seriously, stop associating goonswarm with /b/. they are almost polar opposites - on SomethingAwful, you *will get banned* for trolling. Good posts are the norm and are what is expected. TEST has a lot more trolls than the Goons, including the lord of all trolls, DurrHurrDurr, who is perpetually getting banned and unbanned after diplomatic negotiations from Goon comms / services. Like, multiple times a week.

Goonswarm's culture promotes good posting, and boy are they good at it when it comes to things like State of the Goonion. TEST actively encourages shitposting. We're pretty good at that, ourselves. Though if these forums are any indicator, most of EVE is at least proficient.

If you want to look for /b/ in EVE, I have heard (never firsthand) that PL has its roots in /v/, and Elite Space Guild / Broski Enterprises / whatever they call themselves now (White Tree's group of guys) are directly associated with 4chan.

IMO once it gets filtered and shared with the general public, its propaganda. I kinda wish I could see all the crazy **** you guys say on your forums, TEST's are ridiculously hilarious themselves.

Goons are not /b/ thats is for definate. and when you said PL has its roots in /v/ i had to check for a sec as i thought that was the furry section (if you dont know what this is dont look it up you will hate all life forever)

Yiff.

I'm in freaking TEST. Trust me, the internet has done its job on me.

Goons are not /b/ thats is for definate. and when you said PL has its roots in /v/ i had to check for a sec as i thought that was the furry section (if you dont know what this is dont look it up you will hate all life forever)

I am pretty sure that Autistic Sharks is from /b/.

That's who I'm talking about. They split and regrouped and split and regrouped so many times now I don't have any concept of where they are now. But goddamn do I miss the times they were in TEST. And do I really want to go checking what ponies after dark is?

Also, I think this illustrates the TEST forums rather well. This is the title of a thread there right now:

"Bob Barkers **** after taking 300 mg of Viagra Discussion"

It's a deployment discussion.

Opened thread, saw you were a goon... decided what you had to say was not worth reading.

okay anime name guy from a nameless alliance

okay anime name guy from a nameless alliance

In which Andski reveals his knowledge of animes. Trap sprung.

Im quite sure that Andski nows exactly what a traps thread is. no hold on he does not frequent /b/

IMO once it gets filtered and shared with the general public, its propaganda. I kinda wish I could see all the crazy **** you guys say on your forums, TEST's are ridiculously hilarious themselves.

i am posting to inform you that i will not be voting for you in the coming CSM election.

your alliance's complete disregard for any other player outside your sphere of influence, the attitude and behavior of your alliance and thus your own attitude if an affront to civil people, and finally the most disastrous expansion leading to the largest protests i can remember happened wile your alliance was leading the CSM can only been seen at best as incompetence, or at worst a waste of CCP resources that could be spent on better things.

Before anyone accuses me of being butt hurt, i am merely stating what i view as the facts of the matter.

This is my main, not some forum alt, and i stand by my statements.

So what you're saying is that we're controlling your game

Google it. But vote for me first.

no, what i am saying is that i do not like how you play our game and i am not going to help you continue to push it into a direction i do not wish it to go.

i am posting to inform you that i will not be voting for you in the coming CSM election.

your alliance's complete disregard for any other player outside your sphere of influence, the attitude and behavior of your alliance and thus your own attitude if an affront to civil people, and finally the most disastrous expansion leading to the largest protests i can remember happened wile your alliance was leading the CSM can only been seen at best as incompetence, or at worst a waste of CCP resources that could be spent on better things.

Before anyone accuses me of being butt hurt, i am merely stating what i view as the facts of the matter.

This is my main, not some forum alt, and i stand by my statements.

we will immediately cease this behavior and push the game towards becoming a generic wow-clone in space where all PvP is consensual and scamming is bannable

thanks for letting us know meight oh seven

who said that, my dear goonie? if you think that your direction is the antithesis to becoming a "generic wow-clone in space where all PvP is consensual and scamming is bannable" then you just lend evidence that the failure of CSM 6 was cause by incompetence and delusion. Its just another point showing why i will not be voting for any goon.

