Originally by: bitters much

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Originally by: YarrDaddy

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Looka like MC, Evoke and Outbreak are all gang banging the little ol BRUCE noobs. If you like to fight with the best of the best come to syndicate and fight the best.

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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon

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Originally by: YarrDaddy

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Looka like MC, Evoke and Outbreak are all gang banging the little ol BRUCE noobs. If you like to fight with the best of the best come to syndicate and fight the best.

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/matrixquote
We have been here before, and we are not afraid.
/matrixquote

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Originally by: bitters much

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Originally by: Notmad Max

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Yes Bruce havent actually ever lost a fleet fight. Its MC should be scared.
Regards,

non-affiliated alt.

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Originally by: Notmad Max

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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon

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Originally by: YarrDaddy

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Looka like MC, Evoke and Outbreak are all gang banging the little ol BRUCE noobs. If you like to fight with the best of the best come to syndicate and fight the best.

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/matrixquote
We have been here before, and we are not afraid.
/matrixquote

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Yes Bruce havent actually ever lost a fleet fight. Its MC should be scared.
Regards,

non-affiliated alt.

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Originally by: YarrDaddy

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Looka like MC, Evoke and Outbreak are all gang banging the little ol BRUCE noobs. If you like to fight with the best of the best come to syndicate and fight the best.

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Originally by: Notmad Max

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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon

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Originally by: YarrDaddy

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Looka like MC, Evoke and Outbreak are all gang banging the little ol BRUCE noobs. If you like to fight with the best of the best come to syndicate and fight the best.

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/matrixquote
We have been here before, and we are not afraid.
/matrixquote

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Yes Bruce havent actually ever lost a fleet fight. Its MC should be scared.
Regards,

non-affiliated alt.

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Originally by: The Mittani

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syndicate is the cool place to hang out. you can find most of the cool people there. in syndicate you can just chill and do whatever and totally relax. "take it easy" is the syndicate motto, for example, that's how laid back it is there. show up if you want to have a good time. another good reason to show up is if you want to hang out with friends.

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Originally by: N1fty

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IBP

(In Before Poitot)


Looking forward to seeing the MC! Shout out to Hans Roaming, we knew you couldn't stay away!

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Originally by: Zell Shadowcast

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Unless you count them coming back in a second wave with 4x your numbers instead of the original 2x an hour later to a different system a continuation of the same fight.

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Syndicate was becoming boring as the former residents left the place...

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Originally by: The Mittani

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syndicate is the cool place to hang out. you can find most of the cool people there. in syndicate you can just chill and do whatever and totally relax. "take it easy" is the syndicate motto, for example, that's how laid back it is there. show up if you want to have a good time. another good reason to show up is if you want to hang out with friends.

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Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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Spam removed. Please stay on topic - Valorem

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Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 28/11/2007 18:25:21

Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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Spam removed. Please stay on topic - Valorem

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The topic of the thread is Syndicate. My post related to Syndicate.

Valorem is the worst mod ever, quote this if you're down. Srsly, way to go closing a post where we were talking about Eve and Alliances (lol CAOD) being in the bloody NEW YORK TIMES. Happens all the time, that does, that the biggest Alliances and this game grace the FRONT PAGE OF THE ARTS SECTION. And if we can discuss that god forbid a couple people make jokes! ZE FUN IST VERBOTEN ARBEIT MACHT FREI.

I can't figure out if you just hate fun, or have such a lousy existance in real life that you're on some kind of forum power trip so you have power and influence somewhere (I personally vote that you hate fun).

Of course, I should have emailed [email protected] but that email would vanish down the memory hole as fast as this post will.

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I hate you Valorem. I hate you and all that you stand for with the power of a thousand suns.

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Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 28/11/2007 18:25:21

Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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Spam removed. Please stay on topic - Valorem

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The topic of the thread is Syndicate. My post related to Syndicate.

Valorem is the worst mod ever, quote this if you're down. Srsly, way to go closing a post where we were talking about Eve and Alliances (lol CAOD) being in the bloody NEW YORK TIMES. Happens all the time, that does, that the biggest Alliances and this game grace the FRONT PAGE OF THE ARTS SECTION. And if we can discuss that god forbid a couple people make jokes! ZE FUN IST VERBOTEN ARBEIT MACHT FREI.

