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Vergil 577 Gallente MAIDS Antesignani Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.29 09:27:00 - [61] For all those people complaining I'd just like to clarify the old graphics engine is still available the old graphics engine does not affect your game play (Other than fps differences). For those complaining about the Trinity graphics not being SM2.0 compatible it's because your graphics card is simply unable to process the data required it's a hardware limitation not the fault of CCP. And for an SM 3.0 graphics card you could try a 6600GT if you have DX 9.0 it has software support for SM 3.0 which just so happens to be what I'm using currently. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone but this is a physical limitation of your hardware. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ChimeraRouge Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.29 09:28:00 - [62] /signed SM2.0 only please
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.29 09:38:00 - [63] Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: DMF KingBob may should delete the trininty Trailer from my desktop to stop thinking about and keep watching by the Revelation 2 Trailer or does CCP make an Trinity Classic Trailer for me and the other non-SM3 Dx9 Grafikcard users ? So because your graphic card is from the stone age every other Eve-player should suffer from this and not get upgraded graphics? Well said. It's great being Amarr isn't it. Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Matrix Aran Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.29 09:40:00 - [64] At this stage it's far to late to ask for SM2 support. The engine has been coded and in development for the past year, let alone the fact the moddels were designed to use SM3 (Normal Maping, Bloom, HDR, etc..). Anyone still using an AGP motherboard can visit thier local PC graveyard and easily salvage a 6800 series GeForce card which will allow you to experience SM3 at the lovely 10 frames a second you insist on enjoying. Should you feel this isn't fast enough for 350Ç you can build a new PC with a PCI-E slot and access to far better cards for the next three years. For anyone whom does not want to spend money on a new computer, trinity classic is still avalible and will probably be the client of choice for PVPers for years to come. ----
Vergil 577 Gallente MAIDS Antesignani Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.29 09:43:00 - [65] Originally by: Matrix Aran Anyone still using an AGP motherboard can visit thier local PC graveyard and easily salvage a 6800 series GeForce card which will allow you to experience SM3 at the lovely 10 frames a second you insist on enjoying Actually my 6600GT 128MB GDDR3 AGP 8x doesn't seem to run that slow as long as I don't do something stupid like turn bloom rendering on, mind you this graphics card is an ancient build of graphics card with the 7 and 8 series already out. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nye Jaran	Posted - 2007.11.29 10:07:00 - [66] Originally by: ChimeraRouge /signed SM2.0 only please Blow that! There's no reason I should get nice shiny graphics because your graphics card can't support it. Just run low settings / don't snag the new textures and you'll be all good. I'll run max settings with every option turned on with the new textures and I'll be all good.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2007.11.29 10:57:00 - [67] CCP have every right (nay an obligation) to develop their graphics engine using industry standard technologies, and this means that the SM3 requirement for the new models is perfectly justifiable. For the record, I run on an old Radeon 9800. It would have been nice to see a hardware survey done to see how many of their customers really would benefit from this. Trinity has long been touted as the best thing to happen to eve in a long while, and I find the lack of an early announcement that those who have not yet switched onto a PCI-E based system with the relevant generation of graphics card would see no benefit of it. Hell, even using classic content I've lost a good 10-15 FPS on average and experience frequent loss of textures and slow texture loading times. I can only dread how this will affect combat... In short, I feel the release of this engine has been done in a disingenuous manner, but I will not sign for SM2 only. I'd love to see some graphical upgrades for us low end users (new textures please?) but CCP should use whatever technologies at their disposal they can to get the best performance and aesthetics out of their content. I digress though. I know I for one lost interest in eve a while back, and was holding off to see what Trinity would be like; too see if a graphical upgrade could pique my interest in the game again. From what I've seen, my subscription will not be renewed. For those of you who will doutbless ask, my stuff stays with me: I will be back when I can justify the outlay to replace my entire rig to play a single game. To summarise, the users should have been surveyed on their hardware to see just how much of the community would be left "hanging" with this change, and it would be nice to see some graphical update for lower end machines - even if it's just improved texturing, which certainly would not require SM3...
