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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Cedric Diggory on 29/11/2007 15:39:02
 Originally by: Esmenet
You are. If you are that desperate for the new graphics, go to your local computershop and get a sm3 card from the bargain bin. If you can afford to pay for your sub, you can afford to buy a graphics card that can run trinity.
And experience framerates of 10-15 in combat? There are very few AGP setups that will cope with this, it's really pushing the bar up considerably and hence merit a full system upgrade. Don't get me wrong, this is still a necessity - it'd just be nice if there was something to bridge the gap between the classic and premium content
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You mean like the new ships etc coming in the new free expansion?
That's a little love for us all! 
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It's also worth noting that according to the most recent valve gamer hardware survey, 64% (and rising) of gamers have a SM3 card, and only 18% (and dropping) have a SM2 card. Roughly half of those 18% are Radeon 9000 series cards that are only pure SM2, and roughly another half are Radeon X000 series with SM2b.
Which brings us nicely back to my point: why no survey of Eve users?
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:40:00 -
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As has been pointed out if you want th nice new content get a newer card, personally i'm waiting on the DX10 SM4 client to play with thats going to be very nice ^^
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Haldir Ravenclaw
Ordo Occultus Deus
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:24:00 -
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I love the fact most peoples reply in this is along the lines of "if you don't have a SM3 GPU, stfu and go buy one you cheap noob". Not exactly a well thought out answer, I must say. I for one run an old "dinosaur" of a computer by today's standards (ATi X800, 1GB RAM, P4 3.2GHz, nearing 4 years old, not even PCI-E!) and won't be able to run the shiny stuff when Trinity touches down. Sure, I find it slightly annoying that the best I can do is look at pictures for the time being, but I'm not going to simply purchase a SM3 GPU for this computer only for it to run at extremely bad FPS. But for now, even on the test server, I like the increased speed of the original graphics with the updated engine so I'm quite happy with that for now.
In the new year I'll be upgrading to a completely new PC anyway, but I won't be complaining at the fact I want more stuff because it'll be Windows Vista and a DirectX 10 graphics card with SM4 on it (or whatever a 8800GT has). Be grateful we still get to play with the new content, even though it doesn't look as shiny, as this graphics upgrade doesn't affect your gameplay (other than the improved engine and fps etc, as already stated somewhere in a dev blog) and you can still go about your business as normal. Until the day I upgrade, I'll still be playing EVE as it is now, with the new content but without shiny stuff.
Bring it on I say... EVE will still be around if, and when, people decide to upgrade their computers. All these low-end SM3 cards are dirt cheap now (even for AGP), and will be even cheaper later on if your not after a super-duper high-end computer. Hell, if you want to be even cheaper, check eBay!
But good job to CCP for the graphics improvement, looks awesome!  I'll be able to play with it as soon as I get my new PC! 
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Bonny Lou
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:13:00 -
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So CCP should support DX8, DX9 SM2, DX9 SM3 and later DX10??? ok dude...
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petergriffen
Amarr
Dufrene Holdings. INC
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Posted - 2007.11.29 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: petergriffen on 29/11/2007 19:27:39
Comments that the new engine will run "slower" on SM2 cards are unfounded. The new engine is based in DirectX 9... One of the HUGE ADVANTAGES to DX9 is that it offloads most of the graphics work from the CPU to the GPU, leaving your CPU available to handle whatever is left over. If you're running a DirectX 9 capable card, whether it's Shader Model 1, 2, 12 or -50, you WILL see a performance increase. It's when all the shiny new shaders, textures, lighting, shadows etc. are added in that the slowdown will occur.
Despite what people seem to think, you ARE getting an engine upgrade, one that will, in all likeliness, perform a hell of a lot better than the old DX7/8 engine.
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Cardice Makar
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.11.29 20:13:00 -
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I would just like to point out that, in most games, 'trinity' would be a new game.
You would get the honour of going out and buying a replacement game.
Your old game and progress would be marked as obsolete.
You would need to upgrade your machine to play it.
And, at that point you've both bought a new game and a new graphics card anyway.
The only difference is, now, that instead of being a whole new game, you can keep playing and infact switch back and forth between the two at will.
I personally see this as a reasonable choice. CCP chose the shader path they wished to use. A great deal of people are dwelling on capabilities of the current engine, but aren't taking into account that they plan on releasing new effect packages and overhauling other systems. Perhaps this is why they chose SM3 support?
Trinity1 stood up to nearly 7 years of abuse, [beta testing included], and still looks good. Trinity2 is supposed to stand up to a further 7 years. How many MMO's have survived 5-7 years and are expecting to have the SAME MMO survive another 7? Keeping your options open is a very wise move, I'm just sorry that you're unable to play with the new graphics settings. Perhaps in the coming months you will find the ability to make use of the new graphics content.
