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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.03.08 01:51:00 -
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Well we removed 9 tonight from the game, so were doing our best!
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Deep Spacer
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Posted - 2004.03.08 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Deep Spacer on 08/03/2004 02:23:56
U can fit guns to a battleship?! 
im a miner. all i do is mine. every day.
i saved up 120 million to buy my shiney apoc...why the heck should u care what i do with it.
the big problem is apocs wandering into the .9 and 1.0 systems and stripping it out. i mine in empire space, but i WILL NOT mine .9 and 1.0, those are for the new players. anyone that does so is a complete pansey/n00b/dork/moron/carebear!!
if they ever made an industrial that is worth anything for mining (at least 4 turrets, 2000 dronebay, 2000 cargo, and mining bonus's) i would trade my apoc in and buy 3 of em. i like mining in a BS, but its a real shame to be doing it in the most powerful amarr ship 
they need to restrict battleships in 1.0 somehow. make concord powerdown all high slot modules for battleships or sumthing. From a RP standpoint that would be like for the maximum prevention of conflict or sumthing. those big corps will have to move there wars out to .9 and lower
*edit* kinda trailed off and never finished off the post with ideas to fix problems
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.03.08 02:34:00 -
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Cargo space is fine ... after all a Battleship needs to hold ammo etc etc ..
I do fully agree that battleships "should not" be able to fit mining lasers ....
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Ashantee
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Posted - 2004.03.08 02:36:00 -
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boy... i still remember the first screenshot of a BS. It was next to a frig, and cause back then in beta all i had ever seen were frigs (and i think everyone else had seen) i was amazed. a huge thread was started about how big and cool it was... and how only CEO's of corps would be flying them... kinda like most people right now view titans.
My point is, untill titans come out, A BS should be the flag ship of the fleet, but right now it serves as the basic combat unit.
In the long term, i hope to see a great fleet battle.. with 1 titan leading 2-3 BS's and 15 cruisers... all those supported by a few frigs (gunboats and interceptors). I think this is what CCP saw too, as they admitted people got to BS's WAY faster than they thought.
I was hoping it would be something impressive, a moral breaker. If you went in to attack an enemy mining op and instead of seeing a thorax or 2 guarding... you saw a BS. It would be the thing that would make you re-think sticking around.
I also hope they change the mining laser thing (note: CCP made indy's hauling ships, not mining ships, personally i doubt we will ever see the mining indy as it would break up the teamplay of miner/hauler) not just on BS but on other ships, a Thorax is hailed as the greates mining cruiser ever, it can have 5 miner II's and a load of heavy drones to guard.. or sub some of those heavies for harvies. It kinda defeats the idea of a dedicated miner, one that would NEED protecting, that would support teamplay.
But as i doubt any Devs would read this far into the topic, and how 99% of posters don't actually think about what they read... this post most likely falls on deaf ears.
/emote sighs
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Mitawyn
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Posted - 2004.03.08 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Fuujin on 06/03/2004 19:15:59
"Battleship" is just a way of categorizing the ships. They have turret slots thus they can equip mining lasers. Why should the title of a ship in the game limit what a person uses it for? If it works then do it.
I totally agree with the above post. I wish everyone would quit trying to stuff their idea of what this game is and how it should go down everyone else's throat. You buy the ship, you have the right to use it however you wish. It really does not matter what anyone else thinks.
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.03.08 02:55:00 -
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boy... i still remember the first screenshot of a BS. It was next to a frig, and cause back then in beta all i had ever seen were frigs (and i think everyone else had seen) i was amazed. a huge thread was started about how big and cool it was... and how only CEO's of corps would be flying them... kinda like most people right now view titans.
My point is, untill titans come out, A BS should be the flag ship of the fleet, but right now it serves as the basic combat unit.
In the long term, i hope to see a great fleet battle.. with 1 titan leading 2-3 BS's and 15 cruisers... all those supported by a few frigs (gunboats and interceptors). I think this is what CCP saw too, as they admitted people got to BS's WAY faster than they thought.
I was hoping it would be something impressive, a moral breaker. If you went in to attack an enemy mining op and instead of seeing a thorax or 2 guarding... you saw a BS. It would be the thing that would make you re-think sticking around.
