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ink haktek Clan Ice Raven Sons of Odin. 0	Posted - 2012.02.01 10:01:00 - [1] - Quote Have anyone ever done it ?How ?? :)
Istyn Tactical Knightmare 65	Posted - 2012.02.01 10:22:00 - [2] - Quote Shoot it with a Brutix or a Tornado.
Cannibal Kane Priest of New Eden Stay Calm Don't Panic 229	Posted - 2012.02.01 10:27:00 - [3] - Quote or a Thorax... "Demoralize the Enemy from within by Surprise, Terror, Sabotage, Assassination. This method of Guarilla Warfare is the only Method of Warfare for me"
ink haktek Clan Ice Raven Sons of Odin. 0	Posted - 2012.02.01 10:37:00 - [4] - Quote will it burn before konkord kill me ?
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 1391	Posted - 2012.02.01 11:00:00 - [5] - Quote Maybe. I'm on my phone but will type out some rough pointers. It helps if you scan your target and find those with weak tanks. Concord response time is slower in lower security. You have a far greater chance of success in 0.5 You could get started by taking out Mackinaws. Not only are their tanks weaker but by checking dotlan for ice belts they are easy to find. While you can do all this pure solo it helps to have a 2nd client for scouting, warp-ins and scooping loot/salvaging. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Dirk Magnum Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan 204	Posted - 2012.02.01 11:19:00 - [6] - Quote Hulks die by the thousands in high sec in this way. Amazingly, some will still rage about it, which ensures that the act never gets old. 1. Aim for at least 750 DPS (Brutix, Hurricane, Thorax.) I've never used an alpha ship (Tempest, Tornado) for this task so I don't know what kind of alpha you're going for. Overheat your guns. 2. The lower the sec status of the system, the better. CONCORD are slowest to arrive in 0.5 systems. If you use an alpha ship, this isn't important unless you fail to kill the target with the first volley. 3. Brutix has always been my choice for this. With level 5 battlecruiser and T1 medium blaster skills, you can pull off this operation for 25 million ISK or less. Before the removal of suicide gank insurance your total net loss could be as low as 5 mil. Of course, if you have an alt, you can loot and salvage both the Hulk wreck and your own, possibly resulting in a profit to yourself when all is said and done. 4. Don't fit anything that doesn't contribute to DPS and tackle. If you're in an alpha ship, you don't need tackle for this, but you might need tracking enhancement. 5. If possible, get a bookmark on something within optimal range of the target prior to warping in with your suicide gank ship. Half my suicide ganks have used this method, and the other half were with a ship fitted with a speed mod. What works or doesn't really just depends on how attentive the target is. If you have an alt, just fleet with your main to provide a warp-in. edit: I've never ship-scanned any of the Hulks I've killed. I've only been successfully tanked by a Hulk on two or three occasions, or less than 10% of the times I've done this. It is possible to suicide gank a Hulk in as high as 0.8 space with a DPS Brutix, max-skilled and hardwired for 5% medium blaster + 3% omni-turret damage before CONCORD arrives, if their tank sucks. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 294	Posted - 2012.02.01 11:39:00 - [7] - Quote Don't bother if they have 2 Meta (X) Invulns and 5 Shield Rep Drones buzzing about from the support Orca. ';;' This actually applies to Macks as well, as 'someone' recently found out. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 148	Posted - 2012.02.01 11:40:00 - [8] - Quote You don't have to take a loss. You can actually do this stuff profitably - without getting insurance. I don't think CCP has quite realized the full ganking potential of the Tornado - or just how insanely destructive it is. FAR better than the old Tempests, and not just because they fit inside an Orca. Its like they are trolling miners or something. Brutixes kind of suck because you can only realistically kill one target at a time. Thoraxes, same, but at least the are cheaper. Use the Tornado and kill at least 2 or 3 Mackinaws on each run, and earn some ISK. Kill 4 or more and make a lot of ISK. (provided you are able to loot and salvage effectively.) Hulks are a little tougher, but killing 3 per Tornado is not particularly difficult, especially if you know what their tank looks like. Oh, you can easily do this in crowded 0.7 ice belts. In theory, things could get pretty ugly in 0.5. You could probably manage to kill 6+ per Tornado there, but finding enough targets can be difficult....
