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Kill Mail
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.11.27 13:57:00 -
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But I've been noticing something in the time code bazaar..
There are a group of people who tend to spam the WTS:GTC threads. They tend to have odd names, and do not show their corporations or anything. They go into every WTS thread and buy them all up!
You know what they are, I know what they are, but is there anything that can be done?
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Duncan Bannatyne
BioDyne Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.27 14:00:00 -
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Isk farmers and no.
Duncan Bannatyne
The Dragons Are Taking Over... |
Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.27 14:38:00 -
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Nothing like having your nose rubbed in it.
And these are the people that CCP dont have enough evidence to ban.
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Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345 |
Stakhanov
The Good Fellas
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Posted - 2007.11.27 14:43:00 -
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It's funny that CCP advertises the dire effects of ISK farmer monopolies on T2 , when they enable them to do something much worse - monopolize game time transactions...
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:05:00 -
[5]
 Originally by: Kill Mail
But I've been noticing something in the time code bazaar..
There are a group of people who tend to spam the WTS:GTC threads. They tend to have odd names, and do not show their corporations or anything. They go into every WTS thread and buy them all up!
You know what they are, I know what they are, but is there anything that can be done?
You do know that GTCs are applied to the account and not the character. So many buyers use their alts to buy a GTC for their account.
This is just a witch hunt by losers that should be playing WoW.
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:07:00 -
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You do know that CCP uses secret alts to buy the GTCs in order to sell more GTCs.
/tinfoil
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
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Manipulator General
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:10:00 -
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Ok, so if they are buying up all the GTCs, what are they doing with them? They can't resell them for more ISK, due to the secure exchange thing. I guess they're extending their own accounts, just like I do when I buy GTCs.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 27/11/2007 15:14:48
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
You do know that CCP uses secret alts to buy the GTCs in order to sell more GTCs.
/tinfoil
Explain. 
I should try that in RL: Sell something and buy it back with the goal to sell more. Call me Mr.Billion already. 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:13:00 -
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Here's a thought...
1. Buy GTC from online shop.
2. Sell GTC for X ISK.
3. Buy GTC for X-Y ISK.
4. Y = PROFIT !
C|S|I|N|x. |
Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:13:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Kill Mail
But I've been noticing something in the time code bazaar..
There are a group of people who tend to spam the WTS:GTC threads. They tend to have odd names, and do not show their corporations or anything. They go into every WTS thread and buy them all up!
You know what they are, I know what they are, but is there anything that can be done?
Yes, it's professional ISK farmers/spammers who buy the GTCs to pay for their own game time, something that is quietly ignored by those who support RMT in EVE.
So, we have 2 drawbacks due to GTC sales for ISK, not 1 drawback and 1 advantage, like they would like us to believe.
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:15:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Plutoinum
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
You do know that CCP uses secret alts to buy the GTCs in order to sell more GTCs.
/tinfoil
Explain.
1) Sell GTCs for real money
2) Buy GTCs back for ISk which you can spawn
3 Profit.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Setana Manoro on 27/11/2007 15:18:34
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Kill Mail
But I've been noticing something in the time code bazaar..
There are a group of people who tend to spam the WTS:GTC threads. They tend to have odd names, and do not show their corporations or anything. They go into every WTS thread and buy them all up!
You know what they are, I know what they are, but is there anything that can be done?
Yes, it's professional ISK farmers/spammers who buy the GTCs to pay for their own game time, something that is quietly ignored by those who support RMT in EVE.
So, we have 2 drawbacks due to GTC sales for ISK, not 1 drawback and 1 advantage, like they would like us to believe.
So, in your opinion, the cure for the disease is to kill the patient ?
Damn, good thing you don't have a job of responsability. :)
Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks. |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Plutoinum
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
You do know that CCP uses secret alts to buy the GTCs in order to sell more GTCs.
/tinfoil
Explain.
1) Sell GTCs for real money
2) Buy GTCs back for ISk which you can spawn
3 Profit.
Ok, makes sense.
Was somehow thinking of buying them back for cash.
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro
So, in your opinion, the cure for the disease is to kill the patient ?
Who is the patient? I think it's EVE and the disease is called RMT. Remove it and all is fine (i.e. prohibit GTC => ISK sales).
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Damn, good thing you don't have a job of responsability. :)
If only you knew ...
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:27:00 -
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Well, I am a ******* patient and just about everyone else that is paying their game with GTC's, which believe it or not are some.
It's not my fault that you fail to grasp the concept that some of those noob char guys buying gtc's are maybe not isk farmers. I bought 4 last week for my accounts, a friend has 2 and bought 3-4 3-4 weeks ago, another is looking to buy right now for 3 accounts, and i am pretty sure I am not the only one in EVE.
Think about others, you selfish sob.
Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks. |
Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:41:00 -
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In this RMT deal/thing i am in the position of the buyer; i buy because i'm a student - last year university, who can't/won't give 60$/month on EVE.
I'm one of those guys who has some free time, loves the game.
Now, what about the other type of guy that gets affected ?
EVE has a population average of 27yrs, that means usually ppl involved in a relation, with a career/job/family. Those ppl also do not have the time to make isk to play, because of their RL commitments.
