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Sameyaa
D00M. Northern Coalition.
15
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:54:00 -
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Anyone else getting tired of this constant moaning and b****ing about "waaaa titan killed me... waaa nerf titan.. waaaa i should be able to kill titan... waaa OP tracking... waaaa i dont care if they spent 2 years and 100bil buying the ship and have dedicated character. My drake should be able to kill titan waaaa... waaa... waaa... My alliance blobs with 800 maels but dosent field any caps and still expects to be able to own titans.. waaa...
Let me tell you something, its NOT the 'OP' tracking of titans. Its 50 titans shooting at you. You can make a blob of ANYTHING, if you bring enough of it you will win.
Anyone ever wonder why NCDOT and PL have some of the biggest cap fleets in game? BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY USE THEM. Now, lets assume that you have a titan (impossible i know). Now, lets say you were in an alliance that only fights with subcaps and never has the balls to field their caps. Would you not join an alliance that fields them instead?
Also, before you give me the arguement about "they have balls to field them only cause they got like 50 titans". No you are wrong. I know for a fact that when ncdot started off they only had a handfull of titans. Its the FC's that had the balls to field them and create a reputation for the alliance that made others with supers/titans join. Sometimes you welp a whole super fleet, but thats the risk you take. Also, having a program that builds free titans/supers for members might help instead of RMTing the tech isk.
So, everyone who moans about ncdot/pl having a monopoly with titans can blame your own alliance FCs/leaders. Maybe if other major alliances had the balls to field their own caps.. MAYBE... all your cap pilots wouldn't have left your alliance to join ncdot/pl. |

Themick Mccoy
23
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:57:00 -
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As a pubbie who has never seen one, yes it gets annoying. Reminds me there is something I haven't tried to suicide myself into yet...
I'm training my dic up though!!! :D I'm a noob! If you catch me ingame, don't bother with a ransom, I ain't paying! I'm still learning the pvpies, plus, I'm a Jew. |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
388
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Posted - 2012.01.31 18:06:00 -
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this was a good post, well done.  |

low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
1
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Posted - 2012.01.31 18:14:00 -
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+ 1 like for truth RMT needs a nerf! |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
5
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Posted - 2012.01.31 18:14:00 -
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Sameyaa wrote:Anyone else getting tired of this constant moaning and b****ing about "waaaa titan killed me... waaa nerf titan.. waaaa i should be able to kill titan... waaa OP tracking... waaaa i dont care if they spent 2 years and 100bil buying the ship and have dedicated character. My drake should be able to kill titan waaaa... waaa... waaa... My alliance blobs with 800 maels but dosent field any caps and still expects to be able to own titans.. waaa...
Let me tell you something, its NOT the 'OP' tracking of titans. Its 50 titans shooting at you. You can make a blob of ANYTHING, if you bring enough of it you will win.
Anyone ever wonder why NCDOT and PL have some of the biggest cap fleets in game? BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY USE THEM. Now, lets assume that you have a titan (impossible i know). Now, lets say you were in an alliance that only fights with subcaps and never has the balls to field their caps. Would you not join an alliance that fields them instead?
Also, before you give me the arguement about "they have balls to field them only cause they got like 50 titans". No you are wrong. I know for a fact that when ncdot started off they only had a handfull of titans. Its the FC's that had the balls to field them and create a reputation for the alliance that made others with supers/titans join. Sometimes you welp a whole super fleet, but thats the risk you take. Also, having a program that builds free titans/supers for members might help instead of RMTing the tech isk.
So, everyone who moans about ncdot/pl having a monopoly with titans can blame your own alliance FCs/leaders. Maybe if other major alliances had the balls to field their own caps.. MAYBE... all your cap pilots wouldn't have left your alliance to join ncdot/pl.
+1 for summing everything up - I still don't know why the cry babies complain about supers/titans even though they know their CEOs and Directors RMTed all their Alliance isk making it impossible to buy nice things LOL |

Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1029
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:02:00 -
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Those 800 Maels cost well over 160 billion, so by your logic, they SHOULD own your titan. Thank you for proving our point, death2alltitans. |

low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
6
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:09:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Those 800 Maels cost well over 160 billion, so by your logic, they SHOULD own your titan. Thank you for proving our point, death2alltitans.
they would if you knew how to fly them  |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
8
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:10:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Those 800 Maels cost well over 160 billion, so by your logic, they SHOULD own your titan. Thank you for proving our point, death2alltitans.
So all 800 of those ships don't even cost enough to equal what 2 titans cost - I think you are missing the point. People who expect to just be able to kill a 100 bil isk ship with a Drake or Maelstrom and no capital support are out of their mind. When NC./PL brings out more than 50x the isk in ships on the field who do you think is gunna win?  |

Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1029
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:22:00 -
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de4deye wrote:Feligast wrote:Those 800 Maels cost well over 160 billion, so by your logic, they SHOULD own your titan. Thank you for proving our point, death2alltitans. So all 800 of those ships don't even cost enough to equal what 2 titans cost - I think you are missing the point. People who expect to just be able to kill a 100 bil isk ship with a Drake or Maelstrom and no capital support are out of their mind. When NC./PL brings out more than 50x the isk in ships on the field who do you think is gunna win? 
Yes, because isk value is absolutely the best way to determine who should win. Why have weapons? |

low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
6
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:26:00 -
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Feligast wrote:de4deye wrote:Feligast wrote:Those 800 Maels cost well over 160 billion, so by your logic, they SHOULD own your titan. Thank you for proving our point, death2alltitans. So all 800 of those ships don't even cost enough to equal what 2 titans cost - I think you are missing the point. People who expect to just be able to kill a 100 bil isk ship with a Drake or Maelstrom and no capital support are out of their mind. When NC./PL brings out more than 50x the isk in ships on the field who do you think is gunna win?  Yes, because isk value is absolutely the best way to determine who should win. Why have weapons?
So I suppose blobbing 800 people in a system is a good way to determine that then? Nothing left to tactics and different ship types? |

Sameyaa
D00M. Northern Coalition.
18
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:33:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Those 800 Maels cost well over 160 billion, so by your logic, they SHOULD own your titan. Thank you for proving our point, death2alltitans.
Feligast wrote:Yes, because isk value is absolutely the best way to determine who should win. Why have weapons?
See what i did there? |

Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1029
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:38:00 -
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I see irony is something else you ~~don't get~~
Oh, and in before the lock for crossposting. Nice alt in GD. |

Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1029
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:40:00 -
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low26 wrote:Feligast wrote:de4deye wrote:Feligast wrote:Those 800 Maels cost well over 160 billion, so by your logic, they SHOULD own your titan. Thank you for proving our point, death2alltitans. So all 800 of those ships don't even cost enough to equal what 2 titans cost - I think you are missing the point. People who expect to just be able to kill a 100 bil isk ship with a Drake or Maelstrom and no capital support are out of their mind. When NC./PL brings out more than 50x the isk in ships on the field who do you think is gunna win?  Yes, because isk value is absolutely the best way to determine who should win. Why have weapons? So I suppose blobbing 800 people in a system is a good way to determine that then? Nothing left to tactics and different ship types?
50 titans is "tactics" now?
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Sameyaa
D00M. Northern Coalition.
18
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:43:00 -
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When did i talk about tactics? |

Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1029
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:46:00 -
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Sameyaa wrote:When did i talk about tactics?
Did I quote you when I said that? Do I have to teach you how to read now? |

Sameyaa
D00M. Northern Coalition.
18
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:50:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Sameyaa wrote:When did i talk about tactics? Did I quote you when I said that? Do I have to teach you how to read now?
You are not very bright are you? Please go ahead and quote ME where i supposedly talked about 'tactics'. If you are going to troll then you still need to be somewhat intelligent. |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
9
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:58:00 -
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Sameyaa wrote:Feligast wrote:Sameyaa wrote:When did i talk about tactics? Did I quote you when I said that? Do I have to teach you how to read now? You are not very bright are you? Please go ahead and quote ME where i supposedly talked about 'tactics'. If you are going to troll then you still need to be somewhat intelligent.
You can't fix stupid  |

Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1029
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:08:00 -
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Sameyaa wrote:Feligast wrote:Sameyaa wrote:When did i talk about tactics? Did I quote you when I said that? Do I have to teach you how to read now? You are not very bright are you? Please go ahead and quote ME where i supposedly talked about 'tactics'. If you are going to troll then you still need to be somewhat intelligent.
When did I say you did talk about tactics? Why you so ~mad~, bro? |

Sameyaa
D00M. Northern Coalition.
20
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:11:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Sameyaa wrote:Feligast wrote:Sameyaa wrote:When did i talk about tactics? Did I quote you when I said that? Do I have to teach you how to read now? You are not very bright are you? Please go ahead and quote ME where i supposedly talked about 'tactics'. If you are going to troll then you still need to be somewhat intelligent. When did I say you did talk about tactics? Why you so ~mad~, bro?
Lol |

