in my drake?:) Someones been playing around too much with quick fit again... _______________________________________________ http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=618279
Roygul	Posted - 2007.11.24 13:46:00 - [6] Hows the Myr to kill the drake :)
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.24 13:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Roygul Hows the Myr to kill the drake :) see none can kill the other.. quite balanced aint it<?:)
Solant Minmatar Ventis Secundis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.24 14:03:00 - [8] good luck reliably jamming 3 bs in a scorp, OP.
Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.11.24 18:10:00 - [9] LoL 1stly try fit sustainable tank on drake and make him do more DPS, you can do only one of it and only tank is in whitch drake is good. Good passive tank on drake mean you fit 3 shieldregen rigs, 2-3 shield regen mods in lows and hardeners in midle. At that point you have barely enough powergrid to fit just normal heavy missiles, no way (except you wana use some expensive implants). And also at that point your sig looks like christmas tree so big guns realy hurt. And by the way Myrm not suposed to be shieldtanker and can heavily outdps drake due guns having more damage and also having huge drone cargo and huge drone bonuses. And ofcourse total hitpoints on myrmi is also greater.
NoNah Tenth Legion Holdings	Posted - 2007.11.24 18:18:00 - [10] Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:15:10 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:13:36 after patch: fully rigged myrm: 543 dps dealt/511 dps tanked fully rigged drake: 339kin/299 other dps dealt/967 dps tanked. (with cn missiles) so tell me.. how am i supposed to kill a myrm in my drake?:) With those numbers...(Not sure how you get them at all tbh) 2 Myrmids: 1086 dps/511 dps tanked 2 Drakes 678 dps/967 dps tanked. so... the Drakes breach the myrm tank at a rate of 167 dps, and the myrmids breach the drake tank at a rate of 109 dps. And the Drakes got helluvalot more buffert? And the myrmid can get their dps nullified and countered. Postcount: 591308
Bahubali	Posted - 2007.11.24 18:26:00 - [11] huh what are you guys discussing it here, same thing flamed to dust thousands time before, move on.
Edriahn Gallente Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2007.11.24 18:39:00 - [12] Ehy don't ya try some real ship setups, not the EFT "monsters"? Or you really flyr shield tanked myrmis and drakes without MWD, web, cap injecor,warp scrambler...? Get real for a moment, battlecruisers shine in small gangs, where you are really gonna need these modules...
Ararius EP0CH Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.24 19:58:00 - [13] Hint, hes actually starting a wine on the Onyx (that a alliance member was testing out on sis the other day.... Tanking a Gank Cane, Abso, and Mega ftl) But then basing that as an argument on passive tanks (that are quite good right now, at least on the Onyx) Then he goes on to saying how much hes liking the new ECM changes ;D Im ugly, just look at my face!
Eardianm Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.24 20:18:00 - [14] Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:15:10 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:13:36 after patch: fully rigged myrm: 543 dps dealt/511 dps tanked fully rigged drake: 339kin/299 other dps dealt/967 dps tanked. (with cn missiles) so tell me.. how am i supposed to kill a myrm in my drake?:) Use HAMs --------------
TimMc Skiddies of Doom	Posted - 2007.11.24 21:50:00 - [15] Edited by: TimMc on 24/11/2007 21:50:04 Originally by: Eardianm Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:15:10 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:13:36 after patch: fully rigged myrm: 543 dps dealt/511 dps tanked fully rigged drake: 339kin/299 other dps dealt/967 dps tanked. (with cn missiles) so tell me.. how am i supposed to kill a myrm in my drake?:) Use HAMs Yep, then the Drake becomes even more obviously the most overpowered battlecruiser. There is a reason why most people ignore drakes unless you have 2 battleships.
ArtemisEntreri TALON'S GRIP	Posted - 2007.11.25 00:48:00 - [16] Originally by: TimMc Edited by: TimMc on 24/11/2007 21:50:04 Originally by: Eardianm Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:15:10 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:13:36 after patch: fully rigged myrm: 543 dps dealt/511 dps tanked fully rigged drake: 339kin/299 other dps dealt/967 dps tanked. (with cn missiles) so tell me.. how am i supposed to kill a myrm in my drake?:) Use HAMs Yep, then the Drake becomes even more obviously the most overpowered battlecruiser. There is a reason why most people ignore drakes unless you have 2 battleships. you can't fit a passive tank with hams, they take ridiculous grid and you can only fit like 1 large shield extender if you fit them
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 00:54:00 - [17] TBH, boost the Drake's powergrid so that it can actually fit an active tank with only a single fitting mod. Then stacking nerf shield recharge. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:00:00 - [18] Originally by: Liang Nuren TBH, boost the Drake's powergrid so that it can actually fit an active tank with only a single fitting mod. Then stacking nerf shield recharge. Liang Drakes regen was already nerfed. I dont know what everyone have against darake, yes its probably best pasive shieldtank but thats all, his DPS sux and fiting any pvp stuff on pasive tank is almost mission imposible without screwing his pasive tank greatly.