I can't figure out if you just hate fun, or have such a lousy existance in real life that you're on some kind of forum power trip so you have power and influence somewhere (I personally vote that you hate fun).

Of course, I should have emailed [email protected] but that email would vanish down the memory hole as fast as this post will.

t

I hate you Valorem. I hate you and all that you stand for with the power of a thousand suns.

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Originally by: Arkanjuca

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Good smackfree fights, im all for it...

Syndicate was becoming boring as the former residents left the place...

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Originally by: Vile rat

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I just wanna caution everybody that going to syndicate to kill noobs never usually turns out the way you think it will turn out.

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Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure

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Originally by: Vile rat

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I just wanna caution everybody that going to syndicate to kill noobs never usually turns out the way you think it will turn out.

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Never usually?

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Originally by: Kyguard

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Originally by: Arkanjuca

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Good smackfree fights, im all for it...

Syndicate was becoming boring as the former residents left the place...

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How dare ye sir

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Originally by: Rajere

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syndicate was boring long before your corp ever joined BRUCE. You've got maybe 20 Huzzah folks over in eza/pvh/6cz, you've got 2-3 Fire Mandril with them, about 15-20 Exquisite Malevolence around MHC, and 10-15 of us down in TA Constellation. Those are average primetime numbers sometimes more sometimes less.

The other 2700 pilots are blue to you.

not smack, just a statement of fact.

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Originally by: John Donnerjack

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/me ignores the trollers

It's already fun.. had a run in with a pretty impressive nanophoon and a cloaky ewarish group last night. I'm by no means an FC but I had a little experience so I led the defensive group. We learned quite a bit, I think, and it was good times. And curse me for fitting HAMs when you're all out at 80km!

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Originally by: Rajere

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should probably disable the signature mod on the bruce killboard itself, no point in having signatures that nobody can see.

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Originally by: Katamarino

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Edited by: Katamarino on 28/11/2007 21:49:52
We would like to thank the Huzzah Federation for giving us the chance to once again fight the esteemed MC

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Originally by: John Donnerjack

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/me ignores the trollers

It's already fun.. had a run in with a pretty impressive nanophoon and a cloaky ewarish group last night. I'm by no means an FC but I had a little experience so I led the defensive group. We learned quite a bit, I think, and it was good times. And curse me for fitting HAMs when you're all out at 80km!

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Originally by: Hrin

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I was hoping to see an nMeh post. Now I'm disappointed.

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Originally by: Hrin

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I was hoping to see an nMeh post. Now I'm disappointed.

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Hes too busy cloaking in his dampening rail ranis hunting our miners in deklein to post here...

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Nobody outside of BRUCE, Rajere. Thanks for the advice though.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Ah the big guys, always after the top challenges =)

- Gob

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Originally by: Muskogee

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Ah the big guys, always after the top challenges =)

- Gob

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Funny, I had the same idea, when I read the first time about this contract. **** the AAA or RA noobs - the REAL challenge in PVP are the allmighty Bruuuuuuce boys. Mad probs for bringing it at Evoke, Outbreak and MC! I admire you for all those fights, you do so terribly outnumbered with almost no hope on a win.

Good luck all and fight with honor

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Originally by: Yuto Kang

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The sad reality is, you choose a target from the GBC and the whole GBC comes after you and you have to face the blob. You go after a RSF alliance and you have the other blob on your doorstep. So really, how many options are left for corps who want to have fun doing pew pew and avoid the blob and annoying POS warfare?

Think about it next time you post with your tinfoil hat on. This thing called coincidence does really exist!

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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Originally by: Hrin

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I was hoping to see an nMeh post. Now I'm disappointed.

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Hes too busy cloaking in his dampening rail ranis hunting our miners in deklein to post here...

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I engaged him with a baiting Caldari Navy Hookbill.
I won.

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Originally by: Arkanjuca

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Good smackfree fights, im all for it...

Syndicate was becoming boring as the former residents left the place...

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Originally by: Sunabi

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Did I miss the freighter op back up to Aeschee?

