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Kill Mail Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.27 13:57:00 - [1] But I've been noticing something in the time code bazaar.. There are a group of people who tend to spam the WTS:GTC threads. They tend to have odd names, and do not show their corporations or anything. They go into every WTS thread and buy them all up! You know what they are, I know what they are, but is there anything that can be done?
Duncan Bannatyne BioDyne Industries	Posted - 2007.11.27 14:00:00 - [2] Isk farmers and no. Duncan Bannatyne The Dragons Are Taking Over...
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.27 14:38:00 - [3] Nothing like having your nose rubbed in it. And these are the people that CCP dont have enough evidence to ban. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.11.27 14:43:00 - [4] It's funny that CCP advertises the dire effects of ISK farmer monopolies on T2 , when they enable them to do something much worse - monopolize game time transactions...
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Kill Mail But I've been noticing something in the time code bazaar.. There are a group of people who tend to spam the WTS:GTC threads. They tend to have odd names, and do not show their corporations or anything. They go into every WTS thread and buy them all up! You know what they are, I know what they are, but is there anything that can be done? You do know that GTCs are applied to the account and not the character. So many buyers use their alts to buy a GTC for their account. This is just a witch hunt by losers that should be playing WoW.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:07:00 - [6] You do know that CCP uses secret alts to buy the GTCs in order to sell more GTCs. /tinfoil Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
Manipulator General	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:10:00 - [7] Ok, so if they are buying up all the GTCs, what are they doing with them? They can't resell them for more ISK, due to the secure exchange thing. I guess they're extending their own accounts, just like I do when I buy GTCs.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:11:00 - [8] Edited by: Plutoinum on 27/11/2007 15:14:48 Originally by: Paulo Damarr You do know that CCP uses secret alts to buy the GTCs in order to sell more GTCs. /tinfoil Explain. I should try that in RL: Sell something and buy it back with the goal to sell more. Call me Mr.Billion already.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:13:00 - [9] Here's a thought... 1. Buy GTC from online shop. 2. Sell GTC for X ISK. 3. Buy GTC for X-Y ISK. 4. Y = PROFIT ! C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Kill Mail But I've been noticing something in the time code bazaar.. There are a group of people who tend to spam the WTS:GTC threads. They tend to have odd names, and do not show their corporations or anything. They go into every WTS thread and buy them all up! You know what they are, I know what they are, but is there anything that can be done? Yes, it's professional ISK farmers/spammers who buy the GTCs to pay for their own game time, something that is quietly ignored by those who support RMT in EVE. So, we have 2 drawbacks due to GTC sales for ISK, not 1 drawback and 1 advantage, like they would like us to believe. "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Plutoinum Originally by: Paulo Damarr You do know that CCP uses secret alts to buy the GTCs in order to sell more GTCs. /tinfoil Explain. 1) Sell GTCs for real money 2) Buy GTCs back for ISk which you can spawn 3 Profit. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:18:00 - [12] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 27/11/2007 15:18:34 Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: Kill Mail But I've been noticing something in the time code bazaar.. There are a group of people who tend to spam the WTS:GTC threads. They tend to have odd names, and do not show their corporations or anything. They go into every WTS thread and buy them all up! You know what they are, I know what they are, but is there anything that can be done? Yes, it's professional ISK farmers/spammers who buy the GTCs to pay for their own game time, something that is quietly ignored by those who support RMT in EVE. So, we have 2 drawbacks due to GTC sales for ISK, not 1 drawback and 1 advantage, like they would like us to believe. So, in your opinion, the cure for the disease is to kill the patient ? Damn, good thing you don't have a job of responsability. :) Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Plutoinum Originally by: Paulo Damarr You do know that CCP uses secret alts to buy the GTCs in order to sell more GTCs. /tinfoil Explain. 1) Sell GTCs for real money 2) Buy GTCs back for ISk which you can spawn 3 Profit. Ok, makes sense. Was somehow thinking of buying them back for cash.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Setana Manoro So, in your opinion, the cure for the disease is to kill the patient ? Who is the patient? I think it's EVE and the disease is called RMT. Remove it and all is fine (i.e. prohibit GTC => ISK sales). Quote: Damn, good thing you don't have a job of responsability. :) If only you knew ... "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:27:00 - [15] Well, I am a ******* patient and just about everyone else that is paying their game with GTC's, which believe it or not are some. It's not my fault that you fail to grasp the concept that some of those noob char guys buying gtc's are maybe not isk farmers. I bought 4 last week for my accounts, a friend has 2 and bought 3-4 3-4 weeks ago, another is looking to buy right now for 3 accounts, and i am pretty sure I am not the only one in EVE. Think about others, you selfish sob. Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:41:00 - [16] In this RMT deal/thing i am in the position of the buyer; i buy because i'm a student - last year university, who can't/won't give 60$/month on EVE. I'm one of those guys who has some free time, loves the game. Now, what about the other type of guy that gets affected ? EVE has a population average of 27yrs, that means usually ppl involved in a relation, with a career/job/family. Those ppl also do not have the time to make isk to play, because of their RL commitments. If selling GTC's becomes illegal, you are not just kicking me in the nuts, but also them, who are actually a big minority in eve. So, will you pay for the accounts of ppl like me, and for those that rely on GTC selling to play ? Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.27 16:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Malcanis 1) Sell GTCs for real money 2) Buy GTCs back for ISk which you can spawn 3 Profit. A little to much tinfoil in your hat. There is plenty of demand for GTC's without CCP buying them up. If CCP starting buying up the GTC's, it would cause the price of GTC's to rise faster, meaning that those who want ISK need to purchase fewer, not more GTCs to get their ISK. Not good for business. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Caligulus Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.27 16:12:00 - [18] The answer is simple. Kill and pod corp mates and the like that trade ISK for GTCs. If no one buys the wares then the farmers go away. ------------------------------------------------- ** Name ONE thing that your windows comp can do that my MAC cant ** Right click.