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:05:00 - [19] Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:15:10 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:13:36 after patch: fully rigged myrm: 543 dps dealt/511 dps tanked fully rigged drake: 339kin/299 other dps dealt/967 dps tanked. (with cn missiles) so tell me.. how am i supposed to kill a myrm in my drake?:) I once heard of this module called of a "large shield booster II" it's a secret so don't let it get out.... but it allows you to fit another module "ballistic control unit II" opposed to SPR II.
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:07:00 - [20] Originally by: NoNah Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:15:10 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:13:36 after patch: fully rigged myrm: 543 dps dealt/511 dps tanked fully rigged drake: 339kin/299 other dps dealt/967 dps tanked. (with cn missiles) so tell me.. how am i supposed to kill a myrm in my drake?:) With those numbers...(Not sure how you get them at all tbh) 2 Myrmids: 1086 dps/511 dps tanked 2 Drakes 678 dps/967 dps tanked. so... the Drakes breach the myrm tank at a rate of 167 dps, and the myrmids breach the drake tank at a rate of 109 dps. And the Drakes got helluvalot more buffert? And the myrmid can get their dps nullified and countered. Ya I REALLY want to see a 1086 dps myrm, with a 511 tank what are you fitting hte best officer LOL.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Elain Reverse Originally by: Liang Nuren TBH, boost the Drake's powergrid so that it can actually fit an active tank with only a single fitting mod. Then stacking nerf shield recharge. Liang Drakes regen was already nerfed. I dont know what everyone have against darake, yes its probably best pasive shieldtank but thats all, his DPS sux and fiting any pvp stuff on pasive tank is almost mission imposible without screwing his pasive tank greatly. Yes, I know that the Drake's regen was nerfed. I was flying one at the time (and still do, tbh). It does have the best passive shield tank (if you have BC5). It's DPS does "suck", but that's because you're not fitting damage mods. The fits that everyone compares it to ARE fitting damage mods. You decide why you're not dealing out damage. Now, since you were so kind as to say its "mission impossible": 7 Arby HML (CN Scourge) 10mn MWD II, 2x LSE II, 2x Invuln II, Warp disruptor II 3x BCU II, DCU II 1x Purger, 2x Extender Rigs 470 DPS, 100k Eff HP, 212 regen (you can tank a full flight of drones), and you can run everything for 3 minutes. You probably do not need to run your MWD that long... just saying. 7x HAM II (CN Terror Assault) 10mn MWD II, LSE II, Sensor Booster II, Invuln II, Fleeting web, Warp Disruptor II 3x BCU II, DCU II 2x Hydraulic Bay Thruster, ACR 618 DPS (yay, I can EFT tooo!), same situation as above, but the idea is to get in close and melt their brains from ZERO meters (yes, zero). Just a few ideas. The problem is that you don't have the PG to do anything without two fitting mods. The solution? Boost the Drake's PG (so that you're not "down" to slots), and then nerf passive shield tanking. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:09:00 - [22] Edited by: LordVodka on 25/11/2007 01:12:10 Originally by: Liang Nuren TBH, boost the Drake's powergrid so that it can actually fit an active tank with only a single fitting mod. Then stacking nerf shield recharge. Liang Try a skill I like to call AWU. I have fit the ship and it works without fitting mods. Max your cpu skills and get AWU to 4, or 5. In the end a trade off for a powergrid boost and a serious passive tank nerf is acceptable. I would be more then willing to see this come about.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:12:00 - [23] Originally by: LordVodka Originally by: Liang Nuren TBH, boost the Drake's powergrid so that it can actually fit an active tank with only a single fitting mod. Then stacking nerf shield recharge. Liang Try a skill I like to call AWU. I have fit the ship and it works without fitting mods. Max your cpu skills and get AWU to 4, or 5. Actually, I have AWU4 - you simply cannot fit a T2 ACTIVE TANK on a Drake without two fitting mods. Try it - I had a 4 page thread about it about 3 weeks ago. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:12:00 - [24] Originally by: LordVodka Originally by: Liang Nuren TBH, boost the Drake's powergrid so that it can actually fit an active tank with only a single fitting mod. Then stacking nerf shield recharge. Liang Try a skill I like to call AWU. I have fit the ship and it works without fitting mods. Max your cpu skills and get AWU to 4, or 5. That requires putting more SP into gunnery then missile hoes are willing to do. IOI - Earned In Blood
Kelsenn Amarr EP0CH	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:24:00 - [25] He's complaining about passive tanked Onyx, it's insane how much damage it can take. It's not designed to deal damage, we know that, but it still gets the heavy dictor skills, which makes it more than useful. It tanked my Absolution, a hurricane, and a megathron far too long for a cruiser, even a t2 with full t2 tank. It's TOO good of a tank, no one will be able to kill a heavy dictor unless they drop at least 2 BS's on it. Also, complaining about the ECM bonus to the Scorpion, it can already jam pretty well, and a smart pilot shouldn't be close enough to get caught easily, the BB needs it, the Scorp doesn't need much. The BC argument shouldn't need to be clarified at all. If you've ever stepped out of high sec to PvP you know what they're like. #1. Onyx passive tank is more than most BS's can muster without becoming completely useless. #2. Scorpion doesn't need much of an ECM boost, it's a nice ship, with a nice pilot, it's plenty useful and more than deadly. #3. **** Drakes.
