Anyone else getting tired of this constant moaning and b****ing about "waaaa titan killed me... waaa nerf titan.. waaaa i should be able to kill titan... waaa OP tracking... waaaa i dont care if they spent 2 years and 100bil buying the ship and have dedicated character. My drake should be able to kill titan waaaa... waaa... waaa... My alliance blobs with 800 maels but dosent field any caps and still expects to be able to own titans.. waaa...

Let me tell you something, its NOT the 'OP' tracking of titans. Its 50 titans shooting at you. You can make a blob of ANYTHING, if you bring enough of it you will win.

Anyone ever wonder why NCDOT and PL have some of the biggest cap fleets in game? BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY USE THEM. Now, lets assume that you have a titan (impossible i know). Now, lets say you were in an alliance that only fights with subcaps and never has the balls to field their caps. Would you not join an alliance that fields them instead?

Also, before you give me the arguement about "they have balls to field them only cause they got like 50 titans". No you are wrong. I know for a fact that when ncdot started off they only had a handfull of titans. Its the FC's that had the balls to field them and create a reputation for the alliance that made others with supers/titans join. Sometimes you welp a whole super fleet, but thats the risk you take. Also, having a program that builds free titans/supers for members might help instead of RMTing the tech isk.

So, everyone who moans about ncdot/pl having a monopoly with titans can blame your own alliance FCs/leaders. Maybe if other major alliances had the balls to field their own caps.. MAYBE... all your cap pilots wouldn't have left your alliance to join ncdot/pl.

Those 800 Maels cost well over 160 billion, so by your logic, they SHOULD own your titan. Thank you for proving our point, death2alltitans.

Those 800 Maels cost well over 160 billion, so by your logic, they SHOULD own your titan. Thank you for proving our point, death2alltitans.

So all 800 of those ships don't even cost enough to equal what 2 titans cost - I think you are missing the point. People who expect to just be able to kill a 100 bil isk ship with a Drake or Maelstrom and no capital support are out of their mind. When NC./PL brings out more than 50x the isk in ships on the field who do you think is gunna win?

Yes, because isk value is absolutely the best way to determine who should win. Why have weapons?

Those 800 Maels cost well over 160 billion, so by your logic, they SHOULD own your titan. Thank you for proving our point, death2alltitans.

Yes, because isk value is absolutely the best way to determine who should win. Why have weapons?

So I suppose blobbing 800 people in a system is a good way to determine that then? Nothing left to tactics and different ship types?

When did i talk about tactics?

Did I quote you when I said that? Do I have to teach you how to read now?

You are not very bright are you? Please go ahead and quote ME where i supposedly talked about 'tactics'. If you are going to troll then you still need to be somewhat intelligent.

You are not very bright are you? Please go ahead and quote ME where i supposedly talked about 'tactics'. If you are going to troll then you still need to be somewhat intelligent.

When did I say you did talk about tactics? Why you so ~mad~, bro?

I am not going to sit here and spew my ideas of how to balance it because my ideas are probably crap just like all the others. From my point of view the problem is that all the supers are concentrated in a few alliances instead of being distributed like ccp originally anticipated (by my guess).

However its what the OP said which is the reason. Super pilots are going to join an alliance that fields them. Same thing goes for pilots with subcaps and alliances. Just no one notices that ALL alliances need subcaps. Not all alliances need the super.
To be honest the problem doesnt lay with ships themselves but how they are deployed. However that is a conversation for another thread.

See what i did there?

It's not that other alliance cannot get the supers, It's that they can't keep their money grubbing hands off the isk long enough to buy anything. They'd rather have isk for themselves than give anything to the alliance. This is why so many alliances are fail.

itt people don't know that 50 titans are impossible to match in subcaps without fielding more people than eve can handle

you guys know that a blob of titans literally does not die right

That is why you bring your own caps along with your subcaps. I can gaurentee you that goons have as much supers/titans as ncdot/pl do. Difference is that they never put them to use. If goons actually field 800 maels like they do AND bring their cap fleet they could easily win.

We don't deploy supers because all the elite pvp supercap alliances up here are blue and together vastly outnumber our fleet. Only need a sniff of goon supers to have the whole north alight with cynos scrambling for a counter drop. It's easy to swing your balls around when you can use supers with impunity.

Sounds like a personal problem. lol.