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.29 10:58:00 - [68] Originally by: St'oto go buy a Nvidia Geforce 7900 GT it runs the new graphics engine + the models like a dream. Plus its not that expensive. I love this card even tho this christmas im upgrading to a 8800 GT My advice is to get an x1900GT/x1950GT since they are faster/cheaper than the 7900GT --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.29 11:01:00 - [69] Originally by: Cedric Diggory CCP have every right (nay an obligation) to develop their graphics engine using industry standard technologies, and this means that the SM3 requirement for the new models is perfectly justifiable. For the record, I run on an old Radeon 9800. It would have been nice to see a hardware survey done to see how many of their customers really would benefit from this. Trinity has long been touted as the best thing to happen to eve in a long while, and I find the lack of an early announcement that those who have not yet switched onto a PCI-E based system with the relevant generation of graphics card would see no benefit of it. Hell, even using classic content I've lost a good 10-15 FPS on average and experience frequent loss of textures and slow texture loading times. I can only dread how this will affect combat... In short, I feel the release of this engine has been done in a disingenuous manner, but I will not sign for SM2 only. I'd love to see some graphical upgrades for us low end users (new textures please?) but CCP should use whatever technologies at their disposal they can to get the best performance and aesthetics out of their content. I digress though. I know I for one lost interest in eve a while back, and was holding off to see what Trinity would be like; too see if a graphical upgrade could pique my interest in the game again. From what I've seen, my subscription will not be renewed. For those of you who will doutbless ask, my stuff stays with me: I will be back when I can justify the outlay to replace my entire rig to play a single game. To summarise, the users should have been surveyed on their hardware to see just how much of the community would be left "hanging" with this change, and it would be nice to see some graphical update for lower end machines - even if it's just improved texturing, which certainly would not require SM3... The shaders are too long for SM2 so unless you want them to waste a couple of years of coding time on an obsolete set of graphics cards that in a year or two will hardly be around, well........ --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Maliber Art of War	Posted - 2007.11.29 11:13:00 - [70] Edited by: Maliber on 29/11/2007 11:15:03 pfff go buy a new card or go cry somewhere else. CCP has done a nice job with the new graphics and im sorry they didnt specificly tailer everything just for you. I mean if you can afford to play the game you can afford a older sm 3.0 compatible card. p.s. you can alway grind the isk for 2 gametimecards and save you subscibtion money and buy a card from that.
Beowulf Scheafer Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.29 11:14:00 - [71] Originally by: DMF KingBob no not every for bio shock exist a shader fix for SM2 Supreme Commander shows me a good Grafik Call of Duty 4 too Unreal Tournament 3 too TES4 Oblivion too Prey too Crysis too!!!(yes i know the framerate is not the best) yes, but eve doesn't :-P sux to be you, eh?
Jimbob McKracken Caldari The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.29 11:27:00 - [72] Edited by: Jimbob McKracken on 29/11/2007 11:30:39 EBAY is your friend, seriously guys. Maybe if you had gone for cards with decent SM support, all those years ago, instead of the highest numbers in 3D Mark you might be able to run the new Trinity client. One of my friends recently picked up a 7600GT for around ú40, sure its not cutting edge but you'd be able to run Trinity at 1024 x 768. If you want something more "high end" there are 7900GT from around ú50 - ú80. It's not a huge amount of money, especially with christmas near, and more to the point EvE is nearly 10 years old and its hardware requirements have hardly changed. CCP wanted something that would look good in 5 years time, supporting SM2 would be such a monumentally stupid move, how can an engine be futureproofed if its designed to run on cards from 5 years ago, cards like the ATI X8 series. At least if your running an Nvidia 6 series you can smile right now. I whole heartedly appove of the SM3 engine and would quit EvE if they spend development time on their "new" engine to incorporate support for computers too old to run the fancy graphics in the first place. PC's have never been cheaper - Upgrade or play classic. EDIT - At least CCP are maintaining the old client there are companies that would have just abandoned the old client.