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:30:00 - [26] Hmm I actually forgot alot of my key points on the Oynx... but here's the problem with the ship let's assume were in EC- of pureblind, people should know it last i checked theres more km's there then from any system in eve.. Your sitting there with your gatecamp and you pop your bubble while sitting on the gate, opposing small gang jumps in... They need to move some stuff through the gate... So over course take down the onyx well this onyx is going to absorb about 150K- 550K damage before going down from what i been seeing on Sisi. The key issue is though after absoring an immense amount of dps the oynx is just gonna click jump and leave. During this entire time your going to have to deal with whatever else was in this guys gang, and then after the onyx docks to recharge shields he'll be right back on the gate bubbling you in again. I just think that the passive shield tank gives him to much of a carefree world when gatecamping...
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Idaeus Originally by: LordVodka Originally by: Liang Nuren TBH, boost the Drake's powergrid so that it can actually fit an active tank with only a single fitting mod. Then stacking nerf shield recharge. Liang Try a skill I like to call AWU. I have fit the ship and it works without fitting mods. Max your cpu skills and get AWU to 4, or 5. That requires putting more SP into gunnery then missile hoes are willing to do. You simply don't know what you're talking about, kthx. I HAVE awu4. If I thought AWU5 would get me a T2 active shield tank on my Drake, I'd GLADLY train it. But you're too busy saying "omg nerf erfn ernfn enrfn ernerndfnerfnefnernf" that you don't realize I'm saying "Yeah, the passive tank is overpowered, but at least let it keep a reasonable ACTIVE TANK". Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:42:00 - [28] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Idaeus Originally by: LordVodka Originally by: Liang Nuren TBH, boost the Drake's powergrid so that it can actually fit an active tank with only a single fitting mod. Then stacking nerf shield recharge. Liang Try a skill I like to call AWU. I have fit the ship and it works without fitting mods. Max your cpu skills and get AWU to 4, or 5. That requires putting more SP into gunnery then missile hoes are willing to do. You simply don't know what you're talking about, kthx. I HAVE awu4. If I thought AWU5 would get me a T2 active shield tank on my Drake, I'd GLADLY train it. But you're too busy saying "omg nerf erfn ernfn enrfn ernerndfnerfnefnernf" that you don't realize I'm saying "Yeah, the passive tank is overpowered, but at least let it keep a reasonable ACTIVE TANK". Liang You have no idea what your talking about I just agreed that a powergrid boost was a moretehn fair trade off for a passive nerf.
Tanis Vaperstrome	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:43:00 - [29] Originally by: LordVodka Hmm I actually forgot alot of my key points on the Oynx... but here's the problem with the ship let's assume were in EC- of pureblind, people should know it last i checked theres more km's there then from any system in eve.. Your sitting there with your gatecamp and you pop your bubble while sitting on the gate, opposing small gang jumps in... They need to move some stuff through the gate... So over course take down the onyx well this onyx is going to absorb about 150K- 550K damage before going down from what i been seeing on Sisi. The key issue is though after absoring an immense amount of dps the oynx is just gonna click jump and leave. During this entire time your going to have to deal with whatever else was in this guys gang, and then after the onyx docks to recharge shields he'll be right back on the gate bubbling you in again. I just think that the passive shield tank gives him to much of a carefree world when gatecamping... My understanding is that bubbles, both dictor and heavy dictor, now cause aggression against every ship it hits and will prevent jumping/docking/etc as any other act would.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:45:00 - [30] Originally by: LordVodka Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Idaeus Originally by: LordVodka Originally by: Liang Nuren TBH, boost the Drake's powergrid so that it can actually fit an active tank with only a single fitting mod. Then stacking nerf shield recharge. Liang Try a skill I like to call AWU. I have fit the ship and it works without fitting mods. Max your cpu skills and get AWU to 4, or 5. That requires putting more SP into gunnery then missile hoes are willing to do. You simply don't know what you're talking about, kthx. I HAVE awu4. If I thought AWU5 would get me a T2 active shield tank on my Drake, I'd GLADLY train it. But you're too busy saying "omg nerf erfn ernfn enrfn ernerndfnerfnefnernf" that you don't realize I'm saying "Yeah, the passive tank is overpowered, but at least let it keep a reasonable ACTIVE TANK". Liang You have no idea what your talking about I just agreed that a powergrid boost was a moretehn fair trade off for a passive nerf. Funny, because I didn't quote you. I quoted the other guy (Idaeus). ;-) Yeah, IMO the shield recharge nerf would ** lots of people off, but they'd get over it. You can get most of your tank back by switching to Extender rigs instead of purgers, and limiting yourself to 3 SPR II's. Liang -- Retired forum ***. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
