So the sum of this tale is; you are just really terrible.

No it isn't. A Nyx will be fit with Officer stuff and we had 3 BSes. The BSes werent even ready to come in yet as the dreads were still incapping the POS guns and ECM batteries etc.

Yeah it was a small operation. But still it just sucks that ONE ship trumps all we had. Low sec isn't about that. I have live in low sec for years and i enjoy the smaller fleet combats. Not supers that require rediculous incomes to be able to buy.

No you fail to understand the rant.

But as a vet I knew this was coming. *sigh*

You realize that a properly fit Revelation, in siege, can easily tank a full flight of fighterbombers even from a Nyx, right?

You realize that a properly fit Revelation, in siege, can easily tank a full flight of fighterbombers even from a Nyx, right?

3 whole battleships?

Did you miss the small operation part?

Not everyone wants to be in a 1000 man alliance.

Give my best to the Nyx pilot he sounds like quite a guy

Sorry but the wall of death syndrome needs to go away first before people curiously wander out there.

There is only a "wall of death" when you intentionally make your presence known by attempting to destroy something owned by a major alliance. What, you think they won't notice, and won't do anything about it?

So no one has managed to tell me why Supercaps operating in lowsec is a good idea or why we need it.

"You were in hotdrop territory." EVERTYTHING is hot drop territory thats the problem. So this pathetic mining allaince in low sec will have its POS always there because no one can smash it fo fear of being hot dropped?

How is this good for low sec and good for EVE? Supercaps already have ruined null sec but fine leave them there. Low sec should be an intermediate area where these things cannot be used only moved through.

Please someone give a GOOD reason for supercaps to operate in low sec. There is none.

To teach stupid capital pilots lessons?



(I love how you call a corp "pathetic" in this thread of all places, I've seen these km's and oh my.... DAT RAVEN FIT)

Why are we "stupid capital pilots"?

Because we are trying to take out the POS of a pacifist mining corp?

So you gotta be in a 1000 man alliance to field caps in battle I guess?

There is no medium in between high sec and null?

Op is a victim of such I bet, probably ran into one of these walls that had a super in it.

And yes my killboard is pathetic but I learned my lessons and majority of those kills are... well... predetermined in that no matter how I fitted it back then wouldnt have changed the results at all.

But then these supers come in and screw it all up. They belong in hardcore EVE land AKA null. Where you can have hardcore Tech moon incomes and hardcore 1000 man fleet battles using your hardcore 30-60 billion ISK supers.

No it isn't. A Nyx will be fit with Officer stuff and we had 3 BSes. The BSes werent even ready to come in yet as the dreads were still incapping the POS guns and ECM batteries etc.

you were working on POS modules with 2 dreadnoughts WITHOUT ANY SUPPORT????

i thought dreads can only be used AFTER POS lost it's defences.....

Why are we "stupid capital pilots"?

Because we are trying to take out the POS of a pacifist mining corp?

So you gotta be in a 1000 man alliance to field caps in battle I guess?

There is no medium in between high sec and null?

See, the problem here is that what you have stated is not a fact, but a matter of opinion.

I think we can agree that low-sec should be an area for small-medium sized groups of people doing their thing, and that null-sec is the place for large empire building groups to do their thing.

But that is a completely different matter than whether supers should be allowed to be offensive in low-sec or not.

In a fictional ideal world, only the small to medium sized groups living low-sec could use them in low-sec, but not the huge null sec alliances. But, that is completely unworkable, so obviously not a solution.

I guess what I'm saying is, if that super was just 1 super, you should have been able to either GTFO or kill it. So in that regard, you guys failed for loosing your caps.


But in reality, there were probably more supers waiting from wherever that one jumped from, waiting for him to call for help. Hell, maybe he was even bait for an escalation.

So yea, it sucks, but not a whole lot that can be done about it. I guess, you will have to , well, adapt or something.

edit:

Since you will inevitably ask how you could have done better, let me help.
1) Bring in a carrier at range and try to save the dread. Probably a bad idea, since WN. super prolly has friends.
2) Bring in logistics ships and try to keep the dread alive. You had 3 bs pilots, they should have logistics ships nearby, surely. Or you could carrier them over to a station, etc.
3) Bring a bumping ship. Maybe something with an oversized AB. Bump your dread the **** out of the way.
4) Don't leave your darn cyno up after cynoing in. Use something cheap and blow it up afterwards. No need for you to put a big bright spot on the map showing you had 1 up. You do know that solar system map shows active cyno's, right? If had a super and was bored, I would look for all the stationless systems with cynos up.

Pretty much. You can't park two dreads on a POS and expect everybody to sit on their hands. You made a stupid decision and paid for it in full. I expect next time you'll be a little more cautious when waving your capital epeens around.

. So this pathetic mining allaince in low sec will have its POS always there because no one can smash it fo fear of being hot dropped?

.

So I guess your answer IS YES WE HAVE TO BE IN A 1000 MAN ALLIANCE TO FIELD CAPS.

Thank you for clarifying.

Make Supers have NO offensive ability in low sec.

They can move through to travel, but they are for SOV HOLDING ALLIANCES!! Not for hot dropping random targets in low sec!!!