If selling GTC's becomes illegal, you are not just kicking me in the nuts, but also them, who are actually a big minority in eve.
So, will you pay for the accounts of ppl like me, and for those that rely on GTC selling to play ?
Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks. |
Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.27 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
1) Sell GTCs for real money
2) Buy GTCs back for ISk which you can spawn
3 Profit.
A little to much tinfoil in your hat.
There is plenty of demand for GTC's without CCP buying them up.
If CCP starting buying up the GTC's, it would cause the price of GTC's to rise faster, meaning that those who want ISK need to purchase fewer, not more GTCs to get their ISK.
Not good for business.
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Datacore Harvesting IPO |
Caligulus
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.11.27 16:12:00 -
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The answer is simple. Kill and pod corp mates and the like that trade ISK for GTCs. If no one buys the wares then the farmers go away.
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**** Name ONE thing that your windows comp can do that my MAC cant
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Stakhanov
The Good Fellas
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Posted - 2007.11.27 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Caligulus
The answer is simple. Kill and pod corp mates and the like that trade ISK for GTCs. If no one buys the wares then the farmers go away.
qft
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.27 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Caligulus
The answer is simple. Kill and pod corp mates and the like that trade ISK for GTCs. If no one buys the wares then the farmers go away.
If you ever join a corporation in which i have an alt, i will pod you myself, for even stating this.
Ppl that even think about shooting corp mates, should be hunted down and killed repeteadly untill they have lower than 900k SP.
Nice to see this coming from the Director of Research of Eve-Uni.
Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks. |
Tammarr
Trident RMBK
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Posted - 2007.11.27 16:21:00 -
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I fully endorse gtc trading =)
I fully endorse ppl selling gtc's to be abit more selective -_-
Nerfing carriers and most everything nice for a t2 freighter that should be tier 2 isnt balancing ccp :( |
Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.27 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro
Think about others, you selfish sob.
You are the selfish sob, I think you have no right to demand to play the game for free if you only spend enough time ingame to earn enough ISK.
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If you want to strike at isk farmers, strike at the guy that is hub for the isk, you can't ban the peons that gather it.
I mind people who buy their way ahead in the game more than the ISK farmers TBH...
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PS: If you have a job of responsability it doesn't mean anything.
Why did you bring it up then?
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Statistically, even a IQ 30 could get to be CEO of a RL corporation.
Doubtful, since that would probably mean that said person cannot read/write ...
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.27 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro
So, will you pay for the accounts of ppl like me, and for those that rely on GTC selling to play ?
If you can't pay for EVE, don't play. It's that simple. I would pay $30 per account for an EVE without RMT and I would gladly play without ISK farmers and people who pay 4 accounts using ISK in the game (like you).
Don't take it personally... It's just that I don't like a game that is skewed by RMT and I also don't see a strong case for supporting people who spend a large part of their RL ingame and claim to have no money to pay (go work at McD for 2 hours/week instead). Yes, it's nice to be able to play for free now, but it's not something you can demand to have at all costs (i.e. at the cost of a game with RMT).
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Estephania
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Posted - 2007.11.27 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro
In this RMT deal/thing i am in the position of the buyer; i buy because i'm a student - last year university, who can't/won't give 60$/month on EVE.
I'm one of those guys who has some free time, loves the game.
Last time I checked subscription price was $15 per month. Let's think how it jumped to $60. Alts probably? So, you want to be uber in game, metagame with alts and all this when you actually don't have money to pay for the pleasure. I doubt you deserve much sympathy here. Have the thought crossed your mind that MMORPGs were probably designed with 1 player per account concept. That human ego and over competitiveness pushed ppl into "I vill be da bezt" mentality? I prefer to satisfy my ego, IRL, but looks some ppl prefer to do it in a video game
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Snake Doctor
MacroIntel
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.11.27 17:21:00 -
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Only replying to this because I'm expected to tell you to petition it:
Petition it.
Join MacroIntel! |
Ki Tetro
Vanquish Inc
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Posted - 2007.11.27 17:38:00 -
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People sure do get over excited about RMT.
TBH I think CCP have developed the perfect solution. If they stopped gtc<>isk sales, ebay would just be swamped, you will never ever be able to stop people determined to purchase isk.
CCP ensure they get a cut of the isk buying market and tbh, the people buying isk are usually just going to waste it on stuff that gets blown up.
Why do people get so upset about isk buying? It doesnt actual give people much of an advantage! It just people wasting money of pixels that will explode at some point.
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Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2007.11.27 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tetro
People sure do get over excited about RMT.
TBH I think CCP have developed the perfect solution. If they stopped gtc<>isk sales, ebay would just be swamped, you will never ever be able to stop people determined to purchase isk.
CCP ensure they get a cut of the isk buying market and tbh, the people buying isk are usually just going to waste it on stuff that gets blown up.
Why do people get so upset about isk buying? It doesnt actual give people much of an advantage! It just people wasting money of pixels that will explode at some point.
