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Ubiquitous Forum Alt
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:58:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:**** miners, have NPC seed minerals at outragous prices to create a new isk sink and remove exhumers from game. Problem solved. No more lossing your expensive paper thin tank ships which the only reason to fly them is to act the part of a goat tied down to an asteroid field and just die (like that scene from Jurrasic Park), no more easier KM padding and you hurt their precious gamer score because they now have to play the game on more then Hello Kitty Mode for easy kills.
I wasn't even aware that Hello Kitty *had* a PvP mode....let alone one where you could easily rampage through and slaughter other players on a whim.....
I don't log in - I don't need to.
My very existence griefs people.
They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation.
Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you? |
Frillo Teslar
High Flyers
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:43:00 -
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Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:Aqriue wrote:**** miners, have NPC seed minerals at outragous prices to create a new isk sink and remove exhumers from game. Problem solved. No more lossing your expensive paper thin tank ships which the only reason to fly them is to act the part of a goat tied down to an asteroid field and just die (like that scene from Jurrasic Park), no more easier KM padding and you hurt their precious gamer score because they now have to play the game on more then Hello Kitty Mode for easy kills. I wasn't even aware that Hello Kitty *had* a PvP mode....let alone one where you could easily rampage through and slaughter other players on a whim.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dYI_S0vDU8
Looks awesome... |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:06:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:
Oh, you can easily do this in crowded 0.7 ice belts. In theory, things could get pretty ugly in 0.5. You could probably manage to kill 6+ per Tornado there, but finding enough targets can be difficult....
Come to Nakugard / Barkrik, there's a bunch of hulks and mackinaws.
Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
148
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Posted - 2012.02.02 10:14:00 -
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I suck at hyperlinking....
I think the best I've done is 4x Macks in 0.7, though I've could have managed more on a couple occasions, but either ran out of ammo or the targets warped out (forcing me to stop - or just wasting a Retriever or an industrial.)
but going Hulk-Hulk-Mackinaw is also quite common. My theory is that I was being held back somewhat by crappy laggy internet in Alaska. (IE, sluggish controls and 2 second delays lead to rampages being cut short when dealing with near instant Concord/faction police response time)
Having recently relocated to Scandinavia and upgrade to a T3 - I can now test my theory. Also, 0.5 systems are much more forgiving, and give a significantly larger time buffer.
Anyway, that Krixtal dude is a frigging moron because he spouts off without knowing anything, and then when confronted with proof he just denies it exists.
Yes, everyone knows you can kill tons of Exhumers with a SB Battleship. The problem is you are limited to targets piled on top of each other within 5km - and to do it solo they must have a weak tank. Although with LVL V Smartbombing skills, you can take down weakly tanked Hulks solo as well.
Tornados can kill multiple targets spaced as far apart as 100km, if you warp-in correctly.
So, cheapest solo gank
- T2 Blaster Catalyst (but you are limited to lightly tanked Macks or untanked Hulks in forgiving sec regions)
Most effective solo ganker:
- T2 Tornado, can chain-kill multiple, widely spaced targets of both the tanked and untanked variety.
Best Orca killers:
-T2 Talos, massive DPS means a few of these can tear down your average 'Jetcan' Orca.
Also-rans:
Brutix - limited to single targets
Thorax - limited to single targets, also vulnerable to faction police.
Thrasher - best Destroyer alpha, but for killing Exhumers, the 700DPS Catalyst now far surpasses it.
Tempest/Apoc - old standard, no reason to use these since the release of the Tornado. Too expensive, don't fit in Orcas. |
Lex Fasces
Kicked.
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Posted - 2012.02.02 12:35:00 -
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so i see your tactics. you are using groups of 2 guns? or getting a second volley off with groups of 4. although in a 0.7 you probably wont get a second volley which means you are more liely to be going 4 groups of 2 guns. and you pop stuff at the same time meaning volleys off within 5 seconds of eachother.
question is:
how are you making money off this? a nado fit up like yours is costing around 70-80m.
if you only pop 3 then you are still gonna lose a lot of isk simply because t2 salvage isnt guaranteed...
we popped 5 macks yesterday and not a single one dropped t2 salvage. my alt has t1 salvagers with salvage 4 and 3 rigs on though. do you get an increased chance of t2 salvage by having level 5 and t2 salvagers? or does it just make it faster to get the chance... |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
296
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:16:00 -
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Admiral Pelleon wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Keltaris Cesaille wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ????