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.29 11:29:00 - [73] Originally by: DMF KingBob Edited by: DMF KingBob on 28/11/2007 17:19:08 A64 x2 3800 3gb ram x800xl this is not low end dude ccp should have a user stat of the users hardware They have, and decided that people don't need new hardware to keep playing the game. You can still play the game, albeit at a dx8 level. First, your card is 3 years old now. Trinity has been made to be new, not old. Trinity are the high settings in the game, which require sm3.0. Your card is not compliant with dx9.0c, it is only compatible. Note the difference between those words. You cannot enable all effects in Crysis, you can't go beyond low settings in that game. It's the same in EVE, you can't go beyond low settings, ie the old engine. The new engine are the high settings, for newer cards. Your card isn't new. If you still aren't getting this, please kill yourself, as you are a danger to our evolution. EVE History Wiki
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2007.11.29 11:44:00 - [74] Quote: pfff go buy a new card or go cry somewhere else. CCP has done a nice job with the new graphics and im sorry they didnt specificly tailer everything just for you. I mean if you can afford to play the game you can afford a older sm 3.0 compatible card. I work as an IT admin, and as such can create a "hardware failure" at the office that will enable me to get an SM3 compatible AGP card for my home rig. However, to be able to do anything more than look at the new engine struggling away at 10-15fps, I will require to replace my entire rig - it's certainly getting a little long in the tooth now, but from a personal perspective I can't justify the outlay of a new PSU/Motherboard/CPU/Memory/Graphics for a single game. The simple fact is that with the introduction of the Premium content and no change to the Classic content, there now exists a bigger gulf between graphical quality in Eve than in any other game I know. It's for this reason alone that I post here. I simply wish that we users had been surveyed and/or been told in no uncertain terms that the time is now, start planning that new rig. It's not a whine, it's a lament!
Kina Putten Amarr Noble House	Posted - 2007.11.29 11:49:00 - [75] Just use the old gfx, it's faster and there are no bugs. All we got from this new gfx is louse performance and nothing else, alltho we were promised better performance with this new stuff. Fact is, they added new shiney stuff for kids to look at and yammer about, but none of this will change gameplay. And TBFH it's not all that great anyways.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.29 11:58:00 - [76] Originally by: Cedric Diggory I work as an IT admin, and as such can create a "hardware failure" at the office that will enable me to get an SM3 compatible AGP card for my home rig. However, to be able to do anything more than look at the new engine struggling away at 10-15fps, I will require to replace my entire rig - it's certainly getting a little long in the tooth now, but from a personal perspective I can't justify the outlay of a new PSU/Motherboard/CPU/Memory/Graphics for a single game. The simple fact is that with the introduction of the Premium content and no change to the Classic content, there now exists a bigger gulf between graphical quality in Eve than in any other game I know. It's for this reason alone that I post here. I simply wish that we users had been surveyed and/or been told in no uncertain terms that the time is now, start planning that new rig. It's not a whine, it's a lament! It does not in any way make sense for ccp to make a new engine if they base it on outdated technology. The old engine will still be supported so what is the problem? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Sleepkevert	Posted - 2007.11.29 12:00:00 - [77] Originally by: Kina Putten Just use the old gfx, it's faster and there are no bugs. All we got from this new gfx is louse performance and nothing else, alltho we were promised better performance with this new stuff. Fact is, they added new shiney stuff for kids to look at and yammer about, but none of this will change gameplay. And TBFH it's not all that great anyways. Try turning everything off (shadows to none, AA off, HDR off) And tell me again how the performance has decreased... Off course, running everything with the fancy stuff on high settings requires a hell of a machine (one that currently doesn't exist, even the latest 8xxx series from nVida get single digits FPS on extreme settings ) _______ Sign my sig!
Coeleth The Divine Comedy	Posted - 2007.11.29 12:06:00 - [78] The dx8 graphics work fine on SiSi right now :) Meanwhile, you can buy an agp SM3.0 nvidia or ati card for nothing. In fact, the absolute best agp nvidia card you can get, which is, I believe, the 7950GT, only costs about ú135 and I'm sure it'll run trinity just fine. My 6600LE just ran trinity just fine in a fleet fight on Sisi with HDR turned on, so what's the panic people?