This. The inflated number of phantom subscriptions that GTC sales provide help CCP. Sorry if it ruins your 'immersion' or anything, isk for cash is good so long as CCP gets a cut. |
Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.27 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Phallus
This. The inflated number of phantom subscriptions that GTC sales provide help CCP. Sorry if it ruins your 'immersion' or anything, isk for cash is good so long as CCP gets a cut.
You could say the same thing about macro miners and ISK farmers, so it's a moot point. Yes, CCP profits from the GTC=>ISK sales, but that can't be the argument to end all arguments and compensate all the drawbacks (e.g. people playing for free and causing lag for those of us who pay, ISK buyers camping lowsec in their motherships etc.).
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
JeanPaul Sartre
26th of July Movement
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Posted - 2007.11.27 17:53:00 -
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Scrapping GTC<>ISK RMT in Eve will not get rid of ISK farmers... stopping the people that buy ISK directly from shady websites is the real problem here. All MMOGs are blighted with this issue because a sizable percentage of the customer base prefer to buy their in-game money. GTCs offer a safe way of doing that.
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If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
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Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2007.11.27 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lazuran
You could say the same thing about macro miners and ISK farmers, so it's a moot point. Yes, CCP profits from the GTC=>ISK sales, but that can't be the argument to end all arguments and compensate all the drawbacks (e.g. people playing for free and causing lag for those of us who pay, ISK buyers camping lowsec in their motherships etc.).
None of that even makes sense, straw man followed by nonsense. |
Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.27 19:00:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Kill Mail
But I've been noticing something in the time code bazaar..
There are a group of people who tend to spam the WTS:GTC threads. They tend to have odd names, and do not show their corporations or anything. They go into every WTS thread and buy them all up!
You know what they are, I know what they are, but is there anything that can be done?
Yes, it's professional ISK farmers/spammers who buy the GTCs to pay for their own game time, something that is quietly ignored by those who support RMT in EVE.
So, we have 2 drawbacks due to GTC sales for ISK, not 1 drawback and 1 advantage, like they would like us to believe.
Right. Because ending GTC for ISk sales wouldn't make RMT sellers happy at all.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.27 19:01:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Setana Manoro
So, in your opinion, the cure for the disease is to kill the patient ?
Who is the patient? I think it's EVE and the disease is called RMT. Remove it and all is fine (i.e. prohibit GTC => ISK sales).
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Damn, good thing you don't have a job of responsability. :)
If only you knew ...
Man, you could be on to something there. Let's just make things we don't like illegal and then they will never occur ever again!
BRILLIANT!
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.27 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Man, you could be on to something there. Let's just make things we don't like illegal and then they will never occur ever again!
BRILLIANT!
How about we make GTC=>ISK trades legal and there will be no ISK sales spam ever again! Brilliant!
Oh wait...
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Caine 607
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.27 21:38:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Malcanis
Man, you could be on to something there. Let's just make things we don't like illegal and then they will never occur ever again!
BRILLIANT!
How about we make GTC=>ISK trades legal and there will be no ISK sales spam ever again! Brilliant!
Oh wait...
Hahaha... touche ! I'm with you on this Lazuran - get a job, pay your way and have your say !
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Daelin Blackleaf
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.11.27 22:25:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Kill Mail
You know what they are, I know what they are, but is there anything that can be done?
Sir Molle's Alts?
/tinfoil
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.11.27 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Estephania
Originally by: Setana Manoro
I'm one of those guys who has some free time, loves the game.
So, you want to be uber in game, metagame with alts and all this when you actually don't have money to pay for the pleasure.
But I do have the money for the pleasure, but not the time. So I bought a GTC and sold it to him. Not him directly, but someone like him. I hired him to grind for me. Yep, that's exactly what I did. And there is no shame in that. Why should I grind if I don't want to? This is a game, not a sentence.
-- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.11.27 23:08:00 -
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Why you can keep pushing your ISK farmer propaganda (ISK farmers hate GTC -> ISK because it totally destroyed their customer base - everyone who wants to buy ISK with $$$ just buys GTCs now, forcing them to slash prices and advertise offensively). In the end, moral trash is meaningless compared to one simple factor:
Do you think CCP will willingly give up lots and lots of $$, a huge portion of their active subscriber base (maybe 50%, maybe a lot more are alt accounts fueled with GTC) to ISK farmer propaganda?
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.27 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
Why you can keep pushing your ISK farmer propaganda (ISK farmers hate GTC -> ISK because it totally destroyed their customer base - everyone who wants to buy ISK with $$$ just buys GTCs now, forcing them to slash prices and advertise offensively). In the end, moral trash is meaningless compared to one simple factor:
Do you think CCP will willingly give up lots and lots of $$, a huge portion of their active subscriber base (maybe 50%, maybe a lot more are alt accounts fueled with GTC) to ISK farmer propaganda?
You're right the price of website based isk has dropped dramatically meaning the isk farmers get less or have to run even more accounts.
There's a lot of people blaming secure GTC because they are jealous and incapable of earning enough isk to not have to pay to play. So, meh.
Basically whining and moaning in a thread doesn't do anything about the situation. Do what I do. Kill the isk farmers and disrupt their operations.
We almost won.