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Originally by: Sarmea Moon

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Originally by: Sunabi

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Did I miss the freighter op back up to Aeschee?

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Yep, we went to Jita. Didn't you get the memo?

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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon

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Yes, BRUCE is dead. We have no life in our breast, our heart has stopped beating, oh god the pain.

Go back to your blog, Shyra.

Another interesting night of trying out various tactics against MC last night - thanks again for being non-smacking opponents, MC. Much respect. o7

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Ah the big guys, always after the top challenges =)

- Gob

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Originally by: JoeSomebody

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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon

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Yes, BRUCE is dead. We have no life in our breast, our heart has stopped beating, oh god the pain.

Go back to your blog, Shyra.

Another interesting night of trying out various tactics against MC last night - thanks again for being non-smacking opponents, MC. Much respect. o7

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i heard you just brought 40 people against their 13 and they left after ganking a few in your home system... how is that different from one and only bruce tactic?

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Originally by: JoeSomebody

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i heard you just brought 40 people against their 13 and they left after ganking a few in your home system... how is that different from one and only bruce tactic?

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Originally by: Manas

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Strange preconceptions about BRUCE I hear. Believe me, being in BRUCE (especially now) Rules. We are able to play many different styles and fight the best. We do recon gangs, inty gangs, cruiser gangs, solo work, long and short range BS fleets, and cap ships groups.. all styles we use. We have some clever leadership too. We can't be blamed for being 1600+ members who all "x"-up when needed. We donÆt care much about E-peens and ratios, just having fun and enjoying the game.

I generally prefer BRUCE to stay unaffiliated in the Great War, but not sure it can last too much longer with the GBC (in the form of MC) attacking Syndicate with the supercap gangs. Yes it isnÆt much of an existential threat, since it would take the current forces arrayed against us 4 months of continuous mind-numbing camping to attempt to dislodge us (and we could just return when they left). But, sometimes enemies choose you.

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Originally by: Mynas Atoch

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Originally by: Manas

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Strange preconceptions about BRUCE I hear. Believe me, being in BRUCE (especially now) Rules. We are able to play many different styles and fight the best. We do recon gangs, inty gangs, cruiser gangs, solo work, long and short range BS fleets, and cap ships groups.. all styles we use. We have some clever leadership too. We can't be blamed for being 1600+ members who all "x"-up when needed. We donÆt care much about E-peens and ratios, just having fun and enjoying the game.

I generally prefer BRUCE to stay unaffiliated in the Great War, but not sure it can last too much longer with the GBC (in the form of MC) attacking Syndicate with the supercap gangs. Yes it isnÆt much of an existential threat, since it would take the current forces arrayed against us 4 months of continuous mind-numbing camping to attempt to dislodge us (and we could just return when they left). But, sometimes enemies choose you.

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Manas

a) We're not in the GBC
b) We're not trying to dislodge you
c) We won't be there four weeks, nevermind four months

Do what you are doing. Get all your friends together in ships you can afford to lose, and when you feel lucky, come out to play. Ignore the people here who know nothing about nothing, and are probably not logged on anyway. Vary your tactics, blob up, bait us, ambush us, logonski on us .. do everything you can think of to have some fun and get some kills. If you lose, shrug it off, if you win Celebrate! Just play eve and ignore these prats.

Myn

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Originally by: Mynas Atoch

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Manas

a) We're not in the GBC
b) We're not trying to dislodge you
c) We won't be there four weeks, nevermind four months

Do what you are doing. Get all your friends together in ships you can afford to lose, and when you feel lucky, come out to play. Ignore the people here who know nothing about nothing, and are probably not logged on anyway. Vary your tactics, blob up, bait us, ambush us, logonski on us .. do everything you can think of to have some fun and get some kills. If you lose, shrug it off, if you win Celebrate! Just play eve and ignore these prats.

Myn

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Originally by: Mynas Atoch

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Manas

a) We're not in the GBC
b) We're not trying to dislodge you
c) We won't be there four weeks, nevermind four months

Do what you are doing. Get all your friends together in ships you can afford to lose, and when you feel lucky, come out to play. Ignore the people here who know nothing about nothing, and are probably not logged on anyway. Vary your tactics, blob up, bait us, ambush us, logonski on us .. do everything you can think of to have some fun and get some kills. If you lose, shrug it off, if you win Celebrate! Just play eve and ignore these prats.