DMF KingBob	Posted - 2007.11.29 12:18:00 - [79] Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: DMF KingBob Edited by: DMF KingBob on 28/11/2007 17:19:08 A64 x2 3800 3gb ram x800xl this is not low end dude ccp should have a user stat of the users hardware They have, and decided that people don't need new hardware to keep playing the game. You can still play the game, albeit at a dx8 level. First, your card is 3 years old now. Trinity has been made to be new, not old. Trinity are the high settings in the game, which require sm3.0. Your card is not compliant with dx9.0c, it is only compatible. Note the difference between those words. You cannot enable all effects in Crysis, you can't go beyond low settings in that game. It's the same in EVE, you can't go beyond low settings, ie the old engine. The new engine are the high settings, for newer cards. Your card isn't new. If you still aren't getting this, please kill yourself, as you are a danger to our evolution. 1. i know what the Shadermodels from my gpu means 2. Crysis shows me Bumpmaping/Shadows/better Textures/Higher Polygonmodels or thinking about X3 Reunion that shows me the same good Grafik an thats all on my very very very old stone age low end Powerfull Dx9b Grafikcard 3.never say someone that he has to kill himself just while he has an other meaning like yours this is absolutly respectless then you can see in other parts of the world say the rich amarican-guy(maybe you) to the poor islam guy the same and the islam guy do this with fullness of his proud and then you can see bodyparts and blood in TV but maybe you like this it just TV and not for your house or in your town allright? but maybe are u not Intelligent enough or your brain is simply too small but Apes has small brains too and are Intelligent Animals.... and please dont post your omg-i-am-so-rich-other-meanings-dont-interest-me-you-can-kill-your-self-spam here k?
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.29 12:19:00 - [80] This is an outrage! I want support for my 3dfx voodoo !!
DMF KingBob	Posted - 2007.11.29 12:23:00 - [81] Originally by: MOS DEF This is an outrage! I want support for my 3dfx voodoo !! lol then make your own thread call it "texture resolution over 64x64 sucks"
Sleepkevert	Posted - 2007.11.29 12:23:00 - [82] Edited by: Sleepkevert on 29/11/2007 12:24:37 First of all, generalization is bad mkay? And so is insulting other races... Forum ban might be appropriate here... Originally by: DMF KingBob Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: DMF KingBob Edited by: DMF KingBob on 28/11/2007 17:19:08 A64 x2 3800 3gb ram x800xl this is not low end dude ccp should have a user stat of the users hardware They have, and decided that people don't need new hardware to keep playing the game. You can still play the game, albeit at a dx8 level. First, your card is 3 years old now. Trinity has been made to be new, not old. Trinity are the high settings in the game, which require sm3.0. Your card is not compliant with dx9.0c, it is only compatible. Note the difference between those words. You cannot enable all effects in Crysis, you can't go beyond low settings in that game. It's the same in EVE, you can't go beyond low settings, ie the old engine. The new engine are the high settings, for newer cards. Your card isn't new. If you still aren't getting this, please kill yourself, as you are a danger to our evolution. 2. Crysis shows me Bumpmaping/Shadows/better Textures/Higher Polygonmodels or thinking about X3 Reunion that shows me the same good Grafik an thats all on my very very very old stone age low end Powerfull Dx9b Grafikcard Then go back to playing crysis, no-one is forcing you to play EVE? Damn you still don't get this do you? Do you expect to be able to run EVE on HIGH settings or not? You won't be able to run it on HIGH with that card, just like you CAN'T run Crysis on HIGH with that card... Originally by: DMF KingBob and please dont post your omg-i-am-so-rich-other-meanings-dont-interest-me-you-can-kill-your-self-spam here k? He never said he had a graphics card that can run it? For all you know, he has the same graphics card you have, BUT atleast he understands that the new EVE engine is made for SM3, not 2.... Also, while you'r at it, learn how to spell "graphics card".... _______ Sign my sig!