The future is bright, just keep that in mind. We can all still play the same game 
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Mikelio Raijan
Sulithus
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Posted - 2007.11.29 20:26:00 -
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*Points and laughs at the PS2 people*
Oh hi, some of us are running PS4 now... time to think about upgrading maby?
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 20:28:00 -
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I have one thing to ask for: change paladin skin on old GFX. As i cant run new one (10 ships on screen = FPS drop to negative numbers) id like at least yto have decent (read: not pink) ships in amarr line...
As for old gfx: at least i will have GOOD looking absolution.
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Freyya
Under the Wings of Fury
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2007.11.29 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Freyya on 29/11/2007 21:07:47
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
(10 ships on screen = FPS drop to negative numbers)
Cool!! so you can actually go back in frames and change a decision if it turns out to be a bad one? me wants
Anyways for all ya'll; Go get a Ati HD3850 or HD3870 or nVidia GT8800...they're rather cheap for their good performance, SM4/dx10 compliant aswell + PCI-e 2.0... so actually pretty futureproof atm..
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Freyya
Edited by: Freyya on 29/11/2007 21:07:47
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
(10 ships on screen = FPS drop to negative numbers)
Cool!! so you can actually go back in frames and change a decision if it turns out to be a bad one? me wants
Yep - there is a swithc in GFX options for old/new content. Only minus of having new content but using old is that 1gig tumor your EVE copy will carry ;p
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Zekarus
Caldari
MAIDS
Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mikelio Raijan
*Points and laughs at the PS2 people*
Oh hi, some of us are running PS4 now... time to think about upgrading maby?
University student. Athlon XP 2800+, 1GB RAM, GF 7600GT AGP. So **** you.
Not all of us have enough income to be able to afford a new computer, many of my friends can barely pay the rent.
As for many people, surely if you have an old rig (like I do), you must be used to this kind of rejection by now? Every time someone talks about how they can run CoD4 or Crysis, I die a bit inside. 
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2007.11.29 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zekarus
Originally by: Mikelio Raijan
*Points and laughs at the PS2 people*
Oh hi, some of us are running PS4 now... time to think about upgrading maby?
University student. Athlon XP 2800+, 1GB RAM, GF 7600GT AGP. So **** you.
Not all of us have enough income to be able to afford a new computer, many of my friends can barely pay the rent.
As for many people, surely if you have an old rig (like I do), you must be used to this kind of rejection by now? Every time someone talks about how they can run CoD4 or Crysis, I die a bit inside.
study, as you are , and soon you'll be able to buy a top notch PC 
chin up (no I won't tell you what I have in my rig as you will commit hara kiri)
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Mikelio Raijan
Sulithus
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Posted - 2007.11.29 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Zekarus
Originally by: Mikelio Raijan
*Points and laughs at the PS2 people*
Oh hi, some of us are running PS4 now... time to think about upgrading maby?
University student. Athlon XP 2800+, 1GB RAM, GF 7600GT AGP. So **** you.
Not all of us have enough income to be able to afford a new computer, many of my friends can barely pay the rent.
As for many people, surely if you have an old rig (like I do), you must be used to this kind of rejection by now? Every time someone talks about how they can run CoD4 or Crysis, I die a bit inside.
You have a SM3 card. So **** you too.
It's the tarts that want to halt graphics progress altogether because they don't want to/can't upgrade... but somehow want better graphics (with no performance loss?) that are annoying me.
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Draeca
federation navy taskforce
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Posted - 2007.11.29 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bimjo
study, as you are , and soon you'll be able to buy a top notch PC
chin up (no I won't tell you what I have in my rig as you will commit hara kiri)
Yeah, maybe I can buy a new top of the line PC too when I finish my studies and find a well paid job. The problem is that I still have 3 and a half years left, and I'm allready running almost 3 year old laptop with mob. radeon x600 (which actually runs crysis, I was quite surprised).
I also happen to have a lovely hobby called music, which is all about getting new shiny and expensive instruments. And I can barely pay my rent right now so I'm really tight on cash for the next few years.
This sucks, but whatever.. I just have to live with it..
I don't know how hard it might be to implement, but would be awesome if the people with "lesser" rigs could run the old graphics engine with new models and toned down textures without all the fancy shaders and stuff.
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CCP Gangleri
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Posted - 2007.11.29 22:55:00 -
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There are two clients, if you can not run the new content then you have the option of running the classic client with the new and upgraded engine.
If you want better graphics you need to buy better hardware.
Locking this thread.
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