Myn

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Originally by: Manas

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Strange preconceptions about BRUCE I hear. Believe me, being in BRUCE (especially now) Rules. We are able to play many different styles and fight the best. We do recon gangs, inty gangs, cruiser gangs, solo work, long and short range BS fleets, and cap ships groups.. all styles we use. We have some clever leadership too. We can't be blamed for being 1600+ members who all "x"-up when needed. We donÆt care much about E-peens and ratios, just having fun and enjoying the game.

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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon

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I won't dismiss your remarks, but you'll pardon me if I take issue and refute them:

"We trickle in to the POS over a couple of hours"

... and yet some of our foes specifically comment on how quickly we put a reaction group together. Clearly, your perception is not the only one available, nor the authority on the subject. And do you really wait in our system for a couple of HOURS for a fight? How determined!

"Our only tactic is simplistic zerg warfare"

.... but strangely, we've fielded completely different styles of fleets many times. It looks like a zerg to you because when four or five times as many ships show up, no matter what they do, it looks like a zerg to you.

"You only go on the offensive to attack POS's, or when there's 30+ in your roaming gang."

You'll find the reason for that is loosely tied in with our "Good Guy" self-imposed semi-image. We don't go pick trouble, and when we do move against someone or something, it's because we've been significantly annoyed - and when you significantly annoy 1600 members, well, look at that: they all tend to show up.

"Your only tactic is brute force and you don't use it until you have enough of it, and until then you wait, docked."

Well, if you intend to use brute force as your tactic, it would be a bit silly to try to use it until you have enough, no? :lol: I'm sure the Recon gangs we used on the former owners of JQV night after night were just our imagination. Ah, but let us not forget: We fit nothing but cloaks and stabs, too, so we can dismiss them.

The funny thing is that quite a few of the people who fight us really don't agree with you, oh mysterious convenient unmarked alt. You, like us, and like them, have your own conceptions of the world and that's your business. If I may quote, though:

"Quantity has a quality all its own."

BRUCE's ability to administrate a stable, healthy, and happy alliance of our size is a PVP skill all its own - and we are not going to be shy about leveraging that administrative talent to beat you over the head with the quantity it brings.

Good hunting and thanks for the reasonable discussion.

LONG LIVE THE BRUCES!

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Originally by: Barra Cheveyo

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Are these the prats Mynas was talking about?

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ell, if you intend to use brute force as your tactic, it would be a bit silly to try to use it until you have enough, no? :lol: I'm sure the Recon gangs we used on the former owners of JQV night after night were just our imagination. Ah, but let us not forget: We fit nothing but cloaks and stabs, too, so we can dismiss them.

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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon

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Edited by: Friedrick Psitalon on 29/11/2007 18:53:05
BRUCE is an empire-builder. Until you understand everything that is a part of that, you will not understand us. The differences between an empire-builder alliance and a warmonger corporation/alliance is far deeper than most "pew pew" afficianados appreciate.

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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon

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The funny thing is that quite a few of the people who fight us really don't agree with you, oh mysterious convenient unmarked alt. You, like us, and like them, have your own conceptions of the world and that's your business. If I may quote, though:

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Originally by: Astal Atlar

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Well manas your speaking is crap. You have only 1 tactic and it is blob.In even numbers you never fight,yeah your cloackers may sit all day cloacked in the systems doing nothing.
Oss we always went and fought even when it was 4-1,this is the difference,and you should teach your people to use better fittings.
Losing mothership in your own system only you can do this.
Or with 30 outbreak to stay 150 docked with oss gang in your pc9 battling.
I did not and will never respect such attitude.Yes we are in fontaine now here at least we have honourable enemies like Hun reloaded,they come bring the numbers and fight,lose ships reship and fight again.
My respect goes for them,this is what this game is meant to be fun.
I hope mc have their fun against you.