I also hope they change the mining laser thing (note: CCP made indy's hauling ships, not mining ships, personally i doubt we will ever see the mining indy as it would break up the teamplay of miner/hauler) not just on BS but on other ships, a Thorax is hailed as the greates mining cruiser ever, it can have 5 miner II's and a load of heavy drones to guard.. or sub some of those heavies for harvies. It kinda defeats the idea of a dedicated miner, one that would NEED protecting, that would support teamplay.
But as i doubt any Devs would read this far into the topic, and how 99% of posters don't actually think about what they read... this post most likely falls on deaf ears.
/emote sighs
Heh.. .. I remember when we were arguing over frigates being too powerful. Anyway.I felt the same way. Very dissapointed.
I saw something about mining lasers being slot specific. I think that would be kinda cool. Of course you'd have to rethink the layout and balance on current ships.. or just come up with new ones...heh. But it should at least be considered.
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Posted - 2004.03.08 03:02:00 -
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Why should anyone else care what I do with my BS, whether I mine with it, run agent missions with it or hunt NPC rats in Empire with it, the one thing I will never do with it is come looking for a PvP fight.
I mainly do agent missions and the odd bit of rat hunting, I use a small frigate for fast cargo runs where cargo<100m3, a hauler kitted for speed where cargo>750m3 and a BS for everything else.
If you remove mining capabilities from battleships and cruisers, firstly the prices of all minerals will initially skyrocket like Mega and Zyd did when they became rare. Secondly as a result of the high mineral prices, prices for all manufactured items will skyrocket as well. But since rats drop too much loot, the people who have BS already and can go rat hunting will just dump loot onto the market. So rat hunters will make money from bounties AND from loot, manufacturers will be undercut by rat hunters and so won't be able to make any money. With the initial skyrocket of mineral prices more people will start mining to take advantage of it, but eventually because manufacturers aren't buying, prices will come back down, at which point mining in an indy will become unprofitable so all the miners that can will switch to rat hunting. Basically Eve will descend into a roller coaster economy with people switching between mining and rat hunting depending which is the better money maker. If the pirates manage to destroy ships/modules/cargo in the game faster than the miners can mine minerals to replace them, then eventually people will be forced into smaller and smaller ships as only the people with money will be able to afford the bigger ships. Those people who aren't in the game for PvP will quit, noobs won't be able to make any money to get anywhere and so will get bored really fast and quit and so the number of players will drop, until eventually the whole system crashes around us and Eve is no longer.
Eve atm works, it works fine, why go changing things for the sake of changing them? For all of you who want to ban BS's from anything except fighting, here's a clue, I and many others like me will quit this game before we become PvPers.
Drahcir Nasom
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Shannon Foraker
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Posted - 2004.03.08 03:04:00 -
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Until CCP gives us dedicated mining ships of course we will all use combat ships to mine..
This thread has no meaning until the mining ships arrive. At the moment all I use my Apocs for is mining but if we get a mining ship I will use that.
As for saying that bs are ruining Eve... all I can say is CODSWALLOP...
We are getting dedicated ship soon(tm) so your guess is as good as mine as to when they will arrive.
Oh yeah and for 0.0 space it's a good idea to have a ship that can suck up some damage and not go BOOM!
As for them mining in 0.5 and higher just make the mining lasers inactive in those systems if they are on a bs. Problem solved.
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2004.03.08 03:16:00 -
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Ironically, I recently got rid of my Apocalypse because it was a money sink. No one blew it up, so I had to re-insure it... but I wasn't making 35 million a month in it (my main occupation is running missions, which rarely need a battleship). 35 million every 4 weeks for a ship that just sits around my hangar 90% of the time wasn't worth it...
With insurance going up to 12 weeks I may get another Apoc (or a Geddon), since they ARE fun to hunt in... but when I'm actually working for ISK instead of having fun you'll usually find me in a frigate hauling stuff for my agents. So not EVERYONE jumps in a battleship for every occasion.  I personally fly the fastest, most maneuverable ship that can do the job (interceptors are FUN!)... but in PVP I can't imagine NOT using a battleship until the Bomber and Assault frigates come in. A normal frigate is one lucky hit away from death, and a cruiser can't do ANYTHING as well as a battleship can. That's the REAL problem: the battleship's main weakness (low speed and agility) isn't an issue. Cruisers just aren't enough faster and more maneuverable to be worth it.