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 294	Posted - 2012.02.01 11:42:00 - [9] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Hulks are a little tougher, but killing 3 per Tornado is not particularly difficult, especially if you know what their tank looks like. This is UTTER BS. Show API verified kilmail or it's not real.......................... Oh, and YOU need better support after ganking my Mack last year and I was able to loot and salvage MY OWN MACK with Orca as they were way too slow or something. I came out 5 Mill on the POSITIVE side after Insurance. BTW, the ONLY way you got me was hitting me while I was fighting rats and distracted. "Let's kill...even obvious Non-bots". OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Xenuria Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet 161	Posted - 2012.02.01 11:58:00 - [10] - Quote ink haktek wrote: Have anyone ever done it ?How ?? :) Spank blew up my Hulk but he needed the help of 3 other people to do it... inb4 Spank bans me from every ingame channel he has mod too. Oh wait spank already did that when I pointed out he cant run for CSM. Xenuria for CSM

Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 148	Posted - 2012.02.01 12:15:00 - [11] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Herr Wilkus wrote: Hulks are a little tougher, but killing 3 per Tornado is not particularly difficult, especially if you know what their tank looks like. This is UTTER BS. Show API verified kilmail or it's not real.......................... Oh, and YOU need better support after ganking my Mack last year and I was able to loot and salvage MY OWN MACK with Orca as they were way too slow or something. I came out 5 Mill on the POSITIVE side after Insurance. BTW, the ONLY way you got me was hitting me while I was fighting rats and distracted. "Let's kill...even obvious Non-bots". Boy, you really bent over something that happened a long-ass time ago. a) not so difficult to loot your own Mack when the Orca is sitting right there. b) I recovered my own Tempest wreck, you don't have to lie about it again to make yourself feel better. c) coming out positive? nice try, nobody is going to believe that. Macks are expensive and have Retriever insurance. But thats all ancient history, back in the sucky, one kill at a time, insured-Tempest era. Oh, but if you don't think a Tornado can't wrack up multiple kills, you are an idiot. Buck Futz for month of January: http://y0ink.us/killboard/?a=home&y=2012&m=1 Thats nearly 40 Billion in damage in about a month of on and off ganking. Only a few Typhoon SB and dessie kills mixed in, the vast majority are Tornado kills, generally in 0.7, and generally at a rate of between 2 and 3 Exhumers per Tornado. (I've gotten better as I've improved my tactics - also, Gallente ice belts have tanked Exhumers due to the recent Goon interdiction - I'm sure I could post an even better ratio in Caldari space. DAAAMMMMMN.......look at how stupid you are now, Krixtal Icefluxor.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 294	Posted - 2012.02.01 12:18:00 - [12] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: DAAAMMMMMN.......look at how ENLIGHTENED you are now, Krixtal Icefluxor. Fixed. And I still see no killmail of a multi-kill Tornado. AND...the reason I came out positive is I SALVAGED AND LOOTED THE TWO SHIPS RESPONSIBLE AS WELL. sheesh. And YES....it was significant, as that was the first gank in a long time.............and the LAST time I got ganked outside of War Dec. You guys will never accept that that playstyle is shi* and chases off noobs. WHATever. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 148	Posted - 2012.02.01 12:41:00 - [13] - Quote Unfortunately, the KB just flipped over to February and doesn't like linking directly to Buck Futz's January's total. Its all there though. Tornados rip through Exhumers like a knife through butter. And like I said, when I ganked you over a year ago -you obviously don't know what you are talking about. You were killed by a solo-Tempest, which I salvaged and looted after it was Concorded. There were no 'other' ships involved - thats what a 'solo gank' means. Thus you couldn't have possibly come out positive and are making things up to make yourself feel better. Kind of sad, considering you were ganked. You managed to scoop and salvage your own Mackinaw. Good for you - not too difficult since your Orca was literally right there, and the salvager was over 15km away (busy looting the Tempest after providing a warp-in point). Your story simply doesn't hold water. Nice try though.