Please tell me all about the failures of CSM 6 lmao

autism must be awesome

tell me were they accomplished anything? their failure comes from the fact that they only drain CCP resources and time and bring nothing to the game?

omewhere along the way, I began taking success for granted. As hubris set in, I became less inclined to listen to pleas for caution. Red flags raised by very smart people both at CCP and in the community went unheeded because of my stubborn refusal to allow adversity to gain purchase on our plans. Mistakes, even when they were acknowledged, often went unanalyzed, leaving the door open for them to be repeated.

laffo

you are so

dumb

looks like the CSM got the cold shoulder there. it seems to me that it was the community's involvement that lead to the change

try again

so i take that as you could not find any examples then.

it was a lovely chat, i hope we can do it again sometime.

also i find it hilarious that you blame CSM 6 for the failures of incarna while completely failing to give them any credit for the success of the crucible expansion

You do realize, I hope, that the CSM's only real role is to bring issues to the attention of the devs, which they freaking did, as your own link proves, right? That CSM6 spent most of their time yelling at CCP for how stupid their direction was? That they finally broke down and listened, heard the complaints of the EVE community as a whole filtered through the mouths of the CSM, noticed that it was all accurate, and decided for a change in direction?

You just proved the CSM did its job spectacularly, and you don't even realize it. Please don't breed.

if you can point me to were is says that in my link i would be happy to rescind my comment.

i blame them for the failing to do their job and keep the game in a playable state. it took the community to get crucible out of CCP, not the CSM, and that is why i will not vote for any member of CSM 6.

your alliance's complete disregard for any other player outside your sphere of influence, the attitude and behavior of your alliance and thus your own attitude if an affront to civil people, and finally the most disastrous expansion leading to the largest protests i can remember happened wile your alliance was leading the CSM can only been seen at best as incompetence, or at worst a waste of CCP resources that could be spent on better things.

even if I point them out - capital balancing, hybrid changes, fuel blocks, etc. - you'll just come up with some ~nobody wanted those things~ nonsense

i'm sure they were celebrating the imminent failure cascade of the game

you're expecting me to point out which parts CCP was motivated to focus on by the CSM

even if I point them out - capital balancing, hybrid changes, fuel blocks, etc. - you'll just come up with some ~nobody wanted those things~ nonsense

you're like akjon sperguson, just worse

We believe that the situation that has unfolded in the past week has been a perfect storm of CCP communication failures, poor planning and sheer bad luck. Most of these issues, when dealt with in isolation, were reasonably simple to discuss and resolve, but combined they transformed a series of errors into the most significant crisis the EVE community has yet experienced.

We hope that this meeting will be the first step in the restoration of trust between CCP and the EVE community, and we will keep the community informed as to CCP's efforts in delivering on the commitments they have made to us and to you.

i wonder what that whole emergency summit was about

i'm sure they were celebrating the imminent failure cascade of the game

> views the CSM as a powerless, irrelevant body
> makes angry posts all over CSM threads about the irrelevance of the CSM

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You do realize, I hope, that the CSM's only real role is to bring issues to the attention of the devs, which they freaking did, as your own link proves, right? That CSM6 spent most of their time yelling at CCP for how stupid their direction was? That they finally broke down and listened, heard the complaints of the EVE community as a whole filtered through the mouths of the CSM, noticed that it was all accurate, and decided for a change in direction?

just this one ;)

"no guys seriously the CSM is irrelevant and powerless everything happened because some idiots were shooting a statue in jita while unsubbing cyno accounts"

idiots shooting a statue, while unsubbing accounts, and having a lot of bad press being the cause of the change is drastically more likely then the CSM having affected the change.

you still haven't shown me where the CSM had any hand in the change of the direction of the game past "they were there when it happened"

until you do that you just waving your arms.

