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Saraya Velcrow
Exo corporation
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:53:00 -
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according to this dutch news article click here
Stealing virtual items in games is considered By the dutch supreme court real theft and thus a criminal act punishable by law.
What does CCP think about this i guess a countries supreme court overrules TOS from ccp ??
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:54:00 -
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In before move to OOPE |
Jaari Val'Dara
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:57:00 -
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Translator isn't working very well, so I'm not sure if it's correct, but as I understand the theft was done via means outside of the game. So it's rather different than the thefts in EVE. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1374
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:02:00 -
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I'm sure CCP will take advantage of this to send out claims of theft of THEIR property.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:06:00 -
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as in game stealing, i.e. legitimate pickpocket, marauder, robbery, unfair trade.
Or stealing through malicious soft, hacking, hijacking, scams and unethical practices, such as intimidation and house infiltration. Out of game.
Which is it about? |
Jita Alt666
876
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:10:00 -
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Opertone wrote:as in game stealing, i.e. legitimate pickpocket, marauder, robbery, unfair trade.
Or stealing through malicious soft, hacking, hijacking, scams and unethical practices, such as intimidation and house infiltration. Out of game.
Which is it about?
The second. They held a 13 year old kid down and beat him till he agreed to log into the game and transfer his stuff over.
OP needs to learn about context. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4729
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:12:00 -
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Opertone wrote:as in game stealing, i.e. legitimate pickpocket, marauder, robbery, unfair trade.
Or stealing through malicious soft, hacking, hijacking, scams and unethical practices, such as intimidation and house infiltration. Out of game.
Which is it about?
The latter. It was basically a real-world robbery where the thing coerced from the victim just happened to be a virtual item rather than something from the kid's wallet.
Can't say that I'm familiar with the Dutch legal system, but I am having a hard time seeing it extend to losses due to what a game defines as legal gameplay. It would be a bit like prosecuting people for murder when they shoot each other in the face in [generic multiplayer fps]. vOv
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Dowla Daupor
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:12:00 -
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Opertone wrote:as in game stealing, i.e. legitimate pickpocket, marauder, robbery, unfair trade.
Or stealing through malicious soft, hacking, hijacking, scams and unethical practices, such as intimidation and house infiltration. Out of game.
Which is it about?
I would guess the latter, though we could possibly use this against CCP because it presumes virtual items we bought are our property. So the next step is pooling our resources, forming a credit union and pushing CCP out, then selling EVE for profit. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3040
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:15:00 -
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good luck flying lawers to duschland.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Whack-A-Mole
59
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:18:00 -
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Ive been waiting for something like this to start happening and setting precedence in legal matters. What intrigues me is that Eve is built on piracy and theft in terms of its motto and playstyle which is very different to what 1st world nations and legalism uses on a daily basis. So the legal wrangling issues stemming from this game will be truly unique.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
552
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:18:00 -
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Saraya Velcrow wrote:according to this dutch news article click hereStealing virtual items in games is considered By the dutch supreme court real theft and thus a criminal act punishable by law. What does CCP think about this i guess a countries supreme court overrules TOS from ccp ??
This only applies to theft outside of the game.
IE, if you hacked in order to steal the items.
Stealing via intended game mechanics is still perfectly legal... |
Richard Kyanka
Something More Awful
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:19:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:good luck flying lawers to duschland.
I know a few virtual lawyers. Any help? |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
275
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:20:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Opertone wrote:as in game stealing, i.e. legitimate pickpocket, marauder, robbery, unfair trade.
Or stealing through malicious soft, hacking, hijacking, scams and unethical practices, such as intimidation and house infiltration. Out of game.
Which is it about? The second. They held a 13 year old kid down and beat him till he agreed to log into the game and transfer his stuff over. OP needs to learn about context.
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If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1030
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:24:00 -
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Richard Kyanka wrote:Nova Fox wrote:good luck flying lawers to duschland. I know a few virtual lawyers. Any help?
What do you mean? This thread will soon be full of em. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
87
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:27:00 -
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Jaari Val'Dara wrote:Translator isn't working very well, so I'm not sure if it's correct, but as I understand the theft was done via means outside of the game. So it's rather different than the thefts in EVE. You're correct. The ruling was about two boys using physical violence IRL to force a third boy to log into Runescape and hand over some Items to them in-game.