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Panzer
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Posted - 2004.03.08 03:18:00 -
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Stop thinking now, think ahead. BS are ruining the game somewhat. Yes megacyte and Zydrine prices would skyrocket. But when people become smart and after loosing so many BS, cruisers and frigates will become more common, making a lower demand for most minerals. BS should not be able to mine well.
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Voss Matsu
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Posted - 2004.03.08 03:40:00 -
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Edited by: Voss Matsu on 08/03/2004 04:11:35
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Voss Matsu
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Posted - 2004.03.08 04:09:00 -
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First off batttleships shouldnt be able to mine they are called Battleships for a reason...
Cruiser: One of a class of warships of medium tonnage, designed for speed and long cruising radius
Frigate: A general purpose warship... used as an escort vessel
These are the dictionary definitions of some of the other classes of ships used in EVE to mine. The point that I am trying to make is that the Devs needed to classify the different types of ships in some way, and this is the way they chose.
If you go on the theory of Black 5 and others who have posted here, the only vessel that we could use to mine with would be an indy. Get over your preconceived notions of what these ships "should" be, and realize what they ARE.
The arguement that a battleship can only be used for battle is null and void, unless all ships are made unable to mine except the indy.
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Interferon
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Posted - 2004.03.08 06:19:00 -
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what a RIDICULOUS and LUDICROUS idea!!! If you believe this, then you can only use a truck for a ranch, or a jeep for offroad, and Corvettes should NEVER see the median strip of a city lane where 30mph and school zones are common place. You know what, you're a entitled to your opinion, and thank the man upstairs that's ALL it is. Just play your game and let others play theirs.
You dont like the fact that a BS can be used for mining, Then dont use YOURS for that purpose. Go gate camp or "Zombify" secure space. But how dare you suggest what OTHERS can or cannot do with what they worked for?
See you in space.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.03.08 06:26:00 -
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Why should it bother anyone what people do in their battleship ?
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NoHawker
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Posted - 2004.03.08 06:39:00 -
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Too many Battleships flying about, youÆd think their going out of style or something. I donÆt think CCP ever intended to have so many battleships in the universe but they didnÆt take certain things in good measure.
Getting ships should mostly be about connections and standings then ISK. For example in order to fly an Apocalypse you must be in very high regard and standings with the Empire. Once you acquire this very rare ship it will cost you weekly or monthly expenditures in cost of operations and payments toward the full value of the ship. Not every one can afford to maintain a Battleship or receive a battleship but Cruisers and especially frigates are with in most needs. Battleships should be earned by your standings and they should cost several billion ISK, this includes life time insurance. Penalty for losing a Battleship is a waiting period for a replacement and a small hit with your ratings.
Getting a Battleship is like going car shopping
What are you going to do?
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Xeris
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Posted - 2004.03.08 06:51:00 -
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Worst. Thread. Ever.
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Imperishable
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Posted - 2004.03.08 06:54:00 -
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It bothers people to see all these battleships because the other ship types are useless, pretty much. Variety is a good thing, people want to fly different ships. And overall gameplay would be more interesting if you had to use different type of ships for different tasks.
Doesn't matter how it relates to real world.
Consider checkers - all pieces the same.
Consider chess - different pieces, each have a good role, if used properly.
Which game has more interesting gameplay?
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.03.08 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: Omniwar on 08/03/2004 07:00:30
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Getting ships should mostly be about connections and standings then ISK. For example in order to fly an Apocalypse you must be in very high regard and standings with the Empire. Once you acquire this very rare ship it will cost you weekly or monthly expenditures in cost of operations and payments toward the full value of the ship. Not every one can afford to maintain a Battleship or receive a battleship but Cruisers and especially frigates are with in most needs. Battleships should be earned by your standings and they should cost several billion ISK, this includes life time insurance. Penalty for losing a Battleship is a waiting period for a replacement and a small hit with your ratings.
Getting a Battleship is like going car shopping
So people who dont do missions gant fly an Apoc ?
You dont see people in real life who have hundreds of millions in the bank driving a Traktor.
Why should they have to do that in a game ?
Get real people, its game and shouldnt be limited who gets to do what.
I have bad sec status and cant enter some systems, that means I most likely cant do missions in empire so I cant ever fly an apoc even if I have the skills for it?
Not that I want to or would do missions.
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.03.08 06:58:00 -
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The only issue I have with battleships is the fact they can be unbelievable mining vessels. One solution I've seen on the boards several times before was to make Miners and Deep Core Mining Lasers operate only on a dedicated turret mount type, one that battleships and other vessels clearly dedicated for combat should not have.