F90OEX	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:45:00 - [31] Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:15:10 Edited by: d026 on 24/11/2007 13:13:36 after patch: fully rigged myrm: 543 dps dealt/511 dps tanked fully rigged drake: 339kin/299 other dps dealt/967 dps tanked. (with cn missiles) so tell me.. how am i supposed to kill a myrm in my drake?:) He's talking out his ass .. again
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Liang Nuren Funny, because I didn't quote you. I quoted the other guy (Idaeus). ;-) It's because I was frothing at the mouth on MSN to him (I really dislike passive shield tanks. Makes my armor tanking ass feel cheated). As for the Onyx we were goofing with last night. I finally got annoyed and swatted it with a Moros. IOI - Earned In Blood
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Idaeus Originally by: Liang Nuren Funny, because I didn't quote you. I quoted the other guy (Idaeus). ;-) It's because I was frothing at the mouth on MSN to him (I really dislike passive shield tanks. Makes my armor tanking ass feel cheated). As for the Onyx we were goofing with last night. I finally got annoyed and swatted it with a Moros. I understand where you're coming from, but you also need to consider that that "magic number" (recharge rate) is tangential. Passive shield tanks literally melt until they reach it... so its not like they recharge 800 HP every single second you shoot them. A Myrmidon, OTOH, can tank 500 DPS from the moment you hit armor until he goes pop. ;-) But yeah, I know where you're coming from. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:52:00 - [34] Does it matter who you quote and look at alliance/corp were obviously from the same corp and been playing together for well over a year... And I checked EFT again as I edited in a above post, yes I use PDU's to make it work so i guess you have me there it needs some power grid, but those are good to have in the lows regardless.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:53:00 - [35] Originally by: LordVodka Does it matter who you quote and look at alliance/corp were obviously from the same corp and been playing together for well over a year... And I checked EFT again as I edited in a above post, yes I use PDU's to make it work so i guess you have me there it needs some power grid, but those are good to have in the lows regardless. PDU's matter exactly jack crap for an active cap injected tank. ;-) The only reason to have a PDU over a damage mod is grid. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Idaeus Originally by: Liang Nuren Funny, because I didn't quote you. I quoted the other guy (Idaeus). ;-) It's because I was frothing at the mouth on MSN to him (I really dislike passive shield tanks. Makes my armor tanking ass feel cheated). As for the Onyx we were goofing with last night. I finally got annoyed and swatted it with a Moros. I understand where you're coming from, but you also need to consider that that "magic number" (recharge rate) is tangential. Passive shield tanks literally melt until they reach it... so its not like they recharge 800 HP every single second you shoot them. A Myrmidon, OTOH, can tank 500 DPS from the moment you hit armor until he goes pop. ;-) But yeah, I know where you're coming from. Liang A myrm tanks about 481 dps rigged, and sure it can do it perma if you call perma till it runs outa cap charges.... drake runs out of nothing cause it uses NO CAP.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:58:00 - [37] Originally by: LordVodka A myrm tanks about 481 dps rigged, and sure it can do it perma if you call perma till it runs outa cap charges.... drake runs out of nothing cause it uses NO CAP. Drake tanks do use cap for the hardeners, and if your Myrm only tanks 481, reconsider your fit (because it sucks). I can snag 550 out of one pretty easy. Dude, seriously, stop flaming me. I AM ON YOUR SIDE IN THIS. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:58:00 - [38] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: LordVodka Does it matter who you quote and look at alliance/corp were obviously from the same corp and been playing together for well over a year... And I checked EFT again as I edited in a above post, yes I use PDU's to make it work so i guess you have me there it needs some power grid, but those are good to have in the lows regardless. PDU's matter exactly jack crap for an active cap injected tank. ;-) The only reason to have a PDU over a damage mod is grid. Liang You have no idea what your doing if you think they matter jack crap they increase the amount of cap you get significantly and really boost sustainability.