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.11.27 16:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Caligulus The answer is simple. Kill and pod corp mates and the like that trade ISK for GTCs. If no one buys the wares then the farmers go away. qft
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.27 16:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Caligulus The answer is simple. Kill and pod corp mates and the like that trade ISK for GTCs. If no one buys the wares then the farmers go away. If you ever join a corporation in which i have an alt, i will pod you myself, for even stating this. Ppl that even think about shooting corp mates, should be hunted down and killed repeteadly untill they have lower than 900k SP. Nice to see this coming from the Director of Research of Eve-Uni. Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks.
Tammarr Trident RMBK	Posted - 2007.11.27 16:21:00 - [21] I fully endorse gtc trading =) I fully endorse ppl selling gtc's to be abit more selective -_- Nerfing carriers and most everything nice for a t2 freighter that should be tier 2 isnt balancing ccp :(
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.27 16:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Setana Manoro Think about others, you selfish sob. You are the selfish sob, I think you have no right to demand to play the game for free if you only spend enough time ingame to earn enough ISK. Quote: If you want to strike at isk farmers, strike at the guy that is hub for the isk, you can't ban the peons that gather it. I mind people who buy their way ahead in the game more than the ISK farmers TBH... Quote: PS: If you have a job of responsability it doesn't mean anything. Why did you bring it up then? Quote: Statistically, even a IQ 30 could get to be CEO of a RL corporation. Doubtful, since that would probably mean that said person cannot read/write ... "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.27 17:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Setana Manoro So, will you pay for the accounts of ppl like me, and for those that rely on GTC selling to play ? If you can't pay for EVE, don't play. It's that simple. I would pay $30 per account for an EVE without RMT and I would gladly play without ISK farmers and people who pay 4 accounts using ISK in the game (like you). Don't take it personally... It's just that I don't like a game that is skewed by RMT and I also don't see a strong case for supporting people who spend a large part of their RL ingame and claim to have no money to pay (go work at McD for 2 hours/week instead). Yes, it's nice to be able to play for free now, but it's not something you can demand to have at all costs (i.e. at the cost of a game with RMT). "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Estephania	Posted - 2007.11.27 17:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Setana Manoro In this RMT deal/thing i am in the position of the buyer; i buy because i'm a student - last year university, who can't/won't give 60$/month on EVE. I'm one of those guys who has some free time, loves the game. Last time I checked subscription price was $15 per month. Let's think how it jumped to $60. Alts probably? So, you want to be uber in game, metagame with alts and all this when you actually don't have money to pay for the pleasure. I doubt you deserve much sympathy here. Have the thought crossed your mind that MMORPGs were probably designed with 1 player per account concept. That human ego and over competitiveness pushed ppl into "I vill be da bezt" mentality? I prefer to satisfy my ego, IRL, but looks some ppl prefer to do it in a video game
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.27 17:21:00 - [25] Only replying to this because I'm expected to tell you to petition it: Petition it. Join MacroIntel!
Ki Tetro Vanquish Inc	Posted - 2007.11.27 17:38:00 - [26] People sure do get over excited about RMT. TBH I think CCP have developed the perfect solution. If they stopped gtc<>isk sales, ebay would just be swamped, you will never ever be able to stop people determined to purchase isk. CCP ensure they get a cut of the isk buying market and tbh, the people buying isk are usually just going to waste it on stuff that gets blown up. Why do people get so upset about isk buying? It doesnt actual give people much of an advantage! It just people wasting money of pixels that will explode at some point.
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2007.11.27 17:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Ki Tetro People sure do get over excited about RMT. TBH I think CCP have developed the perfect solution. If they stopped gtc<>isk sales, ebay would just be swamped, you will never ever be able to stop people determined to purchase isk. CCP ensure they get a cut of the isk buying market and tbh, the people buying isk are usually just going to waste it on stuff that gets blown up. Why do people get so upset about isk buying? It doesnt actual give people much of an advantage! It just people wasting money of pixels that will explode at some point. This. The inflated number of phantom subscriptions that GTC sales provide help CCP. Sorry if it ruins your 'immersion' or anything, isk for cash is good so long as CCP gets a cut.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.27 17:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Richard Phallus This. The inflated number of phantom subscriptions that GTC sales provide help CCP. Sorry if it ruins your 'immersion' or anything, isk for cash is good so long as CCP gets a cut. You could say the same thing about macro miners and ISK farmers, so it's a moot point. Yes, CCP profits from the GTC=>ISK sales, but that can't be the argument to end all arguments and compensate all the drawbacks (e.g. people playing for free and causing lag for those of us who pay, ISK buyers camping lowsec in their motherships etc.). "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
JeanPaul Sartre 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.11.27 17:53:00 - [29] Scrapping GTC<>ISK RMT in Eve will not get rid of ISK farmers... stopping the people that buy ISK directly from shady websites is the real problem here. All MMOGs are blighted with this issue because a sizable percentage of the customer base prefer to buy their in-game money. GTCs offer a safe way of doing that. -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2007.11.27 17:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Lazuran You could say the same thing about macro miners and ISK farmers, so it's a moot point. Yes, CCP profits from the GTC=>ISK sales, but that can't be the argument to end all arguments and compensate all the drawbacks (e.g. people playing for free and causing lag for those of us who pay, ISK buyers camping lowsec in their motherships etc.). None of that even makes sense, straw man followed by nonsense.

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