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 294	Posted - 2012.02.01 12:43:00 - [14] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Unfortunately, the KB just flipped over to February and doesn't like linking directly to Buck Futz's January's total. Its all there though. Tornados rip through Exhumers like a knife through butter. And like I said, when I ganked you over a year ago -you obviously don't know what you are talking about. You were killed by a solo-Tempest, which I salvaged and looted after it was Concorded. There were no 'other' ships involved - thats what a 'solo gank' means. Thus you couldn't have possibly come out positive and are making things up to make yourself feel better. Kind of sad, considering you were ganked. You managed to scoop and salvage your own Mackinaw. Good for you - not too difficult since your Orca was literally right there, and the salvager was over 15km away (busy looting the Tempest after providing a warp-in point). Your story simply doesn't hold water. Nice try though. I just imagined the other two ships. WHAT ever. Man these forums are crap most of the time. And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ???? OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 148	Posted - 2012.02.01 12:57:00 - [15] - Quote You must have been ganked by someone else then, and you are barking up the wrong tree, because ALL my kills were solo. You don't use two Tempests to kill a Mack. Come on, use your brain. One Tempest is enough. You are the one that was obviously upset about it, as you scream about it everytime I post on the subject. On the other hand, you are literally one of several hundred faceless Exhumers I've ganked. I don't really have any reason to lie about it. Killing Exhumers is now quite profitable. More people should do it. They just need to learn how to use Tornados to their fullest potential. Kill 1 Mack with a T2 Tornado, you take a small loss. Kill 2, you make a small profit. Kill 3 or more and you are making some real ISK. You can deny it all you want, but the KB is solid. Its quite easy to pick out strings of chain-killed Exhumers. Funny how full of crap you are. You should stay out of these ganking threads, you really don't know what you are talking about. I think the only advice you could possibly contribute is how to fail-tank a Mackinaw. But if more miners tanked as badly as you did, it would make my job a lot easier. All I was trying to explain was that the Brutix is effectively obsolete for ganking because you only can get a 1:1 kill ratio at best. And if 1 for 1 makes you happy, you can solo Macks much cheaper in a T2 Blaster Catalyst. Tornados allow much greater rates of return on your ganking dollar, far better at it than the Tempest ever was - and far better at killing Exhumers than the Talos will ever be. EDIT: You know what? Don't believe me. My guess is that if you understood the full extent of the ganking potential of the Tornado, you'd be the first one crying to CCP for more Concord buffs and Tornado/arty nerfs. Last thing we need around here is more carebear Waahmbulances screaming for more protection.
Keltaris Cesaille Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2012.02.01 13:30:00 - [16] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ???? No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default
Tikera Tissant 18	Posted - 2012.02.01 13:49:00 - [17] - Quote It really depends on the fittings of the hulk. A lone cargo hulk without a tank, will have crap EHP, around the 10K or lower, so you can easily solo it with a BC like said earlier, even without max skills or 750 dps. A decent tanking hulk, but still max cargo setup, will have about 15K EHP, which means he will give you a tight time if you are in 0.7 or above. A max gathering setup (not cargo), will have pressed with cpu and power, so he will only have about 14K EHP max. A smart hulkaggedon hulk, with support, will have almost 25K EHP, which means you are lucking and in 0.5, you will not be able to kill him without blowing up. So basically, determine your dps output, the system you plan on going to, and good luck. Quote: No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default I don't agree. Well miners are basically the ones who just don't know better, just plain bored, or botting.
StonerPhReaK Nasgul Collective Cascade Imminent 23	Posted - 2012.02.01 14:14:00 - [18] - Quote Does anyone else read posts,And when PEOPLE type certain words IN CAPS they would like to STRESS,You READ the WORDS in your HEAD loudly.I do..And i giggle at myself errytime.
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 175	Posted - 2012.02.01 14:20:00 - [19] - Quote Tikera Tissant wrote: It really depends on the fittings of the hulk. A smart hulkaggedon hulk, with support, will have almost 25K EHP, which means you are lucking and in 0.5, you will not be able to kill him without blowing up. A hulk can pull off more than 25K EHP if it is in fleet with a well-trained Orca pilot providing boosts from the following modules: Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense Siege Warfare Link - Shield Hormonizing Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvering That's not taking overheat into account.
Cebraio Starfire Oasis 1	Posted - 2012.02.01 14:38:00 - [20] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Unfortunately, the KB just flipped over to February and doesn't like linking directly to Buck Futz's January's total. Its all there though. Tornados rip through Exhumers like a knife through butter. Linking V lets you still see the last 10 kills. On 27-01 at 23:13 he seems to have killed three Mackinaws and a Bestower in one run. Only Mackinaws, not Hulks, but still a nice achievement.

Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 1391	Posted - 2012.02.01 15:02:00 - [21] - Quote Xenuria wrote: Spank blew up my Hulk but he needed the help of 3 other people to do it... inb4 Spank bans me from every ingame channel he has mod too. Oh wait spank already did that when I pointed out he cant run for CSM. 1. Boo hoo. 2. Cry more. 3. I am perfectly eligible to run for CSM but have expressed zero interest in doing so. Even so, I have recieved infinitely more pledges for votes than you have with all your pathetic cross posting and embarrasing tryhard videos you make about it. 4. You were banned for being nauseatingly stalkerish and not contributing anything else of worth to the channel. Feel free to **** up any other channel you like. 5. This is the last time I will speak with you and I suggest you get over your unhealthy obsessions. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
FloppieTheBanjoClown Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 805	Posted - 2012.02.01 15:03:00 - [22] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: if they have 2 Meta (X) Invulns and 5 Shield Rep Drones buzzing about from the support Orca, you'll need to bring more firepower and demonstrate the futility of their efforts. Fixed that for ya.
Tenris Anis Schattenengel Clan 23	Posted - 2012.02.01 15:22:00 - [23] - Quote Keltaris Cesaille wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ???? No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default aye, though their gankers seem to suffer from the same problem. " Kill 3 or more and you are making some real ISK.", sounds just so ... miner like.
Tikera Tissant 18	Posted - 2012.02.01 17:12:00 - [24] - Quote Henry Haphorn wrote: Tikera Tissant wrote: It really depends on the fittings of the hulk. A smart hulkaggedon hulk, with support, will have almost 25K EHP, which means you are lucking and in 0.5, you will not be able to kill him without blowing up. A hulk can pull off more than 25K EHP if it is in fleet with a well-trained Orca pilot providing boosts from the following modules: Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense Siege Warfare Link - Shield Hormonizing Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvering That's not taking overheat into account. I know. But 99.9% of the mining ops fleet will not use all of these modules. They will use either all the mining modules from a single orca, or the two major ones and a tractor beam. That is why 25K is the most of the time the max you will see on a hulk, unless its low sec/null or a very big ops, in which case they might also have extra help. But still most miners won't max out the skills to get that much EHP anyway as far as I have seen.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 294	Posted - 2012.02.01 20:24:00 - [25] - Quote Keltaris Cesaille wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ???? No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default That mindset is THE major issue ingame. Not mining, not ganking, not PvP. That MINDSET. It's the same as people who kill innocent civilians during wartime. No difference. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 294	Posted - 2012.02.01 20:25:00 - [26] - Quote Of course....if they come with a Typhoon fitted with 8 smartbombs or whatnot....all bets are off ! OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium The Forsaken. 46	Posted - 2012.02.01 20:38:00 - [27] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Keltaris Cesaille wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ???? No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default That mindset is THE major issue ingame. Not mining, not ganking, not PvP. That MINDSET. It's the same as people who kill innocent civilians during wartime. No difference. Well, you see.. One of them is in a video game about spaceships, the other is real life. I'd ask you to stop being an idiot, but seeing as you think mining in high sec is a profitable activity... Probably not a good call. Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2153	Posted - 2012.02.01 21:03:00 - [28] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Don't bother if they have 2 Meta (X) Invulns and 5 Shield Rep Drones buzzing about from the support Orca. ';;' This actually applies to Macks as well, as 'someone' recently found out. these are the best kills because one shot from a tornado oughta do it and then since they thought they were safe they're furious
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2153	Posted - 2012.02.01 21:05:00 - [29] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Keltaris Cesaille wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ???? No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default That mindset is THE major issue ingame. Not mining, not ganking, not PvP. That MINDSET. It's the same as people who kill innocent civilians during wartime. No difference. i'm a war criminal irl
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 454	Posted - 2012.02.01 21:41:00 - [30] - Quote **** miners, have NPC seed minerals at outragous prices to create a new isk sink and remove exhumers from game. Problem solved. No more lossing your expensive paper thin tank ships which the only reason to fly them is to act the part of a goat tied down to an asteroid field and just die (like that scene from Jurrasic Park), no more easier KM padding and you hurt their precious gamer score because they now have to play the game on more then Hello Kitty Mode for easy kills.



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