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:59:00 - [39] Edited by: LordVodka on 25/11/2007 02:01:34 Since when were you on my side you said I have no idea what i'm talking about... And btw i can get 573 dps tank on a myrm t2 fit, it's sustainability over the previous fit which is key, 1 neut or nos on that fits no longer gonna last for the extent of its cap charges.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:59:00 - [40] Originally by: LordVodka Since when were you on my side you said I have no idea what i'm talking about... Only if your name is Ideus.. your alt I assume? Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:01:00 - [41] Originally by: LordVodka Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: LordVodka Does it matter who you quote and look at alliance/corp were obviously from the same corp and been playing together for well over a year... And I checked EFT again as I edited in a above post, yes I use PDU's to make it work so i guess you have me there it needs some power grid, but those are good to have in the lows regardless. PDU's matter exactly jack crap for an active cap injected tank. ;-) The only reason to have a PDU over a damage mod is grid. Liang You have no idea what your doing if you think they matter jack crap they increase the amount of cap you get significantly and really boost sustainability. So.... yeah, why don't we just fit all of our lows with PDUs because they're SO AWESOME. No, the tiny bit of cap recharge won't help you except in EFT's shield tangential "DPS tanked" calculation. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:05:00 - [42] Idaues is not my alt, and I'm done arguing with you.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:06:00 - [43] Well, I take it back - you're a complete idiot. You have no idea how to fit or use Gallente ships, nor how to fit or use Caldari ships, yet you're complaining and ****ing about them because you used (presumably) thermal damage to try to take down the Onyx. Even if someone fits T2 purgers with 5% implants and T2 everything, they're only going to get 900 DPS tankable on EM. For any realistic* setup, a gank Harbinger could solo him. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:11:00 - [44] Originally by: Liang Nuren Only if your name is Ideus.. your alt I assume? Idaeus. And nah we just hate on Caldari IOI - Earned In Blood
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:11:00 - [45] omg, seriously screen shot a harb that does 900 dps, right now, you talk about fitting mods seriously try fitting heavy pulse II without reactors or pdu's or fitting rigs , go now, I don't know how to fit gallante? well last i check my tank out dps'd yours, I have a idea, why dont you keep this on topic and not send personal attacks, IT's JUST A GAME.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:12:00 - [46] Originally by: LordVodka omg, seriously screen shot a harb that does 900 dps, right now, you talk about fitting mods seriously try fitting heavy pulse II without reactors or pdu's or fitting rigs , go now, I don't know how to fit gallante? well last i check my tank out dps'd yours, I have a idea, why dont you keep this on topic and not send personal attacks, IT's JUST A GAME. You first? Besides, I said with any REALISTIC setup ... so maybe you consider T2 rigs realistic? Get off of Sisi. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:18:00 - [47] As I said we're done arguing, I do use realistic fits, and anyone besides this guy that has anything to criticize more then happy to hear it.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:19:00 - [48] Originally by: LordVodka As I said we're done arguing, I do use realistic fits, and anyone besides this guy that has anything to criticize more then happy to hear it. Realistic fits don't use T2 rigs man. -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:24:00 - [49] Originally by: LordVodka you talk about fitting mods seriously try fitting heavy pulse II without reactors or pdu's or fitting rigs Harbinger 7x Heavy Pulse Laser II 10mn MWD II, Med Cap Booster II, Warp Disruptor II, Sensor Booster II 3x HS II, 2x N-Type Adaptive Nano, DCU II 3x Trimarks 5x Hammerhead II Harbinger 4x Heavy Pulse II, 3x FMP II 10mn MWD II, J5 Warp disruptor, X5 Web, Sm Cap Booster II 1600 RT, DCU II, EANM II, 3x HS II 3x Trimarks 5x Hammerhead II I picked both of those setups up out of a fitting thread... but I never said the Harbinger didn't need 40-50 CPU (In fact, I've stated several times in several threads that it does need a smidgeon more CPU). Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Kelevraen Caldari Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:25:00 - [50] HAI GUYZ WUTS GOIN ON IN DIZ THREAD!? I thought I would say... Don't nerf moros drone dps :( Caldari are AWESOME Minmatar are AWESOME Gallente is AWESOME Amarr are AWESOME Kelevraen is AWESOME Any other ways I could hijack this thread? Seriously, what are you guys arguing about? Passive tanked drakes are broken. Passive tanking needs the nerfbat to the nuts. That's all i could think off... Hi there!
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:27:00 - [51] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: LordVodka you talk about fitting mods seriously try fitting heavy pulse II without reactors or pdu's or fitting rigs Harbinger 7x Heavy Pulse Laser II 10mn MWD II, Med Cap Booster II, Warp Disruptor II, Sensor Booster II 3x HS II, 2x N-Type Adaptive Nano, DCU II 3x Trimarks 5x Hammerhead II Harbinger 4x Heavy Pulse II, 3x FMP II 10mn MWD II, J5 Warp disruptor, X5 Web, Sm Cap Booster II 1600 RT, DCU II, EANM II, 3x HS II 3x Trimarks 5x Hammerhead II I picked both of those setups up out of a fitting thread... but I never said the Harbinger didn't need 40-50 CPU (In fact, I've stated several times in several threads that it does need a smidgeon more CPU). Liang That's not 900 dps.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:27:00 - [52] Originally by: Kelevraen HAI GUYZ WUTS GOIN ON IN DIZ THREAD!? I thought I would say... Don't nerf moros drone dps :( Caldari are AWESOME Minmatar are AWESOME Gallente is AWESOME Amarr are AWESOME Kelevraen is AWESOME Any other ways I could hijack this thread? Seriously, what are you guys arguing about? Passive tanked drakes are broken. Passive tanking needs the nerfbat to the nuts. That's all i could think off... Um, I think that we all agree on that, but he insists that I don't know what I'm talking about because I said that he didn't know what he was talking about because he said that its perfectly fine that Drakes need 2-3 PG upgrades to fit an active tank because the Drakes PG is too. At least, I think so. It's hard to keep this guy and his alts separated .. but his "alt" does come across as a more reasonable fellow than this turd. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Mannheim Wolf Caldari Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:27:00 - [53] Hello there. I was the onyx on Sisi that LV and Id were referring to. I'll admit that the onyx can tank like a rock, but i know atleast the fit i had yesterday was lacking in a specific way, and once people figured it out, i went down under 3 Hacs (2 Ishtars, 1 Sacrilege) and a second onyx. However, it is still a beast of a tank. Now, normally I'd say this would be a bad thing. However, because it has crappy DPS, I think its a good balance. ~Wolf P.S. On sisi, my first onyx that was killed by two dreads tanked 512k damage, the second tanked 175k damage. --- Always outnumbered. Most likely outgunned. Never outsmarted. ~Wolf