You read the information on ships and you see how they're talked about as being new combat class ships for a particular race or wahtever, yet those same ships are often use almost exclusively for things they're not "intended" for. Might be nice if that could be fixed somehow.
I agree. Mining lasers use turret slots but infact are not turrets according to the Weapons Upgrade skill.
Creating a new catagoty in ships dedicated to mining lasers is a briliant idea. Just as long as the Dominix gets to keep two for mining.
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Janus Rebelknight
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Posted - 2004.03.08 07:13:00 -
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A normal frigate is one lucky hit away from death, and a cruiser can't do ANYTHING as well as a battleship can. That's the REAL problem: the battleship's main weakness (low speed and agility) isn't an issue. Cruisers just aren't enough faster and more maneuverable to be worth it.
If CCP are smart they will restore balance thru the next wave of ship technology where next tech cruisers can ice old tech battleships so they aren't worth flying anymore in the way that they are being flown now.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.03.08 07:27:00 -
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I have to admit that I was more than surprised to see the battleship's cargo capacity. I personally believe it should have less cargo space than a cruiser since a cruiser is intended as an all round ship and the battleship is meant to be, let's face it, an efficient ship designed for battle and nothing else.
I wouldn't mind, but there ARE industrial ships and mining cans and cargo containers and all sorts of things that can be used to mine better - you shouldn't be in a battleship just because you can be, just like you don't fly everywhere in an industial ship.
OR make a Ammo hold where only ammo and missles can be held in the hold of Battleships
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Nathan Zachary
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Posted - 2004.03.08 08:16:00 -
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Too many Battleships flying about, youÆd think their going out of style or something. I donÆt think CCP ever intended to have so many battleships in the universe but they didnÆt take certain things in good measure.
Getting ships should mostly be about connections and standings then ISK. For example in order to fly an Apocalypse you must be in very high regard and standings with the Empire. Once you acquire this very rare ship it will cost you weekly or monthly expenditures in cost of operations and payments toward the full value of the ship. Not every one can afford to maintain a Battleship or receive a battleship but Cruisers and especially frigates are with in most needs. Battleships should be earned by your standings and they should cost several billion ISK, this includes life time insurance. Penalty for losing a Battleship is a waiting period for a replacement and a small hit with your ratings.
Getting a Battleship is like going car shopping
Reset ALL player hangars and items bays, reset ALL wallets and delete any floating cargo container (secure or not) from the game, putting everyone in the same position except skills, THEN you can talk about limiting something you have been able to profit from for many months.
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dont like bships? get a kestrel gang and mob em up whenever you see them. else shut up....
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nether void
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Posted - 2004.03.08 08:22:00 -
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This last post is plain stu.... Wipe. LOL Good one.
I agree, make battle ships for ... uh battle?
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Alexander Rahl
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Posted - 2004.03.08 08:25:00 -
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Well all I can say is HA HA HA HA HA.
A battleship is used for whatever the fleet or ship commander wants it to do . Plain and simple. And as for someones statement regarding the cargo size in a battleship. You obviously are not aware of how much storage space exists on a BS in real when compared to a cruiser. Much bigger ship, Much bigger cargo space. Period.
Personally you might be right regarding the number of BS in the game but thats the way it is so adapt. My corp is currently at war and in most engagements we have, both sides have had people in frigates and cruisers instead of BS so they are not the be all and end all after all. (hmm not sure if that is bad english or not hehe).
Finally, until CCP get the bugs fixed I personally wouldnt ask them to do anything they might also screw up. Let them concentrate on sorting out all the problems that exist instead of giving them stupid ideas on changing the game. CCP get the tech 2 cruisers out asap will you.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.08 08:27:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 08/03/2004 08:28:43
Me and Scalor Valentis are doing our best to keep BS population at control
but its dam hard to do that because thees days only 1 of 10 ataks on mining parties sucses
Reasons why we screw up
1) To many dam roids
2) They see us in local and go to station
3) They stacks 4 Warpcorestabiliser
4) They simpply log off before we are in range
5) They Lagg us whit all thous drones
6) Reasons 1,2,3,5 together
i think many pirat/BS huntter find it hard to kill anyone exept total AFK miner/n00b
its to dam safe out there and almost no risk miing in expensive BS
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Nathan Zachary
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Posted - 2004.03.08 08:33:00 -
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This last post is plain stu.... Wipe. LOL Good one.