[ 2007.11.17 08:26:19 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your 150mm Railgun II places an excellent hit on Shrike [EVOL]<BOB>(Avatar), inflicting 41.4 damage. |
Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.27 23:53:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Malcanis
Man, you could be on to something there. Let's just make things we don't like illegal and then they will never occur ever again!
BRILLIANT!
How about we make GTC=>ISK trades legal and there will be no ISK sales spam ever again! Brilliant!
Oh wait...
My god, you could be right. All situations could be clearly resolved with one completely correct solution and one utterly wrong solution!
BTW, 3 of my best friends in the game are reliant on buying GTCs for ISk to play. In fact my corp would be crippled if they couldn't play. Much as I don't like the idea of people effectively buying ISK, I like even less the idea of losing those 3. Given that people can and will buy ISK from eBay, etc, anyway, what would you suggest as a solution that still lets me have my friends in the game?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.27 23:55:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Caine 607
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Malcanis
Man, you could be on to something there. Let's just make things we don't like illegal and then they will never occur ever again!
BRILLIANT!
How about we make GTC=>ISK trades legal and there will be no ISK sales spam ever again! Brilliant!
Oh wait...
Hahaha... touche ! I'm with you on this Lazuran - get a job, pay your way and have your say !
Easy to say if you're not, as I assume, in a wheelchair. Possibly it's different in your country, but in mine, the disabled don't get munificent benefits, especially if they're unlucky enough to live in areas where there aren't enough jobs for the able-bodied.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.28 00:08:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Malcanis
BTW, 3 of my best friends in the game are reliant on buying GTCs for ISk to play. In fact my corp would be crippled if they couldn't play.
Oh noes, people who cannot pay for an MMOG can't play! As I have written further up: I'm sorry, but I don't care. If you cannot afford it, you should not play. Why should *my* game be crippled and skewed by ISK purchases just so your friends can play for free? I'm the paying customer.
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.28 00:10:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Setana Manoro
Now, what about the other type of guy that gets affected ?
EVE has a population average of 27yrs, that means usually ppl involved in a relation, with a career/job/family. Those ppl also do not have the time to make isk to play, because of their RL commitments.
If selling GTC's becomes illegal, you are not just kicking me in the nuts, but also them, who are actually a big minority in eve.
Yes, and thats exactly what's called RMT: buying ISK for cash. Some people buy ISK for cash (GTCs) because they, like you said, don't have time to be on par with others that spend hours mining... And others buy ******* Motherships and T2 BPOs with RL cash from a rich daddy!!
Whatever the reason is: CCP's official position on RMT is that it is not allowed.... yet we all know that RMT is very strong in EVE atm with the bloody GTCs cause of people like you.
I couldn't care less if you could transfer ISK directly to CCP for subscription (but of course, CCP won't make any money that way). What i do care about is people buying their way through the game with RL cash.
What's your excuse again for all of this? Oh that's right: you don't have the RL cash to pay for the game. Well, guess what. I don't have piles of RL cash laying around to buy me in-game stuff either, to compete with ******s that buy ISK for cash. So who is the selfish sob here?
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Above comments are my personal views
Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.11.28 00:28:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Lazuran
Oh noes, people who cannot pay for an MMOG can't play! As I have written further up: I'm sorry, but I don't care. If you cannot afford it, you should not play.
But they can afford it, thanks to GTC sales. Your argument doesn't even exist.
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Why should *my* game be crippled and skewed by ISK purchases just so your friends can play for free? I'm the paying customer.
So am I. Why do you think your game is crippled? Because you are comparing your status in game to those who sell GTC. So the same argument applies to you: if you can't pay, don't play! You think you deserve the same quality of gameplay I get, but you are not willing to buy and sell GTC like me. So take your own advice and STFU.
-- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.28 00:36:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
So am I. Why do you think your game is crippled? Because you are comparing your status in game to those who sell GTC. So the same argument applies to you: if you can't pay, don't play! You think you deserve the same quality of gameplay I get, but you are not willing to buy and sell GTC like me. So take your own advice and STFU.
Noone deserves to buy their way ahead in the game, not you and not me. When this is as commonplace as it sadly is, EVE is a RMT game like Second Life where clowns like you purchase genitals. ;-)
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.28 00:39:00 -
[45]
Gads, a lot of whining and griping for nothing.
Read the dev blogs from a few months ago. The plan is that CCP is going to allow players to buy time with ISK but only from them. GTCs will still be bought from external sources but cannot be traded for ISK and must actually be used for game time.
Time-frame is of course unknown, but we all know CCP moves slowly on things.
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.11.28 00:39:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Lazuran
Noone deserves to buy their way ahead in the game, not you and not me. When this is as commonplace as it sadly is, EVE is a RMT game like Second Life where clowns like you purchase genitals. ;-)
I already posted a thread about that, just this morning, in fact. Here
EVE is that kind of game. Adapt or be unhappy.
-- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.11.28 00:45:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Read the dev blogs from a few months ago. The plan is that CCP is going to allow players to buy time with ISK but only from them. GTCs will still be bought from external sources but cannot be traded for ISK and must actually be used for game time.
Have you got a link because this sounds preposterous, a good portion of players will farm ISK just to pay for their subs with ISK and then CCP will lose a whole bunch of subs and GTC sales.