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:29:00 - [54] Originally by: LordVodka Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: LordVodka you talk about fitting mods seriously try fitting heavy pulse II without reactors or pdu's or fitting rigs Harbinger 7x Heavy Pulse Laser II 10mn MWD II, Med Cap Booster II, Warp Disruptor II, Sensor Booster II 3x HS II, 2x N-Type Adaptive Nano, DCU II 3x Trimarks 5x Hammerhead II Harbinger 4x Heavy Pulse II, 3x FMP II 10mn MWD II, J5 Warp disruptor, X5 Web, Sm Cap Booster II 1600 RT, DCU II, EANM II, 3x HS II 3x Trimarks 5x Hammerhead II I picked both of those setups up out of a fitting thread... but I never said the Harbinger didn't need 40-50 CPU (In fact, I've stated several times in several threads that it does need a smidgeon more CPU). Liang That's not 900 dps. Hell, I never said it was 900 DPS, but do you see an RCU or PDU on there? noooo, I don't think so buddy! Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:29:00 - [55] Edited by: LordVodka on 25/11/2007 02:30:06 I agreed with you on that in like 4 posts, learn to read... I also see no chance of surviving.
Ariana Lizette	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:30:00 - [56] 2007.11.25 02:25 The scumsucker is located at RLL-9R IX - Intaki Space Police Assembly Plant station in the RLL-9R system of the QS-FVH constellation. With regards, Kauntora Itkaku.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:31:00 - [57] Originally by: Ariana Lizette 2007.11.25 02:25 The scumsucker is located at RLL-9R IX - Intaki Space Police Assembly Plant station in the RLL-9R system of the QS-FVH constellation. With regards, Kauntora Itkaku. Hell you could have asked, I'd have said to come play. ;-) Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Ararius EP0CH Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:41:00 - [58] In eft, I cant easily slap together a fully T2 (except for a cap booster) drake without using any PDUs. 7 HML II LSB II Electrochemical Cap Booster 2 Invuls EM and Thermal Hards 1 BCU Only 1 BCU because I dont have CPU for any more! It fits with AWU 4 with about 100 grid leftover. So boost Drake CPU! However fitting HAMs is quite harder with exactly the same fit, it goes about 60 grid or so over, but if you do fit a PDU, you can fit it. PDUs are great for all shield tanking ships, Passive or active. 5 Effects that aid you, Cap Amount and Cap Recharge both help with your cap, giving you more of a buffer untill you need to start boosting, or other cap related things. The Shield amount and recharge also give you a bigger buffer untill you need to start up your tank, and gives you longer time under fire. Lastly the Grid bonus just makes it all gravy. However that setup still lack the cpu/grid for a MWD. Drake has it's own niche, and it's quite good at it. But then you could always slap some overdrives in the lows, RSDs (before the nerf) and a mwd and point on it and go to town! (btw, this thread has been claimed by the Black Sun Cartel ) Im ugly, just look at my face!
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:42:00 - [59] Damn, who would have thought Ships and Modules could be almost as entertaining as CAOD? Anyway, despite the mudslinging (are we sure we're not in CAOD?) it appears that you're in agreement about the OP. That passive tanking is ez-mode, active tanking needs to be the preferred style of tank, and that ships which currently passive tank need to be looked at closely so they can fit a reasonable active tank. And really, LV and I aren't the same person. But you hang around someone long enough to tend to know how they think (and besides, there is e-honor involved!~). I don't really get quite indepth in my hate. I'm looking at Trinity with a fair amount of trepidation and the grass on the other side of the fence is looking greener. I'm seriously thinking of picking up Amarr because at least then I can't really worry about getting kicked in the nuts. IOI - Earned In Blood
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:50:00 - [60] Originally by: Idaeus Damn, who would have thought Ships and Modules could be almost as entertaining as CAOD? I dunno, after I got flamed for no apparent reason for the third time, I decided to go for the gold. ;-) Quote: Anyway, despite the mudslinging (are we sure we're not in CAOD?) it appears that you're in agreement about the OP. That passive tanking is ez-mode, active tanking needs to be the preferred style of tank, and that ships which currently passive tank need to be looked at closely so they can fit a reasonable active tank. Yeah, /signed. ;-) Quote: And really, LV and I aren't the same person. But you hang around someone long enough to tend to know how they think (and besides, there is e-honor involved!~). I don't really get quite indepth in my hate. Hehe, yeah, its pretty obvious tbh. Its just that he responds for you for no apparent reason, and then acts as if I insulted him for insulting you for ... bah, nevermind. ;-) Quote: I'm looking at Trinity with a fair amount of trepidation and the grass on the other side of the fence is looking greener. Yeah, I'm unhappy to be nerfed as hard as I am (because my ships are all being nerfed heh). Quote: I'm seriously thinking of picking up Amarr because at least then I can't really worry about getting kicked in the nuts. You aren't the only one TBH. I've been considering training for the Sac or Abso, but I'm sure the moment I did they'd be horribly nerfed. =/ Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:02:00 - [61] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/11/2007 03:01:49 Out of curiosity, did we just argue for 3 pages to say "yeah, we all agree on everything but want to sling some mud"? Liang Ed: 3 pages.. lol -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Ararius EP0CH Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:04:00 - [62] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/11/2007 03:01:49 Out of curiosity, did we just argue for 3 pages to say "yeah, we all agree on everything but want to sling some mud"? Liang Ed: 3 pages.. lol more like 1.5 pages, about half of the first page was random people, then it degraded to just you and bsc. . . . and this 3rd page is just flavor text now Im ugly, just look at my face!