No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default That mindset is THE major issue ingame. Not mining, not ganking, not PvP. That MINDSET. It's the same as people who kill innocent civilians during wartime. No difference. Well, you see.. One of them is in a video game about spaceships, the other is real life.
I'd ask you to stop being an idiot, but seeing as you think mining in high sec is a profitable activity... Probably not a good call.
And POINT to where EXACTLY I even hinted at that. Liar. God these boards suck.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
296
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:30:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:
You are the one that was obviously upset about it, as you scream about it everytime I post on the subject.
This is the FIRST time. Liar. As usual.
BTW, the Naga pops the Macks MUCH faster.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
296
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:40:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:Unfortunately, the KB just flipped over to February and doesn't like linking directly to Buck Futz's January's total. Its all there though. Tornados rip through Exhumers like a knife through butter.
Linking V lets you still see the last 10 kills.On 27-01 at 23:13 he seems to have killed three Mackinaws and a Bestower in one run. Only Mackinaws, not Hulks, but still a nice achievement.
EXACTLY.....and I scooped up the other Ice Harvesters and other mods from those other kills which made me the profit. Thanks for finding that.
They were in the other ship that got popped....just not on killmail as they didn't fire I guess, and were popped for being fleeted.....sometimes they don't show up on Killmails.
BTW, the killmail has vanished from Battleclinic...and the only one findable is in the Tear extraction KB.
AND...a cheetah had been scanning the belt 3 minutes before the gank...and was present in belt also when the gank happened.
Just slightly suspicious alterations here obviously.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
296
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:51:00 -
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Oh....and here is the mature mail you get from herr Wilkus afterwards. What a CHILD.
hahaha
From: Herr Wilkus
Sent: 2011.01.31 00:21
To: Infinitio Krystallos, Krixtal Icefluxor,
u got ganked hard. you suck ass. I might have to pay you additional visits in the future cause that was fun.
Just soooo......frightening.........NOT. ROFL
Was hilarious reading with suddenly 50,000,000 in Orca cargo I didn't have before.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:15:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:
You are the one that was obviously upset about it, as you scream about it everytime I post on the subject.
This is the FIRST time. Liar. As usual. BTW, the Naga pops the Macks MUCH faster.
Hmmm, lets see. Well, how about this thread, for starters? Posted 12.25.
I seem to recall others too, but can't be bothered to go looking for them. Either way, whoops, guess that makes YOU the liar.
Read post #20.
http://eve-search.com/thread/50426-1/page/1
As far as the other bullcrap you are posting, no there were no other ganks, just your Mackinaw.
Since you seem confused:
-Cheetah scanned you, then cloaked 15km away.
-Tempest warped to Cheetah.
-Tempest killed your Mackinaw.
-Tempest died, Cheetah salvaged and looted it, and would have looted the Mack, but your Orca already did that.
You lost a fully Fit Mack, and recovered some of your mods. As I said, good for you, but hardly profitable on your end.
There were no other Mackinaws to loot and salvage, as Tempests were not regularly able to pop more than one target at a time. Tornados, whether you accept it or not, can. |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:34:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:Hulks are a little tougher, but killing 3 per Tornado is not particularly difficult, especially if you know what their tank looks like.
This is UTTER BS. Show API verified kilmail or it's not real.......................... Oh, and YOU need better support after ganking my Mack last year and I was able to loot and salvage MY OWN MACK with Orca as they were way too slow or something.  I came out 5 Mill on the POSITIVE side after Insurance. BTW, the ONLY way you got me was hitting me while I was fighting rats and distracted. "Let's kill...even obvious Non-bots".