And if they limit how many people can buy game time from them with ISK a lot of people will lose out and as they cant buy GTCs with ISK CCP will lose GTC sales. They would be slitting their own throats. And dont forget the problems it could cause with players using macros to farm ISK so they can buy game time from CCP plus the people who would buy ISK from ISK sellers to trade for GTCs from CCP.
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:04:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Read the dev blogs from a few months ago. The plan is that CCP is going to allow players to buy time with ISK but only from them. GTCs will still be bought from external sources but cannot be traded for ISK and must actually be used for game time.
Have you got a link because this sounds preposterous, a good portion of players will farm ISK just to pay for their subs with ISK and then CCP will lose a whole bunch of subs and GTC sales.
And if they limit how many people can buy game time from them with ISK a lot of people will lose out and as they cant buy GTCs with ISK CCP will lose GTC sales. They would be slitting their own throats. And dont forget the problems it could cause with players using macros to farm ISK so they can buy game time from CCP plus the people who would buy ISK from ISK sellers to trade for GTCs from CCP.
I think you mis-understand the intention behind it:
Y1)ou can ONLY use ISK to buy time if you are going through CCP.
2)When you do it automatically withdraws the ISK and adds the time to your account; you NEVER see the actual time code.
3)CCP sets the price, no longer will you haggle for how much a GTC is "worth" in ISK.
4)GTCs can still be bought and used to pay for time
5)The secure site currently used to do the ISK<>GTC transaction will be shut down
6)ANY other method of transferring ISK for time will be disallowed.
ISK sellers have no hold, they can only use external sites to sell you ISK and no GTC transactions. Players that sell GTCs for the ISK to fund their play time so they don't have to grind will now have to do their own work. Alliances that sell them by the dozens to fund their wars now have to do the work. Etc etc etc.
I will try to dig up the post, it was some 4 months ago. No guarentees with how the search functions work 
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:07:00 -
[49]
they have never said that it will happen and frankly you misunderstood HIM (and his mighty sig)
"IF" ccp were to sell timecodes for isk no MONEY changes hands, and they cant pay for the hardware ect, the company goes belly up and we end up with an earth and beyond
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:12:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Lazuran on 28/11/2007 01:12:21
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
they have never said that it will happen and frankly you misunderstood HIM (and his mighty sig)
"IF" ccp were to sell timecodes for isk no MONEY changes hands, and they cant pay for the hardware ect, the company goes belly up and we end up with an earth and beyond
Nonsense. People who want to pay ISK to buy game time can already do so, there's no reason why there should be more of those people if CCP sells the game time directly.
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:16:00 -
[51]
when did I say there would be more of them?
the simple fact is they would be "giving" away gametime for NOTHING which makes no sense
as the system works now, someone is still paying for the time, and even if they removed the approved method there would still be people doing it, so why remove that safety net?
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:18:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Lazuran
Nonsense. People who want to pay ISK to buy game time can already do so, there's no reason why there should be more of those people if CCP sells the game time directly.
Dude are you reading what your posting? if CCP implemented a system where every player could swap his/her ISK for game time from CCP you think people would continue to pay for their subscriptions?
They might as well make EVE free to play. Ive seen some codswallop on the forums before but this takes the biscuit.
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:18:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Malcanis
BTW, 3 of my best friends in the game are reliant on buying GTCs for ISk to play. In fact my corp would be crippled if they couldn't play.
Oh noes, people who cannot pay for an MMOG can't play! As I have written further up: I'm sorry, but I don't care. If you cannot afford it, you should not play. Why should *my* game be crippled and skewed by ISK purchases just so your friends can play for free? I'm the paying customer.
As I have written above, I'm sorry but I just don't care.
Oh look, I have CCP on my side too! Oh dear, sucks to be you. Have fun losing I guess, since you certainly don't sound like you're winning.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:22:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
Originally by: Lazuran
Nonsense. People who want to pay ISK to buy game time can already do so, there's no reason why there should be more of those people if CCP sells the game time directly.
Dude are you reading what your posting? if CCP implemented a system where every player could swap his/her ISK for game time from CCP you think people would continue to pay for their subscriptions?
They might as well make EVE free to play. Ive seen some codswallop on the forums before but this takes the biscuit.
I...
Eh, what's the use. Nothing we can say to him will get through.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:23:00 -
[55]
we could call his mother a dirty pirate hooker!
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:24:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
Originally by: Lazuran
Nonsense. People who want to pay ISK to buy game time can already do so, there's no reason why there should be more of those people if CCP sells the game time directly.
Dude are you reading what your posting? if CCP implemented a system where every player could swap his/her ISK for game time from CCP you think people would continue to pay for their subscriptions?
Why is it so hard to understand? Nothing is keeping people from paying with ISK right now, there are always enough people selling GTCs they bought with daddy's VISA card. Sure, *all* players at the same time cannot pay with ISK right now, but this is not what keeps most people from doing so.
Most EVE players have no problems paying their subscriptions (save some ISK farmers in poor 3rd world countries mostly), those who could but don't choose to are ingame rich people and people who do not value EVE enough I guess.