And yes I am mad. I just lost a Rev and barely got out my Moros. Killing a POS in low sec and a random Null sec guy hot drops ONE super on us. Our BSes fall trying to pop his fighter bombers to save the two dreads. He pulls them in and put out fighters. We can't kill his fighters so the BSes die. Then my Rev can't get out either before succumbing to the Supercarrier.

I just thought that the nerf was supposed to make them not taken out solo. They would need support. Apparantly they are STILL WTFSOLOPWNMOBILEs.

Low sec can't be for us mid sized alliances and corps fighting over POSes and POCOs without worrying about supers.

If I got dropped by 10 dreads and carriers or titan bridged by thier support too thats fine. That takes people.

a SOLO Nyx taking out ALL our ships is ********. We aren't going to fight over things in low sec because we are too scared now we will lose another Dread. We don't have Tech moons to fuel cap ship funds. We can't even moon mine since the sec isn't low enough.

Dread buff and Super nerfs were not enough. Maybe they were enough for null but we NEED low sec to be about smaller ships fighting. Dreads and carriers at the biggest. Should be a stepping stone to null.

Not assigning fighters and no DDD in low sec isn't enough. REMOVE all offensive abilties of supers in low sec.

That will help low sec grow into a more populated area....

and YES I'M MAD BRO.

But I'm not quitting so you can't have my stuff.

Wow, did you guys even read the OP?

Nope.

So the OP is pissed off because his ace (dread against pos) was trumped by a joker (sc versus dread.) He thought he could bash with immunity some helpless little pos like a schoolyar bully and is now sour grapes when the apparent big brother shows up and returns the favor.

but they are for SOV HOLDING ALLIANCES!! Not for hot dropping random targets in low sec!!!

NO listen to ME.

If you want to fix low-sec, let players take on the role of CONCORD.

There, fixed.

No cause it doesnt matter who it was. The fact remains that supers dont belong ganking stuff in low sec. They should be able to move and activate defense modules.. otherwise move them back to null. They are for sov warfare.

Actually supers shouldnt even exist but thats a differant argument. Many people know that the creation of Titans and Moms was a mistake...

Make Supers have NO offensive ability in low sec.

i wish stupid people would let me kill them like that every once in awhile. im quite envious of that nyx pilot.

i like how 75% of posters in this thread read "my corp lost dreads to a supercarrier" and stopped there and started trolling

Dominixes should be removed from low sec, seriously. We started a roam with 3 frigates and 2 cruisers and we ran into a single dominix, A SINGLE DOMINIX. Want to guess the result? HE KILLED ALL OF US! Honestly, seriously. Dominixiiii are way to powerful to be able to fight in low sec because you can't kill them with a small group (as we've just proven). CCP should take care of those *******. Till then I'm cancelling all my 24 accounts.

3 frigates two cruisers t1 i presume. vrs 1 Domi. Prolly a domi pilot whos been flying his dominix since before eve was Multi colored graphics. knows how to use it.

but you lost 3 frigates and 2 cruisers = NO BIG LOSS IN ISK. Or. Maybe. work your skills a bit.

Yeah so one guy in this thread said for me to stay in siege and tank the Nyx. Why? I'll enentually run out of stront or he will bring in friends.

Yeah he probably did have mroe supers ready to drop so i could have done nothing.

The BSes were lost trying to take out the FB from the Nyx to save the caps. They managed to Save the Moros. The Rev ALMOST got out of the Nyx's point range before it popped. He was at 31 km trying to get out of the faction/officer point range. I did chat with the Super pilot a bit afterwards. He told me he had two points and he went for the Raven and dropped point on the Moros.

I had a GTFO cyno ready once the dreads came out of siege. Thats how the Moros got out. The cyno we lit to bring in the dreads was long gone. We had been working on the POS modules for a few loads of stront by then.

Damn, Liam, you need to put fewer speed mods on your sarcasm, because it soared right over this dude's head.

we kill plenty of pirates in low sec. We are good PvPers.

in comparison to the best PvPers out there I have a "medium killboard"

in comparison to null sec blobs we run in "medium sized gangs"

So we live in low sec which is the medium between the high sec and the null sec.

But then these supers come in and screw it all up. They belong in hardcore EVE land AKA null. Where you can have hardcore Tech moon incomes and hardcore 1000 man fleet battles using your hardcore 30-60 billion ISK supers.

So no one has managed to tell me why Supercaps operating in lowsec is a good idea or why we need it.

So this pathetic mining allaince in low sec will have its POS always there because no one can smash it fo fear of being hot dropped?

How is this good for low sec and good for EVE?

Please someone give a GOOD reason for supercaps to operate in low sec. There is none.

Leaving this here

Madposting because you weren't even slightly prepared for the task at hand won't help anything

Yes and no Nova. We live in low sec, we kill plenty of pirates in low sec. We are good PvPers. We don't have a ton of capital experiance and have gotten hotdropped by RANDOM passing alts of null sec alliance as we bash a POS of some nobody corp. This is now two for two. Lost caps in both engagements.

What I am saying is I am a "medium player"

in comparison to the richest people of EVE, I have a "medium income"

in comparison to the best PvPers out there I have a "medium killboard"

in comparison to null sec blobs we run in "medium sized gangs"

So we live in low sec which is the medium between the high sec and the null sec.

But then these supers come in and screw it all up. They belong in hardcore EVE land AKA null. Where you can have hardcore Tech moon incomes and hardcore 1000 man fleet battles using your hardcore 30-60 billion ISK supers.