its funny to watch, but it still lack substance.

edit: bad heca, using effect instead of affect, shameful

you have to be incredibly special to not understand what I said.

no matter how much bullshit you and the other morons spew on the forums, the CSM actually wields significant influence if helmed by somebody who isn't socially inept

clearly any reason in you is clouded by bitterness over a hulk loss or something, shrug~

but of course, you can keep talking about the CSM's irrelevance while blaming them for all the failures of incarna (despite their irrelevance, lawl)

idiots shooting a statue, while unsubbing accounts, and having a lot of bad press being the cause of the change is drastically more likely then the CSM having affected the change.

you still haven't shown me where the CSM had any hand in the change of the direction of the game past "they were there when it happened"

until you do that you just waving your arms.

its funny to watch, but it still lack substance.

edit: bad heca, using effect instead of affect, shameful

Hello, space friends!

I just wanted to make a thread for all of youGÇöyes, even you!GÇöto let you know that you are my very best space friend, and that I am so very happy to have met and known you. I know that a lot of times there are some very angry, bitter or contrary words that get spit out on these forums, and overall it can sometimes leave a negative impression. But that's okay, because then there comes a moment when you realize that Lyris has kittens, and that you have a space friend named Lyris, and that correspondingly everything is just fine in the world of tomorrow. Today in kitten news, Bojangles took a nap on my jumper which left it covered in shed hair for which I was thoroughly embarrassed to discover. What a silly cat! Mittens the kitten, whom is not to be confused for Mittens the CSM7 candidate, during a fit of energy toppled a floor lamp, became frightened by the crash, and hid inside my left boot. She is growing up swiftly, and recently we had her spayed at the veterinarian's office. My fianc+¬e and I love our cats very much, and they are a great comfort whenever one of us is stressed about work or sad about people not knowing the good news that I am Lyris Nairn, space friend to all.

In closing, let's be friends! Oh, and vote for me for CSM7.

if there is "significant influence" to tossed around then surely you can find some nice documented evidence to back it up, but alas you again turn to insults.

and what hulk is that? i haven't lost one for over a year if memory serves, and it wasn't because of a goon i might add.

WE dont need to vote for you you have your goons for that, any vote given to a goon is a "wasted vote" like someone said

i'm sure that the CSM candidates spend so much energy on running their campaigns because iceland is such a great place to visit, with such attractions as the world's only phallological museum

The story behind it is ridiculous.

404 file not found. Now you got me hooked. What is the story????

Did Lyris get approx. 2,000 Spacebook Likes in less than a week? Moses wept.

Here's hoping for an all-Goon CSM in 2012. The ensuing uproar and general tinfoil hattery would easily provide a year's worth of quality entertainment.

i'm sure that the CSM candidates spend so much energy on running their campaigns because iceland is such a great place to visit, with such attractions as the world's only phallological museum

btw, http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-05-eve-csm-chairman-breaks-the-peace

the gaming press seems pretty fixated on the CSM!

There will be at least 1 TESTie, we are after all an alliance nearly as large as Goonswarm.

Personally I want to see as many niches as possible represented, there's gotta be at least one full time lowsec pirate, one mission runner, one wormholer. But 0.0 and WH players are exposed to the largest chunk of the game's mechanics and see its flaws pretty readily, so I openly welcome nullsec voting blocs taking up most seats.

So when is the next CSM election?

I know you all are having a blast trolling each other, but I'm honestly interested in the date for these elections. Gotta know when to put my votes up for auction. Not interested in all of this political business, but I am always looking for new commodities to trade.

I actually agree with you, and was mostly joking. I just want to watch the world burn, etc.

