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Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:02:00 - [61] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/11/2007 03:01:49 Out of curiosity, did we just argue for 3 pages to say "yeah, we all agree on everything but want to sling some mud"? Liang Ed: 3 pages.. lol -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Ararius EP0CH Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:04:00 - [62] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/11/2007 03:01:49 Out of curiosity, did we just argue for 3 pages to say "yeah, we all agree on everything but want to sling some mud"? Liang Ed: 3 pages.. lol more like 1.5 pages, about half of the first page was random people, then it degraded to just you and bsc. . . . and this 3rd page is just flavor text now Im ugly, just look at my face!
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:12:00 - [63] This thread has flavor! IOI - Earned In Blood
Mannheim Wolf Caldari Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:14:00 - [64] I'd just like to point out something since we've been referring to the onyx as a super passive tank. When I was on Sisi yesterday, we fought an onyx with a reasonable active tank as well. So it can be done. Just in response to Id's little active tanks should be preferred thing. --- Always outnumbered. Most likely outgunned. Never outsmarted. ~Wolf
Ararius EP0CH Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:19:00 - [65] Originally by: Idaeus This thread has flavor! Im sure if we add Goons and stir with on medium heat, we could get something REALLY tasty ;P Im ugly, just look at my face!
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:22:00 - [66] omg drake is so overpowered: Myrmidon: Lows: Shield Power Relay II Mids: Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Highs: random arty or autocannon Rigs: Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Drones: 3 x Ogre II Deals 4-500 dps and tanks arround 940 dps (eft lvl V skills)
Ararius EP0CH Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:24:00 - [67] Originally by: d026 omg drake is so overpowered: Myrmidon: Lows: Shield Power Relay II Mids: Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Highs: random arty or autocannon Rigs: Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Drones: 3 x Ogre II Deals 4-500 dps and tanks arround 940 dps (eft lvl V skills) Dont you mean 2 Ogres, 2 Hammers and a Hob? Btw, your going to cap out running the invuls..... Im ugly, just look at my face!
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:25:00 - [68] Originally by: Ararius Btw, your going to cap out running the invuls..... after 12mins..
Bllizzard	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:33:00 - [69] The problem is passive shield tanking, the drake is obviously the most used example, but it isnt the only 1, far from it. I have 1 idea to solve the problem, maybe it is a completely stupid 1, but here it goes, decrease the ammount of hp on the currents lse, create a new module specific to bs size ships with the appropriate pg/cpu requirements, just dont create them in a way that u can have ""1000000 dps"" tanked ships with it.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:37:00 - [70] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/11/2007 03:37:24 Originally by: Bllizzard The problem is passive shield tanking, the drake is obviously the most used example, but it isnt the only 1, far from it. I have 1 idea to solve the problem, maybe it is a completely stupid 1, but here it goes, decrease the ammount of hp on the currents lse, create a new module specific to bs size ships with the appropriate pg/cpu requirements, just dont create them in a way that u can have ""1000000 dps"" tanked ships with it. TBH, there's really nothing wrong with LSE's having their current hp buffer. That would affect alot of ships, and most of them are single extender tanked. ;-) No, I think the best solution is to stacking nerf shield recharge. Liang Ed: Stacking nerf, not just nerf. ;-) -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:38:00 - [71] Originally by: Bllizzard The problem is passive shield tanking, the drake is obviously the most used example, but it isnt the only 1, far from it. I have 1 idea to solve the problem, maybe it is a completely stupid 1, but here it goes, decrease the ammount of hp on the currents lse, create a new module specific to bs size ships with the appropriate pg/cpu requirements, just dont create them in a way that u can have ""1000000 dps"" tanked ships with it. only if you give the drake a dps boost to compensate.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:39:00 - [72] Originally by: d026 Originally by: Bllizzard The problem is passive shield tanking, the drake is obviously the most used example, but it isnt the only 1, far from it. I have 1 idea to solve the problem, maybe it is a completely stupid 1, but here it goes, decrease the ammount of hp on the currents lse, create a new module specific to bs size ships with the appropriate pg/cpu requirements, just dont create them in a way that u can have ""1000000 dps"" tanked ships with it. only if you give the drake a dps boost to compensate. Mmmmm, ROF bonus (now that drones shield recharge is "fixed", ROF bonus really would be sexy). Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:41:00 - [73] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: d026 Originally by: Bllizzard The problem is passive shield tanking, the drake is obviously the most used example, but it isnt the only 1, far from it. I have 1 idea to solve the problem, maybe it is a completely stupid 1, but here it goes, decrease the ammount of hp on the currents lse, create a new module specific to bs size ships with the appropriate pg/cpu requirements, just dont create them in a way that u can have ""1000000 dps"" tanked ships with it. only if you give the drake a dps boost to compensate. Mmmmm, ROF bonus (now that drones shield recharge is "fixed", ROF bonus really would be sexy). Liang then i would buy my first drake i think:)