Temmu Guerra
Sickle Moon Intrepid Crossing
18
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:17:00 -
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Very well said. +1 for you good sir |

Fighter26
Orion's Fist RED.Legion
9
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:08:00 -
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Pretty much OP is right. Titans fit for tracking are woefully lacking effective hitpoints for such a expensive and difficult to make ship, with that risk comes the reward of killing things that are smallish. I should point out to those who cry about the half fits (like two tcs and a te) being to powerful don't bother to point out those require a support fleet of recons/t3s to play tackle and slow targets down enough to do real damage. CCP would like to see supers in the heart of fleets, why break that role?
Still, with so many **** one has to wonder if things are unfair for newcoming spaceholders- but even then what are you going to do? The 0.0 alliances have invested their entire future in their super fleets, should they not be rewarded for their hard work? |

Temmu Guerra
Sickle Moon Intrepid Crossing
19
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:14:00 -
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I am not going to sit here and spew my ideas of how to balance it because my ideas are probably crap just like all the others. From my point of view the problem is that all the supers are concentrated in a few alliances instead of being distributed like ccp originally anticipated (by my guess).
However its what the OP said which is the reason. Super pilots are going to join an alliance that fields them. Same thing goes for pilots with subcaps and alliances. Just no one notices that ALL alliances need subcaps. Not all alliances need the super. To be honest the problem doesnt lay with ships themselves but how they are deployed. However that is a conversation for another thread. |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
11
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:25:00 -
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Temmu Guerra wrote:I am not going to sit here and spew my ideas of how to balance it because my ideas are probably crap just like all the others. From my point of view the problem is that all the supers are concentrated in a few alliances instead of being distributed like ccp originally anticipated (by my guess).
However its what the OP said which is the reason. Super pilots are going to join an alliance that fields them. Same thing goes for pilots with subcaps and alliances. Just no one notices that ALL alliances need subcaps. Not all alliances need the super. To be honest the problem doesnt lay with ships themselves but how they are deployed. However that is a conversation for another thread.
It's not that other alliance cannot get the supers, It's that they can't keep their money grubbing hands off the isk long enough to buy anything. They'd rather have isk for themselves than give anything to the alliance. This is why so many alliances are fail. |

ScheenK
Constantine.
16
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:39:00 -
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Sameyaa wrote:Feligast wrote:Those 800 Maels cost well over 160 billion, so by your logic, they SHOULD own your titan. Thank you for proving our point, death2alltitans. Feligast wrote:Yes, because isk value is absolutely the best way to determine who should win. Why have weapons? See what i did there?
owned, goonie is re-tarded
and i agree with said thread
eeeee |

Jalmari Huitsikko
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
23
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:44:00 -
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eve should be like good old archspace
EVERYONE BUILD BIGGEST SHIP WITH BIGGEST GUNS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE AND FIT CLOAKS ON THEM THEN GO INSTA EVERYTHING UNTIL IT COMES TO THAT THE FASTEST ONE TO CLICK ALPHA EVERYTHING BUTTON WILL WIN.
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Temmu Guerra
Sickle Moon Intrepid Crossing
19
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:01:00 -
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de4deye wrote: It's not that other alliance cannot get the supers, It's that they can't keep their money grubbing hands off the isk long enough to buy anything. They'd rather have isk for themselves than give anything to the alliance. This is why so many alliances are fail.
I was referring to pilots that already have gotten the supers and are looking to join an alliance that wields them. But I agree that most alliances are very selfish and all that fun stuff |

Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:09:00 -
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Titans don't die enough - if you wreck a fleet of battleships it should come at the cost of one or two titans. Only dying if the titan pilot screws up or gets DC'ed isn't good enough, no ships should be nearly invulnerable in a blob. |

Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
370
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:19:00 -
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itt people don't know that 50 titans are impossible to match in subcaps without fielding more people than eve can handle
you guys know that a blob of titans literally does not die right |

Sameyaa
D00M. Northern Coalition.
38
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:46:00 -
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Killstealing wrote:itt people don't know that 50 titans are impossible to match in subcaps without fielding more people than eve can handle
you guys know that a blob of titans literally does not die right
That is why you bring your own caps along with your subcaps. I can gaurentee you that goons have as much supers/titans as ncdot/pl do. Difference is that they never put them to use. If goons actually field 800 maels like they do AND bring their cap fleet they could easily win. |

ScheenK
Constantine.
19
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:50:00 -
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there are no goons |
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