DMF KingBob	Posted - 2007.11.29 12:45:00 - [83] back 2 topic please this means dont post if u have no problem with only SM3.0 too
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.11.29 13:10:00 - [84] Originally by: DMF KingBob this means dont post if u have no problem with only SM3.0 too 1. A petition only thread, without allowing debate is against forum rules 2. A petition where you ask those who are in disagreement with you to NOT post or contribute is also a no no and removes any credibility that your thread had. 3. SM2 will be in Trinity but you don't seem to want to understand that fact SM2 ONLY in Trinity /NOT signed SM3 ONLY in Trinity /NOT signed SM2 and SM3 in Trinity , no need to petition as that is how it will be
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.11.29 13:12:00 - [85] Edited by: Bimjo on 29/11/2007 13:12:46 And SM2 with new shiny graphics will NOT happen as they needed the extra instructions and features SM 3.0 gave CCP programmers check it out for yourself here
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.29 13:33:00 - [86] Originally by: petergriffen Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Originally by: CCP Explorer There is a really good reason for requiring SM 3 for the new Premium Graphics Content in EVE Online: Trinity. We use very complicated shaders in the new art content with much more instructions than SM 2 supports. Tongue-in-cheek , but... There's this thing called optimization, ever heard of it? Yes, optimization to SM2 is called SM3. They upgraded, you should too! Sorry, but you missed the mark here. For one, my machine is sm3 capable. The entire point of my post was: SM3 allows the use of more instructions per shader than SM2. Does the achieved visual quality reflect this, or could the same look not be achieved within SM2's limits through the use of optimized code? Look at the PS2 - some of the constraints developers had to work with on that machine were outrageous, yet the visual quality achieved by some games was simply stunning. Either way, as I originally said, it was a tounge-in-cheek remark, nothing that I'm too concerned about. After all, setting the lower limit at DX9 SM3 creates a lot of space for future improvements. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
nomis ekoobmah Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:18:00 - [87] Originally by: Arana Tellen The shaders are too long for SM2 so unless you want them to waste a couple of years of coding time on an obsolete set of graphics cards that in a year or two will hardly be around, well........ ... but they are not too long for DX9.0b compliant cards such as the Radeon X700, X800 and X850 which all support long shaders. True there are other limitations but the shaders should work OK.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:34:00 - [88] Quote: It does not in any way make sense for ccp to make a new engine if they base it on outdated technology. The old engine will still be supported so what is the problem? To rehash, the new ENGINE is supported just fine on any DX9 (probably even DX8) card. It's the textures and models that are SM3 (DX9c) only, not the engine. The "Classic" content is still the new engine, it's just the original graphics running on aforementioned engine. What I'd like to see is a little bit of love for those of us who continue to pay our subs, but can't justify upgrading just quite yet. I don't think anyone running an older card would ever expect to get mind boggling graphics, but you seem to fail to comprehend that those of us with cards that are not SM3 compliant receive nothing from this update - save a degradation in client performance. Please correct me if I'm truly barking up a gum tree here, but it wouldn't take hundreds of man hours to get those of us stuck with lower end hardware some new textures to fill the gap between the incredibly dated looking "classic" content, and the new "premium" content that is at present out of our reach.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:49:00 - [89] Originally by: Cedric Diggory Please correct me if I'm truly barking up a gum tree here You are. If you are that desperate for the new graphics, go to your local computershop and get a sm3 card from the bargain bin. If you can afford to pay for your sub, you can afford to buy a graphics card that can run trinity. Quote: What I'd like to see is a little bit of love for those of us who continue to pay our subs, but can't justify upgrading just quite yet. You mean like the new ships etc coming in the new free expansion? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Falkrich Swifthand Caldari eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.29 15:31:00 - [90] Edited by: Falkrich Swifthand on 29/11/2007 15:32:58 Originally by: nomis ekoobmah Originally by: Arana Tellen The shaders are too long for SM2 so unless you want them to waste a couple of years of coding time on an obsolete set of graphics cards that in a year or two will hardly be around, well........ ... but they are not too long for DX9.0b compliant cards such as the Radeon X700, X800 and X850 which all support long shaders. True there are other limitations but the shaders should work OK. There are OTHER differences between SM3 and SM2. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Level_Shader_Language e.g. While the total shader length is the same between SM2b and SM3 (512 instructions), an SM2b card will only execute up to 512 instructions and an SM3 card will execute up to 65536, screwing up long loops: Instruction slots: SM2: 32+64 SM2a/SM2b: 512 SM3: ≥512 Executed instructions: SM2: 32+64 SM2a/SM2b:512 SM3:65536 It's also worth noting that according to the most recent valve gamer hardware survey, 64% (and rising) of gamers have a SM3 card, and only 18% (and dropping) have a SM2 card. Roughly half of those 18% are Radeon 9000 series cards that are only pure SM2, and roughly another half are Radeon X000 series with SM2b. While converting SM3 shaders to SM2b is easier than SM2, is it really worth it for ~10% of players? Especially when they can still play the game, and could see the new graphics by getting a $50 graphics card upgrade? I imagine it would cost CCP more than that to do. nullnull

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