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:57:00 - [74] So I think everyone agrees with: Drake: +PG (so you can fit an active tank), -Kin bonus, +ROF bonus Then: Stack nerf shield recharge. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Bllizzard	Posted - 2007.11.25 04:15:00 - [75] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: d026 Originally by: Bllizzard The problem is passive shield tanking, the drake is obviously the most used example, but it isnt the only 1, far from it. I have 1 idea to solve the problem, maybe it is a completely stupid 1, but here it goes, decrease the ammount of hp on the currents lse, create a new module specific to bs size ships with the appropriate pg/cpu requirements, just dont create them in a way that u can have ""1000000 dps"" tanked ships with it. only if you give the drake a dps boost to compensate. Mmmmm, ROF bonus (now that drones shield recharge is "fixed", ROF bonus really would be sexy). Liang Yeah, I agree your idea is better, and yes give the drake a slight boost in dps, but not 2 much im still having nightmares with the new torps thing.... imagine 4 ravens vs 4 megas, place the ravens at "24km" from each other in circle formation and watch the megas cry has they have 2 fly "20km" bitween targets under "3600"dps. Now had a lanchesis to it and instead 24km u can go to full torp range. A situation pretty easy to create in a gatecamp by example. This might just be me over reacting, because i have specialized in the long gunnery skills and now i am afraid of seeing my worked nullified to nothing by missiles, but i would not like that to happen in bc's has well.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.25 04:18:00 - [76] Edited by: d026 on 25/11/2007 04:19:07 Originally by: Liang Nuren So I think everyone agrees with: Drake: +PG (so you can fit an active tank), -Kin bonus, +ROF bonus Then: Stack nerf shield recharge. Liang hmm with rof bonus and hams drake would theoretically be able to dish out arround 640 dps thats almost raven cruismissile like (670 dps w/ drones and all eft lvl V skills)
EvilD's EvilTwin	Posted - 2007.11.25 04:33:00 - [77] .....you guys know that the drake that tanks isn't the drake that has fairly good dps....and neither can keep the enemy ship there right? it's either one or the other and if you tackle you're gonna pop first just my opinion though >_>
L337hax0r Altposter	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:00:00 - [78] Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 25/11/2007 04:19:07 Originally by: Liang Nuren So I think everyone agrees with: Drake: +PG (so you can fit an active tank), -Kin bonus, +ROF bonus Then: Stack nerf shield recharge. Liang hmm with rof bonus and hams drake would theoretically be able to dish out arround 640 dps thats almost raven cruismissile like (670 dps w/ drones and all eft lvl V skills) That drake fit would have crap tank though, for the "1000 dps passive tanks" everyone keeps talking about, you need all of the drake's mid slots, and 2-3 low slots for tanking, which leaves only 1 or 2 slots for bcu's
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:10:00 - [79] Quote: hmm with rof bonus and hams drake would theoretically be able to dish out arround 640 dps thats almost raven cruismissile like (670 dps w/ drones and all eft lvl V skills) Drake does that right now, with HAMs and 3% implants, 674 DPS IIRC.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 18:03:00 - [80] Originally by: L337hax0r Altposter Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 25/11/2007 04:19:07 Originally by: Liang Nuren So I think everyone agrees with: Drake: +PG (so you can fit an active tank), -Kin bonus, +ROF bonus Then: Stack nerf shield recharge. Liang hmm with rof bonus and hams drake would theoretically be able to dish out arround 640 dps thats almost raven cruismissile like (670 dps w/ drones and all eft lvl V skills) That drake fit would have crap tank though, for the "1000 dps passive tanks" everyone keeps talking about, you need all of the drake's mid slots, and 2-3 low slots for tanking, which leaves only 1 or 2 slots for bcu's You know, just because it doesn't tank 1000 DPS doesn't make it a crap tank. The only reason you need to tank like that ANYWAY is because you have no mobility. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
J Valkor Blackguard Brigade Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:12:00 - [81] Change the NH's kin damage bonus to another ROF as well, then. 3.45 ROF ftw.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:25:00 - [82] This thread is an abortion.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:37:00 - [83] Originally by: Goumindong This thread is an abortion. Well, I aim to please. ;-) Out of curiosity, did you read it all? Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
LordVodka Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.26 04:40:00 - [84] Originally by: Liang Nuren So I think everyone agrees with: Drake: +PG (so you can fit an active tank), -Kin bonus, +ROF bonus Then: Stack nerf shield recharge. Liang PG is one thing but the kinetic bonus should stay.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.26 04:41:00 - [85] Originally by: LordVodka Originally by: Liang Nuren So I think everyone agrees with: Drake: +PG (so you can fit an active tank), -Kin bonus, +ROF bonus Then: Stack nerf shield recharge. Liang PG is one thing but the kinetic bonus should stay. I guess I get an inch and ask for a mile, eh? It's fair enough TBH. The PG bonus is what's actually needed. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?

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