But all joking aside - So, you would like ccp to nerf titans then so you can defeat them WITHOUT using your own caps (which is what they are designed for in the first place) ?

Nerfing so they can blap several fleets but lose a couple of guys in the process would be fine. Or making it so subcaps couldn't touch supers and vice versa would also do. But day-to-day 50 guys shouldn't decide a battle that involves hundreds or thousands, that's just bad design and unfun.

Nerfing so they can blap several fleets but lose a couple of guys in the process would be fine.

But do you realize how vulnerable titans are already in these 'blap' fits they use to get aditional tracking to fight subcaps?

- An erebus for example will have at most 30mil ehp in a blap fit.
- I know that goons for example are capable of fielding 3 full fleets of maels. Lets say, thats 750maels with 850 dps and 10k volley each.
- That would be a combined 637500 dps and 7.5MIL alpha every 17 seconds.
- That would also be as much dps as 90 avatars FYI
- Erebus will die in 4 volleys, or 4x17 = 68 seconds (1 min)
- That much dps will require reps from 386 capital reps to keep it alive (assuming 80% resist with blap fit).
- Now, lets say we field on average 50 carriers along with titans. Each carrier would require more than 7 reps permarunning to keep erebus alive, which is not possible.

So your wish that

Is already possible

Gas Thread, Ban OP.

I'm not a Titan pilot, and never plan to be one- the obvious problem with Titans is literally the only counter to them is to have more Titans. You can talk all day about how vulnerable blap-titans are and how easily they are destroyed but factor in that most people that employ this bullshit do it from the relative safety of being inside POS shields, even with thier awkward ship agility, its simply not feasible to kill something that can be untargetable at will.

only counter to them is to have more Titans

Is a poorly thought off and overused arguement, that makes absolutely no sense. I can also say that only counter to maels is more maels. Only counter to a tengu fleet is more tengus etc etc.

I simply meant that the only counter to titan spam, that the cluster can currently handle, even with TiDi is with more titans.

Maels are countered by TenguFleet.
TenguFleet is countered by AHACs.

Etc, etc. almost every other fleet doctrine has a counter that involves other ships. Sure numbers will win regardless of skill level, but saying that there is a subcap/cap titan counter without an equal/greater number of titans is just absurd, or the hostiles are suffering from soul crushing lag (which seldom happens anymore).

To be honest, the "I got a titan and you don't, so I don't want them nerfed hurf blurf" argument is just as poorly though of and overused.

That is why you bring your own caps along with your subcaps. I can gaurentee you that goons have as much supers/titans as ncdot/pl do. Difference is that they never put them to use. If goons actually field 800 maels like they do AND bring their cap fleet they could easily win.

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I simply meant that the only counter to titan spam, that the cluster can currently handle, even with TiDi is with more titans.

Maels are countered by TenguFleet.

TenguFleet is countered by AHACs.

Etc, etc. almost every other fleet doctrine has a counter that involves other ships. Sure numbers will win regardless of skill level, but saying that there is a subcap/cap titan counter without an equal/greater number of titans is just absurd,

lmao 9 months in tri mk. whatever and the titan blob is like the best friend you never had

joiners are hilarious!

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Has nothing to contribute to arguement, so resorts to personal attacks. Typical mindless troll..

you guys realize supercaps don't need to solely passive tank and never use any RR right

you can't blap them to death, they rep too much for that. You'd need enough maels to volley one of them and that's not going to happen without crashing the node.

The problem with Titans, and Supercarriers to a certain degree, is that they have a very poorly defined purpose. It is difficult to balance a ship when it's unclear what it is even remotely designed to do. Titans at the moment are extremely versatile, excelling at killing battleship fleets, capitals, supercapitals, and providing power projection through titan bridges and amazing gang bonuses, and the sheer logistical capacity a titan gives is astounding. Even if Titans were unusable for combat, they would still be built, and used for their other purposes.

Of course, if Titans are useless in combat, that is removing a ship that can be used and lowering the dynamic, etc, and so is an incredibly ******** idea. So, Titans require a more defined combat role. If you want them to destroy battleship fleets, then they need to become more vulnerable to other capitals and have the Doomsday device either removed or changed once more. If you want them to remain excellent at killing Capitals, then you need to make them more vulnerable to subcaps, and lower their tracking so as to make subcaps more of a threat to them.