I'll probably be voting for a certain someone who may or may not be advocating changes to the "new player experience." Personally, I don't think there's any way to increase retention of new players as this game ages without pissing off veterans GÇö but I'd like to see some ideas bandied about. I've been surprised before.

inb4 Malcanis' Law

Did Lyris get approx. 2,000 Spacebook Likes in less than a week? Moses wept.

wow a bunch of articles about the same thing

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/14/feature/5582
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/04/07/eve-online-audience-with-the-king-of-space/
http://massively.joystiq.com/tag/council-of-stellar-management/ - wow look at all those tagged articles!!!!

btw that article wasn't written by mittens, it was only based on a CEO update that he crossposted to kugu

Hecatonis, are you aware that no one cares what you have to say here? All you've done is come in, ruin a fun thread, make unfounded claims, get proven wrong, and continue to argue your misconceptions. You're basically EVE's Bill O'Reilly, minus integrity.

okay feel free to continue to believe that the CSM is an irrelevant entity if it helps you sleep better at night ;p

You don't say? Well then! Please, share your thoughts.

i think you still dont understand, i believe that the CSM could be a great asset to the game, but that its potential is wasted by people who dont care enough, or use it as a joke.

all i said is that i am not voting for lyris or any other goon, not that i wasn't voting at all.

and having this thread at the top of GD helps others see what kind of people are running, good or bad, and i hope they choose better because of it. all in all, everyone wins.

I actually have a great deal to say on the subject, but no actual solutions to propose, so I elect to keep quiet.

I have a feeling that when the goons maintain their position in the CSM (hint: they will), you're still going to refuse to accept that its what the majority of EVE's players want. Classic problem of democracy - when people you don't agree with wins, *obviously* the vote was flawed. After all, everyone you know agrees with you!

Birds of a feather.

no, what i am saying is that i do not like how you play our game and i am not going to help you continue to push it into a direction i do not wish it to go.

a statment that is completely devoid of meaning when you look at the voter turn out

This thread is going to end in absolute disaster.

Don't trust a goon when he talks about new player experience.

They spoil them. They ruin the whole growing up/experience path.
They pick insecure people with no real self esteem and give them the false
feeling of might and awesomeness.

That said ... it's probably no loss, because smart people with character wouldn't join the goons anyway.

Yes, I am allergic go cats. In other news: Cats smell.

filters like that work. if someone is apathetic, and decides not to vote, how meaningful exactly would his vote have been if he had?

I don't see much loss in skipping all the boring faction grinding and missioning to start doing this on day 2 of your character's existence.

(He was the entire reason 3 tengus, a drake and an osprey were killed. hero tackle!)

Exceptions aren't the rule.

Don't trust a goon when he talks about new player experience.

They spoil them. They ruin the whole growing up/experience path.
They pick insecure people with no real self esteem and give them the false
feeling of might and awesomeness.

That said ... it's probably no loss, because smart people with character wouldn't join the goons anyway.

get rid of the CSM

You go girl :D

best thread in a while 10/10

If you're stupid enough to believe that, go ahead. Truth is, we just recruit from Something Awful. Don't even bother trying to throw that blanket on a forum with 150k+ members.

He thinks that's the exception.

While his particular day 2 kills were extremely shiny, pretty much every single newbro we bring on to fleets ends up doing something hilarious or awesome, eventually leading to the loss of his ship and several hundred million deposited in his wallet by fleetmates for the good time.

We make a point of keeping EVE fun, and giving new players a chance to experience the best parts of EVE before they burn out doing the **** they'd be doing otherwise.

And highsec activities are all roughly on par with the excitement of mission running. Most of us nullseccers didn't just jump straight into 0.0, we trudged through that crap. Hence why we make a point to make 0.0 accessible to our newbros - so they don't have to.

You're probably right, but couldn't you teach most of your members a bit more ... brains ... or ... manners ... too ?

Reputation: -1000001
Should never post again

nice goonfleet dot com forum rep lol

I believe it was you where i got the idea from ... that you spoil people and everything. Can't tell for sure,
but it was a goon who i got it from.

I can't tell if you were being honest, it just made sense that you were doing exactly what you said you're doing.

You're probably right, but couldn't you teach most of your members a bit more ... brains ... or ... manners ... too ?