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:30:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Players that sell GTCs for the ISK to fund their play time so they don't have to grind will now have to do their own work.
Nah, we'd just take over making the monthly payments on our favorite players ME datacore alt's account, and let him continue to farm and grind for us. That's essentially what we're doing now. There just no way CCP nor anyone else can MAKE any particular person grind if they don't want to.
-- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:34:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
Originally by: Lazuran
Nonsense. People who want to pay ISK to buy game time can already do so, there's no reason why there should be more of those people if CCP sells the game time directly.
Dude are you reading what your posting? if CCP implemented a system where every player could swap his/her ISK for game time from CCP you think people would continue to pay for their subscriptions?
Why is it so hard to understand? Nothing is keeping people from paying with ISK right now, there are always enough people selling GTCs they bought with daddy's VISA card. Sure, *all* players at the same time cannot pay with ISK right now, but this is not what keeps most people from doing so.
Most EVE players have no problems paying their subscriptions (save some ISK farmers in poor 3rd world countries mostly), those who could but don't choose to are ingame rich people and people who do not value EVE enough I guess.
With the teeny tiny subtle difference that the actual game time is paid for by other players rather than being funded by CCP. Why on earth should CCP allow players to redeem ISK for game time? CCP do not want our ISK; ISK only has value to other players. Why would CCP give up real money to get ISK which they can spawn at will?
In essence, GTC sales are nothing more than:
Player A pays for player B to play the game in return for player B helping Player A in the game.
CCP do not need Player B's help. Why should they let him play if he won't give them real money?
Now if CCP introduced some kind of GTC exchange, where the Player Bs could buy time in day units for ISK that the Players A had put up for sale - GTC for ISK as a commodity, rather than a contract market then that might make sense. But I guess you'd hate that even worse than the current system. it would be suceptible to a number of... interpretations (eg: activate account for 1 day, change rank 8 skill, allow to lapse)
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:35:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Malcanis
Oh look, I have CCP on my side too! Oh dear, sucks to be you. Have fun losing I guess, since you certainly don't sound like you're winning.
Whatever you mean by "losing" and "winning" ... Have fun selling GTCs to ISK farmers to play "USD for epeens" online.
People who want a challenge and not "who pays, wins" like me will move on sooner or later.
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:39:00 -
[60]
sooner the better
post your password and we can even cancel your account FOR you to save you the trouble 
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:45:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Lazuran
People who want a challenge and not "who pays, wins" like me will move on sooner or later.
Your over reacting, if you dont want to trade GTCs for ISK you dont have to and it doesn't affect you except for your complaining about it. Your also in for a rude awakening as the trend for paying for extra game content is a growing one.
Check out XBox live they have "downloadables" where you buy Microsoft credits with real cash then trade these credits for game items. I played Chromehounds for 2 years and in the top end ultra competitive aspects of the game the top squads consisted of mechs almost entirely built with downloadables and it did suck a but having to buy the stuff to be competitive but if you weren't involved in the ultra competitive aspects it didn't affect anybody.
If CCP made it so you could buy ultra elite ships and items for RL cash that would probably wreck EVE I agree as that's a real unfair advantage, but selling a few GTCs doesn't hurt anyone and benefits the players and CCP.
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:47:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Malcanis
Oh look, I have CCP on my side too! Oh dear, sucks to be you. Have fun losing I guess, since you certainly don't sound like you're winning.
Whatever you mean by "losing" and "winning" ... Have fun selling GTCs to ISK farmers to play "USD for epeens" online.
People who want a challenge and not "who pays, wins" like me will move on sooner or later.
I've never bought or sold a GTC in my life. As for wanting a challenge, perhaps you didn't read a damb thing I've posted, but a challenge is WHAT I want from EvE.
As I posted in the other thread that beat this dead horse, I don't really LIKE GTC sales, but I ACCEPT them as the least worst alternative. Additionally as I have played the game, I have come to realise that they really just don't matter all that much. I'm sure you think that 200M or 400M is a huge imbalancing amount of ISK, and that's really sweet, but the fact is that I've mined about 180M worth of ore while I've been whoruming, and I pulled in about 100M in ratting earlier. Frankly, I don't NEED to buy GTCs (what with being so elite and all).
So... what next? Ban people who have spare time to play more? An assiduous ISK maker can pull in a couple of billion ISk a week without much problem for sure. Thats, what? 5x 90-day GTCs. How many people do you think are actually spending $200/week on GTCs? Not many, I'll bet.
Can you produce any evidence that GTC sales are affecting YOUR game? At all?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Aseite Lodis
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:50:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Malcanis
Man, you could be on to something there. Let's just make things we don't like illegal and then they will never occur ever again!
BRILLIANT!
How about we make GTC=>ISK trades legal and there will be no ISK sales spam ever again! Brilliant!
Oh wait...
you probably meant to say how about we make GTC=>ISK trade legal and let CCP gather more revenue from their game to hire more employees and more of quality employees to improve and develop the game for you, the player
the point of the allowing game time codes isn't to stop trial account bombarding our mailboxes with their friendship messages silly they will do that anyhow
all those of you who say get a job, pay for the game - just how am i going to get a job as a graduate student where my boss tells me that 60 hours a week is what he expects for a pay that puts me just above the poverty line? you want me to drop out of school? or not play this game in spare time just because it offends you somehow?
