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Trishan Green Men Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.28 15:47:00 - [31] I don't want fancier graphics. I want simpler graphics, less effects. DirectX 1 if you will. Solid gouraud under 20 polygon models. Seriously. And you know there's more people who would like to have this kind of graphics too.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.11.28 16:28:00 - [32] Originally by: Trishan I don't want fancier graphics. I want simpler graphics, less effects. DirectX 1 if you will. Solid gouraud under 20 polygon models. Seriously. And you know there's more people who would like to have this kind of graphics too. In short, you want old-school Elite? SM3 graphics cards aren't that hard to come across for desktops, any NVidia Series 6, 7 or 8 and any ATI Radeon X1 or X2 generation card will work. You can even find a few out there for AGP 8x slots, for those with older motherboards. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.28 16:37:00 - [33] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 28/11/2007 16:37:22 Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Originally by: MalVortex My $350 HP laptop has an integrated 6200. It has SM3.0. Work laptops don't have dedicated GPUs... bites tounge you don't say? No, read again. I said the laptop MY work provided me has the crappy Intel setup. You know, that one required for the "Centrino" buzz-word that everyone that doesn't know has bought into? My wife's cheapie has a 6200 also. Shader 3 is painfully slow on it though; I would stay with the legacy setup on it... My laptop is a centrino duo and it supports SM3.0. Anyway (to all whiners, not you personally), CCP are still supporting the old client, which is more than most companies would do, so STFU. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Wolverine PL Gallente xtort Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.11.28 16:48:00 - [34] Good that trinity will req only dx9c, I dont need to install that sh*** Vista
DMF KingBob	Posted - 2007.11.28 16:58:00 - [35] yes nobody want support microsofts next-gen-grafik-only-at-our-new-expensiv-sennsless-operratingsystem-tactic
Grez Minmatar e X i l e Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:02:00 - [36] DX9.0c is not the same as SM3.0. Just because your card supports DX9.0c games, doesn't mean it supports SM3.0. Also, what's all this whining about not being able to play any more? The classic (old) engine is still being supported, so you can still run EVE as you can now. Want to play EVE on high settings? Get a computer setup that can support it. Just like every other game. ---
Scorp Gallente Bladerunners Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:05:00 - [37] I'm sorry if I am geting the wrong side of this moan and winge, but are you complaining about a supported feature that with your setup you wouldn't even be able to run any way? your kidding right? Try running your system spec with the premium engine with anything beyond a few things going on. Your system will die. Just as an example and its a very poor one at the moment. trinity is very 'unstable' at the moment. Yes it doesnt crash or die but due to the fact the optimizations aren't in place on the current engine it kills itself on frame rate. Ask any body with a high end system at the moment (something like a 8800 with at least a 2.7ghz core2 and at least 2gig of memory) the game kills itself if you zoom out (yes zoom out) on the station in FD, with around 40 people outside. This isn't a mock at your setup or anything its the fact you expect to run a high end client on a low end spec. You can hack all these great games you like. SupCom etc arent ment to be supported on your setup its as simple as that. Ever thought these standards are in place for these type of reasons? Linkeh Pooh
DMF KingBob	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:19:00 - [38] Edited by: DMF KingBob on 28/11/2007 17:19:08 A64 x2 3800 3gb ram x800xl this is not low end dude ccp should have a user stat of the users hardware
Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:22:00 - [39] It's low end if it doesn't have a shader model 3 GPU, especially given how long shader model 3 GPUs have been out.