You're an idiot.



Lyris is male.

It's great that you make it fun for people who pay to get to S.A., but what about the others ?

I'm sure having a CSM in your pocket comes in very handy for GoonWaffe.

Why have i always liked TEST more than the Goons anyway ?

I am not a member of SA. And Goonswarm is the only member of the CFC with that restriction.

Because you actually listened to the really, really old anti-goon propaganda that has been kicking around highsec since the days of BoB.

the pseudo-elitist thinking from people who are nothing else than ants with no brains.

the irony does not escape me

No, i'm sure i didn't. I don't listen to propaganda, i'm thinking for myself.

I believe it could be the behaviour. Not talking about ganking, mom killing or anything,
just the pseudo-elitist thinking from people who are nothing else than ants with no brains.

TEST, at least, seems to be different.

if you actually got to know our communities, your opinions would invert entirely.

We have two, actually! For the better part of a few weeks, we had three. Too bad Prometheus went back to Genos.

I'm sorry, it seems i wasn't using the right wording for you to understand.

You're an idiot, following an idiot.
I may be an idiot, but i don't follow anybody.

The sad part is that your group has so many idiots, you actually have an impact.

The reason a lot of people don't vote,is that they have no faith in the voting system or its candidates. So they can't vote for anyone anyway, casting a vote would be also a vote for the system of voting.

Or plainly put, using the system adds credibility to it.

Literally anyone can run. You don't like it, make some ripples and change it yourself.

Anyone can run, but why would I wish to be a CSM when my first course of action would be to disband the CSM?

EDIT: seriously, why are you holding on to this distaste when your exposure to Goonswarm was probably limited entirely to the ones who wander into highsec frequently? The guys heading to highsec are looking for easy marks to shoot / scam, because thats pretty much the only fun thing easier to do there.

there is that hint of anger in your posts that seems to stem from some prior encounter with members of my alliance

were you scammed? ganked? I'm sorry that you disagree with the way we play this game, but trying to belittle our intelligence because of it is unbecoming.

the goons are far too large a group to make a judgement about them without actually becoming immersed in their culture.

No, don't think so.

They are clearly something awful, yo!

My ideas re: new player experience/retention are all terrible. I'm waiting for someone in a position of perceived authority to spoon-feed me my opinion.

I actually have a great deal to say on the subject, but no actual solutions to propose, so I elect to keep quiet.

I have a feeling that when the goons maintain their position in the CSM (hint: they will), you're still going to refuse to accept that its what the majority of EVE's players want. Classic problem of democracy - when people you don't agree with wins, *obviously* the vote was flawed. After all, everyone you know agrees with you!

Birds of a feather.

A member of GoonWaffe, space friends?

I don't buy it!


The devil will be wearing a halo next.

Don't trust a goon when he talks about new player experience.

They spoil them. They ruin the whole growing up/experience path.
They pick insecure people with no real self esteem and give them
the false feeling of might and awesomeness.

That said ... it's probably no loss, because smart people with character wouldn't join the goons anyway.

One human is ... or may be ... intelligent.
Many humans, in a collective, are stupid.

I'm pretty sure that pun, if it can even be considered one, was already played out in 2001.

As for your assertion that "smart people with character wouldn't join the goons," I think you would be sorely disappointed to learn the number of Something Awful forums users with advanced or professional degrees.

I believe it was you where i got the idea from ... that you spoil people and everything. Can't tell for sure,
but it was a goon who i got it from.

I can't tell if you were being honest, it just made sense that you were doing exactly what you said you're doing.

You're probably right, but couldn't you teach most of your members a bit more ... brains ... or ... manners ... too ?

Thanks for caring.

Making a huge post on eve-o pointing out the methods in which we in Goonswarm cast our votes and use our numbers to an advantage to get our dudes getting elected is pretty crappy. Not that it's not obvious to everyone anyways, but you are here literally taking a stand against something that is good for our alliance, and advocating that it gets broken.

