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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2004.03.07 17:10:00 -
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Whice u think is best and why ? 
Iam the proud owner of a Tempest right now .D but has fallen in luv with the blaster setup on a mega ? what u guys think ?
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Stue
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Posted - 2004.03.07 17:20:00 -
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A megatron owns everything in 1on1 except maybe another megatron.
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.03.07 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Isiana on 07/03/2004 17:29:09
it wont own anything with ECM
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.03.07 17:30:00 -
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wonder who would win, tempest with 800 mm's vs a blasterthon 
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.03.07 17:44:00 -
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wonder who would win, tempest with 800 mm's vs a blasterthon
I suppose both can win depending on setups. I haven't lost to a tempest on chaos yet (except for the one that started at 72km  ), 800mm ships included.
I'm sure it's possible to get a pretty nice setup with them, though.
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2004.03.07 17:46:00 -
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800 mm has a lover dmg mod :) but takes almost no CAP :D
Centuria > whoot?
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Lurk
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Posted - 2004.03.07 17:57:00 -
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Don't forget the Tempest gets also a +RoF bonus, that might compensate the lower damage mod.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.03.07 18:02:00 -
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Don't forget the Tempest gets also a +RoF bonus, that might compensate the lower damage mod.
No, they are nowhere close to the blasters when it comes to damage. About the same RoF but more than 35% lower damage mod. The tempest bonus doesn't make up for it.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.03.07 18:08:00 -
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Tempest is a more well rounded ship with better defenses so it has a shot at winning with 800mm.
Plus no cap on your weapons is more power for defenses.
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2004.03.07 18:18:00 -
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damn i just tested 1 800... the dmg is kinda sucky
Centuria > whoot?
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2004.03.07 18:28:00 -
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Try again with 6.
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2004.03.07 18:44:00 -
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Try again with 6.
will do 
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.03.07 19:30:00 -
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Try again with 6.
will do
I tried a 6 800mm setup for npc hunting. It was able to eat cruisers rapidly - lots of damage in a short time - but chewed ammo very rapidly. Wasn't an efficient npc hunting setup due to the ammount of ammo necessary.
I can see an 800mm tempest gunship as being a viable close range combat vessel with appropriate tanking - limited cap use of the guns allows for more cap for other defensive mods (hardeners, shield boost, armor repairer etc)
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Iznogud
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Posted - 2004.03.07 22:44:00 -
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Dual 425 scouts 2nd to none in close range combat Basta !
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.03.07 23:06:00 -
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since when did projs use cap? second of all they use all about the saem because 800 have a faster rof but use less overall its like the same. like 12 energy a minute! oh lawd!
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.03.08 03:34:00 -
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6 of 800mms sounds impressive, but 6 of anything all do extremely well, e.g. like 6 (or 7) Megapulse on an Armaggedon. The point is, with 6 800mm, would you like to face something with 6 or even 7 Neutron Blasters?
I would personally prefer the Megathron for one on one battles, but the person asking the question should ask himself first, what type of battles are he most likely to face? If one on one engagement as are going to be more common, the Megathron may be just the thing. But if fleet style engagments are to be expected, the Tempest is a much better firepower support ship, where you can expect to bombard your enemies from a distance.
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Dirus
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Posted - 2004.03.08 03:43:00 -
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Projectiles do about half the damage compared to Blasters. Blaster are THE most powerful weapons ingame. Only easy way to really beat a blaster-megathron is to get over 20km away from it, or just use EW against it.
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Jadran
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Posted - 2004.03.08 06:46:00 -
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Or, my favorite, is to take my tempest with 4x 1400mm and 2x 1200mm and blast away while laughing at the blaster equipped mega trying to survive my 65k range long enough to get within my tracking range :)
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.03.08 06:49:00 -
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Or, my favorite, is to take my tempest with 4x 1400mm and 2x 1200mm and blast away while laughing at the blaster equipped mega trying to survive my 65k range long enough to get within my tracking range :)
Then the Megathron pilot you're fighting against is an idiot. You don't try and clear 65km in a blaster thron while under fire. Smarter to simply bookmark, warp past your opponent somewhere, and warp back at 60km, and drop right on top of them.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.03.08 07:10:00 -
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Or, my favorite, is to take my tempest with 4x 1400mm and 2x 1200mm and blast away while laughing at the blaster equipped mega trying to survive my 65k range long enough to get within my tracking range :)
Then the Megathron pilot you're fighting against is an idiot. You don't try and clear 65km in a blaster thron while under fire. Smarter to simply bookmark, warp past your opponent somewhere, and warp back at 60km, and drop right on top of them.