I agree, make battle ships for ... uh battle?
its not plain stu....
Why should newer player loose the ability to ern their millions in a bship while you ppl dont loose anything? You already got your Stack of Bships, got your millions and got the good stuff using Bships for the various possibilitys to get the good stuff...
This thread is about a bunch of wannabee elitists who just cant get over the fact that other ppl can get Bships too without spending half their lifetime doing it.
Youre just a greedy little pack of (censored).
So far noone of the "true" pvpers have complained about bships doing mining jobs and other "lesser" activities.
So unless youre willing to reset everyone to zero in matter of items, ships and money you better stfu, since you have NO right to limit newer players in their possibilitys just because "you dont like seeing bships mining".
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2004.03.08 08:52:00 -
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Secondly Battleships are way to easy to aquire. Every noob can buy one after playing for a month.
I got my bs in janurary.. i started playing in setpember... easy? hell no. i sold all my posessions worth over 300k cept my maller and i dident even insure the thing...
well now is march and i have recently sold my armageddon and got myself an apoc it has no inshurence yet because well i got 6m and i dont want 50% inshurence i want 100%
well now i sit in my blackbird mining rare ore... well i havent latley bistot right outside and i dont feel like it. thinking of cancling eve for a month or 20 days... anyway im gonna insure my apoc and when i do im going to kill 0.0 rats with it. but for now empire rats suck cant make inshurnece money off that.. mining? well if i sit there 24/7 in my apoc (witch i will never ever do) i could make it in a while then there missions.. well i dont have 3 months to get a lvl 3 agent so forget that... i need to find a large c5l or a named L gun to make some cash to get inshurence on my apoc but i cant use it to do that anyway so im kinda in a stale mate...
Originally by: Oveur
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Slarti
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Posted - 2004.03.08 09:06:00 -
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Battleships can mine cos this is a mining sim......
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.08 09:10:00 -
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Secondly Battleships are way to easy to aquire. Every noob can buy one after playing for a month.
I got my bs in janurary.. i started playing in setpember... easy? hell no. i sold all my posessions worth over 300k cept my maller and i dident even insure the thing...
well now is march and i have recently sold my armageddon and got myself an apoc it has no inshurence yet because well i got 6m and i dont want 50% inshurence i want 100%
well now i sit in my blackbird mining rare ore... well i havent latley bistot right outside and i dont feel like it. thinking of cancling eve for a month or 20 days... anyway im gonna insure my apoc and when i do im going to kill 0.0 rats with it. but for now empire rats suck cant make inshurnece money off that.. mining? well if i sit there 24/7 in my apoc (witch i will never ever do) i could make it in a while then there missions.. well i dont have 3 months to get a lvl 3 agent so forget that... i need to find a large c5l or a named L gun to make some cash to get inshurence on my apoc but i cant use it to do that anyway so im kinda in a stale mate...
Try killing stuff
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Durandal
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Posted - 2004.03.08 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Durandal on 08/03/2004 09:28:42
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Creating a new catagoty in ships dedicated to mining lasers is a briliant idea. Just as long as the Dominix gets to keep two for mining.
How would this solve anything exactly? I mean, if we get a mining ship how many mining turret slots are we going to have on it 6,7,8? And then how is this any different from having Battleships mining. In fact if this new mining class of ship was to be made more affordable than a battleship the situation in high sec systems would be even worse!! Unless the argument is that it is stupid having a battleship mining, creating a new class of ship is pointless, and even if this is the argument what do people care how others use their ships?
If you want to address the problem of empty belts in n00b systems - which I think needs to be done to allow new players to get a foothold in the game and keep the player base up - you need to ban battleships from mining in 0.5 and above. I have no idea if this is possible or not, but if there were to be a Concord response to BS mining then people would stop it fairly quickly. It would also push more people out of the "core" systems and into 0.4-0.1, and if at the same time sentry range was fixed to 55km in 0.4-0.1 and left at 150km in 0.5-1.0 this would also bring back the risk/reward balance.
If people want a mining class of ship because they are not into PvP I can understand this, but it should (imo) cost at least the equivalent of a tier 1 BS, have the same armour and shields as a tier 2 BS, have no drone capacity, 6/7/8 mining only turret slots, half the cargo capacity of an indy and also not be allowed in 0.5-1.0 space.
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