Cry moar minebear
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
148
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:55:00 -
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Lex Fasces wrote:so i see your tactics. you are using groups of 2 guns? or getting a second volley off with groups of 4. although in a 0.7 you probably wont get a second volley which means you are more liely to be going 4 groups of 2 guns. and you pop stuff at the same time meaning volleys off within 5 seconds of eachother.
question is:
how are you making money off this? a nado fit up like yours is costing around 70-80m.
if you only pop 3 then you are still gonna lose a lot of isk simply because t2 salvage isnt guaranteed...
we popped 5 macks yesterday and not a single one dropped t2 salvage. my alt has t1 salvagers with salvage 4 and 3 rigs on though. do you get an increased chance of t2 salvage by having level 5 and t2 salvagers? or does it just make it faster to get the chance...
I, indeed split my guns into two groups of 4x. That certainly helps. You can lock two targets, hit one, if it pops, just hit #2. Otherwise, the second group finishes of the first target.
Good way to set it up, because sometimes you manage 25-50% bonus damage due to hit quality and can occasionally kill even Hulks with just four guns.
That said....that is only half of the equation. There is more to it - the Tornado has other admirable traits, work on it, you'll figure it out. Just not interested in spelling it out - as CCP has methodically nerfed just about every other aspect of 'ninja salvaging/ganking' in recent months.
Yes, the Tornado fit costs about 70-80m.
However, you get half of the mods back. +20M.
Hulks and Macks generally drop between 5 and 10M in mods. +20M
T2 Salvage, while not guaranteed, often drops 20M Intact Plates.
There is also a circuit board worth around 4M/each.
Each Mack has a chance of dropping between 0 and 3. (+0 to +180M)
If you get 3 plates, you clear a pretty nice profit, and you could easily get more (or less) than that.
Point is, yes, the ganking itself is profitable.
I also threaten the miners, and many pay to be left alone. Raised about 3.2 Billion doing this in the last 3 weeks.
If they don't pay, you use a tracking agent/addressbook to find them and pop them again - and again. Makes for a nice laugh.
So,
A) inflict HUNDREDS of millions in ISK in disproportional damage on miners.
B) Get KMs - and pod KMs if the are AFK (or hit by a SB attack)
C) Earn ISK doing it? Sign me up.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2166
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:30:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:
You are the one that was obviously upset about it, as you scream about it everytime I post on the subject.
This is the FIRST time. Liar. As usual. BTW, the Naga pops the Macks MUCH faster.
only a ******* moron uses a naga to kill macks |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2166
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:29:00 -
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I think i puzzled out your other trick and it is extremely brilliant if it's what I think it is, thanks for this. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:53:00 -
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@Weaselior:
Yeah, I think most serious Hulk gankers should be able to figure it out - and I hope, take full advantage of it.
I want miners to burn brightly - especially after all the ****** up carebear-coddling mechanic changes lately.
Rather nice for us that Low Friction Nozzle Rigs are so cheap. I'm not sure CCP fully understood what they were doing when they put Tempest Alpha on a BC hull, and what that means for ganking.
It nicely balances out the 'insurance' nerf though.
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Mods Muvila
S0utherN Comfort
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:32:00 -
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Use a Velator:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14858034
You-áhilarious feathered creature. |
Dimitri Jackal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.03 01:02:00 -
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So, with regards to soloing hulks, macks, and ganks in general, I'm curious about the following scenario:
Lets say I find a friend/alt in a salvage boat to come along with me. First, I get in a noobship and shoot them, causing concord to come destroy my reaper (sad day). Now, I warp to a BM in the middle of nowhere, where I have left a Tornado fitted for ganking hulks.
Since I already have GCC, will concord destroy me if I board my new ship?
If not, will they be slower to respond when I start ganking if I ALREADY have GCC?
To recap, once in a pod, can I switch ships with global aggression, and will that help my gank/allow me to gank more ships before getting blown up again?
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
303
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Posted - 2012.02.03 01:33:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:
I want miners to burn brightly - especially after all the ****** up carebear-coddling mechanic changes lately.