Exactly. You might win a few times, but starting at 60+ km, probably not (unless your enemy kinda... sucks  ). If you're in a blaster-equipped ship and someone at that range attacks, you don't start MWDing there, peroid.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.08 08:03:00 -
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i dont know abaut megatron, but my typhoon owns
i was atakking in jel abaut 5 cruisers and there were 1 megatron parkked and shoting at me
well i just guzzled araund in typhoon taking out cruisers and leaving megatron alone
i had MWD and it had MWD but guess whois faster 
1 0n 1 my typhoon whuld eat blaster tron because blaster tron cant get in range
i dont realy like Tempest Because it got suckky CPU 
and i usualy use wery exotik setups what take more CPU than powergrid
also, Typhoon is fastest BS there is
and whit 4 launchers and 4 guns it got the firepower to take it target down
Message of my post: Try typhoon 
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.08 08:04:00 -
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Or, my favorite, is to take my tempest with 4x 1400mm and 2x 1200mm and blast away while laughing at the blaster equipped mega trying to survive my 65k range long enough to get within my tracking range :)
Then the Megathron pilot you're fighting against is an idiot. You don't try and clear 65km in a blaster thron while under fire. Smarter to simply bookmark, warp past your opponent somewhere, and warp back at 60km, and drop right on top of them.
Exactly. You might win a few times, but starting at 60+ km, probably not (unless your enemy kinda... sucks ). If you're in a blaster-equipped ship and someone at that range attacks, you don't start MWDing there, peroid.
i whuld start MWD there
i got 6400 exstra capasitor in my cargo
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Sniperpirate
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Posted - 2004.03.08 08:11:00 -
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no way...armor tank tempest can take down a baster mega...both starting at 20kms
a raven can take down a blaster mega @ 20kms no ew....but its just a lil harder
it all depends how the ship is setup and who is the pilot.
and if u guys in megas think that it cant be tru..very well just come on to choas and ill give u nightmares hehehehe
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.03.08 08:36:00 -
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Or, my favorite, is to take my tempest with 4x 1400mm and 2x 1200mm and blast away while laughing at the blaster equipped mega trying to survive my 65k range long enough to get within my tracking range :)
Then the Megathron pilot you're fighting against is an idiot. You don't try and clear 65km in a blaster thron while under fire. Smarter to simply bookmark, warp past your opponent somewhere, and warp back at 60km, and drop right on top of them.
Exactly. You might win a few times, but starting at 60+ km, probably not (unless your enemy kinda... sucks ). If you're in a blaster-equipped ship and someone at that range attacks, you don't start MWDing there, peroid.
i whuld start MWD there
i got 6400 exstra capasitor in my cargo
It's not about cap in that situation Siddy.
It's about the Tempest having blasted the megathron to bits by the time it get close enough. So unless you equip two MWD's the extra cap will not help in that situation.
And about you typhoon winning from a megathron due to it's speed. Any smart pilot observing you being faster would just warp. The essenco of the blaster mega is to get close fast, web and /or scramble and pound to kingdom come.
As soon as the getting close, webbyfying/scrambling or pounding part is out of the window. The blasterthron should warp.
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Polux
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Posted - 2004.03.08 09:27:00 -
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I dueld my friend in his Tempest and I in my Megathron. His 1400mm where doing 300+ at 5km and my crappy blasters where doing cruiser dmg around 50. I know I had sucky blasters at the moment and the day after I had reconfigured the ship for 300+ dmg at short range. Theys ships are both outstanding when it comes to killing.
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Dreez
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Posted - 2004.03.08 12:34:00 -
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Tempest beats all battleships 1on1 IF you exclude
using any ECM because they can focus all their cap
on their shilds.
A Tempest setup for closerange will kill a blaster Megatron
easy just because of that. The Megathron needs to spend the
cap on both guns and shilds, and blasters suck the cap
pretty fast with their RoF.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.03.08 12:51:00 -
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Tempest beats all battleships 1on1 IF you exclude
using any ECM because they can focus all their cap
on their shilds.
A Tempest setup for closerange will kill a blaster Megatron
easy just because of that. The Megathron needs to spend the
cap on both guns and shilds, and blasters suck the cap
pretty fast with their RoF.
Sure you can focus all your cap to your shields. Cap is not the issue though. Shield hit points recharge per second is.
Tempest can't win Vs Megathron by shield tanking. It can win by out manuevering. Use slightly less range decreasing ammo than EMP, take advantage of the extra falloff and the better speed and focus your cap on MWD instead of shields.
If you manage to stay at a desired range you 'll either run the Thron out of cap, as it tried to keep up with you, or deal better damage than it does, as it fires at maximum falloff.
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Gween
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Posted - 2004.03.08 14:05:00 -
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Tempest beats all battleships 1on1 IF you exclude
using any ECM because they can focus all their cap
on their shilds.
A Tempest setup for closerange will kill a blaster Megatron
easy just because of that. The Megathron needs to spend the
cap on both guns and shilds, and blasters suck the cap
pretty fast with their RoF.
Sure you can focus all your cap to your shields. Cap is not the issue though. Shield hit points recharge per second is.
Tempest can't win Vs Megathron by shield tanking. It can win by out manuevering. Use slightly less range decreasing ammo than EMP, take advantage of the extra falloff and the better speed and focus your cap on MWD instead of shields.
If you manage to stay at a desired range you 'll either run the Thron out of cap, as it tried to keep up with you, or deal better damage than it does, as it fires at maximum falloff.
Tempest shield (base): 4450 @ 2000s
Megathron shield (base): 3975 @ 2000s
Tempest has more shields.
Tempest cap (base): 4250 @ 923.9s
Megathron cap (base): 4500 @ 923.9s
Megathron has more cap.