I'm not sure how you got into Goonwaffe, but I'm looking forward to the day you get commissar'd for being the huge pubby that you are.

I'm sorry, it seems i wasn't using the right wording for you to understand.

You're an idiot, following an idiot.
I may be an idiot, but i don't follow anybody.

The sad part is that your group has so many idiots, you actually have an impact.

Because you don't understand how powerful a force influence is (assuming you have social skills), and how much you can accomplish with it. Just look at this CSM, and the results they pushed for (Crucible as opposed to Incarna 2.0).

For example, if there is a single Gallente player who dislikes this CSM, all I can say is they are incredibly poorly informed victims of propaganda. That was pretty much White Trees main issue during the TEST primaries.

the goons are far too large a group to make a judgement about them without actually becoming immersed in their culture.

It also looks like many within Goonswarm don't much like the fact that everyone thinks you speak for them, when you actually don't.

So why don't you just tell us what you stand for, aside from voter reform (which will not get you elected, by the way)?

This thread is going to end in absolute disaster.

@ Lyris Nairn
What are the things, regarding the topics you'll advocate on behalf of the EVE community, that are in contradiction to the ones The Mittani will favour?

Hello, space friends!

I just wanted to make a thread for all of youGÇöyes, even you!GÇöto let you know that you are my very best space friend, and that I am so very happy to have met and known you. I know that a lot of times there are some very angry, bitter or contrary words that get spit out on these forums, and overall it can sometimes leave a negative impression. But that's okay, because then there comes a moment when you realize that Lyris has kittens, and that you have a space friend named Lyris, and that correspondingly everything is just fine in the world of tomorrow. Today in kitten news, Bojangles took a nap on my jumper which left it covered in shed hair for which I was thoroughly embarrassed to discover. What a silly cat! Mittens the kitten, whom is not to be confused for Mittens the CSM7 candidate, during a fit of energy toppled a floor lamp, became frightened by the crash, and hid inside my left boot. She is growing up swiftly, and recently we had her spayed at the veterinarian's office. My fianc+¬e and I love our cats very much, and they are a great comfort whenever one of us is stressed about work or sad about people not knowing the good news that I am Lyris Nairn, space friend to all.

In closing, let's be friends! Oh, and vote for me for CSM7.

I am very excited to see more goon candidates, in fact I'd like to see hundreds! (5000/100 =... votes per candidate.... )

Best of luck in the upcoming elections!

There will be no Goons voting for me. Commisar Mittens is chairman for life. Sorry to disappoint you.


edit: It's actually a stipulation of me being able to run at all without being kicked from GoonWaffe that my campaign be kept entirely off of Goonfleet dot Com, and that I do not encourage Goons to vote for me.

There will be no Goons voting for me. Commisar Mittens is chairman for life. Sorry to disappoint you.


edit: It's actually a stipulation of me being able to run at all without being kicked from GoonWaffe that my campaign be kept entirely off of Goonfleet dot Com, and that I do not encourage Goons to vote for me.

Yes sadly Issler, quite the opposite of what you where hoping. Lyris will not be dividing the goon vote, she'll be dividing yours.

Yes sadly Issler, quite the opposite of what you where hoping. Lyris will not be dividing the goon vote

Commisar Mittens is chairman for life.

Lyris Nairn,

Although I have greatly appreciated your various textual cultural products which were crafted on the popular EVE GATE holonet site for capsuleers, I must inform you that you have gone too far this time.

Space friend, I am reporting you to the GIA for Null Treason. Catering to the Empire space publicus is a crime punishable by instant reeducation. Although you were always kin to both Goon and the races of man, a week of enhanced interrogation techniques will do you much good.

May your reformatting be prompt and decisive.

Lyris will you be my space friend?

Can a man and a women truly just be space friends? What is your position on this issue space friendship high marshall Lyris Nairn?

Anyone can run, but why would I wish to be a CSM when my first course of action would be to disband the CSM?