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:12:00 - [63] This thread has flavor! IOI - Earned In Blood
Mannheim Wolf Caldari Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:14:00 - [64] I'd just like to point out something since we've been referring to the onyx as a super passive tank. When I was on Sisi yesterday, we fought an onyx with a reasonable active tank as well. So it can be done. Just in response to Id's little active tanks should be preferred thing. --- Always outnumbered. Most likely outgunned. Never outsmarted. ~Wolf
Ararius EP0CH Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:19:00 - [65] Originally by: Idaeus This thread has flavor! Im sure if we add Goons and stir with on medium heat, we could get something REALLY tasty ;P Im ugly, just look at my face!
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:22:00 - [66] omg drake is so overpowered: Myrmidon: Lows: Shield Power Relay II Mids: Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Highs: random arty or autocannon Rigs: Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Drones: 3 x Ogre II Deals 4-500 dps and tanks arround 940 dps (eft lvl V skills)
Ararius EP0CH Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:24:00 - [67] Originally by: d026 omg drake is so overpowered: Myrmidon: Lows: Shield Power Relay II Mids: Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Highs: random arty or autocannon Rigs: Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Drones: 3 x Ogre II Deals 4-500 dps and tanks arround 940 dps (eft lvl V skills) Dont you mean 2 Ogres, 2 Hammers and a Hob? Btw, your going to cap out running the invuls..... Im ugly, just look at my face!
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:25:00 - [68] Originally by: Ararius Btw, your going to cap out running the invuls..... after 12mins..
Bllizzard	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:33:00 - [69] The problem is passive shield tanking, the drake is obviously the most used example, but it isnt the only 1, far from it. I have 1 idea to solve the problem, maybe it is a completely stupid 1, but here it goes, decrease the ammount of hp on the currents lse, create a new module specific to bs size ships with the appropriate pg/cpu requirements, just dont create them in a way that u can have ""1000000 dps"" tanked ships with it.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:37:00 - [70] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/11/2007 03:37:24 Originally by: Bllizzard The problem is passive shield tanking, the drake is obviously the most used example, but it isnt the only 1, far from it. I have 1 idea to solve the problem, maybe it is a completely stupid 1, but here it goes, decrease the ammount of hp on the currents lse, create a new module specific to bs size ships with the appropriate pg/cpu requirements, just dont create them in a way that u can have ""1000000 dps"" tanked ships with it. TBH, there's really nothing wrong with LSE's having their current hp buffer. That would affect alot of ships, and most of them are single extender tanked. ;-) No, I think the best solution is to stacking nerf shield recharge. Liang Ed: Stacking nerf, not just nerf. ;-) -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:38:00 - [71] Originally by: Bllizzard The problem is passive shield tanking, the drake is obviously the most used example, but it isnt the only 1, far from it. I have 1 idea to solve the problem, maybe it is a completely stupid 1, but here it goes, decrease the ammount of hp on the currents lse, create a new module specific to bs size ships with the appropriate pg/cpu requirements, just dont create them in a way that u can have ""1000000 dps"" tanked ships with it. only if you give the drake a dps boost to compensate.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:39:00 - [72] Originally by: d026 Originally by: Bllizzard The problem is passive shield tanking, the drake is obviously the most used example, but it isnt the only 1, far from it. I have 1 idea to solve the problem, maybe it is a completely stupid 1, but here it goes, decrease the ammount of hp on the currents lse, create a new module specific to bs size ships with the appropriate pg/cpu requirements, just dont create them in a way that u can have ""1000000 dps"" tanked ships with it. only if you give the drake a dps boost to compensate. Mmmmm, ROF bonus (now that drones shield recharge is "fixed", ROF bonus really would be sexy). Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:41:00 - [73] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: d026 Originally by: Bllizzard The problem is passive shield tanking, the drake is obviously the most used example, but it isnt the only 1, far from it. I have 1 idea to solve the problem, maybe it is a completely stupid 1, but here it goes, decrease the ammount of hp on the currents lse, create a new module specific to bs size ships with the appropriate pg/cpu requirements, just dont create them in a way that u can have ""1000000 dps"" tanked ships with it. only if you give the drake a dps boost to compensate. Mmmmm, ROF bonus (now that drones shield recharge is "fixed", ROF bonus really would be sexy). Liang then i would buy my first drake i think:)