BUT:
Tempest can use near all cap for shield replenishing and it has 5 Medium slots.
Now show me your point again.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.03.08 15:38:00 -
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Tempest can use near all cap for shield replenishing and it has 5 Medium slots.
Cap means nothing if your shield recharging can't keep up with the damage being dealt.
That is my point.
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Dreez
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Posted - 2004.03.09 17:23:00 -
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Cap means nothing if your shield recharging can't keep up with the damage being dealt.
OK, an innocent question: R u a n00b ?
Who gives a damn about Shield-recharge, it has NEVER been
able to keep up with the kind of fire that Battleships
can dish out, not matter what setup you have !
Shieldboost... yes, Shieldrecharge... NO.
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2004.03.09 19:14:00 -
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Dreez i think it was pretty obvious what he was trying to say.
I agree with him. Last time i met a 'Pest at 20km range in my Blasterthron he got me to half shields before dying. It was a RONA guy and i don't consider it likely he was and "idiot" or a "noob".
Some blasterthron pilots like a cap booster, not myself, but it does eliminate a lot of the cap problems.
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Slayer Ceetesh
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Posted - 2004.03.10 02:41:00 -
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But what happens if there is a warp scrambler in the Area the mega wont be able to get close
just thought I would thow that scenario in there also might just change the playing field
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2004.03.10 07:59:00 -
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I think it's possible you mean web scrambler, but yes they can be a problem. However most blasterthrons equip a web as well. So if you web me i web you back and i still end up able to close on you.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.03.10 08:09:00 -
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Cap means nothing if your shield recharging can't keep up with the damage being dealt.
OK, an innocent question: R u a n00b ?
Who gives a damn about Shield-recharge, it has NEVER been
able to keep up with the kind of fire that Battleships
can dish out, not matter what setup you have !
Shieldboost... yes, Shieldrecharge... NO.
Do you have reading comprehension problems? or are you just a n00b?
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.10 08:23:00 -
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Megatron can launch all his drones and lagg tempest out = Wicktory
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Ruffles
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Posted - 2004.03.10 11:40:00 -
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It is impossible to account for all situations, as in equally as many situation a blasterthron will not fair well.
Fleet long ranged fights with no warp-to able target behind the enemy fleet, warp disruptors active, etc.
Likewise landing 15km from an enemy both at the same jumpgate is a massive advantage to the blasterthron.
Be smart, don't only consider the megathron a blaster ship.
Fit your ship to suit the situation, there is no way in hell one loadout will work all the time. Carry spares equipment if there are friendly stations in the area you refit at, as different situations will pose different problems.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.03.10 11:42:00 -
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Siddy man, get a clue
You do have that point going for you tho. Remember the droneses on the megathron. A mega pilot is more probable to have good droneskills since not all pilots bother with them at all.
And what was meant earlier is that a shieltanked tem,pest cant boost fast enough to hold up against 6 blaster cannons. Neither could the mega hold up against 6 1400mm's, but once it gets close and stays there (talking 2 km not 5 km here) that wont matter too much for the mega.
Anyway, as i said before, as soon as the mega cant close up, keep the target close, or deal damage effectively, it should warp instead og being killed.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.10 12:04:00 -
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Siddy man, get a clue
You do have that point going for you tho. Remember the droneses on the megathron. A mega pilot is more probable to have good droneskills since not all pilots bother with them at all.
And what was meant earlier is that a shieltanked tem,pest cant boost fast enough to hold up against 6 blaster cannons. Neither could the mega hold up against 6 1400mm's, but once it gets close and stays there (talking 2 km not 5 km here) that wont matter too much for the mega.
Anyway, as i said before, as soon as the mega cant close up, keep the target close, or deal damage effectively, it should warp instead og being killed.
i was w00ping Megatron in typhoon ... then the git launched all his drones and i got dropped out - conection betvean server and machine failed
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.03.10 17:34:00 -
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Tempest beats all battleships 1on1 IF you exclude
using any ECM because they can focus all their cap
on their shilds.
A Tempest setup for closerange will kill a blaster Megatron
easy just because of that. The Megathron needs to spend the
cap on both guns and shilds, and blasters suck the cap
pretty fast with their RoF.
Wrong. Tempests really arent a great 1v1 ship.
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Jadran
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Posted - 2004.03.11 06:47:00 -
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I had my tempest for a good 4 - 5 months before warping into a batch of NPC rats in fountain and getting destroyed. In the time that I had my first tempest, I have gone up against players and rats in everything from frigates to lvl 2 battleships and always managed to, if not win, at least survive. The main things that the tempest has going for it are speed and shielding ... With shield management lvl 5, it is very very rare that anything manages to get through to my armor. Add to that the fact that for close range 'blaster' type combat, 6x prototype 425mm autocannon can shred anything in seconds (assuming you can keep the ammo coming in) and leave your entire cap for maneuvering / shield boosting ... well, do the math :) Same thing with a 4x 1400 + 2x 1200 ... so long as I can stay outside of your range i will win. get within my range and i'll die quickly, cause the big guns can't hit for **** <5-9k
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