Cardice Makar Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Scorp Just as an example and its a very poor one at the moment. trinity is very 'unstable' at the moment. Yes it doesnt crash or die but due to the fact the optimizations aren't in place on the current engine it kills itself on frame rate. Ask any body with a high end system at the moment (something like a 8800 with at least a 2.7ghz core2 and at least 2gig of memory) the game kills itself if you zoom out (yes zoom out) on the station in FD, with around 40 people outside. There's a certain amount of truth to this. I believe the rendering optimizations are in place, but there are still some issues. I have a feeling that the issues we're seeing here won't be fixed for a while, though they're certainly addressable in the long run. I get very acceptable framerates generally, on both the premium and classic clients. When I first loaded up the Premium client, I instinctively set all graphics settings to their max. I have to admit, it looked pretty, but the performance hit was significant. Upon further consideration, I dropped the shadow-level and my fps increased dramatically. Shadow calculations, especially with shadow-maps, is not an easy process in EVE... there are a large number of entities involved. As it stands, I've forced AA and AS in the driver settings and use HDR in game. With Normal shadows, in FD-, I see about 40-60 fps. This is respectable, no doubt about it. In a skirmish warfare with about 30-v-30 on the classic client, I would see about the same fps counts, and in FD- you can generally assume there's about 40-60 people outside station at any given time. I have to say I'm fairly impressed with the client as a whole. It's very pretty. But I know for a fact that architecturally the X800 series just isn't up to par. I owned one, afterall. Even with the Bioshock 'bastardization' it looks quite superior on a true SM3 card. The investment to buy a nv6X series card is not that high, and they come in AGP variations. SM3 is a great deal better than SM2. [Hardware, for your consideration: c2d - Q6600, 8800GT, 2gb of ram]

Hatch Minmatar Cloak and Daggers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:28:00 - [41] ok, sm3 is a limitation based on your video card. DirectX has no bearing on wether or not your card is sm3 ready. To tell wether or not your card is sm3 ready, go read the technical specs of the card itself. Mine will handle up to sm4 :P
DMF KingBob	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:29:00 - [42] for you is it low for other is it a dream....or simple acceptable
achoura	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:39:00 - [43] Long version: I agree it isnt low end, but that card is, in fact its pretty crappy. I mean every game since bf2 installs dx9.c by default which is when i bought my 7800gt and it's running this stuff well at 1680x1050 but even i know it's needing upgraded in the next few months just to keep up with technology and on that note graphics cards really haven't been this cheap or powerful ever. I paid ú225 for this 7800gt, the dx10 equivalent the 8800gt is ú170 so i am not complaining. Least it's going to be even cheaper when i need it. Short version: Technological advancement is not going to stop today because you need to buy a new card to replace you old one to play a game which is actually only being upgraded to last generations technology. If it weren't for people like you with older cards we would be recieveing a dx10 upgrade instead.
Lulu Nakura Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:43:00 - [44] ehh... has anyone said not to feed the trolls yet? -Lulu
St'oto Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.11.28 18:32:00 - [45] go buy a Nvidia Geforce 7900 GT it runs the new graphics engine + the models like a dream. Plus its not that expensive. I love this card even tho this christmas im upgrading to a 8800 GT
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.28 18:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Crumplecorn Anyway (to all whiners, not you personally), CCP are still supporting the old client, which is more than most companies would do, so STFU. I know, and am very happy they are. I was just responding to the comment of "There isn't any reason you can't run SM 3.0 blah blah blah"... There are situations that can prohibit it. My main machine has a higher-end x1950 and is fine. But I'm always in the living room with the family instead of hiding in the computer room..... Originally by: CCP Chronotis Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
DMF KingBob	Posted - 2007.11.28 18:38:00 - [47] still waiting for Radeon HD3600xt or have my eyes of this http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a293843.html
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.28 18:49:00 - [48] Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: DMF KingBob may should delete the trininty Trailer from my desktop to stop thinking about and keep watching by the Revelation 2 Trailer or does CCP make an Trinity Classic Trailer for me and the other non-SM3 Dx9 Grafikcard users ? So because your graphic card is from the stone age every other Eve-player should suffer from this and not get upgraded graphics? +1
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Eve University	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:30:00 - [49] My integrated Quadro FX Go1400* (yes, gaming with a mobile NVIDIA Quadro card, LULZ) that is three-plus years old on my 2.6 year old laptop supports SM 3.0. I think it is perfectly reasonable for CCP to develop and optimize graphics content runnable on cards from multiple generations ago ... and as mentioned above, they still allow for the non SM3 graphics ... /not signed *IIRC it's based on the GeForce 6800, with alterations to run autocad/etc. software better at the expense of most games.