As for EvE, I don't believe CCP would condone using RL violence to force other players to hand over their goods in the EvE universe. SUSPENSION AND BAN POLICYsection 3: Harassment.
The way thievery is made possible in this game, as a choice a player can make, is good. Using RL violence to get in-game items is not.
In my book, the Dutch supreme court had it right .
This time......
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Spacing Cowboy
Ordo Drakonis
Nulli Secunda
28
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:28:00 -
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Ugh, bad , bad interpertation..
A guy was robbed by "real life" violence, and forced to log into his game account ( runescape or something )
and, by use of fisical ( real world ) force, forced to give up the goods "ingame"
Thats all..
Basicly, the cubcake's didn't take his lunch money but some stuff out of his game
( so this has nothing to do with our robbing/pillage streaks in this fine eve-world ) |
Jita Alt666
876
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:37:00 -
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Op's interpretation would mean that all ingame wars were subject to the geneva convention. |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
202
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:06:00 -
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We don't own our characters or ISK.......
CCP does
Ergo you can't steal from me. You steal from my character that CCP owns to your character that CCP owns that CCP lets us use.
Need more-ádecent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term personal and corp goals. This applies to PvE and PvP. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:09:00 -
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The Dutch are only good for high quality drugs and ****. nothing else has any value coming out of the Netherlands
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe
EVE Corporation 123566322353
308
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:14:00 -
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Saraya Velcrow wrote:What does CCP think about this i guess a countries supreme court overrules TOS from ccp ??
You guess wrong bro. Everything in the game is by default the property of CCP thanks to the EULA you all clicked throguh without reading, so no-one can "steal" anything. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:15:00 -
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Come back, you've got my tankard!
in other MMO's stupid people are annoying. In EVE they are a valuable resource
/facebrick for those times when /facepalm just isn't enough
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Skywalker
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:15:00 -
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Oh ****, means i got years of prison ahead of me. |
Serene Repose
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:17:00 -
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Who's going to sue first for emotional distress??
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:57:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Op's interpretation would mean that all ingame wars were subject to the geneva convention.
One simple thing for the OP to remember when interpreting law, as I learned in law school, is that if you have two possible interpretations, one of which leads to absurdity and the other to something more reasonable, then the path taken by the courts will probably be the latter, not the former...
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Feligast
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1037
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:58:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Op's interpretation would mean that all ingame wars were subject to the geneva convention. One simple thing for the OP to remember when interpreting law, as I learned in law school, is that if you have two possible interpretations, one of which leads to absurdity and the other to something more reasonable, then the path taken by the courts will probably be the latter, not the former...
But not always. Absurdity in the court is not unheard of. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
370
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:22:00 -
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**** this country |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
191
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:24:00 -
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Saraya Velcrow wrote:according to this dutch news article click hereStealing virtual items in games is considered By the dutch supreme court real theft and thus a criminal act punishable by law. What does CCP think about this i guess a countries supreme court overrules TOS from ccp ??
CCP owns all the virtual items in EVE, and we agree to that when we click "accept".
So, I suppose CCP could sue someone for theft of their imaginary stuffs, but since we don't own it, we can't.
:)
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Freyya
Thunderbears
Jovian Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.01.31 23:30:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:The Dutch are only good for high quality drugs and ****. nothing else has any value coming out of the Netherlands
Id say thats 2 of the best things you can be good for really  ohh and dont forget some of the big advances in both medical and IT related fields which make your health and every dat life that much better. CCP Eris was Dutch iirc. Dunno of shes still with ccp though. Havent heard of her in a long time.
Dutch and proud of it!  |
Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
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Posted - 2012.01.31 23:40:00 -
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I guess there is precedent in Holland then. But that won't affect anyone else throughout the rest of the world, unless someone can absolutely convince a judge to view said Dutch precedent as a valid reason to further their own case.
To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us. |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.02.01 00:06:00 -
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Sansha's Nation vs Saraya Velcrow. Followed a few weeks later by the new emboldened Guristas vs Saraya Velcrow. There is a lot of ISK begging that they'll be wanting back, you thief! |
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