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Originally by: Yuto Kang

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The sad reality is, you choose a target from the GBC and the whole GBC comes after you and you have to face the blob. You go after a RSF alliance and you have the other blob on your doorstep. So really, how many options are left for corps who want to have fun doing pew pew and avoid the blob and annoying POS warfare?

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Originally by: Kyguard

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While you're here though, let me ask - why are your pilots under orders not to forward killmails where NPCs laid the final blow to any FIREM members?

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Originally by: Sunabi

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Originally by: Kyguard

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While you're here though, let me ask - why are your pilots under orders not to forward killmails where NPCs laid the final blow to any FIREM members?

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Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure we're supposed to. If someone refuses, talk to their CEO.

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Originally by: Notmad Max

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I don't see where the pompousness and self-satisfaction comes from an 'empire-builder' living in non-sov space. That has always been my problem, what I said from the start - is that Bruce appear to have such a high opinion of themselves, talk as if they are pvpers when you yourself admit there is another agenda entirely, and yet have live in space for a long time now where none of the end-game an 'empire builder' seeks is even really possible. The only empire in Syndicate is Intaki Syndicate. This is not going to change.

Anyway despite all I've said: continue to have fun, that is undoubtably the most important thing of all. Me out o/

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Originally by: Lazuran

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Originally by: Yuto Kang

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The sad reality is, you choose a target from the GBC and the whole GBC comes after you and you have to face the blob. You go after a RSF alliance and you have the other blob on your doorstep. So really, how many options are left for corps who want to have fun doing pew pew and avoid the blob and annoying POS warfare?

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so go shoot triumvirate or some other "neutral" party in this war...

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Originally by: Notmad Max

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I don't see where the pompousness and self-satisfaction comes from an 'empire-builder' living in non-sov space. That has always been my problem, what I said from the start - is that Bruce appear to have such a high opinion of themselves, talk as if they are pvpers when you yourself admit there is another agenda entirely, and yet have live in space for a long time now where none of the end-game an 'empire builder' seeks is even really possible.

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Originally by: General StarScream

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Ye this is a strange call from Bob.

Bruce will crush ya.

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Originally by: Galtan Deus

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Originally by: Sunabi

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Originally by: Kyguard

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While you're here though, let me ask - why are your pilots under orders not to forward killmails where NPCs laid the final blow to any FIREM members?

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Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure we're supposed to. If someone refuses, talk to their CEO.

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Agree - perhaps those who refuse are confusing it with our private killboard policy?

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first of all I know this is an alt etc - i dont have a choice. Ignoring what I have to say arbitrarily makes you a fool in my opinion, maybe itll be deleted before you read it.

Anyhow... I have fought against you many times, and the only real problem I have with Bruce is their own perception of themselves. We have good fights, Bruce do bring it, but their perception of most battles I've been in with them is often extremely self-congratulatory for really nothing much. Add to this the classic excuse "what are we supposed to do if we get 100 Xs" - of course if you get 100 Xs, you put 100 in gang - But this does not represent the entire truth of the matter. It's not like you get 100 xs in 1 minute as an aimmediate response to an incursion. You just make your opponent wait and wait and wait while you get 100 Xs.

Why do they wait? Because unlike you they are there for the fight, not necessarily to try and win at all costs. They really are there not to build empires, but to fight against the odds and win.

You say you don't have a choice, when actually you will wait and wait and wait UNTIL you have overwhelming numbers and then fight. I've watched a 20 man hostile gang sit in PC9, while bruce pilot after pilot after pilot trickles into your pos to form up over the course of hours. You make it sound as if blobbing is simply a side effect of your size, when the reality is you use it deliberately as a tactic.

Don't get me wrong - it's a legitimate tactic. However you try and make it sound as if it 'just happens', when in reality it is something you quite clearly play towards.


So you use the correct strategy and fight on your own terms, and usually your opponent will allow you to blob up over the course of 45 min+, and wait for you to do so not because they are just dumb, or they don't see what you are up to, but simply because they love a good fight

I have not once in months of fighting seen that attitude on an individual level from Bruce's pilots. You only ever go on the offensive to take out POSes, or in a roaming gang of 30+ with very very few exceptions. Otherwise you just let people walk all over you until you can blob them, and then you seem to expect some kind of respect for that behaviour?