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:57:00 - [74] So I think everyone agrees with: Drake: +PG (so you can fit an active tank), -Kin bonus, +ROF bonus Then: Stack nerf shield recharge. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Bllizzard	Posted - 2007.11.25 04:15:00 - [75] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: d026 Originally by: Bllizzard The problem is passive shield tanking, the drake is obviously the most used example, but it isnt the only 1, far from it. I have 1 idea to solve the problem, maybe it is a completely stupid 1, but here it goes, decrease the ammount of hp on the currents lse, create a new module specific to bs size ships with the appropriate pg/cpu requirements, just dont create them in a way that u can have ""1000000 dps"" tanked ships with it. only if you give the drake a dps boost to compensate. Mmmmm, ROF bonus (now that drones shield recharge is "fixed", ROF bonus really would be sexy). Liang Yeah, I agree your idea is better, and yes give the drake a slight boost in dps, but not 2 much im still having nightmares with the new torps thing.... imagine 4 ravens vs 4 megas, place the ravens at "24km" from each other in circle formation and watch the megas cry has they have 2 fly "20km" bitween targets under "3600"dps. Now had a lanchesis to it and instead 24km u can go to full torp range. A situation pretty easy to create in a gatecamp by example. This might just be me over reacting, because i have specialized in the long gunnery skills and now i am afraid of seeing my worked nullified to nothing by missiles, but i would not like that to happen in bc's has well.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.25 04:18:00 - [76] Edited by: d026 on 25/11/2007 04:19:07 Originally by: Liang Nuren So I think everyone agrees with: Drake: +PG (so you can fit an active tank), -Kin bonus, +ROF bonus Then: Stack nerf shield recharge. Liang hmm with rof bonus and hams drake would theoretically be able to dish out arround 640 dps thats almost raven cruismissile like (670 dps w/ drones and all eft lvl V skills)
EvilD's EvilTwin	Posted - 2007.11.25 04:33:00 - [77] .....you guys know that the drake that tanks isn't the drake that has fairly good dps....and neither can keep the enemy ship there right? it's either one or the other and if you tackle you're gonna pop first just my opinion though >_>
L337hax0r Altposter	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:00:00 - [78] Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 25/11/2007 04:19:07 Originally by: Liang Nuren So I think everyone agrees with: Drake: +PG (so you can fit an active tank), -Kin bonus, +ROF bonus Then: Stack nerf shield recharge. Liang hmm with rof bonus and hams drake would theoretically be able to dish out arround 640 dps thats almost raven cruismissile like (670 dps w/ drones and all eft lvl V skills) That drake fit would have crap tank though, for the "1000 dps passive tanks" everyone keeps talking about, you need all of the drake's mid slots, and 2-3 low slots for tanking, which leaves only 1 or 2 slots for bcu's
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:10:00 - [79] Quote: hmm with rof bonus and hams drake would theoretically be able to dish out arround 640 dps thats almost raven cruismissile like (670 dps w/ drones and all eft lvl V skills) Drake does that right now, with HAMs and 3% implants, 674 DPS IIRC.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 18:03:00 - [80] Originally by: L337hax0r Altposter Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 25/11/2007 04:19:07 Originally by: Liang Nuren So I think everyone agrees with: Drake: +PG (so you can fit an active tank), -Kin bonus, +ROF bonus Then: Stack nerf shield recharge. Liang hmm with rof bonus and hams drake would theoretically be able to dish out arround 640 dps thats almost raven cruismissile like (670 dps w/ drones and all eft lvl V skills) That drake fit would have crap tank though, for the "1000 dps passive tanks" everyone keeps talking about, you need all of the drake's mid slots, and 2-3 low slots for tanking, which leaves only 1 or 2 slots for bcu's You know, just because it doesn't tank 1000 DPS doesn't make it a crap tank. The only reason you need to tank like that ANYWAY is because you have no mobility. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
J Valkor Blackguard Brigade Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:12:00 - [81] Change the NH's kin damage bonus to another ROF as well, then. 3.45 ROF ftw.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:25:00 - [82] This thread is an abortion.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:37:00 - [83] Originally by: Goumindong This thread is an abortion. Well, I aim to please. ;-) Out of curiosity, did you read it all? Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.26 04:40:00 - [84] Originally by: Liang Nuren So I think everyone agrees with: Drake: +PG (so you can fit an active tank), -Kin bonus, +ROF bonus Then: Stack nerf shield recharge. Liang PG is one thing but the kinetic bonus should stay.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.26 04:41:00 - [85] Originally by: LordVodka Originally by: Liang Nuren So I think everyone agrees with: Drake: +PG (so you can fit an active tank), -Kin bonus, +ROF bonus Then: Stack nerf shield recharge. Liang PG is one thing but the kinetic bonus should stay. I guess I get an inch and ask for a mile, eh? It's fair enough TBH. The PG bonus is what's actually needed. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?

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