Right. Like Tier 3 Cruisers. I am SOOOOOOO coddled.
B S
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Aggressive Nutmeg
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Posted - 2012.02.03 02:13:00 -
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Frillo Teslar wrote:Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:Aqriue wrote:**** miners, have NPC seed minerals at outragous prices to create a new isk sink and remove exhumers from game. Problem solved. No more lossing your expensive paper thin tank ships which the only reason to fly them is to act the part of a goat tied down to an asteroid field and just die (like that scene from Jurrasic Park), no more easier KM padding and you hurt their precious gamer score because they now have to play the game on more then Hello Kitty Mode for easy kills. I wasn't even aware that Hello Kitty *had* a PvP mode....let alone one where you could easily rampage through and slaughter other players on a whim..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dYI_S0vDU8Looks awesome...
Don't cancel your Eve subscription just yet. I hear WIS is not too far away.
Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
105
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Posted - 2012.02.03 02:15:00 -
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Damage received: 4,486
Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
151
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Posted - 2012.02.03 05:23:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:
I want miners to burn brightly - especially after all the ****** up carebear-coddling mechanic changes lately.
Right. Like Tier 3 Cruisers. I am SOOOOOOO coddled. B S
No, no. They are being coddled. Remember, I made up all those KMs. Thats your story right? You might as well stick to it.
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destiny2
Right Ascension
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Posted - 2012.02.03 06:03:00 -
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Use an alt With a ship scanner scan them see what their packing. run it thro eft check out it on all level V. skills see what lowest resist is. etc. and walla. |
Mods Muvila
S0utherN Comfort
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2012.02.03 17:58:00 -
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He had half armor when to started to shoot him. I guess he doesnt know how repairs work.
You-áhilarious feathered creature. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1418
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Posted - 2012.02.03 19:20:00 -
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Lost in Latari could be a wonderful follow-up to Lost in La Mancha.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Dimitri Jackal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.02.03 19:41:00 -
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Dimitri Jackal wrote:So, with regards to soloing hulks, macks, and ganks in general, I'm curious about the following scenario:
Lets say I find a friend/alt in a salvage boat to come along with me. First, I get in a noobship and shoot them, causing concord to come destroy my reaper (sad day). Now, I warp to a BM in the middle of nowhere, where I have left a Tornado fitted for ganking hulks.
Since I already have GCC, will concord destroy me if I board my new ship?
If not, will they be slower to respond when I start ganking if I ALREADY have GCC?
To recap, once in a pod, can I switch ships with global aggression, and will that help my gank/allow me to gank more ships before getting blown up again?
Ok, I ran the test - you CANNOT BOARD A SHIP if you have GCC. Damn. |
Ravenesa
The Bastards
The Bastards.
4
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Posted - 2012.02.03 21:57:00 -
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There is always the time tested DiscoPhoon for the idiots that group together. Of course you pop pods, sometimes wrecks, etc, but nothing blows your sec status away faster!! |
GreasyCarl Semah
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.02.03 22:37:00 -
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Am I the only one that finds it ironic that people criticize miners for doing something that makes little isk by engaging in an activity, IE ganking miners, that makes even less ISK per hour than the miners do? |
Harlot Hohannson
Eye on Wang Poo
31
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Posted - 2012.02.04 12:10:00 -
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somneone need to stop these hulk kills too easy and not very sporting |
Caldari Citizen 786478786
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2012.02.04 13:16:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Don't bother if they have 2 Meta (X) Invulns and 5 Shield Rep Drones buzzing about from the support Orca. ';;'
This actually applies to Macks as well, as 'someone' recently found out.
Shied repair drones are meaningless to an Alpha strike. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2182
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Posted - 2012.02.04 17:03:00 -
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GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Am I the only one that finds it ironic that people criticize miners for doing something that makes little isk by engaging in an activity, IE ganking miners, that makes even less ISK per hour than the miners do?
did you seriously just claim that isk/hour is what matters in ganking
this is why we murder you |
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