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:50:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
they have never said that it will happen and frankly you misunderstood HIM (and his mighty sig)
"IF" ccp were to sell timecodes for isk no MONEY changes hands, and they cant pay for the hardware ect, the company goes belly up and we end up with an earth and beyond
Perhaps you should read this thread:
ISK for GTCs for Cash Discussion
It was pretty plain what he intended. Whether it comes to pass or not is of course still up in the air, but he DID say it....
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:55:00 -
[65]
You might want to train up reading comprehension "Third Party" means "not CCP"
as in the secure method used for GTC purchases from other players
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.28 02:00:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
Originally by: Lazuran
People who want a challenge and not "who pays, wins" like me will move on sooner or later.
Your over reacting, if you dont want to trade GTCs for ISK you dont have to and it doesn't affect you except for your complaining about it.
I know several people who bought their Motherships with ISK they bought. It kills the fun of earning ingame ISK for me, ratting and missioning seems a pointless waste of time, even the free ISK I get from my R&D agents seems useless in comparison since it takes so long / so much effort to earn enough for a MS with expensive fittings that I simply won't bother (and yes, I could easily afford to dump 1000s of euros into a game, but it'd not only feel wrong, but also terribly stupid).
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Your also in for a rude awakening as the trend for paying for extra game content is a growing one.
Maybe, but EVE was a good game before the RMT became so widespread and I refuse to accept that it is by design such a bad game that it has to go the "boost your ego with your wallet online" and not the "try a fun and challenging game" route...
It seems that CCP has already chosen the former path (Ambulation), we'll see. Tabula Rasa was quite fun today (1st day). :-/
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.28 02:03:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 28/11/2007 02:04:30
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
You might want to train up reading comprehension "Third Party" means "not CCP"
as in the secure method used for GTC purchases from other players
lol, perhaps you should follow your own suggestion? Here, this might help:
Quote:
In the future, CCP will introduce a billing solution replacing the current system that allows the purchase of game time from third parties for in-game ISK. In essence, it will be possible for a time and ISK-rich, but financially challenged player to purchase game time directly from CCP. Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option.
I've highlighted the pertinent parts, like REPLACING and WILL NO LONGER 
Meaning you will no longer be able to do this through third parties, and no longer be able to convert GTCs to ISK.....
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.28 02:06:00 -
[68]
you fail to notice that that thread PREDATES the secure method iirc
the secure method WAS the final solution
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.28 02:09:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
Originally by: Lazuran
People who want a challenge and not "who pays, wins" like me will move on sooner or later.
Your over reacting, if you dont want to trade GTCs for ISK you dont have to and it doesn't affect you except for your complaining about it.
I know several people who bought their Motherships with ISK they bought. It kills the fun of earning ingame ISK for me, ratting and missioning seems a pointless waste of time, even the free ISK I get from my R&D agents seems useless in comparison since it takes so long / so much effort to earn enough for a MS with expensive fittings that I simply won't bother (and yes, I could easily afford to dump 1000s of euros into a game, but it'd not only feel wrong, but also terribly stupid).
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Your also in for a rude awakening as the trend for paying for extra game content is a growing one.
Maybe, but EVE was a good game before the RMT became so widespread and I refuse to accept that it is by design such a bad game that it has to go the "boost your ego with your wallet online" and not the "try a fun and challenging game" route...
It seems that CCP has already chosen the former path (Ambulation), we'll see. Tabula Rasa was quite fun today (1st day). :-/
So essentially, because some people you don't know and will likely never encounter are rumoured to have bought moms for money, EvE is ruined for you?
Did they buy those moms with GTC money? Hmmm 22B/400M = 55 x $40 GTCs. You're seriously telling me that several people in the game paid over $2000 to bu an internet spaceship?
If they didn't use GTC money, and there's no reason you've given me to suppose they have (a decent T2 BPO would buy 2 moms and you'd get change) but RMT ISK instead, then that's a completely seperate issue.
Oh yeah, one of the bob corps got hit with a 120Bn ISK corp theft. The guy that did that can buy a Titan AND a Mom And enough GTCs to play till he just doesn't care. You gonna quit over that too?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Aseite Lodis
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Posted - 2007.11.28 02:29:00 -
[70]
I don't really see the reason we should stop with GTCs.
In efforts to make the game completely fair we should also force everyone to have 1 account that can only play a maximum of 2 hours each day. It is offensive to me that someone can hold 10 accounts while i only have 3 and that other people spend 50+ hours a week playing EVE while I cannot spend this much time. It completely ruins the game for me and utterly destroys the competitive spirit of EVE that some unemployed or retired person can metagame all week long and I cannot. Because it is really the ISK and the time he can spend on the game that counts towards how uber he is in EVE, not how he actually plays or how he chooses to spend his time and ISK playing. So because i have expressed my indignation over the matter, and I'm right because I know I am, all extra accounts people hold should be closed and any account should be shut down after 2 hours of playing for the next 22 hours (oh and screw CCP's revenue from these accounts, i don't care).