Bruce win their significant victories predominantly through brute force, and if they don't have brute force they will wait, docked, until it arrives. You say you use a lot of different tactics - well as your neighbour I don't see it, and quite honestly sick of hearing how varied and great your tactics are - they are simplistic zerg warfare.

When everyone who has fought you seems to agree on this, even when those parties are enemies amongst themselves, perhaps you can at least accept you might be wrong about this.

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Originally by: Emo Thug

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This man speaks the truth. I understand you position of alt needing but I wish I knew who you were so I could buy you a beer.

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Originally by: Astal Atlar

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I doubt will be so fun.
Last time outbreak was there bruce huged the npc stations and ect
Also ejected from their ships it was way funny.
Or asked us the former oss to go and save them..

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Originally by: John Caldwell

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Edited by: John Caldwell on 30/11/2007 03:28:50
General observation #29: When people use proper grammar on internet forums, others always interpret it as indicative of a condescending attitude, regardless of content.

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Originally by: Kyguard

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While you're here though, let me ask - why are your pilots under orders not to forward killmails where NPCs laid the final blow to any FIREM members?

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Originally by: Coren Skyus

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I just wanted to post in an epic thread which is sure to become historical for BRUCE; one that we will look back on in 3 months and laugh.

Long Live BRUCE!

[now back to your regularly-scheduled forum pvp]

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Originally by: TresheR

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Sorry for quoting you anyway, but every single time an npc gets the mail when I kill someone from Bruce, my polite request to forward the mail is either declined or ignored completely.

This started a few months ago, and originates from one of the main Bruce FC's. (He actually confirmed it in local.)

Luckily for us, from time to time a friendly Bruce member sends us a mail copied from your killboard.

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Originally by: Shyra Storm

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...but everyone should be proud to fight. There is no shame loosing ships!

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Originally by: Shyra Storm

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But thats one thing I can't understand. Every BRUCE telling around how good and brave they are. But why you are scared to make your killboard public?

Your pets like TENTH and STELLAR LEGION have public killboard. They had some problems to post their losses, but everyone should be proud to fight. There is no shame loosing ships!

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Originally by: Kyguard

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While you're here though, let me ask - why are your pilots under orders not to forward killmails where NPCs laid the final blow to any FIREM members?

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Originally by: Sol Flare

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Originally by: Kyguard

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While you're here though, let me ask - why are your pilots under orders not to forward killmails where NPCs laid the final blow to any FIREM members?

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What?!? Kyguard... you of all people should not be letting mere NPC rats lay final blows! What has this universe come to?

Good to see you active again Kyguard... maybe we'll meet in space again soon. Though it appears we will be on opposite sides this time. o7

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Originally by: Sarmea Moon

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Edited by: Sarmea Moon on 30/11/2007 12:56:25

Originally by: Shyra Storm

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But thats one thing I can't understand. Every BRUCE telling around how good and brave they are. But why you are scared to make your killboard public?

Your pets like TENTH and STELLAR LEGION have public killboard. They had some problems to post their losses, but everyone should be proud to fight. There is no shame loosing ships!

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...And we will state yet again, they remain private to protect intel on our fleet and fittings.
In TBB the first thing I was taught at a wardec was to datamine killboards. Within a day I knew the names of all their cap ship pilots, T2 fighters, dictors, tacklers, and what they liked to fit. Slap those people on your friends list, and you knew when they were on, and likely to play. Why give you free intel? To display our e-peen? Well, I'm female, I have no peen, so I'm happy to not give you that free intel. Neener.

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Originally by: N1fty

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http://storietime.com/gsy/killboard/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=8

Your alliances stats. Including top killers, top losers, preferred shiptypes, preferred weapons. We can find who your cap pilots are, we can find which systems you fight in most. Basically anything you have fielded against us is known to us.


We get the exact same killmails that you do. You basically have a public killboard, hosted by us

EDIT: Oh and your policy is being nerfed in Trinity with the new ingame killmail stuff.

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Originally by: white kight

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Couple of things though, the other night when we wiped out a joint MC/Huzzah gang that jumped into our system, MC decided to drop carriers and 2 motherships in on us, and then we get accused of being heavy handed.

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