Trishan Green Men Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:34:00 - [50] Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Originally by: Trishan I don't want fancier graphics. I want simpler graphics, less effects. DirectX 1 if you will. Solid gouraud under 20 polygon models. Seriously. And you know there's more people who would like to have this kind of graphics too. In short, you want old-school Elite? SM3 graphics cards aren't that hard to come across for desktops, any NVidia Series 6, 7 or 8 and any ATI Radeon X1 or X2 generation card will work. You can even find a few out there for AGP 8x slots, for those with older motherboards. Well, if you put it that way... yes :) But then I still play angband... and omega...

Solbright altaltaltaltt	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:35:00 - [51] As long as the new classic client renderer is updated with more hardware rendering, and hopefully will be faster than premium client, I'll never want to change. Give me zero stuttering and I'll be happy with wire frames.
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:53:00 - [52] Originally by: CCP Explorer There is a really good reason for requiring SM 3 for the new Premium Graphics Content in EVE Online: Trinity. We use very complicated shaders in the new art content with much more instructions than SM 2 supports. Tongue-in-cheek , but... There's this thing called optimization, ever heard of it? --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
Gallatyn	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:58:00 - [53] we should be happy that the new trinity engine doesn¦t require dx10. it would be no fun to use this crap os called windows vista.
Eternal Hatred Amarr Pantsu Garu Limited Technologies BROTHER'S WORD	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:29:00 - [54] I demand CCP cancel this STUPID and rasist patch that will not tolerate SM 2.0 people and work with stoneage technology!!!!! __________________________________________ I'm a well known whorum warriors alt and my lucky number is 733113. It's great being an Amarr
M1AU The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:42:00 - [55] I'll vote for SM 2.0.
Alex75a	Posted - 2007.11.28 21:22:00 - [56] /signed vote for SM 2.0.
petergriffen Amarr Dufrene Holdings. INC	Posted - 2007.11.28 21:40:00 - [57] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Originally by: CCP Explorer There is a really good reason for requiring SM 3 for the new Premium Graphics Content in EVE Online: Trinity. We use very complicated shaders in the new art content with much more instructions than SM 2 supports. Tongue-in-cheek , but... There's this thing called optimization, ever heard of it? Yes, optimization to SM2 is called SM3. They upgraded, you should too!
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.11.29 08:35:00 - [58] Sorry guys(the SM2 fanboys) but even though I am trying to be sympathetic I still don't get it ? CCP has stated they will maintain 2 versions for us, SM2 and SM3(and by next year we will have 3 versions if you include DX10) , this way no one will be inconvenienced, you can use SM2 so what's the problem ? [url=http://www.eve-online.com/patches/patches.asp?s=singularity]SiSi new graphics patch Manual download[/url]
Sleepkevert	Posted - 2007.11.29 08:52:00 - [59] Lets put it this way... SM2 is included in the classic engine! (no it isn't but you'll be able to run it anyway.) Now stop whining... _______ Sign my sig!
M1AU The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.29 09:21:00 - [60] Originally by: petergriffen Originally by: DMF KingBob Edited by: DMF KingBob on 28/11/2007 17:19:08 A64 x2 3800 3gb ram x800xl this is not low end dude ccp should have a user stat of the users hardware That's pretty low end for a gaming machine, to be honest to the others wishing for SM2 - Upgrade your computer. If you don't want to, then use the classic graphics. If you don't want to... ...can I have your stuff? My computer is up to date and my graphics card supports SM 3.0. Unfortunately the "supported" wrapper client does not, well guess they already working on that... Even though SM 2.0 would reach much more customers ... in my opinion.



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