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Caine 607
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.28 03:50:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Caine 607 on 28/11/2007 03:54:32
Originally by: Malcanis
...Easy to say if you're not, as I assume, in a wheelchair. Possibly it's different in your country, but in mine, the disabled don't get munificent benefits, especially if they're unlucky enough to live in areas where there aren't enough jobs for the able-bodied.
Naturally, I sympathise with anyone who is apparently so poverty-stricken that they can't afford to participate in a subscription based game however I don't support the socialist ethos and where I come from, the buyer has the final say.
As so many enlightened contributors have already pointed out on this thread, CCP doesn't want ISK since its empoyees can't pay for their weekly groceries with in-game currency so instead they rely on paying subscribers to support their non-paying counterparts whose only justification as far as I can see is that it somehow compensates for the hours of gameplay time they lost out on by pursuing constructive alternatives in the real-world so it's no wonder then just how defensive this particular demographic becomes when the subject of GTC's and its ethical ambiguity is raised.
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Estephania
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Posted - 2007.11.28 08:26:00 -
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It's surprising to see how many ppl are for this "pay to win" strategy in Eve. ISK is the "I win" button in Eve and you can stop giving examples of unskilled n00bs buying faction-fitted battleships and losing them to the 1-st low sec camp. Many RMT players are very skilled and will not lose their ships that easily. In any case, may be loads of RMT ISK will not save you in one specific fight, but strategically they place you in a winning position.
It is getting more and more difficult for the "normal" players to compete with 2 opposite sides of the spectrum that seem to complement each other. On the one side we have unemployed and students who burn 100 of hours per week in the game instead of studying or looking for a job, on the other hand we have RL rich overachievers who refuse to play the game as it was supposed to be played and buy everything with their RL cash. It seems we have a very good community forging here There only can be one outcome: Eve will lose it's appeal towards anyone but ppl who can play 100 h/week or those who play with their credit card. Everyone else will have no hope of competing with those 2 groups.
Like in any other MMORPG, in Eve RMT destroys the game. With GTC limitation in place, it will probably take more time for Eve to be destroyed by RMT, but it will happen eventually, because from the players' point of view it is absolutely unimportant who gets the cash, be it Chinese sweatshop owner or CCP, because the result is the same - someone is competing using out of game resources.
With RMT all that talk about "harsh and unforgiving world" is being thrown out of the window. If you are playing without RMT, losing a fight means something. But for RMT crowd it doesn't mean a thing. They just reach for their credit card and undock in a new ship like nothing happened.
Eve is a PvP and a competitive game, everything one group of players does, affects other groups. There's constant unrest at mission-runners and their easy ISK. But if the said runers don't even PvP how can they affect PvPers? They can, because everyone influences the economy. The same is true about RMT guys. The can use their unlimited buying power and influence the economy. Some can argue that ISK is not produced from the thin air in GTC business. No, it is not, but extreme concentration and unlimited buying power do influence the economy for everyone else.
In the coclusion I think it's a good place to repeat a sentence that reflects in the best way the effect GTCs have on Eve world:
Eve was a harsh and unforgiving world, until GTCs were introduced to gimp that concept completely.
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.11.28 09:31:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Estephania
With RMT all that talk about "harsh and unforgiving world" is being thrown out of the window. If you are playing without RMT, losing a fight means something. But for RMT crowd it doesn't mean a thing. They just reach for their credit card and undock in a new ship like nothing happened.
losing $20-100 every time your ship goes down still has gotta hurt
there's probably a very small percentage of people who truly have "unlimited buying power"
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.28 09:57:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Malcanis
So essentially, because some people you don't know and will likely never encounter are rumoured to have bought moms for money, EvE is ruined for you?
Reading comprehension ftw. I *know* they did.
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Did they buy those moms with GTC money? Hmmm 22B/400M = 55 x $40 GTCs. You're seriously telling me that several people in the game paid over $2000 to bu an internet spaceship?
Yes, and if you looked at the GTC sales more often, you would know that it happens. look at this e.g.
It's not hard to inform yourself a bit before you participate in a discussion and make yourself look completely ignorant.
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2007.11.28 10:09:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Steve Hawkings on 28/11/2007 10:10:41
Edited by: Steve Hawkings on 28/11/2007 10:10:17
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people playing for free and causing lag for those of us who pay
Stopped reading here, what a load of crap,
do you also realise that those who pay also cause lag to those who dont.
And if idiots want to spend ú2000 on a loads of pixels then let them, its their loss, it doesnt even affect you.
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Estephania
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Posted - 2007.11.28 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Hawkings
Edited by: Steve Hawkings on 28/11/2007 10:10:41
Edited by: Steve Hawkings on 28/11/2007 10:10:17
Quote:
people playing for free and causing lag for those of us who pay
Stopped reading here, what a load of crap,
do you also realise that those who pay also cause lag to those who dont.
And if idiots want to spend ú2000 on a loads of pixels then let them, its their loss, it doesnt even affect you.
It does when they kill your load of pixels with their load of pixels.
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